I don't know if this has been pointed out, but among the dragon deck leaked cards is Tyrant's Familiar, which uses the Lieutenant mechanic.
It seems extremely unlikely that they would reprint a card with a mechanic that is part of a unique cycle, and not reprint any of the rest.
So for reference, the other 4 cards in that cycle are:
So i guess that could be an indicator as to what the other 2 decks are...
My guess is that Thunderfoot Baloth will be included in the Cats deck,
then i think there will be a WB Angels AND demons deck with the white and black lieutenants
and then a monoblue deck with Wizards theme and a Leviathans subtheme, which will include the blue one.
Thoughts? is there any chance they would reprint only one of the cycle?
Oh really?
If you say they would print that cycle in this.
Why was thunderfoot the one and only one printed in commander 2016.
No... I think Tyrant's familiar is going to be the only one in this Commander set.)
Spirit/human esc tribe/avater has the best chance right now for the other 2 spots.
What the cats and dragons have in common they needed a better commander and also they both have a cat and avater best indication of this being correct is if the cat deck gets a dragon and a spirit (with cat type included Ofcoarse.)
Spirit/human-esque tribe has equal chance as any, except less so than angels or demons, seeing as they're not as iconic.
Going based on that the first deck has a cat-dragon and a dragon-avatar, to assume that the rest will be in the same fashion is a fallacy. It is much more likely and rational that each tribe simply has a tribe-avatar creature leading the fray.
Therefore assuming that spirits have a better chance because of the dragon deck leaks is simply baseless.
Secondly, dragons did not actually need a "good" commander. They have plenty already, spread though tri-color combinations, 2 colors that spread beyond the color for which dragons are iconic, even a 5c one. It's the complete opposite of what cats have had thus far.
If you think that the 4 decks will be Spirits&humans,avatars, dragons and cats, then which one is the "surprising" one? seeing as three of them are not iconic enough to be expected when you don't have the leak. Remember the definition was iconic tribes, not popular ones.
Not to mention. printing 12 new legendaries that all fall under a pattern of 4 tribes would be a waste of potential, a great restriction on the decks' versatility, and a bad move all in all.
Spirits are iconic from kamigawa
And I immensely doubt avatar because it also has to be 5-color like the dragons
(Ps avatar would be more unexspected than cats because in edhrec only 7 Weasley decks)
I want demons believe me they just don't have enough hot sauce stuff for it I tried to convince them they do but they are sure they are not many goods and only useful for kaalia
And I want angels too but because of confirmed not all five-color angels are gone because they forbid no 5-color angel because of Maelstrom Archangel personal I think WBR is all they need so this route is the only hope
Oh by the way wizards I would love that too but is it possible to add some of the WBRG wizards?
By the way for demon and angel theme to work the avatar has to be a angel and demon and have a emnince ability that supports both and get the second one on the field. You know any legends that can could have that? Oh one more thing WB angel/demons working together thing. You need R as well
Perhaps the fourth sister of the innistrad W-x legendaries which avacyn imprisoned in the moon, the WB one? a new one to further the plot of a plane we haven't heard of in a while? (like meren of clan nel-toth was)
But it doesn't have to support both tribes. The Ur-dragon does not support either spirits, avatars, cats, or monks yet they all bear some part in well, its deck.
However it generally still is just speculation.
I never claimed i was sure that angel/demon deck was sure to come, i was just asking if that reprint was a hint.
But still, we have no proof of spirits or of anything else apart from cats and dragons, no matter how likely we think any one of them is.
Wizards will print what they see fit, and as usual, they wont get it right on the first try. After we've all complained on blogatog about what tribes were missing, maybe then we'll see the ones we actually need and want.
If you think that the 4 decks will be Spirits&humans,avatars, dragons and cats, then which one is the "surprising" one? seeing as three of them are not iconic enough to be expected when you don't have the leak. Remember the definition was iconic tribes, not popular ones.
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Interesting is such a relative word, and even within the same tribe styles can vary (like Scion of the Ur-Dragon is combo, Intet, the Dreamer dragons would focus on tribal).
Interesting is such a relative word, and even within the same tribe styles can vary (like Scion of the Ur-Dragon is combo, Intet, the Dreamer dragons would focus on tribal).
Yeah, so is popular. With cats being the second tribe, I really wouldn't be surprised with any tribe in the last two spots.
Way I see it, some of these decks are designed to give players new options they've wanted but never had, like GW Cats, while others provide alternatives to current options, like WUBRG Dragons.
I wouldn't be surprised to see UBR Rogues make the list; Gwendlyn Di Corci is the only option currently available. Although, the lead legend for each deck will most likely be an Avatar, so they might be sticking to tribes that can conceivably have Avatars this time, most likely animaloid races. Maybe a Snake Avatar for GUB Naga/Snake fans? And a Bird Avatar for WU or WUB Bird tribal?
As for class tribal, I'd like to see a future Commander product give us a cycle of class Lords. As in, revive the Lord type so we get a Knight Lord, Wizard Lord, Rogue Lord, etc.
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Esper angel/spirits would be better than human/spirits and makes more sense imo, since angels support spirits better than humans do, and a couple angels even even are spirits.
Esper angel/spirits would be better than human/spirits and makes more sense imo, since angels support spirits better than humans do, and a couple angels even even are spirits.
Yore-Tiller Angels would be far more interesting if you ask me. A five color deck, four color, three color and a two color deck. Could be fun.
That's true you would get win either way.
Problem is spirits have a high chance of a home-run of getting a 4-color deck if they are re one of them with witch-maw (red spirits is the only low color.)
Problem is spirits have a high chance of a home-run of getting a 4-color deck if they are re one of them with witch-maw (red spirits is the only low color.)
I'd be fine with either to be honest. If spirits do get a deck I can see 4 color easily, though I'm still not 100% sold on them being one of the tribes. I believe they have a very good chance, but something tells me it will be either Angels or Spirits. Not Both. Due to personal bias I have to back Angels on that front. However at this point I'm not likely to purchase any of these decks, probably just going to cherry pick after release.
Esper angel/spirits would be better than human/spirits and makes more sense imo, since angels support spirits better than humans do, and a couple angels even even are spirits.
Mardu angels not esper angels.
I'd love that! The Fourth Sister being WB, her demonic dalliance being BR, and a joint card of their union being WBR.
If Angels is one of the decks, I'd like for it to be 5 color Angels, with the Fourth Sister, Feather, and Asha as a GWU Enchantress commander, or have one of the commanders from the Cat deck to be a GW enchantress commander with partner. I'd love for them to use partner at least once this year.
If Angels is one of the decks, I'd like for it to be 5 color Angels, with the Fourth Sister, Feather, and Asha as a GWU Enchantress commander, or have one of the commanders from the Cat deck to be a GW enchantress commander with partner. I'd love for them to use partner at least once this year.
I'd be greatly disappointed (but won't get way too bitter about it, because hey, still Angels if ever) if one of the tribal ends up indeed being Angels and Serra still doesn't get a place, it would be the 3rd time she doesn't get the insert on something that fits hers a lot... (i.e. a) Ajani's first card is a flavour match with Serra (b) She could've been a shoe-in in the Commander that had Teferi and Freyalise.).
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I'd love to see Partner again too, but I don't expect to see more Partner legends until next year or so.
I'd be all for WUBRG Angels. Only problem is that they may not want two different decks having the same color combination.
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I'd be greatly disappointed (but won't get way too bitter about it, because hey, still Angels if ever) if one of the tribal ends up indeed being Angels and Serra still doesn't get a place, it would be the 3rd time she doesn't get the insert on something that fits hers a lot... (i.e. a) Ajani's first card is a flavour match with Serra (b) She could've been a shoe-in in the Commander that had Teferi and Freyalise.).
As much as I want to see Serra I think there are two problems: 1) We haven't seen a new walker created for these commander decks save for the Mono-color Decks a few years ago. 2) Serra was an old walker, and outside of those select commander decks we haven't seen an old walker card.
Personally I felt that Teferi and Freyalise really did not bring the feel of the old walkers to the table and Serra is one I would want to bring that feel. That maybe impossible though given the feats the old Walkers were capable of. I think we are more likely to see something akin to a remade Radiant, Archangel, most likely in WB due to her corruption, as a representation of Serra's realm than Serra herself. None of this is saying they couldn't make a Serra card, I'd love it, I just don't see it sadly.
Unfortunate that his correct the cats not being five color killed the angels hopes for a tribe.
Only hope left is they get a non 5-color deck.
And I can say the following are gone too
Goblin: the goblins vs merfolk deck kills goblins
Vampires, dinosaur, pirate, and merfolk: all of them are gone due to ixalan and rivals of ixalan.
Eldrazi: because cats could very well be the unexspected tribe plus they ar not fun to play against.
Slivers: same reason as angels and Eldrazi combined
Zombie: not necessary out of the running but however by the looks of the two decks they are pointing their fingers at tribes that don't have a good legendary for tribal yet, or need a better one.
Elf: the "guided by nature" deck printed in 2014 is a elf tribal deck plus being reprinted in anthology, and same reason as zombie.
Now from all that the only possible are left.
Wizards: yes they have a good mono blue commander and could be elimitnated from that, but however we could get a wizard commander that not only supports blue but also one to three of WBRG
Spirits: they are logically the most likely for another spot at this point, despite O-kagachi there are still some options for unprinted spirit legends kyodai is a spirit entity from kamigawa and part of O-kagachi for example. Also we have innistrad spirits that have spirit tribal stuff, And spirits are definately extremely popular and that's what they are aiming for in these decks, and also fit the bill of having no tribal commander karador is the only good option, either WBG or WUB is great options but best of all is both combine WUBG (not too many red spirit tribal stuff.)
And one of these if cats is not the unexspected tribe
Snake: this has ben begged for a long time and the one from commander 2015 doesn't cut it not enough tribalsupport goodness and also missing B
Demons: they are popular I can tell you that the only thing that prevents them is you guys doubting it because you feel they are underpowered and need heavy Ramp. No they are not there are better demons than you think and doesn't need to e five color grixis is perfectionist tribal colors.
Avatar: let me explain before you criticize me. Yes I really doubt this is happening first of all. This is simple just a theory from the dragons deck that the other tribes outside dragons was cat, spirit, and human/avatar. Wasitora was a cat and now a cat deck is confirmed, O-kagachi = spirits (this is another reason why spirits is logically another spot by the way.) human is just not popular enough to players (taigam) now avatar is only. A theory due to "The Ur-dragon" and "arahbo" are both avatars which is not a good logical theory, but avatars does get one or two occasions in a set (not all in a row) but the popular factor could be actually a Pantheon tribal (god tribal) being both avatar and god tribal. And we know pantheon enchantment decks are very popular in commander and not budget.
But really I still immensely doubt this because on edhrec it only sported 7 decks that are avatar tribal and also they would not print that many valuable cards (the gods and exspensive enchantments) in one starter deck, and they are not a easy deck for beginners.
The only tribes I see as not being in the running are Elves, Goblins, Slivers and Merfolk. Maybe Zombies but because they are SO popular I could see Wizards taking the easy money and making something like Esper or Grixis Zombies.
As you (Rhyperior74) said Elves had a deck already and Goblins Vs Merfolks is coming out.
Slivers have enough tribal support for commander and we've already had a supplemental product for them. A lot of people seem to forget that.
I don't see how the cat deck kills Angels (I also fail to see how Ixalan kills Vampires, if anything it could help hype the set), thinking on it I believe your earlier assessment of Mardu angels being a strong possibility especially with the reprint of heavenly inferno deck and more Kaalia's being available to players. Personally I never thought the possibility of Angels getting a 5 color deck was very high given how few Green and Blue angels there actually are (Though Esper maybe an interesting Twist). I maintain, as I said before, that I wouldn't be surprised if we had a 5 color, a 4 color, a 3 color and a 2 color deck. Angels slot very well into the 3 color slot, spirits or something like wizards would work very well in the 4 color slot.
Another potential 3 color Deck, that I would actually be pretty excited for, would be Sultai (BUG) Faeries. Part of it is the sort of pun based humor Wizards would enjoy (Bug. Faeries. GET IT!?) and it is also a pretty popular tribe that could use some commander help. I also feel like Faeries in general are going under the radar at the moment because most people would assume it to be a BU deck. However making them Sultai opens a lot of options and allows for some powerful cards, such as Scryb Ranger, to be used alongside the Lorwyn/Shadowmoor Faeries.
Wizards feels stronger than spirits and it isn't that hard to print a spirit wizard legend to give spirit tribal some legs. Given wizards span multiple tribes they can hit a lot of tribes with just one deck. Merfolk, faeries, humans, zombies, etc all have good wizards. It's not hard to add a few spirit wizards to the mix via commander 2017
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The only tribes I see as not being in the running are Elves, Goblins, Slivers and Merfolk. Maybe Zombies but because they are SO popular I could see Wizards taking the easy money and making something like Esper or Grixis Zombies.
As you (Rhyperior74) said Elves had a deck already and Goblins Vs Merfolks is coming out.
Maro said that C17 and MvG were designed independent of one another, so it's quite possible that Merfolk and/or Goblins are among the tribes chosen for C17.
Angels are still a possibility, but we'd probably just end up with RW or RWB Angels as opposed to WUBRG; that said, I would rather they wait until Angels can get a proper WUBRG deck full of multicolor Angel goodness. I could see them printing a Serra PW card with the "can be your commander" ability as a subcommander.
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The only tribes I see as not being in the running are Elves, Goblins, Slivers and Merfolk. Maybe Zombies but because they are SO popular I could see Wizards taking the easy money and making something like Esper or Grixis Zombies.
As you (Rhyperior74) said Elves had a deck already and Goblins Vs Merfolks is coming out.
Maro said that C17 and MvG were designed independent of one another, so it's quite possible that Merfolk and/or Goblins are among the tribes chosen for C17.
Angels are still a possibility, but we'd probably just end up with RW or RWB Angels as opposed to WUBRG; that said, I would rather they wait until Angels can get a proper WUBRG deck full of multicolor Angel goodness. I could see them printing a Serra PW card with the "can be your commander" ability as a subcommander.
As I said in my post I can see Mardu Angels, possibly Esper for a twist on Angels. I never imagined a full WUBRG Angel due to the lack of Angels in Blue and Green. Didn't know that about Merfolk and Goblins, glad to hear it actually. I was mostly confused as to how the Cat Deck meant Angels were out of the running (as Rhyperior said). Also to post Sultai Faeries as a potential.
As I said in my post I can see Mardu Angels, possibly Esper for a twist on Angels. I never imagined a full WUBRG Angel due to the lack of Angels in Blue and Green.
I wouldn't call that a lack of Angels in blue and green. If you were referring to monogreen and monoblue Angels, I understand, but an Angel deck is going to be very white centric anyway, so you simply have to make sure the majority of the colorfixing supports both white and other colors, like using mainly duals and trilands that tap for white mana.
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
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As I said in my post I can see Mardu Angels, possibly Esper for a twist on Angels. I never imagined a full WUBRG Angel due to the lack of Angels in Blue and Green.
I wouldn't call that a lack of Angels in blue and green. If you were referring to monogreen and monoblue Angels, I understand, but an Angel deck is going to be very white centric anyway, so you simply have to make sure the majority of the colorfixing supports both white and other colors, like using mainly duals and trilands that tap for white mana.
Personally I wouldn't count cards like Filigree Angel or Sigarda, Heron's grace as those aren't exactly something I'd look for when building an Angel tribal deck. Both already slot into other decks. Gabriel Angelfire is also, as you said, not likely. Atraxa, Praetors' Voice is another one I don't see coming back any time soon since she was printed last year.
I'm not saying WUBRG angels couldn't happen at some point, or even Bant angels. I just don't see it at this time simply because Black and Red have about twice as many angels when Combined as Blue and Green do. This obviously doesn't take into consideration any angels that might be printed within the set. Also for flavor reasons I've always imagined Angels as falling into the Mardu colors, though that's due to my own personal interpretation so I don't give it much weight.
Boros is also a color combination that most players see as being the worst two color combo in commander, a strong Mardu or Boros deck that can sure up some of the issues would go beyond helping just Angels.
Spirits are iconic from kamigawa
And I immensely doubt avatar because it also has to be 5-color like the dragons
(Ps avatar would be more unexspected than cats because in edhrec only 7 Weasley decks)
I want demons believe me they just don't have enough hot sauce stuff for it I tried to convince them they do but they are sure they are not many goods and only useful for kaalia
And I want angels too but because of confirmed not all five-color angels are gone because they forbid no 5-color angel because of Maelstrom Archangel personal I think WBR is all they need so this route is the only hope
Oh by the way wizards I would love that too but is it possible to add some of the WBRG wizards?
By the way for demon and angel theme to work the avatar has to be a angel and demon and have a emnince ability that supports both and get the second one on the field. You know any legends that can could have that? Oh one more thing WB angel/demons working together thing. You need R as well
Angels
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But it doesn't have to support both tribes. The Ur-dragon does not support either spirits, avatars, cats, or monks yet they all bear some part in well, its deck.
However it generally still is just speculation.
I never claimed i was sure that angel/demon deck was sure to come, i was just asking if that reprint was a hint.
But still, we have no proof of spirits or of anything else apart from cats and dragons, no matter how likely we think any one of them is.
Wizards will print what they see fit, and as usual, they wont get it right on the first try. After we've all complained on blogatog about what tribes were missing, maybe then we'll see the ones we actually need and want.
Actually, it is popular tribes:
"Yes, we are releasing four decks this year instead of the normal five, since this year's theme isn't based on the color wheel but some of Magic's most popular, and interesting, tribes!"
The WB Sister was outright destroyed by Avacyn, as recounted in "A Gaze Blank and Pitiless". Any printing of her will be as a pre-mortem character much like with Reyhan, Last of the Abzan and Ikra Shidiqi, the Usurper.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
Interesting is such a relative word, and even within the same tribe styles can vary (like Scion of the Ur-Dragon is combo, Intet, the Dreamer dragons would focus on tribal).
Shu Yun, the Silent Tempest WUR Voltron Control
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Ra's al Ghul (Sidar Kondo) and Face-Down Ninjas
Brudiclad, Token Engineer
Vaevictis (VV2) the Dire Lantern
Rona, Disciple of Gix
Tiana the Auror
Hallar
Ulrich the Politician
Zur the Rebel
Scorpion, Locust, Scarab, Egyptian Gods
O-Kagachi, Mathas, Mairsil
"Non-Tribal" Tribal Generals, Eggs
I wouldn't be surprised to see UBR Rogues make the list; Gwendlyn Di Corci is the only option currently available. Although, the lead legend for each deck will most likely be an Avatar, so they might be sticking to tribes that can conceivably have Avatars this time, most likely animaloid races. Maybe a Snake Avatar for GUB Naga/Snake fans? And a Bird Avatar for WU or WUB Bird tribal?
As for class tribal, I'd like to see a future Commander product give us a cycle of class Lords. As in, revive the Lord type so we get a Knight Lord, Wizard Lord, Rogue Lord, etc.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
Mardu angels not esper angels.
Yore-Tiller Angels would be far more interesting if you ask me. A five color deck, four color, three color and a two color deck. Could be fun.
RB Olivia Voldaren RB
GB Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons GB
BWR Queen Marchesa BWR
RW Anya, Merciless Angel RW
UW Bruna, Light of Alabaster UW
UB Wydwen, The Biting Gale UB
GU Momir Vig, simic visionary GU
WG Karametra, God of Harvests WG
WUBSydri, Galvanic GeniusWUB
That's true you would get win either way.
Problem is spirits have a high chance of a home-run of getting a 4-color deck if they are re one of them with witch-maw (red spirits is the only low color.)
I'd be fine with either to be honest. If spirits do get a deck I can see 4 color easily, though I'm still not 100% sold on them being one of the tribes. I believe they have a very good chance, but something tells me it will be either Angels or Spirits. Not Both. Due to personal bias I have to back Angels on that front. However at this point I'm not likely to purchase any of these decks, probably just going to cherry pick after release.
RB Olivia Voldaren RB
GB Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons GB
BWR Queen Marchesa BWR
RW Anya, Merciless Angel RW
UW Bruna, Light of Alabaster UW
UB Wydwen, The Biting Gale UB
GU Momir Vig, simic visionary GU
WG Karametra, God of Harvests WG
WUBSydri, Galvanic GeniusWUB
I'd love that! The Fourth Sister being WB, her demonic dalliance being BR, and a joint card of their union being WBR.
Shu Yun, the Silent Tempest WUR Voltron Control
Temmet, Vizier of Naktamun WU Unblockable Mirror Trickery
Ra's al Ghul (Sidar Kondo) and Face-Down Ninjas
Brudiclad, Token Engineer
Vaevictis (VV2) the Dire Lantern
Rona, Disciple of Gix
Tiana the Auror
Hallar
Ulrich the Politician
Zur the Rebel
Scorpion, Locust, Scarab, Egyptian Gods
O-Kagachi, Mathas, Mairsil
"Non-Tribal" Tribal Generals, Eggs
I'd be greatly disappointed (but won't get way too bitter about it, because hey, still Angels if ever) if one of the tribal ends up indeed being Angels and Serra still doesn't get a place, it would be the 3rd time she doesn't get the insert on something that fits hers a lot... (i.e. a) Ajani's first card is a flavour match with Serra (b) She could've been a shoe-in in the Commander that had Teferi and Freyalise.).
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I'd be all for WUBRG Angels. Only problem is that they may not want two different decks having the same color combination.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
As much as I want to see Serra I think there are two problems: 1) We haven't seen a new walker created for these commander decks save for the Mono-color Decks a few years ago. 2) Serra was an old walker, and outside of those select commander decks we haven't seen an old walker card.
Personally I felt that Teferi and Freyalise really did not bring the feel of the old walkers to the table and Serra is one I would want to bring that feel. That maybe impossible though given the feats the old Walkers were capable of. I think we are more likely to see something akin to a remade Radiant, Archangel, most likely in WB due to her corruption, as a representation of Serra's realm than Serra herself. None of this is saying they couldn't make a Serra card, I'd love it, I just don't see it sadly.
RB Olivia Voldaren RB
GB Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons GB
BWR Queen Marchesa BWR
RW Anya, Merciless Angel RW
UW Bruna, Light of Alabaster UW
UB Wydwen, The Biting Gale UB
GU Momir Vig, simic visionary GU
WG Karametra, God of Harvests WG
WUBSydri, Galvanic GeniusWUB
Only hope left is they get a non 5-color deck.
And I can say the following are gone too
Goblin: the goblins vs merfolk deck kills goblins
Vampires, dinosaur, pirate, and merfolk: all of them are gone due to ixalan and rivals of ixalan.
Eldrazi: because cats could very well be the unexspected tribe plus they ar not fun to play against.
Slivers: same reason as angels and Eldrazi combined
Zombie: not necessary out of the running but however by the looks of the two decks they are pointing their fingers at tribes that don't have a good legendary for tribal yet, or need a better one.
Elf: the "guided by nature" deck printed in 2014 is a elf tribal deck plus being reprinted in anthology, and same reason as zombie.
Now from all that the only possible are left.
Wizards: yes they have a good mono blue commander and could be elimitnated from that, but however we could get a wizard commander that not only supports blue but also one to three of WBRG
Spirits: they are logically the most likely for another spot at this point, despite O-kagachi there are still some options for unprinted spirit legends kyodai is a spirit entity from kamigawa and part of O-kagachi for example. Also we have innistrad spirits that have spirit tribal stuff, And spirits are definately extremely popular and that's what they are aiming for in these decks, and also fit the bill of having no tribal commander karador is the only good option, either WBG or WUB is great options but best of all is both combine WUBG (not too many red spirit tribal stuff.)
And one of these if cats is not the unexspected tribe
Snake: this has ben begged for a long time and the one from commander 2015 doesn't cut it not enough tribalsupport goodness and also missing B
Demons: they are popular I can tell you that the only thing that prevents them is you guys doubting it because you feel they are underpowered and need heavy Ramp. No they are not there are better demons than you think and doesn't need to e five color grixis is perfectionist tribal colors.
Avatar: let me explain before you criticize me. Yes I really doubt this is happening first of all. This is simple just a theory from the dragons deck that the other tribes outside dragons was cat, spirit, and human/avatar. Wasitora was a cat and now a cat deck is confirmed, O-kagachi = spirits (this is another reason why spirits is logically another spot by the way.) human is just not popular enough to players (taigam) now avatar is only. A theory due to "The Ur-dragon" and "arahbo" are both avatars which is not a good logical theory, but avatars does get one or two occasions in a set (not all in a row) but the popular factor could be actually a Pantheon tribal (god tribal) being both avatar and god tribal. And we know pantheon enchantment decks are very popular in commander and not budget.
But really I still immensely doubt this because on edhrec it only sported 7 decks that are avatar tribal and also they would not print that many valuable cards (the gods and exspensive enchantments) in one starter deck, and they are not a easy deck for beginners.
As you (Rhyperior74) said Elves had a deck already and Goblins Vs Merfolks is coming out.
Slivers have enough tribal support for commander and we've already had a supplemental product for them. A lot of people seem to forget that.
I don't see how the cat deck kills Angels (I also fail to see how Ixalan kills Vampires, if anything it could help hype the set), thinking on it I believe your earlier assessment of Mardu angels being a strong possibility especially with the reprint of heavenly inferno deck and more Kaalia's being available to players. Personally I never thought the possibility of Angels getting a 5 color deck was very high given how few Green and Blue angels there actually are (Though Esper maybe an interesting Twist). I maintain, as I said before, that I wouldn't be surprised if we had a 5 color, a 4 color, a 3 color and a 2 color deck. Angels slot very well into the 3 color slot, spirits or something like wizards would work very well in the 4 color slot.
Another potential 3 color Deck, that I would actually be pretty excited for, would be Sultai (BUG) Faeries. Part of it is the sort of pun based humor Wizards would enjoy (Bug. Faeries. GET IT!?) and it is also a pretty popular tribe that could use some commander help. I also feel like Faeries in general are going under the radar at the moment because most people would assume it to be a BU deck. However making them Sultai opens a lot of options and allows for some powerful cards, such as Scryb Ranger, to be used alongside the Lorwyn/Shadowmoor Faeries.
RB Olivia Voldaren RB
GB Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons GB
BWR Queen Marchesa BWR
RW Anya, Merciless Angel RW
UW Bruna, Light of Alabaster UW
UB Wydwen, The Biting Gale UB
GU Momir Vig, simic visionary GU
WG Karametra, God of Harvests WG
WUBSydri, Galvanic GeniusWUB
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Maro said that C17 and MvG were designed independent of one another, so it's quite possible that Merfolk and/or Goblins are among the tribes chosen for C17.
Angels are still a possibility, but we'd probably just end up with RW or RWB Angels as opposed to WUBRG; that said, I would rather they wait until Angels can get a proper WUBRG deck full of multicolor Angel goodness. I could see them printing a Serra PW card with the "can be your commander" ability as a subcommander.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
As I said in my post I can see Mardu Angels, possibly Esper for a twist on Angels. I never imagined a full WUBRG Angel due to the lack of Angels in Blue and Green. Didn't know that about Merfolk and Goblins, glad to hear it actually. I was mostly confused as to how the Cat Deck meant Angels were out of the running (as Rhyperior said). Also to post Sultai Faeries as a potential.
RB Olivia Voldaren RB
GB Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons GB
BWR Queen Marchesa BWR
RW Anya, Merciless Angel RW
UW Bruna, Light of Alabaster UW
UB Wydwen, The Biting Gale UB
GU Momir Vig, simic visionary GU
WG Karametra, God of Harvests WG
WUBSydri, Galvanic GeniusWUB
Colorless = Eldrazi and/or Artifact (Golem)
Guild = Cats
Tri/Wedge = (Anything)
Rainbow = Dragon
I wouldn't call that a lack of Angels in blue and green. If you were referring to monogreen and monoblue Angels, I understand, but an Angel deck is going to be very white centric anyway, so you simply have to make sure the majority of the colorfixing supports both white and other colors, like using mainly duals and trilands that tap for white mana.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
Personally I wouldn't count cards like Filigree Angel or Sigarda, Heron's grace as those aren't exactly something I'd look for when building an Angel tribal deck. Both already slot into other decks. Gabriel Angelfire is also, as you said, not likely. Atraxa, Praetors' Voice is another one I don't see coming back any time soon since she was printed last year.
I'm not saying WUBRG angels couldn't happen at some point, or even Bant angels. I just don't see it at this time simply because Black and Red have about twice as many angels when Combined as Blue and Green do. This obviously doesn't take into consideration any angels that might be printed within the set. Also for flavor reasons I've always imagined Angels as falling into the Mardu colors, though that's due to my own personal interpretation so I don't give it much weight.
Boros is also a color combination that most players see as being the worst two color combo in commander, a strong Mardu or Boros deck that can sure up some of the issues would go beyond helping just Angels.
RB Olivia Voldaren RB
GB Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons GB
BWR Queen Marchesa BWR
RW Anya, Merciless Angel RW
UW Bruna, Light of Alabaster UW
UB Wydwen, The Biting Gale UB
GU Momir Vig, simic visionary GU
WG Karametra, God of Harvests WG
WUBSydri, Galvanic GeniusWUB