The problem here has been identified by MaRo. They design these Bottom-Up, not Top-Down.
This is exactly why Ludevic ended up being disappointing. And now O-Kagachi.
No one is disappointed to see them on cards - the opposite in fact.
They need to stop designing these decks around mechanics and stop making them Bottom-Up. It's become apparent, as it should have always been, that Commander is dominated by Vorthos, and Timmys. We want cool accurate and flashy cards. Instead they're bending the lore to fit whatever mechanics they want to design around when in reality, they should start with the characters and give them appropriate effects and P/T.
It's really OKAY to have odd, non-conforming Top-Down designs here. Players take apart and change these decks. Stop designing them to be kept as some concise, mechanic-oriented builds and start giving us the accurate character cards we want. MAke them huge and flashy with high CMCs if you must. Make O-Kagachi cost 100 freaking CMC if you want. Just make it massive and stunning like he should be. Big flavorful spells are what Commander is all about.
For the 2 remaining I got angel/zombie/sliver/wizard/(warrier/knight/human)/spirit/goblin
For the unexspected one I got these eldrazi/snake/demon/werewolf/myr
Unfortunately, if they went dragons that means we probably got Angels, Demons, and Sphynx. We wont know until the real spoilers get released, though.
The most iconic tribes (the 5 higher than goblins/zombies/elfs) they're not necessary locks either, although why unfortunate these would be a dream a perfect demon and angel tribal leaders has ben requested for years. Kaalia just doesn't cut it.
But demons and angels did get a enormous possiblity though because iconic masters was a excuse for them not making and since these leaks are very very likely real that reason is now in the trash.
And yes sphinx could be the unexspected tribe but there are other popular choices for that one, plus they are only 40 sphinxes ever printed.
So likely for the exspected we got dragons/demons/angels (as a matter of fact kaalia was a very popular because of those 3 tribes working together.)
The unexspected could be sphinx/eldrazi/werewolf/snake/spirit
The only thing that gives me pause on angels is that two of the most popular ones that need to be put in there are both over 20 dollars. The next most popular ones are all close or at the 10 dollar mark.
I was seriously hoping for Faeries, zombies, etc that are generally fun, mid to high value tribes, but having dragons as one tribe sets the expectations on value the individual cards will hold. Checking out prices on the second hand market the highest costing dragon is Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon at 15 usd, which we didn't see in the spoilers, and Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund, followed closely behind by Balefire Dragon and Dragon Broodmother.
Comparing that to faeries...
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For the 2 remaining I got angel/zombie/sliver/wizard/(warrier/knight/human)/spirit/goblin
For the unexspected one I got these eldrazi/snake/demon/werewolf/myr
Unfortunately, if they went dragons that means we probably got Angels, Demons, and Sphynx. We wont know until the real spoilers get released, though.
The most iconic tribes (the 5 higher than goblins/zombies/elfs) they're not necessary locks either, although why unfortunate these would be a dream a perfect demon and angel tribal leaders has ben requested for years. Kaalia just doesn't cut it.
But demons and angels did get a enormous possiblity though because iconic masters was a excuse for them not making and since these leaks are very very likely real that reason is now in the trash.
And yes sphinx could be the unexspected tribe but there are other popular choices for that one, plus they are only 40 sphinxes ever printed.
So likely for the exspected we got dragons/demons/angels (as a matter of fact kaalia was a very popular because of those 3 tribes working together.)
The unexspected could be sphinx/eldrazi/werewolf/snake/spirit
The only thing that gives me pause on angels is that two of the most popular ones that need to be put in there are both over 20 dollars. The next most popular ones are all close or at the 10 dollar mark.
I was seriously hoping for Faeries, zombies, etc that are generally fun, mid to high value tribes, but having dragons as one tribe sets the expectations on value the individual cards will hold. Checking out prices on the second hand market the highest costing dragon is Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon at 15 usd, which we didn't see in the spoilers, and Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund, followed closely behind by Balefire Dragon and Dragon Broodmother.
Comparing that to faeries...
Iconic masters could deal with printing those important angels same can be said for those 4 dragons
And demons they can do any demon from the 95 they are all not even above $10
And hey those tribes are popular and interesting so makes sense demons and angels would get 2 from the remaining 3
But hard to believe sphinx would get the unexspected slot.
For the 2 remaining I got angel/zombie/sliver/wizard/(warrier/knight/human)/spirit/goblin
For the unexspected one I got these eldrazi/snake/demon/werewolf/myr
Unfortunately, if they went dragons that means we probably got Angels, Demons, and Sphynx. We wont know until the real spoilers get released, though.
The most iconic tribes (the 5 higher than goblins/zombies/elfs) they're not necessary locks either, although why unfortunate these would be a dream a perfect demon and angel tribal leaders has ben requested for years. Kaalia just doesn't cut it.
But demons and angels did get a enormous possiblity though because iconic masters was a excuse for them not making and since these leaks are very very likely real that reason is now in the trash.
And yes sphinx could be the unexspected tribe but there are other popular choices for that one, plus they are only 40 sphinxes ever printed.
So likely for the exspected we got dragons/demons/angels (as a matter of fact kaalia was a very popular because of those 3 tribes working together.)
The unexspected could be sphinx/eldrazi/werewolf/snake/spirit
The only thing that gives me pause on angels is that two of the most popular ones that need to be put in there are both over 20 dollars. The next most popular ones are all close or at the 10 dollar mark.
I was seriously hoping for Faeries, zombies, etc that are generally fun, mid to high value tribes, but having dragons as one tribe sets the expectations on value the individual cards will hold. Checking out prices on the second hand market the highest costing dragon is Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon at 15 usd, which we didn't see in the spoilers, and Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund, followed closely behind by Balefire Dragon and Dragon Broodmother.
Comparing that to faeries...
Iconic masters could deal with printing those important angels same can be said for those 4 dragons
And demons they can do any demon from the 95 they are all not even above $10
And hey those tribes are popular and interesting so makes sense demons and angels would get 2 from the remaining 3
But hard to believe sphinx would get the unexspected slot.
I think the remaining tribes sort of depend on how varied they want the play styles between the decks to be. Angels, Dragons, and Demons all would likely play similarly due to the high CMC on the tribal creatures, but if they go with Zombies as a midrange strategy, Goblins as a fast strategy, and maybe Wizards / faeries as the spell slinging tempo strategy that would provide more variety in the decks.
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At this point (and earlier too, but unspoken) I think that it is likely we will see four five-colored decks in this. Each tribe filling one of those roles (though I was hoping for dual tribal...but that was just me being greedy and wanting better chances at snakes and/or nagas which I don't think will be happening now).
I think we will get a WUBRG devoid Eldrazi commander
I think we will get some strange plays-well-with Slivers commander
And for the third, who knows? Maybe something expected (humans, allies, spirits) or maybe something completely random (scarecrows or myr maybe/please?)
At this point (and earlier too, but unspoken) I think that it is likely we will see four five-colored decks in this. Each tribe filling one of those roles (though I was hoping for dual tribal...but that was just me being greedy and wanting better chances at snakes and/or nagas which I don't think will be happening now).
I think we will get a WUBRG devoid Eldrazi commander
I think we will get some strange plays-well-with Slivers commander
And for the third, who knows? Maybe something expected (humans, allies, spirits) or maybe something completely random (scarecrows or myr maybe/please?)
But that is my current predictions.
Finally another person joins the boat of Eldrazi possiblity
And all of them 5-color is quite possible
Slivers will be a lock of this theory is correct
And as for the third one
angel
human
zombie(this has ben begged for from all the multicolor zombies)
spirit (O-Kagachi doesn't kick this tribe out for possible.)
hydra
Elemental (got another dragon why not elementals get the same treatment.)
The problem here has been identified by MaRo. They design these Bottom-Up, not Top-Down.
This is exactly why Ludevic ended up being disappointing. And now O-Kagachi.
No one is disappointed to see them on cards - the opposite in fact.
They need to stop designing these decks around mechanics and stop making them Bottom-Up. It's become apparent, as it should have always been, that Commander is dominated by Vorthos, and Timmys. We want cool accurate and flashy cards. Instead they're bending the lore to fit whatever mechanics they want to design around when in reality, they should start with the characters and give them appropriate effects and P/T.
It's really OKAY to have odd, non-conforming Top-Down designs here. Players take apart and change these decks. Stop designing them to be kept as some concise, mechanic-oriented builds and start giving us the accurate character cards we want. MAke them huge and flashy with high CMCs if you must. Make O-Kagachi cost 100 freaking CMC if you want. Just make it massive and stunning like he should be. Big flavorful spells are what Commander is all about.
The point of having alternate commanders is that they'll play differently though. At only 6/6 for 6 that makes O-Kagachi the rattlesnake commander rather than making it an easy commander killer if it had 7+ power. Ur Dragon likes to play dragon tribal and Ramos likes to play multicolor matters. Ur is going to go for the commander kill. It only works when dragons attack and it's a 10/10 flier but Ramos has the mana pulling it away from necessarily being a beatstick since if you go to combat, you're limited to instants and abilties if it gets in trouble. Now, it would work just fine if you swapped O-Kagachi and Ur but it's unfortunate that this deck is the only good way to do either of them due to being dead and 5 color. Now, yeah, ideally, O-Kagachi should be more powerful than Myojin of Life's Web since it's the greatest of the kami but good game play is something that often beats out flavor. I mean how are you going to realistically make multiple 10/10 fliers that aren't going to be primarily about pounding the hell out of someone? Other than its size, though, the card does fit decently. The card with the spirit exiles things and it fits with the revenge attacks of the Kami war. The ability wouldn't really work all that well if it could just as easily kill the player, though.
The problem here has been identified by MaRo. They design these Bottom-Up, not Top-Down.
This is exactly why Ludevic ended up being disappointing. And now O-Kagachi.
No one is disappointed to see them on cards - the opposite in fact.
They need to stop designing these decks around mechanics and stop making them Bottom-Up. It's become apparent, as it should have always been, that Commander is dominated by Vorthos, and Timmys. We want cool accurate and flashy cards. Instead they're bending the lore to fit whatever mechanics they want to design around when in reality, they should start with the characters and give them appropriate effects and P/T.
It's really OKAY to have odd, non-conforming Top-Down designs here. Players take apart and change these decks. Stop designing them to be kept as some concise, mechanic-oriented builds and start giving us the accurate character cards we want. MAke them huge and flashy with high CMCs if you must. Make O-Kagachi cost 100 freaking CMC if you want. Just make it massive and stunning like he should be. Big flavorful spells are what Commander is all about.
The point of having alternate commanders is that they'll play differently though. At only 6/6 for 6 that makes O-Kagachi the rattlesnake commander rather than making it an easy commander killer if it had 7+ power. Ur Dragon likes to play dragon tribal and Ramos likes to play multicolor matters. Ur is going to go for the commander kill. It only works when dragons attack and it's a 10/10 flier but Ramos has the mana pulling it away from necessarily being a beatstick since if you go to combat, you're limited to instants and abilties if it gets in trouble. Now, it would work just fine if you swapped O-Kagachi and Ur but it's unfortunate that this deck is the only good way to do either of them due to being dead and 5 color. Now, yeah, ideally, O-Kagachi should be more powerful than Myojin of Life's Web since it's the greatest of the kami but good game play is something that often beats out flavor. I mean how are you going to realistically make multiple 10/10 fliers that aren't going to be primarily about pounding the hell out of someone? Other than its size, though, the card does fit decently. The card with the spirit exiles things and it fits with the revenge attacks of the Kami war. The ability wouldn't really work all that well if it could just as easily kill the player, though.
Swapping Ur and O-Kagachi is an acceptable solution that I wish had been the case. Ur can retain his abilities. But really it's unacceptable that Ur would be the 10/10 here and not O-Kagachi. With a far more active rather than passive effect too… just upsetting. The big grand game-aweing moment should be casting something like O-Kagachi. A plane leader, a head legend, a major force and antagonist from the books. Who honestly figured some dragon would be equivalent to the oldest and most powerful divinity of an entire plane?
The problem here has been identified by MaRo. They design these Bottom-Up, not Top-Down.
This is exactly why Ludevic ended up being disappointing. And now O-Kagachi.
No one is disappointed to see them on cards - the opposite in fact.
They need to stop designing these decks around mechanics and stop making them Bottom-Up. It's become apparent, as it should have always been, that Commander is dominated by Vorthos, and Timmys. We want cool accurate and flashy cards. Instead they're bending the lore to fit whatever mechanics they want to design around when in reality, they should start with the characters and give them appropriate effects and P/T.
It's really OKAY to have odd, non-conforming Top-Down designs here. Players take apart and change these decks. Stop designing them to be kept as some concise, mechanic-oriented builds and start giving us the accurate character cards we want. MAke them huge and flashy with high CMCs if you must. Make O-Kagachi cost 100 freaking CMC if you want. Just make it massive and stunning like he should be. Big flavorful spells are what Commander is all about.
The point of having alternate commanders is that they'll play differently though. At only 6/6 for 6 that makes O-Kagachi the rattlesnake commander rather than making it an easy commander killer if it had 7+ power. Ur Dragon likes to play dragon tribal and Ramos likes to play multicolor matters. Ur is going to go for the commander kill. It only works when dragons attack and it's a 10/10 flier but Ramos has the mana pulling it away from necessarily being a beatstick since if you go to combat, you're limited to instants and abilties if it gets in trouble. Now, it would work just fine if you swapped O-Kagachi and Ur but it's unfortunate that this deck is the only good way to do either of them due to being dead and 5 color. Now, yeah, ideally, O-Kagachi should be more powerful than Myojin of Life's Web since it's the greatest of the kami but good game play is something that often beats out flavor. I mean how are you going to realistically make multiple 10/10 fliers that aren't going to be primarily about pounding the hell out of someone? Other than its size, though, the card does fit decently. The card with the spirit exiles things and it fits with the revenge attacks of the Kami war. The ability wouldn't really work all that well if it could just as easily kill the player, though.
Swapping Ur and O-Kagachi is an acceptable solution that I wish had been the case. Ur can retain his abilities. But really it's unacceptable that Ur would be the 10/10 here and not O-Kagachi. With a far more active rather than passive effect too… just upsetting. The big grand game-aweing moment should be casting something like O-Kagachi. A plane leader, a head legend, a major force and antagonist from the books. Who honestly figured some dragon would be equivalent to the oldest and most powerful divinity of an entire plane?
I think you misunderstand, Jenrik. The Ur-Dragon is not a "some dragon". It is literal embodiment of dragon nature, basically a manifestation of Multiverse-wide phenomenon. I think that even you will agree than a manifestation of all-universe principle is more than a manifestation of single plane worldsoul, moreover one forcibly diminished.
But yes, seeing O-Kagachi just as 6/6 is a head-scratcher. I would expect him to be at least on par with Progenitus, and definitely bigger than Yosei&Co.
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Also, if it's all 5 colors, then elves and goblins are right out. Zombies too, come to think of it. Perhaps they would be a subtheme like some speculation said, but given that dragons have no "class" but just a "race", it seems that speculation to that effect was not correct.
You'll have to explain why those tribes would be out of either the last two decks, the 3rd being the magical unknown one.
Also, if it's all 5 colors, then elves and goblins are right out. Zombies too, come to think of it. Perhaps they would be a subtheme like some speculation said, but given that dragons have no "class" but just a "race", it seems that speculation to that effect was not correct.
You'll have to explain why those tribes would be out of either the last two decks, the 3rd being the magical unknown one.
Now aware the missing colors
Elfs all we get too is UBG
Goblin simular problem BRG
Zombie is probably the only one that has a shot at this since everyone is begging for 5-color zombie support commander
As for the 5-color deck theory it's pretty good for two reasons
they said it's not color focused it might not be color focus because they have all the colors
the 2 other 5 color legend in dragons O-Kagachi and Ramoes are not tribal focused making several options for non tribal decks (Basicly maling some of the 5 color legends like progenitus with any option possible.)
Plus sliver are just to popular and interesting to throw out for this and a way to make slivers budget (a head start with mostly the budget slivers)
I'm still holding out for a strong faeries and wizards tribal deck. If not I may skip this coming commander set entirely and just go with anthologies. That or build my own tribal faeries.
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Zombie has 360 appearances and has appeared in all colors... 9 in white - this is up to date
Goblin has 310 appearances and has appeared in all colors...
Merfolk has 156 appearances and has appeared in all colors... 2 in red
Angel has 134 appearances and has appeared in all colors...
Elf has 318 appearances and has appeared in all colors...
Also, if it's all 5 colors, then elves and goblins are right out. Zombies too, come to think of it. Perhaps they would be a subtheme like some speculation said, but given that dragons have no "class" but just a "race", it seems that speculation to that effect was not correct.
You'll have to explain why those tribes would be out of either the last two decks, the 3rd being the magical unknown one.
Now aware the missing colors
Elfs all we get too is UBG
Goblin simular problem BRG
Zombie is probably the only one that has a shot at this since everyone is begging for 5-color zombie support commander
As for the 5-color deck theory it's pretty good for two reasons
they said it's not color focused it might not be color focus because they have all the colors
the 2 other 5 color legend in dragons O-Kagachi and Ramoes are not tribal focused making several options for non tribal decks (Basicly maling some of the 5 color legends like progenitus with any option possible.)
Plus sliver are just to popular and interesting to throw out for this and a way to make slivers budget (a head start with mostly the budget slivers)
Not only that...Elves and goblins are largely mono-colored. They have both touched on all colors, but are ...is there something above by and large...mono-green and mono-red, respectively. The same case can be made for zombies. They have appeared in most colors though there's just one mono-red zombie, Slavering Nulls and but one mono-green zombie, Ghoultree.)
Which are the tribes that span across all colors and do so regularly (as in have appeared most?)
These are all with 100+ appearances. Mind you, this list is outdated as it dates to KTK.
Human (1701 counts)
Spirit (399 counts)
Elemental (348 counts)
Dragon (155 counts)
Wall (hahaha) (110 counts)
Sliver (96 counts)
We already have dragons. That leaves 5 more types. I think we can safely assume walls will not be included, so then the question is...who else gets the axe?
Humans? Spirits? Elementals? Slivers? My money is on Elementals.
I can agree with that
But one mistake, there's one more tribe you forgot and this tribe is probably the unexspected slot.
And that's the eldrazis (I think a devoid 5-color will be a enormous curve ball to people's exspectations.)
The eldrazis have all the colors and devoid doesn't ruin there colorless thing and Eldrazi tribal is the 10th most built tribal on edhrec's tribal page and more than a handful of the used commanders are colored
And as for not being connected to the lore, simple the best we have is General Tazri saw the future of herself corrupted as a Eldrazi by Kozilek it was in the story. And plus the theory that there are more eldrazis than Ulamog, Kozilek, Emrakul, and three a devoid 5 color versions of the known 3 but tribal support versions.
Plus a lot of the dragons are lore characters. Ramos the Dragon Engine, O-Kagachi, Nekoru Queen, The Ur-Dragon, Taigam (not a dragon but still a lore character).
So we should also be considering with each potential tribe: What legend in the lore hasn't gotten a card.
If we are getting Angel Tribal, I want to see Feather!
And a Serra PW card that creates Angel tokens. Painted by Rebecca Guay.
And that's the eldrazis (I think a devoid 5-color will be a enormous curve ball to people's exspectations.)
The eldrazis have all the colors and devoid doesn't ruin there colorless thing and Eldrazi tribal is the 10th most built tribal on edhrec's tribal page and more than a handful of the used commanders are colored
My only issue is there wouldn't be a general for it. They've already done the eldrazi titans twice (one of which is banned in the format) so I'm not sure where the next legend lore-wise would come from. Unless they did some sort of a weird meld trilogy lol.
People hating on O-Kagachi are forgetting this is the version without his heart. If he had his heart he would be bigger and come into play with a divinity counter like a Kami, which would make him indestructible. Because his heart was taken out he became smaller, weaker and was ultimately defeated by Michiko Konda and his Daughter. So he is fair for the power level he is at now. With his heart he should have been printed much stronger, I agree.
People hating on O-Kagachi are forgetting this is the version without his heart. If he had his heart he would be bigger and come into play with a divinity counter like a Kami, which would make him indestructible. Because his heart was taken out he became smaller, weaker and was ultimately defeated by Michiko Konda and his Daughter. So he is fair for the power level he is at now. With his heart he should have been printed much stronger, I agree.
Yes totally agree with this
The only reason kagachi is that weak is because this is the version after the divinity thing was removed.
People hating on O-Kagachi are forgetting this is the version without his heart. If he had his heart he would be bigger and come into play with a divinity counter like a Kami, which would make him indestructible. Because his heart was taken out he became smaller, weaker and was ultimately defeated by Michiko Konda and his Daughter. So he is fair for the power level he is at now. With his heart he should have been printed much stronger, I agree.
I don't know anything about the Kamigawa block, so that was a really cool tidbit.
Plus a lot of the dragons are lore characters. Ramos the Dragon Engine, O-Kagachi, Nekoru Queen, The Ur-Dragon, Taigam (not a dragon but still a lore character).
So we should also be considering with each potential tribe: What legend in the lore hasn't gotten a card.
If we are getting Angel Tribal, I want to see Feather!
I would love to see an actual WB Version of Radiant, Archangel, considering she was being manipulated by the Phyrexian's and went a wee bit genocidal/crazy I think it would fit. Doesn't fit the "Who hasn't gotten a card" idea you mentioned but I feel like they missed a chance to make a really cool card for an interesting character because the Urza's Block didn't have multi-colored cards. Maybe they could even use the old art by Michael Sutfin that was done for the duelist magazine.
Not only that...Elves and goblins are largely mono-colored. They have both touched on all colors, but are ...is there something above by and large...mono-green and mono-red, respectively. The same case can be made for zombies. They have appeared in most colors though there's just one mono-red zombie, Slavering Nulls and but one mono-green zombie, Ghoultree.)
WotC refers to a common filler creature type as a Characteristic. From Mark Rosewater's article:
Characteristic—This is a term that refers to creatures that are representative of the smaller creatures usually found in common. It's in contrast to the larger creatures found at rare known as iconic creatures. The characteristic creatures currently, by color, are:
White—Humans
Blue—Merfolk
Black—Vampires and Zombies
Red—Goblins
Green—Elves
Characteristic creatures are not found in every block but are meant to exist more often than they do not.
i'm generally in agreement that o-kagachi is both boring and disappointing. here is a 'better' version i made.
Just to critique it, dragon tribal makes zero sense on O-Kagachi and spirit tribal makes no sense on a commander custom made for the dragon tribal deck. If you're bumping it to 8 mana, 9/9 flying, trample, "Whenever one or more creatures attacks you, exile target nonland permanent their controller controls." It has the same flavor as the card they printed.
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This is exactly why Ludevic ended up being disappointing. And now O-Kagachi.
No one is disappointed to see them on cards - the opposite in fact.
They need to stop designing these decks around mechanics and stop making them Bottom-Up. It's become apparent, as it should have always been, that Commander is dominated by Vorthos, and Timmys. We want cool accurate and flashy cards. Instead they're bending the lore to fit whatever mechanics they want to design around when in reality, they should start with the characters and give them appropriate effects and P/T.
It's really OKAY to have odd, non-conforming Top-Down designs here. Players take apart and change these decks. Stop designing them to be kept as some concise, mechanic-oriented builds and start giving us the accurate character cards we want. MAke them huge and flashy with high CMCs if you must. Make O-Kagachi cost 100 freaking CMC if you want. Just make it massive and stunning like he should be. Big flavorful spells are what Commander is all about.
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Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
The only thing that gives me pause on angels is that two of the most popular ones that need to be put in there are both over 20 dollars. The next most popular ones are all close or at the 10 dollar mark.
I was seriously hoping for Faeries, zombies, etc that are generally fun, mid to high value tribes, but having dragons as one tribe sets the expectations on value the individual cards will hold. Checking out prices on the second hand market the highest costing dragon is Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon at 15 usd, which we didn't see in the spoilers, and Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund, followed closely behind by Balefire Dragon and Dragon Broodmother.
Comparing that to faeries...
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Iconic masters could deal with printing those important angels same can be said for those 4 dragons
And demons they can do any demon from the 95 they are all not even above $10
And hey those tribes are popular and interesting so makes sense demons and angels would get 2 from the remaining 3
But hard to believe sphinx would get the unexspected slot.
I think the remaining tribes sort of depend on how varied they want the play styles between the decks to be. Angels, Dragons, and Demons all would likely play similarly due to the high CMC on the tribal creatures, but if they go with Zombies as a midrange strategy, Goblins as a fast strategy, and maybe Wizards / faeries as the spell slinging tempo strategy that would provide more variety in the decks.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
I think we will get a WUBRG devoid Eldrazi commander
I think we will get some strange plays-well-with Slivers commander
And for the third, who knows? Maybe something expected (humans, allies, spirits) or maybe something completely random (scarecrows or myr maybe/please?)
But that is my current predictions.
Finally another person joins the boat of Eldrazi possiblity
And all of them 5-color is quite possible
Slivers will be a lock of this theory is correct
And as for the third one
angel
human
zombie(this has ben begged for from all the multicolor zombies)
spirit (O-Kagachi doesn't kick this tribe out for possible.)
hydra
Elemental (got another dragon why not elementals get the same treatment.)
Take your pick.
|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
Goblin Green Acres
I think you misunderstand, Jenrik. The Ur-Dragon is not a "some dragon". It is literal embodiment of dragon nature, basically a manifestation of Multiverse-wide phenomenon. I think that even you will agree than a manifestation of all-universe principle is more than a manifestation of single plane worldsoul, moreover one forcibly diminished.
But yes, seeing O-Kagachi just as 6/6 is a head-scratcher. I would expect him to be at least on par with Progenitus, and definitely bigger than Yosei&Co.
Let this great clan rest in peace (2001-2011)
We are getting Tribal Wizards with the Numena (the wizards that took down the Primeval Dragons) as Commanders.
Dragons of Legend, Lead by Scion of the UR-Dragon
The Gitrog Monster
Gonti, Lord of Luxury
Shogun Saskia
Hive World
Atraxa hates fun
Abzan
You'll have to explain why those tribes would be out of either the last two decks, the 3rd being the magical unknown one.
Now aware the missing colors
Elfs all we get too is UBG
Goblin simular problem BRG
Zombie is probably the only one that has a shot at this since everyone is begging for 5-color zombie support commander
As for the 5-color deck theory it's pretty good for two reasons
Plus sliver are just to popular and interesting to throw out for this and a way to make slivers budget (a head start with mostly the budget slivers)
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Goblin has 310 appearances and has appeared in all colors...
Merfolk has 156 appearances and has appeared in all colors... 2 in red
Angel has 134 appearances and has appeared in all colors...
Elf has 318 appearances and has appeared in all colors...
I can agree with that
But one mistake, there's one more tribe you forgot and this tribe is probably the unexspected slot.
And that's the eldrazis (I think a devoid 5-color will be a enormous curve ball to people's exspectations.)
The eldrazis have all the colors and devoid doesn't ruin there colorless thing and Eldrazi tribal is the 10th most built tribal on edhrec's tribal page and more than a handful of the used commanders are colored
And as for not being connected to the lore, simple the best we have is General Tazri saw the future of herself corrupted as a Eldrazi by Kozilek it was in the story. And plus the theory that there are more eldrazis than Ulamog, Kozilek, Emrakul, and three a devoid 5 color versions of the known 3 but tribal support versions.
So spirit or humans will also get the axe.
My only issue is there wouldn't be a general for it. They've already done the eldrazi titans twice (one of which is banned in the format) so I'm not sure where the next legend lore-wise would come from. Unless they did some sort of a weird meld trilogy lol.
(W/U)(B/R)GForm of Progenitus, Shape of a Scrubland
BRGJund Tokens with Prossh, the Magic Dragon Foil
URGAnimar, the RUG CleanerFoil
RRRFeldon of the Third Path 2.0 Foil
BG(B/G)Not Another Meren DeckFoil
UR(U/R)Mizzix, Y Control and X Burn Spells
(W/U)(B/R)GHarold Ramos - The 35 Foot Long Twinkie (In +1/+1 counters)
UB(U/B)Dragonlord Silumgar
Yes totally agree with this
The only reason kagachi is that weak is because this is the version after the divinity thing was removed.
(W/U)(B/R)GForm of Progenitus, Shape of a Scrubland
BRGJund Tokens with Prossh, the Magic Dragon Foil
URGAnimar, the RUG CleanerFoil
RRRFeldon of the Third Path 2.0 Foil
BG(B/G)Not Another Meren DeckFoil
UR(U/R)Mizzix, Y Control and X Burn Spells
(W/U)(B/R)GHarold Ramos - The 35 Foot Long Twinkie (In +1/+1 counters)
UB(U/B)Dragonlord Silumgar
You know that's probably what he would probably do if he still had that which was taken
I would love to see an actual WB Version of Radiant, Archangel, considering she was being manipulated by the Phyrexian's and went a wee bit genocidal/crazy I think it would fit. Doesn't fit the "Who hasn't gotten a card" idea you mentioned but I feel like they missed a chance to make a really cool card for an interesting character because the Urza's Block didn't have multi-colored cards. Maybe they could even use the old art by Michael Sutfin that was done for the duelist magazine.
RB Olivia Voldaren RB
GB Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons GB
BWR Queen Marchesa BWR
RW Anya, Merciless Angel RW
UW Bruna, Light of Alabaster UW
UB Wydwen, The Biting Gale UB
GU Momir Vig, simic visionary GU
WG Karametra, God of Harvests WG
WUBSydri, Galvanic GeniusWUB