I mean at this point we are arguing opinion.
But for EDH a card that relies on your running 3 colors for a typically white tribe can hardly be considered Angel Support just because it brings a very specific angel into play.
Nissa also has other abilities that support elf tribal, so we can't really take that in as much of a vacuum. Its not like this is an angelic Blood speaker Would you consider Pious Kitsune fox tribal?
That all being said I would pray for 5 color Asha, but that is probably just a fantasy.
It is creature-type assistance for one creature that is also an angel. If this was for ANY angel, you would agree more. As is, it is a tutor for a specific angel. Which means it also is angel support.
Nobody balks at Nissa Revane's +1 and says "That isn't support" because summoning a Nissa's Chosen is treated and regarded as Elf Support because she is tutoring up a specific elf that is a reusable source.
Again. It seems we have people who assume support = generalist and that support =/= specific. Which is why people to reevaluate themselves when considering what is support in this game as both generalist and specific are support cards.
No. Tribal support cards are cards that support the tribe.
Nissan gaining you life equal to the number of elves counts as tribal support (tutoring for members of the tribe in her ultimate also counts).
If you wanted to argue that making tokens of a tribe counted as tribal I might be convinced... but I don't consider it such.
If you wanted to argue that searching up a non-legendary creature (looking at Tolsimir Wolfblood) every turn is basically the same as token making (especially if you can search the 'yard or if the creature puts itself back in your deck on death) I might Might MIGHT buy that...
Tutoring once for a creature that happens to have a creature type (spoiler alert: basically every creature has a creature type) does NOT count as tribal. Nothing about it is tribal. There are 5 cards in that set like that, each tutors a specific high cost creature and requires you sacrifice three creatures to do it... not tribal even under the 'makes a token every turn' logic that I don't completely buy into.
To be tribal a card needs to do something to any members of that tribe because they are members of that tribe. Not just to one predetermined member of that tribe. It doesn't have to be relevant... 'all knights gain first strike' is tribal despite half the tribe having first strike already.
(U/B) is :symbu: or :symub: and the same is true for the other 9 hybrid symbols with their two colors in for the last 2 leters of the code. ((2/B) and co are :sym2b:)
Alternatively {UB} or {2B} in [mana] tags are (U/B) or (2/B) T is :symtap: and T will give T in [mana] tags
It is creature-type assistance for one creature that is also an angel. If this was for ANY angel, you would agree more. As is, it is a tutor for a specific angel. Which means it also is angel support.
Nobody balks at Nissa Revane's +1 and says "That isn't support" because summoning a Nissa's Chosen is treated and regarded as Elf Support because she is tutoring up a specific elf that is a reusable source.
Again. It seems we have people who assume support = generalist and that support =/= specific. Which is why people to reevaluate themselves when considering what is support in this game as both generalist and specific are support cards.
No. Tribal support cards are cards that support the tribe.
Nissan gaining you life equal to the number of elves counts as tribal support (tutoring for members of the tribe in her ultimate also counts).
If you wanted to argue that making tokens of a tribe counted as tribal I might be convinced... but I don't consider it such.
If you wanted to argue that searching up a non-legendary creature (looking at Tolsimir Wolfblood) every turn is basically the same as token making (especially if you can search the 'yard or if the creature puts itself back in your deck on death) I might Might MIGHT buy that...
Tutoring once for a creature that happens to have a creature type (spoiler alert: basically every creature has a creature type) does NOT count as tribal. Nothing about it is tribal. There are 5 cards in that set like that, each tutors a specific high cost creature and requires you sacrifice three creatures to do it... not tribal even under the 'makes a token every turn' logic that I don't completely buy into.
To be tribal a card needs to do something to all members of that tribe because they are members of that tribe. Not just to one member of that tribe. It doesn't have to be relevant... 'all knights gain first strike' is tribal despite half the tribe having first strike already.
I reiterate a THIRD TIME:
Which is why people to reevaluate themselves when considering what is support in this game as both generalist and specific are support cards.
Its not some conspiracy, or lack of knowledge. It is support. You are splitting hairs at trying to say well "It doesn't benefit the whole tribe" sometimes the whole tribe doesn't get benefited. Also if I need to point this out As well, what is Angel's Herald subtype? Human? Then yes, its part of angel support. Because their are angels that care about humans AND their are humans that care about angels as well. Seriously, even Archangel Avacyn and Kaalia of the Vast embodies this.
Because guess what. Angel+Human tribal? Its not like elf or goblin or sliver tribal at all if you paid attention.
EDIT: In fact. Take a look at Dragon and Demon tribal again. You may notice something. Like humans, goblins, ogres, devils, viashino, etc. They care about those fatties. Angels are typically fatties as well and have support that is rarely from angels.
If they only do tricolor Angels, then yes, I could see it being a Mardu deck as we don't have a have one Mardu Angel at this time and thus it would be kinda novel. As a bonus, a Mardu Angels deck would give us a chance at Feather and WB Sister legends, probably the two most requested thus far. I still would like to see a WUBRG Angel legend so we can live the dream of running Bant, Boros, Orzhov, and other multicolor Angels in the same deck.
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
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Its not some conspiracy, or lack of knowledge. It is support. You are splitting hairs at trying to say well "It doesn't benefit the whole tribe" sometimes the whole tribe doesn't get benefited.
I agree, the whole tribe doesn't need to benefit, as I mentioned with knights and first strike, or with defy death.
However the way it decides who to care about MUST be creature type based. Deciding based on card name is not tribal.
(U/B) is :symbu: or :symub: and the same is true for the other 9 hybrid symbols with their two colors in for the last 2 leters of the code. ((2/B) and co are :sym2b:)
Alternatively {UB} or {2B} in [mana] tags are (U/B) or (2/B) T is :symtap: and T will give T in [mana] tags
If they only do tricolor Angels, then yes, I could see it being a Mardu deck as we don't have a Mardu Angel at this time and thus it would be novel. As a bonus, a Mardu Angels deck would give us a chance at Feather and WB Sister legends, probably the two most requested thus far. I still would like to see a WUBRG Angel legend so we can live the dream of running Bant, Boros, Orzhov, and other multicolor Angels in the same deck.
Tariel, Reckoner of Souls
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(U/B) is :symbu: or :symub: and the same is true for the other 9 hybrid symbols with their two colors in for the last 2 leters of the code. ((2/B) and co are :sym2b:)
Alternatively {UB} or {2B} in [mana] tags are (U/B) or (2/B) T is :symtap: and T will give T in [mana] tags
Ah, yes, I'd forgotten about Tariel. Well, I'm sure Mardu Angels could use a new legend.
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
PSA to everyone who keeps forgetting about the Reserved List:
You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
Ah, yes, I'd forgotten about Tariel. Well, I'm sure Mardu Angels could use a new legend.
Yes, yes it could. Not personally a fan of random. I am hoping for an Angel deck in Mardu... but only because I gave up on Rebals.
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(U/B) is :symbu: or :symub: and the same is true for the other 9 hybrid symbols with their two colors in for the last 2 leters of the code. ((2/B) and co are :sym2b:)
Alternatively {UB} or {2B} in [mana] tags are (U/B) or (2/B) T is :symtap: and T will give T in [mana] tags
Welp hopefully we get to learn the other two tribes by August
I got
Wizards: UR possibly G or/and B added
Angel: not five color but WBR
Spirit: WUB and throw in G it's a perfect tribal leader (witch-Maw = perfect spirit tribal.)
Demon: this is a underrated tribe there is a ton of fantasic demons in edh we could go UBR due to Prince of Thralls, Silent-Blade Oni and Sol'kanar the Swamp King.
If cat is not the uexspected tribe one of these is the real one
Eldrazi: doubt it because they have the same problem as slivers (not fun to play against) it would be C deck
Elemental: another five color option. Probably switch out for a landfall elemental leader
Snake: UG was not enough in commander 2015 but if it's UBG then we would be talking.
Spider: eldritch moon gave us one but throw in R to BG then its a perfect color combo for spiders
Construct/Myr/scarecrow/golem: it's morely like a robot tribal of some sort for the C slot.
Avatar: no this is never happening the only reason it's possible is because of the dragons revealed the other tribes theory and also it has to be five color because of three particual avatars Child of Alara, Karona, False God and Progenitus
A C Deck makes sense at this current juncture for what they could release. The question would be artifice or eldritch? As just like WUBRG, neither would make a very interesting set for five decks by itself.
Mathematically it also makes since that in addition to a C deck we would get a Wedge OR Shard.
If they only do tricolor Angels, then yes, I could see it being a Mardu deck as we don't have a have one Mardu Angel at this time and thus it would be kinda novel. As a bonus, a Mardu Angels deck would give us a chance at Feather and WB Sister legends, probably the two most requested thus far. I still would like to see a WUBRG Angel legend so we can live the dream of running Bant, Boros, Orzhov, and other multicolor Angels in the same deck.
Non Mardu angels are few and rather meh save for Jenara and Sigarda who are better as Commanders themselves. It's pretty much just Empyreal, Iridiscent and Lightning angels, that's it.
MTGS Wikia Article about "New World Order"
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
PSA to everyone who keeps forgetting about the Reserved List:
You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
A C Deck makes sense at this current juncture for what they could release. The question would be artifice or eldritch? As just like WUBRG, neither would make a very interesting set for five decks by itself.
Mathematically it also makes since that in addition to a C deck we would get a Wedge OR Shard.
If they do a C deck I could see them going for color balance by doing a UBR deck to offset the cat deck.
Wizard and Zombie are the two tribes that jump out at me in those colors and I really think they are gonna go Race not Class, so I doubt wizards.
The biggest problem here is that if they want to do a C deck, they can't do golems because the splicers are colored and huge for the deck, they can't do scarecrows for a similar reason (the current commander is 5-color/colorless), Myr lose the mana dorks and the blue myr but could work... just not deep and I think cat is the surprise... Construct has similar problems to Myr, which leaves eldrazi... which has similar problems to golems, but could work... as a bonus the colorless basic land is eldrazi themed.
The short of it is that I think they would have a hard time with colorless, but if they did it that I think it pushes for the final deck to be grix.
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(U/B) is :symbu: or :symub: and the same is true for the other 9 hybrid symbols with their two colors in for the last 2 leters of the code. ((2/B) and co are :sym2b:)
Alternatively {UB} or {2B} in [mana] tags are (U/B) or (2/B) T is :symtap: and T will give T in [mana] tags
So what are the decks? I'm not looking through 58 pages just to find the answer.
Cats and Dragons were apparently leaked. Dragons leaked back in early June. The other two, we don't have a clue what they could be. There is baseless speculation they are Humans and Spirits.
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Why is there no date on that. (When they are doing this.)
EDIT: the final count down is one week after the Gatewatch fig....loose to nicol bolas (episode eight) but really they will be saved by either Samut/hazoret/ajani/or whatever.
But for EDH a card that relies on your running 3 colors for a typically white tribe can hardly be considered Angel Support just because it brings a very specific angel into play.
Nissa also has other abilities that support elf tribal, so we can't really take that in as much of a vacuum. Its not like this is an angelic Blood speaker Would you consider Pious Kitsune fox tribal?
That all being said I would pray for 5 color Asha, but that is probably just a fantasy.
Nissan gaining you life equal to the number of elves counts as tribal support (tutoring for members of the tribe in her ultimate also counts).
If you wanted to argue that making tokens of a tribe counted as tribal I might be convinced... but I don't consider it such.
If you wanted to argue that searching up a non-legendary creature (looking at Tolsimir Wolfblood) every turn is basically the same as token making (especially if you can search the 'yard or if the creature puts itself back in your deck on death) I might Might MIGHT buy that...
Tutoring once for a creature that happens to have a creature type (spoiler alert: basically every creature has a creature type) does NOT count as tribal. Nothing about it is tribal. There are 5 cards in that set like that, each tutors a specific high cost creature and requires you sacrifice three creatures to do it... not tribal even under the 'makes a token every turn' logic that I don't completely buy into.
To be tribal a card needs to do something to any members of that tribe because they are members of that tribe. Not just to one predetermined member of that tribe. It doesn't have to be relevant... 'all knights gain first strike' is tribal despite half the tribe having first strike already.
Alternatively {UB} or {2B} in [mana] tags are (U/B) or (2/B)
T is :symtap: and T will give T in [mana] tags
Which is why people to reevaluate themselves when considering what is support in this game as both generalist and specific are support cards.
Its not some conspiracy, or lack of knowledge. It is support. You are splitting hairs at trying to say well "It doesn't benefit the whole tribe" sometimes the whole tribe doesn't get benefited. Also if I need to point this out As well, what is Angel's Herald subtype? Human? Then yes, its part of angel support. Because their are angels that care about humans AND their are humans that care about angels as well. Seriously, even Archangel Avacyn and Kaalia of the Vast embodies this.
Because guess what. Angel+Human tribal? Its not like elf or goblin or sliver tribal at all if you paid attention.
EDIT: In fact. Take a look at Dragon and Demon tribal again. You may notice something. Like humans, goblins, ogres, devils, viashino, etc. They care about those fatties. Angels are typically fatties as well and have support that is rarely from angels.
don't have ahave one Mardu Angel at this time and thus it would be kinda novel. As a bonus, a Mardu Angels deck would give us a chance at Feather and WB Sister legends, probably the two most requested thus far. I still would like to see a WUBRG Angel legend so we can live the dream of running Bant, Boros, Orzhov, and other multicolor Angels in the same deck.Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
I don't care if it supports one creature like deny death or all creatures like goblin king. I care how it picks which creature(s) to care about.
If it picks based on creature type it is tribal. If it picks based on ANYTHING ELSE it is not.
Plummet is not angel tribal.
Tivadar's Crusade IS Goblin tribal.
Kalemne, Disciple of Iroas is NOT giant tribal.
Karona, False God is Angel tribal.
I agree, the whole tribe doesn't need to benefit, as I mentioned with knights and first strike, or with defy death.
However the way it decides who to care about MUST be creature type based. Deciding based on card name is not tribal.
Alternatively {UB} or {2B} in [mana] tags are (U/B) or (2/B)
T is :symtap: and T will give T in [mana] tags
Tariel, Reckoner of Souls
{4}{W}{B}{R}
Legendary Creature -- Angel
4/7
Flying, vigilance
{T}: Choose a creature card at random from target opponent's graveyard. Put that card onto the battlefield under your control.
Alternatively {UB} or {2B} in [mana] tags are (U/B) or (2/B)
T is :symtap: and T will give T in [mana] tags
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
Alternatively {UB} or {2B} in [mana] tags are (U/B) or (2/B)
T is :symtap: and T will give T in [mana] tags
I got
Wizards: UR possibly G or/and B added
Angel: not five color but WBR
Spirit: WUB and throw in G it's a perfect tribal leader (witch-Maw = perfect spirit tribal.)
Demon: this is a underrated tribe there is a ton of fantasic demons in edh we could go UBR due to Prince of Thralls, Silent-Blade Oni and Sol'kanar the Swamp King.
If cat is not the uexspected tribe one of these is the real one
Eldrazi: doubt it because they have the same problem as slivers (not fun to play against) it would be C deck
Elemental: another five color option. Probably switch out for a landfall elemental leader
Snake: UG was not enough in commander 2015 but if it's UBG then we would be talking.
Spider: eldritch moon gave us one but throw in R to BG then its a perfect color combo for spiders
Construct/Myr/scarecrow/golem: it's morely like a robot tribal of some sort for the C slot.
Avatar: no this is never happening the only reason it's possible is because of the dragons revealed the other tribes theory and also it has to be five color because of three particual avatars Child of Alara, Karona, False God and Progenitus
Mathematically it also makes since that in addition to a C deck we would get a Wedge OR Shard.
|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
Jenara technically covers bant.
Gotta have red too. So either 4 or 5 color would be best.
|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
RW Feather Legend
WB Sister Legend
4 Seraph of the Sword
4 Angelic Field Marshal
4 Guardian Seraph
4 Firemane Avenger
5 Herald of the Host
5 Herald of War
5 Anya, Merciless Angel
5 Avacyn, Guardian Angel
6 Flameblade Angel
6 Magister of Worth
6 Firemane Angel
6 Deathpact Angel
6 Aurelia, the Warleader
7 Platinum Angel
7 Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
7 Tariel, Reckoner of Souls
7 Angel of Despair
1 Traveler's Amulet
2 Boros Signet
2 Orzhov Signet
3 Chromatic Lantern
3 Darksteel Ingot
3 Sword of Vengeance
4 Door of Destinies
4 Moonsilver Spear
5 Cryptic Gateway
Enchantments
2 Luminarch Ascension
Instants
3 Anguished Unmaking
4 Utter End
2 Aurelia's Fury
Sorceries
6 Descend Upon the Sinful
7 Devout Invocation
3 Entreat the Angels
1 Boros Garrison
1 Boros Guildgate
1 Command Tower
1 Evolving Wilds
1 Forsaken Sanctuary
1 Nomad Outpost
1 Orzhov Basilica
1 Orzhov Guildgate
1 Rupture Spire
1 Scoured Barrens
1 Stone Quarry
1 Terramorphic Expanse
1 Transguild Promenade
1 Wind-Scarred Crag
5 Mountain
7 Plains
3 Swamp
I imagine one of the Angel legends reduces the cost of Angel creature spells you cast.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
Wizard and Zombie are the two tribes that jump out at me in those colors and I really think they are gonna go Race not Class, so I doubt wizards.
The biggest problem here is that if they want to do a C deck, they can't do golems because the splicers are colored and huge for the deck, they can't do scarecrows for a similar reason (the current commander is 5-color/colorless), Myr lose the mana dorks and the blue myr but could work... just not deep and I think cat is the surprise... Construct has similar problems to Myr, which leaves eldrazi... which has similar problems to golems, but could work... as a bonus the colorless basic land is eldrazi themed.
The short of it is that I think they would have a hard time with colorless, but if they did it that I think it pushes for the final deck to be grix.
Alternatively {UB} or {2B} in [mana] tags are (U/B) or (2/B)
T is :symtap: and T will give T in [mana] tags
We won't know till a few more weeks
With any luck another leak will happen before August 14th
Cats and Dragons were apparently leaked. Dragons leaked back in early June. The other two, we don't have a clue what they could be. There is baseless speculation they are Humans and Spirits.
https://twitter.com/blakepr/status/887057029864374272
"You can tell how dumb someone is by how they use Mary Sue"
I swear, if we wait two weeks, just for them to announce "OMG 5 COLOR DRAGONS"...
All I have to say to that is
Why is there no date on that. (When they are doing this.)
EDIT: the final count down is one week after the Gatewatch fig....loose to nicol bolas (episode eight) but really they will be saved by either Samut/hazoret/ajani/or whatever.