WUBRG: Search your library for a weatherlight crew member
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I have a similar request in Iconic Masters. Asking for them to print versions of iconic characters that never got them, and if they're printing new cards anyways, a version of Gerrard that can commander his entire weatherlight crew.
Yeah, I just looked at the price of Shadowborns, and they are just over $1.50 each. For a common. A deck with 40+ of these would instantly be worth the value -- even if it would tank the price of Shadowborns (which it almost certainly would), since it would make buying that huge a sum of that card way more affordable.
So with the Iconic Masters announcement and reviewing what's been discussed here, I'm sticking by my previous predictions. That being said, I agree with what others have expressed regarding secondary themes, so I'll select a secondary tribe for each of my predictions, and break down my reason for why these decks.
5-color Dragon, with a reprint of Scion of the Ur-Dragon
Dragons are absolutely the most popular of the iconic creature types.
Dragons were the first FtV and have been featured in a Duel Deck.
They're the only rare iconic (or common characteristic) creature type to be represented in all colors, even before...
There is an entire block focused on them (in all colors).
The greatest villain in the multiverse is a Dragon.
Dragons are effectively the face of MtG, and it's MtG's 25th anniversary.
While Scion of the Ur-Dragon already functions as a 5-color Dragon commander, it's due for a reprint, and I'm sure people want the Ur-Dragon itself to play with.
Subtheme: Shaman
Over half of all creatures that reference Dragons favorably in their text are Shamans (7 of 12), so Cult of the Ur-Dragon would make a great deck.
Hivis of the Scale gains control of dragons (but is sadly on the Reserve list)
Zirilan of the Claw tutors your deck for dragons (but is sadly on the Reserve list)
Of the remaining five, one is Kaalia who is already seeing a reprint this year; two use the "if you reveal a Dragon" mechanic; one is a 5-color Knight that turns into a Dragon; and one is a Zombie.
Subtheme: Gorgon
While there has been lots of discussion of Naga in this thread, this year's Commander product can't logistically include any from Amonkhet or Hour of Devastation. In the meantime, the Naga from Khans block already includes 2 Legendaries and last year gave them Ikra.
Gorgons on the other hand, desperately need a reprinting of Damia, Sage of Stone.
Kalemne wants big creatures in her deck, not small Soldiers;
Tajic doesn't confer any kind of benefit to those he commands.
Subtheme: Angels
There is a long history of Angels leading armies in MtG, and there's lots of reprint fodder for R/W Angels. However angels lack any "lords", so throwing them a bone or two here would be reasonable.
I disagree. Why does species always supercede profession? We have never seen a Wizard human or a Warrior Zombie. There's a reason for that. Legendary or basic are super types of cards. We're talking creatures, which has already classified that aspect.
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Actually not really. If 40 were printed in a single deck the price would dry up to nothing. It might be worth $1.50 when the deck is spoiled By the time you would by it it would likely be down to 50 cents and in a month it would be a nickle card. Don't they teach supply and demand at all any more?
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Goblins
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Reanimator
Dredge
Affinity EDH W Akroma GBW Ghave BRU Thrax GR Ruric I advocate for the elimination of the combo archetype in Modern. I believe it is degenerate and unfun by its very nature and will always limit design space and cause unnecessary bans.
Bravo, I guess, for being the most cookie-cutter textbook example of that whole "they'd complain if they were given banknotes on the way they were folded" sort of meme thing that gets brought up occasionally.
Its less, and its simply worse for the consumer to get "less" than what they got before.
There is nothing good about getting less, unless you simply dont care, just accept that others probably WILL care.
Less implies something has been taken away. You're getting four new decks. It's only upside. There's no rule that says new releases have to come in fives. There isn't "less" of anything! It's like being given £40 and complaining that you weren't given £50, or having the choice of four great meals at a restaurant but then moaning that there weren't five lol.
Zero basis for complaint here bud
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Bravo, I guess, for being the most cookie-cutter textbook example of that whole "they'd complain if they were given banknotes on the way they were folded" sort of meme thing that gets brought up occasionally.
Its less, and its simply worse for the consumer to get "less" than what they got before.
There is nothing good about getting less, unless you simply dont care, just accept that others probably WILL care.
Less implies something has been taken away. You're getting four new decks. It's only upside. There's no rule that says new releases have to come in fives. There isn't "less" of anything! It's like being given £40 and complaining that you weren't given £50, or having the choice of four great meals at a restaurant but then moaning that there weren't five lol.
Zero basis for complaint here bud
Also, it's roughly the same number of new cards (56) packed into fewer decks, so it's easier/cheaper to get them all. What you'll end up getting less of, are the useless filler reprints.
I disagree. Why does species always supercede profession? We have never seen a Wizard human or a Warrior Zombie. There's a reason for that. Legendary or basic are super types of cards. We're talking creatures, which has already classified that aspect.
Supertypes are always on the left side of the dash in the type line, subtypes are always on the right. Other than that, the order that the types appear in is a matter of internal policy / convention. For example, Legendary acts as a sort of modifier to other supertypes, so always comes first, and creature subtypes are generally given in the (perceived) order: template, race, class. That's why Temmet, Vizier of Naktamun's token is Legendary Creature - Zombie Human Cleric. But the fact is, there are no rules that deal with the concept of race or class or any other (edit: creature) subtypes; they're all just subtypes.
So with the Iconic Masters announcement and reviewing what's been discussed here, I'm sticking by my previous predictions. That being said, I agree with what others have expressed regarding secondary themes, so I'll select a secondary tribe for each of my predictions, and break down my reason for why these decks.
5-color Dragon, with a reprint of Scion of the Ur-Dragon
Dragons are absolutely the most popular of the iconic creature types.
Dragons were the first FtV and have been featured in a Duel Deck.
They're the only rare iconic (or common characteristic) creature type to be represented in all colors, even before...
There is an entire block focused on them (in all colors).
The greatest villain in the multiverse is a Dragon.
Dragons are effectively the face of MtG, and it's MtG's 25th anniversary.
While Scion of the Ur-Dragon already functions as a 5-color Dragon commander, it's due for a reprint, and I'm sure people want the Ur-Dragon itself to play with.
Subtheme: Shaman
Over half of all creatures that reference Dragons favorably in their text are Shamans (7 of 12), so Cult of the Ur-Dragon would make a great deck.
Hivis of the Scale gains control of dragons (but is sadly on the Reserve list)
Zirilan of the Claw tutors your deck for dragons (but is sadly on the Reserve list)
Of the remaining five, one is Kaalia who is already seeing a reprint this year; two use the "if you reveal a Dragon" mechanic; one is a 5-color Knight that turns into a Dragon; and one is a Zombie.
Subtheme: Gorgon
While there has been lots of discussion of Naga in this thread, this year's Commander product can't logistically include any from Amonkhet or Hour of Devastation. In the meantime, the Naga from Khans block already includes 2 Legendaries and last year gave them Ikra.
Gorgons on the other hand, desperately need a reprinting of Damia, Sage of Stone.
Kalemne wants big creatures in her deck, not small Soldiers;
Tajic doesn't confer any kind of benefit to those he commands.
Subtheme: Angels
There is a long history of Angels leading armies in MtG, and there's lots of reprint fodder for R/W Angels. However angels lack any "lords", so throwing them a bone or two here would be reasonable.
This has got me hyped. There are four tribes I'd like see get some support. Now, I'm not banking on this but I would love to see these:
Ninja: Who wouldn't love some ninja?! Seriously, I can just see it. A ninja commander deck that is based around using the Ninjutsu mechanic to constantly sub ninja in and out. It'd be like a strike force where you have to pick the best ninja for the job at a particular moment and trade him/her out when they're not needed. A deck based around deception and head games a you dismantle your opponent before moving in for the kill.
As for the commander: how about the spirit of a long dead ninja grandmaster who has refused to pass on and continues to train and lead new generations of ninja?
Werewolf: Here me out. Instead of werewolf commander who flips, how about a Wolfir? Has the body and power of a werewolf but the mind and heart of a person. That way, you don't have to design a flip card and multiple mechanics and the commander can serve a consistent center piece for the deck as you deal with all the werewolf flipping. The Wolfir could confer a benefit for the werewolves no matter what form their in.
Like I said, I don't expect to see anything like these, but it would be nice to get EDH for them.
I can dream, no?
Crap, I forgot to mention the other two tribes I would possibly like to see:
Demons: In all honesty, Demons are one of my favorite tribes and I've been disappointed that we don't have a general who gives them any form of support outside of 'ol Rakdos the Defiler and even that isn't anything direct. He removes non-demons but doesn't actually help them. Also, I've been bummed out that we don't have a lot of Demon creatures with any other type like Malfegor. There's so much untapped potential there. Heck, in the lore, Nicol Bolas dueled with a DEMONIC LEVIATHAN PLANESWALKER! The possibilities are endless. A nice Grixis Demon legend (NOT Sol'kanar the Swamp King) would be appreciated. It wouldn't have to be on the level of Withengar Unbound or Ormendahl, Profane Prince in raw power or conditions but it would be nice to have a big flying demon punching my opponents in the face with some nice incentives to use other demons.
Merfolk, Kraken, Leviathans: I was going to say Vampires (like I did in another thread) but I rethought that a bit. You know what I noticed? There's no Merfolk legendary that deals with either with directly with other Merfolk nor is there one that does anything with Krakens or Leviathans. Both of those routes are pretty obvious but I'd be interested in the latter. Just imagine it: A Merfolk legendary that either sacrifices other creatures to make big Kraken or Leviathan tokens or due how high the mana costs are on such creatures, cheats them into play. A Merfolk at the head of a pack of giant sea monsters is just plain awesome! There aren't that many Kraken/Leviathan creatures but the ones that are good are quite appealing if you can get them out consistently. This is just the kind of theme EDH we could use.
We could make a deck out of using cheap value ETB creatures to gives us an advantage or weaken the opponent and then sac em to bring out bigger and badder creatures from the deep to beat them to death. Seriously, why has no one at WotC thought of that yet?
Bravo, I guess, for being the most cookie-cutter textbook example of that whole "they'd complain if they were given banknotes on the way they were folded" sort of meme thing that gets brought up occasionally.
Its less, and its simply worse for the consumer to get "less" than what they got before.
There is nothing good about getting less, unless you simply dont care, just accept that others probably WILL care.
To be fair there is only less choices and/or less if you bought all of the decks at one time, which not everyone does. After that there isn't less here, again besides choices, if you bought one or two.
Oh but there literally is less. Aproximatedly 65 less cards are being printed and those could have been some very well received reprints even if they were relatively inexpensive stuff like the Odissey filters in C16, because before the reprint they were hard to find NM or the costumer enjoys looking at the cards in the new frame.
It's not conceptually less, it literally is less cardboard getting printed.
Bravo, I guess, for being the most cookie-cutter textbook example of that whole "they'd complain if they were given banknotes on the way they were folded" sort of meme thing that gets brought up occasionally.
Its less, and its simply worse for the consumer to get "less" than what they got before.
There is nothing good about getting less, unless you simply dont care, just accept that others probably WILL care.
To be fair there is only less choices and/or less if you bought all of the decks at one time, which not everyone does. After that there isn't less here, again besides choices, if you bought one or two.
Oh but there literally is less. Aproximatedly 65 less cards are being printed and those could have been some very well received reprints even if they were relatively inexpensive stuff like the Odissey filters in C16, because before the reprint they were hard to find NM or the costumer enjoys looking at the cards in the new frame.
It's not conceptually less, it literally is less cardboard getting printed.
Jeez man quit whining. Just appreciate the new shiny stuff rather than complaining you didn't get even more.
Besides, you've just imagined that there was a fifth deck and they've 'taken it away'. That's the only way your comment would make sense. But there was never a rule that there needs to be five decks in every commander release, it's only been a sensible choice so far because it's been based on colour, and other themes will require different approaches. In the future we might have a release of (for example) three decks if they are based around a trio of important story characters, right? It clearly made sense to design this release as a set of four, and I respect their design decisions, because they've got a great track record with these subsidiary products so far (they really have been excellent). This release was very likely always four decks, from the beginning stages of development (based on what I know of their development processes up to this point in time). This means it's highly likely that there isn't "less" of anything, and this always was the totality of the release, for good design reasons. You're not being short-changed, just given a new product with a different theme.
Stop finding imaginary excuses to complain and just appreciate what's been designed and created for your entertainment and enjoyment.
Bravo, I guess, for being the most cookie-cutter textbook example of that whole "they'd complain if they were given banknotes on the way they were folded" sort of meme thing that gets brought up occasionally.
Its less, and its simply worse for the consumer to get "less" than what they got before.
There is nothing good about getting less, unless you simply dont care, just accept that others probably WILL care.
To be fair there is only less choices and/or less if you bought all of the decks at one time, which not everyone does. After that there isn't less here, again besides choices, if you bought one or two.
Oh but there literally is less. Aproximatedly 65 less cards are being printed and those could have been some very well received reprints even if they were relatively inexpensive stuff like the Odissey filters in C16, because before the reprint they were hard to find NM or the costumer enjoys looking at the cards in the new frame.
It's not conceptually less, it literally is less cardboard getting printed.
Jeez man quit whining. Just appreciate the new shiny stuff rather than complaining you didn't get even more.
Besides, you've just imagined that there was a fifth deck and they've 'taken it away'. That's the only way your comment would make sense. But there was never a rule that there needs to be five decks in every commander release, it's only been a sensible choice so far because it's been based on colour, and other themes will require different approaches. In the future we might have a release of (for example) three decks if they are based around a trio of important story characters, right? It clearly made sense to design this release as a set of four, and I respect their design decisions, because they've got a great track record with these subsidiary products so far (they really have been excellent).
Stop finding imaginary excuses to complain and just appreciate what's been designed and created for your entertainment and enjoyment.
Nothing changed, it's all in your minds!
Go sleep 2 hours less than usual and tell your body nothing's different and you're doing it a service, see how well that goes.
Its less, and its simply worse for the consumer to get "less" than what they got before.
There is nothing good about getting less, unless you simply dont care, just accept that others probably WILL care.
To be fair there is only less choices and/or less if you bought all of the decks at one time, which not everyone does. After that there isn't less here, again besides choices, if you bought one or two.
Oh but there literally is less. Aproximatedly 65 less cards are being printed and those could have been some very well received reprints even if they were relatively inexpensive stuff like the Odissey filters in C16, because before the reprint they were hard to find NM or the costumer enjoys looking at the cards in the new frame.
It's not conceptually less, it literally is less cardboard getting printed.
Jeez man quit whining. Just appreciate the new shiny stuff rather than complaining you didn't get even more.
Besides, you've just imagined that there was a fifth deck and they've 'taken it away'. That's the only way your comment would make sense. But there was never a rule that there needs to be five decks in every commander release, it's only been a sensible choice so far because it's been based on colour, and other themes will require different approaches. In the future we might have a release of (for example) three decks if they are based around a trio of important story characters, right? It clearly made sense to design this release as a set of four, and I respect their design decisions, because they've got a great track record with these subsidiary products so far (they really have been excellent).
Stop finding imaginary excuses to complain and just appreciate what's been designed and created for your entertainment and enjoyment.
Nothing changed, it's all in your minds!
Go sleep 2 hours less than usual and tell your body nothing's different and you're doing it a service, see how well that goes.
Ok, what!? Having five decks is imperative to your health? Some minor detail of a future subsidiary release of a card game is going to affect your body in the way that sleep deprivation does? Your comparison makes less than no sense. It's actively misdirectional. Hyperbolic even.
All the other ones are based on colour pie. It makes sense to do things in fives.
This one's operating under a different set of priorities, and they clearly have good design reasons to build it this way. Nothing's been taken away from you that you already have. It's fresh, different, new. Sure it's not what we're used to, but how exactly is this a problem? It is very much the *hands someone £40* - "oh, I wanted £50" thing going on here. The only way that kind of comment holds any weight is if they are actually owed a larger total amount, otherwise it's complete nonsense self-entitlement. Nobody is owed five decks here. They designed four, I'm sure they are excellent. Too much false entitlement. Seriously.
Can we just wait to see what these decks look like before people complain that there aren't enough of them, lol. It's absurd.
My prediction is that the decks will not be about iconic races, but classes.
Soldiers/Warriors/Knights, Wizards, Rogues and either Druids or Shamans.
They will all be multicolored, maybe one of them on 3 colors, but most of them on 2.
I'm actually hoping that they specifically DON'T do the primary races (Dragons/Angels/Elves/Goblins/Zombies/Etc). I really feel like those get/have gotten plenty of support in standard sets already, and think they'd be missing a golden opportunity to shore up other tribes that might be right there on the cusp of being good/playable.
To be fair there is only less choices and/or less if you bought all of the decks at one time, which not everyone does. After that there isn't less here, again besides choices, if you bought one or two.
Oh but there literally is less. Aproximatedly 65 less cards are being printed and those could have been some very well received reprints even if they were relatively inexpensive stuff like the Odissey filters in C16, because before the reprint they were hard to find NM or the costumer enjoys looking at the cards in the new frame.
It's not conceptually less, it literally is less cardboard getting printed.
Jeez man quit whining. Just appreciate the new shiny stuff rather than complaining you didn't get even more.
Besides, you've just imagined that there was a fifth deck and they've 'taken it away'. That's the only way your comment would make sense. But there was never a rule that there needs to be five decks in every commander release, it's only been a sensible choice so far because it's been based on colour, and other themes will require different approaches. In the future we might have a release of (for example) three decks if they are based around a trio of important story characters, right? It clearly made sense to design this release as a set of four, and I respect their design decisions, because they've got a great track record with these subsidiary products so far (they really have been excellent).
Stop finding imaginary excuses to complain and just appreciate what's been designed and created for your entertainment and enjoyment.
Nothing changed, it's all in your minds!
Go sleep 2 hours less than usual and tell your body nothing's different and you're doing it a service, see how well that goes.
Ok, what!? Having five decks is imperative to your health? Some minor detail of a future subsidiary release of a card game is going to affect your body in the way that sleep deprivation does? Your comparison makes less than no sense. It's actively misdirectional. Hyperbolic even.
All the other ones are based on colour pie. It makes sense to do things in fives.
This one's operating under a different set of priorities, and they clearly have good design reasons to build it this way. Nothing's been taken away from you that you already have. It's fresh, different, new. Sure it's not what we're used to, but how exactly is this a problem? It is very much the *hands someone £40* - "oh, I wanted £50" thing going on here. The only way that kind of comment holds any weight is if they are actually owed a larger total amount, otherwise it's complete nonsense self-entitlement. Nobody is owed five decks here. They designed four, I'm sure they are excellent. Too much false entitlement. Seriously.
Can we just wait to see what these decks look like before people complain that there aren't enough of them, lol. It's absurd.
Expectations based on solid continuity are natural and being upset about broken conventions is reasonable.
Being upset because other people are upset and making up alternative facts to lampoon their discontent, is what is absurd.
Wether or not the product will be good and well liked is irrelevant, what I refuted was a mathematically false asservation that we are not getting less Commander product this year than usual
Oh but there literally is less. Aproximatedly 65 less cards are being printed and those could have been some very well received reprints even if they were relatively inexpensive stuff like the Odissey filters in C16, because before the reprint they were hard to find NM or the costumer enjoys looking at the cards in the new frame.
It's not conceptually less, it literally is less cardboard getting printed.
Jeez man quit whining. Just appreciate the new shiny stuff rather than complaining you didn't get even more.
Besides, you've just imagined that there was a fifth deck and they've 'taken it away'. That's the only way your comment would make sense. But there was never a rule that there needs to be five decks in every commander release, it's only been a sensible choice so far because it's been based on colour, and other themes will require different approaches. In the future we might have a release of (for example) three decks if they are based around a trio of important story characters, right? It clearly made sense to design this release as a set of four, and I respect their design decisions, because they've got a great track record with these subsidiary products so far (they really have been excellent).
Stop finding imaginary excuses to complain and just appreciate what's been designed and created for your entertainment and enjoyment.
Nothing changed, it's all in your minds!
Go sleep 2 hours less than usual and tell your body nothing's different and you're doing it a service, see how well that goes.
Ok, what!? Having five decks is imperative to your health? Some minor detail of a future subsidiary release of a card game is going to affect your body in the way that sleep deprivation does? Your comparison makes less than no sense. It's actively misdirectional. Hyperbolic even.
All the other ones are based on colour pie. It makes sense to do things in fives.
This one's operating under a different set of priorities, and they clearly have good design reasons to build it this way. Nothing's been taken away from you that you already have. It's fresh, different, new. Sure it's not what we're used to, but how exactly is this a problem? It is very much the *hands someone £40* - "oh, I wanted £50" thing going on here. The only way that kind of comment holds any weight is if they are actually owed a larger total amount, otherwise it's complete nonsense self-entitlement. Nobody is owed five decks here. They designed four, I'm sure they are excellent. Too much false entitlement. Seriously.
Can we just wait to see what these decks look like before people complain that there aren't enough of them, lol. It's absurd.
Expectations based on solid continuity are natural and being upset about broken conventions is reasonable.
Being upset because other people are upset and making up alternative facts to lampoon their discontent, is what is absurd.
Wether or not the product will be good and well liked is irrelevant, what I refuted was a mathematically false asservation that we are not getting less Commander product this year than usual
I remember when sets shifted down to being in the 200s card count, I could of complained and shouted about how we are getting less product and how dare they, but the thing is is it wasn't my place to do that.
You can complain that convention says five, but in the end we are actually getting a copious amount of material in a year (4 sets, a master's set, a run of EDH decks, archenemy, EDH anthology, a dual deck, etc.) It's their product and if they think four is enough it's their choice.
On top of that, they would have their reasons to do so as they are a business and in business things aren't just arbitrary in action.
How I look at it, if they release four well made and fun decks that is cool as it's something we can use. Nothing in the end is promised to you, and convention changes to current need.
They could do none at all and focus on other products like they've done for planeschase over the years, they could do it every other year as was the original plan, alternating with other products. 4 decks will not hurt anyone.
I think all 4 decks will be 5 color tribal decks. So no color is left behind.
They will still print 56 new cards but at lower total cards. This means more new cards per deck and/or a weird distribution.
I would be really happy if they print an angel deck but to be honest they seems non-tribal. They could reprint a maelstrom angel. I still need one for my collection :D.
Well not likely but possible
I mean zombie players have Ben begging wizards for a 5 color leader due to the amazing multi-color zombies.
For me if it happens I hope for a 5 color devoid Eldrazi leader. Because then we can use the devoid color eldrazis in a authentic Eldrazi commander deck.
Demons: In all honesty, Demons are one of my favorite tribes and I've been disappointed that we don't have a general who gives them any form of support outside of 'ol Rakdos the Defiler and even that isn't anything direct. He removes non-demons but doesn't actually help them.
I dunno, I kinda like the idea of demon tribal being less about helping demons, and more about screwing over nondemons. Like, other tribes have "creatures you control of this type get +1/+1" whereas demons would be more likely to have "all nondemon creatures get -1/-1".
Less implies something has been taken away. You're getting four new decks. It's only upside. There's no rule that says new releases have to come in fives. There isn't "less" of anything! It's like being given £40 and complaining that you weren't given £50, or having the choice of four great meals at a restaurant but then moaning that there weren't five lol.
Zero basis for complaint here bud
If i keep getting 50$ i will complain that i only get 40$ , and thats totally fine.
If you think that complain is valid, is your choice, but it doesnt make my complain in any way worse.
Especially here, they can EASILY do 5-decks but they decided not too, which is their choice and i get 5 new decks before (with more cards) , and simply get less now.
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Classic mentality of "Is the glass half empty or half full?" , for me its worse to get less decks.
If you simply dont give a ***** about it, you will be cool with it, even if it gets cut down to just 1 new deck ; its 1 new deck, nice isnt it ? NO, it used to be 5 new decks, dont sell me this crap as something positive, its simply less decks and WotC will get less money from people that used to buy the complete set of all decks, so its even bad in that perspective.
The reason they actually do it is that a lot of times, 1 of the decks is simply much better value than the others, and shops have to buy the complete set and will just sell that 1 "good stuff" deck, while they are stranded on the "bad" ones, which they have to sell way under price at some point to get them away ; so if THAT is the reason, you would have at least a valid business standpoint, but for the players, less decks is simply less, its downright bad and no matter how you look at it, you get LESS than you would be getting, and thats always terrible, unless you simply ignore that you get cut out (and you dont care anyway).
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If you dont see why the complaint is absolutely valid, you probably will never be able to get the point.
Demons: In all honesty, Demons are one of my favorite tribes and I've been disappointed that we don't have a general who gives them any form of support outside of 'ol Rakdos the Defiler and even that isn't anything direct. He removes non-demons but doesn't actually help them.
I dunno, I kinda like the idea of demon tribal being less about helping demons, and more about screwing over nondemons. Like, other tribes have "creatures you control of this type get +1/+1" whereas demons would be more likely to have "all nondemon creatures get -1/-1".
I should have been a bit clearer, but I was trying to say that we just need more options to fit into the spot. A Demon Legend who nerfs all other creatures but demons would be something I could definitely get behind and would love build around.
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I have a similar request in Iconic Masters. Asking for them to print versions of iconic characters that never got them, and if they're printing new cards anyways, a version of Gerrard that can commander his entire weatherlight crew.
Hint, hint, Wizards...
Over half of all creatures that reference Dragons favorably in their text are Shamans (7 of 12), so Cult of the Ur-Dragon would make a great deck.
While there has been lots of discussion of Naga in this thread, this year's Commander product can't logistically include any from Amonkhet or Hour of Devastation. In the meantime, the Naga from Khans block already includes 2 Legendaries and last year gave them Ikra.
Gorgons on the other hand, desperately need a reprinting of Damia, Sage of Stone.
Subtheme: Angels
There is a long history of Angels leading armies in MtG, and there's lots of reprint fodder for R/W Angels. However angels lack any "lords", so throwing them a bone or two here would be reasonable.
Clerics are in a similar situation as Soldiers...there are very many of them in print , but they lack a solid leader who cares about Clerics.
Subtheme: Demons
Black clerics, even multi-colored ones tend to sacrifice things to Demons. Who am I to argue?
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I advocate for the elimination of the combo archetype in Modern. I believe it is degenerate and unfun by its very nature and will always limit design space and cause unnecessary bans.
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I advocate for the elimination of the combo archetype in Modern. I believe it is degenerate and unfun by its very nature and will always limit design space and cause unnecessary bans.
Less implies something has been taken away. You're getting four new decks. It's only upside. There's no rule that says new releases have to come in fives. There isn't "less" of anything! It's like being given £40 and complaining that you weren't given £50, or having the choice of four great meals at a restaurant but then moaning that there weren't five lol.
Zero basis for complaint here bud
Also, it's roughly the same number of new cards (56) packed into fewer decks, so it's easier/cheaper to get them all. What you'll end up getting less of, are the useless filler reprints.
I actually like this and I think I will through my hat in with your prediction.
Funny thing is is that I am making a Sultai EDH deck that is focused around Snakes/Gorgons/Nagas, so I am hoping that this is dead on.
Crap, I forgot to mention the other two tribes I would possibly like to see:
Demons: In all honesty, Demons are one of my favorite tribes and I've been disappointed that we don't have a general who gives them any form of support outside of 'ol Rakdos the Defiler and even that isn't anything direct. He removes non-demons but doesn't actually help them. Also, I've been bummed out that we don't have a lot of Demon creatures with any other type like Malfegor. There's so much untapped potential there. Heck, in the lore, Nicol Bolas dueled with a DEMONIC LEVIATHAN PLANESWALKER! The possibilities are endless. A nice Grixis Demon legend (NOT Sol'kanar the Swamp King) would be appreciated. It wouldn't have to be on the level of Withengar Unbound or Ormendahl, Profane Prince in raw power or conditions but it would be nice to have a big flying demon punching my opponents in the face with some nice incentives to use other demons.
Merfolk, Kraken, Leviathans: I was going to say Vampires (like I did in another thread) but I rethought that a bit. You know what I noticed? There's no Merfolk legendary that deals with either with directly with other Merfolk nor is there one that does anything with Krakens or Leviathans. Both of those routes are pretty obvious but I'd be interested in the latter. Just imagine it: A Merfolk legendary that either sacrifices other creatures to make big Kraken or Leviathan tokens or due how high the mana costs are on such creatures, cheats them into play. A Merfolk at the head of a pack of giant sea monsters is just plain awesome! There aren't that many Kraken/Leviathan creatures but the ones that are good are quite appealing if you can get them out consistently. This is just the kind of theme EDH we could use.
We could make a deck out of using cheap value ETB creatures to gives us an advantage or weaken the opponent and then sac em to bring out bigger and badder creatures from the deep to beat them to death. Seriously, why has no one at WotC thought of that yet?
Yet, who knows? it might happen one day.
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Oh but there literally is less. Aproximatedly 65 less cards are being printed and those could have been some very well received reprints even if they were relatively inexpensive stuff like the Odissey filters in C16, because before the reprint they were hard to find NM or the costumer enjoys looking at the cards in the new frame.
It's not conceptually less, it literally is less cardboard getting printed.
Jeez man quit whining. Just appreciate the new shiny stuff rather than complaining you didn't get even more.
Besides, you've just imagined that there was a fifth deck and they've 'taken it away'. That's the only way your comment would make sense. But there was never a rule that there needs to be five decks in every commander release, it's only been a sensible choice so far because it's been based on colour, and other themes will require different approaches. In the future we might have a release of (for example) three decks if they are based around a trio of important story characters, right? It clearly made sense to design this release as a set of four, and I respect their design decisions, because they've got a great track record with these subsidiary products so far (they really have been excellent). This release was very likely always four decks, from the beginning stages of development (based on what I know of their development processes up to this point in time). This means it's highly likely that there isn't "less" of anything, and this always was the totality of the release, for good design reasons. You're not being short-changed, just given a new product with a different theme.
Stop finding imaginary excuses to complain and just appreciate what's been designed and created for your entertainment and enjoyment.
C11, 5 decks.
C13, 5 decks.
C14, 5 decks.
C15, 5 decks.
C16, 5 decks.
C17, 4 decks.
Nothing changed, it's all in your minds!
Go sleep 2 hours less than usual and tell your body nothing's different and you're doing it a service, see how well that goes.
Ok, what!? Having five decks is imperative to your health? Some minor detail of a future subsidiary release of a card game is going to affect your body in the way that sleep deprivation does? Your comparison makes less than no sense. It's actively misdirectional. Hyperbolic even.
All the other ones are based on colour pie. It makes sense to do things in fives.
This one's operating under a different set of priorities, and they clearly have good design reasons to build it this way. Nothing's been taken away from you that you already have. It's fresh, different, new. Sure it's not what we're used to, but how exactly is this a problem? It is very much the *hands someone £40* - "oh, I wanted £50" thing going on here. The only way that kind of comment holds any weight is if they are actually owed a larger total amount, otherwise it's complete nonsense self-entitlement. Nobody is owed five decks here. They designed four, I'm sure they are excellent. Too much false entitlement. Seriously.
Can we just wait to see what these decks look like before people complain that there aren't enough of them, lol. It's absurd.
Soldiers/Warriors/Knights, Wizards, Rogues and either Druids or Shamans.
They will all be multicolored, maybe one of them on 3 colors, but most of them on 2.
Expectations based on solid continuity are natural and being upset about broken conventions is reasonable.
Being upset because other people are upset and making up alternative facts to lampoon their discontent, is what is absurd.
Wether or not the product will be good and well liked is irrelevant, what I refuted was a mathematically false asservation that we are not getting less Commander product this year than usual
I remember when sets shifted down to being in the 200s card count, I could of complained and shouted about how we are getting less product and how dare they, but the thing is is it wasn't my place to do that.
You can complain that convention says five, but in the end we are actually getting a copious amount of material in a year (4 sets, a master's set, a run of EDH decks, archenemy, EDH anthology, a dual deck, etc.) It's their product and if they think four is enough it's their choice.
On top of that, they would have their reasons to do so as they are a business and in business things aren't just arbitrary in action.
How I look at it, if they release four well made and fun decks that is cool as it's something we can use. Nothing in the end is promised to you, and convention changes to current need.
They could do none at all and focus on other products like they've done for planeschase over the years, they could do it every other year as was the original plan, alternating with other products. 4 decks will not hurt anyone.
Well not likely but possible
I mean zombie players have Ben begging wizards for a 5 color leader due to the amazing multi-color zombies.
For me if it happens I hope for a 5 color devoid Eldrazi leader. Because then we can use the devoid color eldrazis in a authentic Eldrazi commander deck.
If i keep getting 50$ i will complain that i only get 40$ , and thats totally fine.
If you think that complain is valid, is your choice, but it doesnt make my complain in any way worse.
Especially here, they can EASILY do 5-decks but they decided not too, which is their choice and i get 5 new decks before (with more cards) , and simply get less now.
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Classic mentality of "Is the glass half empty or half full?" , for me its worse to get less decks.
If you simply dont give a ***** about it, you will be cool with it, even if it gets cut down to just 1 new deck ; its 1 new deck, nice isnt it ? NO, it used to be 5 new decks, dont sell me this crap as something positive, its simply less decks and WotC will get less money from people that used to buy the complete set of all decks, so its even bad in that perspective.
The reason they actually do it is that a lot of times, 1 of the decks is simply much better value than the others, and shops have to buy the complete set and will just sell that 1 "good stuff" deck, while they are stranded on the "bad" ones, which they have to sell way under price at some point to get them away ; so if THAT is the reason, you would have at least a valid business standpoint, but for the players, less decks is simply less, its downright bad and no matter how you look at it, you get LESS than you would be getting, and thats always terrible, unless you simply ignore that you get cut out (and you dont care anyway).
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I should have been a bit clearer, but I was trying to say that we just need more options to fit into the spot. A Demon Legend who nerfs all other creatures but demons would be something I could definitely get behind and would love build around.
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