So I've noticed a lot of the new Dragon deck cards happen to be lore-based or story characters we've heard of but not seen in card form. I know they've made lore characters cards in previous commander sets; And maybe it's just a coincidence that the Dragon deck happens to have a lot of them.
But...
I started thinking about some other story based characters who also fit into some possible tribes. Maybe we can find some hidden spoilers! Here are some of the cards that crossed my mind:
Crucius - A sphinx from Alara was was said to have created Etherium. Not much is known about him because he vanished. Seems artifact based, but could also maybe be worked into a tribal card.
Arixmethes - A Theros "forgotten city" that is actually a Kraken or Leviathan. Probably pretty big.
Colfenor - A pretty old and powerful Treefolk.
Feather - An Angel in the Boros Guild.
Lord Windgrace - A leonin, or cat guy.
Anyone know any other story characters that fit a tribe?
I was thinking Lord Windgrace might be in this Cat deck.
Thraxes could be in the Dragon one.
I suspect Crucius would be in a future product if they do a UR Artifact Legend that has been heavily requested. He'd be the Sphinx PW with artifact abilities like Crucuius of Etherium or something.
Angels could be one of the decks this year, and I'd expect a Serra Planeswalker, Feather, and the 4th Angel Sister
I don't think they're doing Krakens this year sadly, but perhaps they'll do tribal decks again and we'll get Arixmethes as the Eminence commander or something. He's at least a 12/12 (could be a 10/10 with monstrosity or something, but Kiora remarks he is at least as big as Kozilek). IDK whether it's better to get him in Return to Theros or in a Commander product?
1) Taigam (16)
2) Arixmethes (14)
3) Yawgmoth (13)
4) Lord Windgrace (12) -tie
4) Fblthp (12) - tie
6) Feather (11)
7) Xantcha (10)
8) Massacre Girl from Ravnica (6) - tie
8) Archmage Jodah (6) - tie
10) Ashnod (5) - tie
10) The Raven Man (5) -tie
12) Tocasia (4) - tie
12) O-Kagachi (4)- tie
Looks like we're getting Taigam and O-Kagachi so far off this list. I see Windgrace as a potential here too.
I really want Human Wizards to be one of the decks and have Jenrik and Choryu - although they're FAR less popular than some of my other requests. If I could choose, I want Choryu to complete the Kamigawa cycle of characters without cards.
Windgrace is a Planeswalker. He is featured on Planeswalker's Fury and rode with Urza in the Nine Titans during the Phyrexian Invasion of Dominaria. He then sacrificed his spark to seal the time rift over Urborg after infusing his life into the swamp.
Yeah he didn't belong on the Legendary Creature poll, but he got so many votes he was in the poll anyway I guess. MaRo isn't in creative so he may not have known Windgrace isn't a Legend but a PW.
Crucius, Lord Windgrace, Sifa Grent... all are good candidates for a future supplemental product that features planeswalkers. I would be surprised if a tribal product which by definition focusses on creatures (see: creature types) would feature a new planeswalker card. We certainly will get some noncreature cards, but planesewalkers seem too special to make them subservient to a tribal theme.
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Well, since it seems we'll be getting three new mythics per deck, I have to refigure my numbers from earlier in this topic:
12 Mythic Rares (3 per deck)
36 Rares (9 per deck)
4 Uncommons (2 per deck, different pair each deck)
4 Commons (4 per deck)
Although, I suspect there could be six uncommons, three per deck, that represent overlaps between decks. For example, one uncommon appears in both the Cat and Dragon decks. Let's say the other two are Human and Spirit. The six uncommons would be distributed thus:
Cat, Dragon
Cat, Human
Cat, Spirit
Dragon, Human
Dragon, Spirit
Human, Spirit
If this is true, then most likely we get two commons that appear in each deck to keep the rare count even.
12 Mythic Rares (3 per deck)
36 Rares (9 per deck)
6 Uncommons (3 per deck, different trio each deck)
2 Commons (2 per deck)
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
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You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Heck, I'd love it if they reprinted Bloom tender, but that guy is probably destined for a masters set given they let him sit far too long. Joiner Adept is good, but only works in green decks so it's not quite as good as the lantern.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
I'm hoping for Cavern of Souls for at least one of the decks, although I think we'd all love it for all the decks. Some past Commander cards could definitely use another reprinting, like those you listed.
Reflecting Pool was definitely the strangest land not to be included in last years decks, all of them were practically begging for it.
Heck, I'd love it if they reprinted Bloom tender, but that guy is probably destined for a masters set given they let him sit far too long. Joiner Adept is good, but only works in green decks so it's not quite as good as the lantern.
Why only green decks as it pretty much has the same side effect of the lantern?
Ok, you need at least G to use it, But I was talking about the dragons deck which is 5 colors.
It would definitely help in the dragon deck. That and there's no reason they couldn't have both lantern and adept in the same deck since goodness knows a 5 color deck needs em.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Chromatic Lantern just got a print in last year's commander and it still has a high price so if they print it, it will probably just be in 1 deck again. I could see Prismatic Geoscope getting a dragon deck reprint though as it doesn't carry the high price.
I don't see Cavern of Souls though regardless of tribal. The card is simply worth more than the retail price of the deck and they would all be bought out by people trying to make a buck instead of people that want to play the decks. That reason is exactly why WotC says they don't put high value reprints into Duel Decks anymore.
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Well, since it seems we'll be getting three new mythics per deck, I have to refigure my numbers from earlier in this topic:
12 Mythic Rares (3 per deck)
36 Rares (9 per deck)
4 Uncommons (2 per deck, different pair each deck)
4 Commons (4 per deck)
Although, I suspect there could be six uncommons, three per deck, that represent overlaps between decks. For example, one uncommon appears in both the Cat and Dragon decks. Let's say the other two are Human and Spirit. The six uncommons would be distributed thus:
Cat, Dragon
Cat, Human
Cat, Spirit
Dragon, Human
Dragon, Spirit
Human, Spirit
If this is true, then most likely we get two commons that appear in each deck to keep the rare count even.
12 Mythic Rares (3 per deck)
36 Rares (9 per deck)
6 Uncommons (3 per deck, different trio each deck)
2 Commons (2 per deck)
Yeah, 4 commons seems a bit much, considering the fact that each previous Commander series only had one, maybe two, new commons.
Sigh. Tell me about it. Not that she's a wizard but I've been waiting for a Tragic Poet reprint as well in the new border. Not even the Daxos deck had it in 2015. SMH!
I don't know if this has been pointed out, but among the dragon deck leaked cards is Tyrant's Familiar, which uses the Lieutenant mechanic.
It seems extremely unlikely that they would reprint a card with a mechanic that is part of a unique cycle, and not reprint any of the rest.
So for reference, the other 4 cards in that cycle are:
I don't know if this has been pointed out, but among the dragon deck leaked cards is Tyrant's Familiar, which uses the Lieutenant mechanic.
It seems extremely unlikely that they would reprint a card with a mechanic that is part of a unique cycle, and not reprint any of the rest.
So for reference, the other 4 cards in that cycle are:
I don't know if this has been pointed out, but among the dragon deck leaked cards is Tyrant's Familiar, which uses the Lieutenant mechanic.
It seems extremely unlikely that they would reprint a card with a mechanic that is part of a unique cycle, and not reprint any of the rest.
So for reference, the other 4 cards in that cycle are:
So i guess that could be an indicator as to what the other 2 decks are...
My guess is that Thunderfoot Baloth will be included in the Cats deck,
then i think there will be a WB Angels AND demons deck with the white and black lieutenants
and then a monoblue deck with Wizards theme and a Leviathans subtheme, which will include the blue one.
Thoughts? is there any chance they would reprint only one of the cycle?
Oh really?
If you say they would print that cycle in this.
Why was thunderfoot the one and only one printed in commander 2016.
No... I think Tyrant's familiar is going to be the only one in this Commander set.)
Spirit/human esc tribe/avater has the best chance right now for the other 2 spots.
What the cats and dragons have in common they needed a better commander and also they both have a cat and avater best indication of this being correct is if the cat deck gets a dragon and a spirit (with cat type included Ofcoarse.)
Given the sheer volume of different reprint sets they are releasing within close proximity this final half of the year and the first half of the next, we're probably going to see a lot of staples get reprinted. I think the marketing might let them put something valuable in the dragon deck since the over all value of dragons is much lower per card than any other tribal except for maybe demons, but that tribe has Griselbrand, so they may actually have more value. I'm pretty sure after looking at how they are doing the commander products that it isn't the WoTC development team that is limiting what cards are going in these products, but rather some kind of marketing team that is monitoring the secondary market and keeping a giant mega-list of anything over x value (Hence why we never see anything like Archangel of Thune, the praetors, Avacyn, Angel of Hope, etc).
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
I don't know if this has been pointed out, but among the dragon deck leaked cards is Tyrant's Familiar, which uses the Lieutenant mechanic.
It seems extremely unlikely that they would reprint a card with a mechanic that is part of a unique cycle, and not reprint any of the rest.
So for reference, the other 4 cards in that cycle are:
So i guess that could be an indicator as to what the other 2 decks are...
My guess is that Thunderfoot Baloth will be included in the Cats deck,
then i think there will be a WB Angels AND demons deck with the white and black lieutenants
and then a monoblue deck with Wizards theme and a Leviathans subtheme, which will include the blue one.
Thoughts? is there any chance they would reprint only one of the cycle?
Oh really?
If you say they would print that cycle in this.
Why was thunderfoot the one and only one printed in commander 2016.
No... I think Tyrant's familiar is going to be the only one in this Commander set.)
Spirit/human esc tribe/avater has the best chance right now for the other 2 spots.
What the cats and dragons have in common they needed a better commander and also they both have a cat and avater best indication of this being correct is if the cat deck gets a dragon and a spirit (with cat type included Ofcoarse.)
Spirit/human-esque tribe has equal chance as any, except less so than angels or demons, seeing as they're not as iconic.
Going based on that the first deck has a cat-dragon and a dragon-avatar, to assume that the rest will be in the same fashion is a fallacy. It is much more likely and rational that each tribe simply has a tribe-avatar creature leading the fray.
Therefore assuming that spirits have a better chance because of the dragon deck leaks is simply baseless.
Secondly, dragons did not actually need a "good" commander. They have plenty already, spread though tri-color combinations, 2 colors that spread beyond the color for which dragons are iconic, even a 5c one. It's the complete opposite of what cats have had thus far.
If you think that the 4 decks will be Spirits&humans,avatars, dragons and cats, then which one is the "surprising" one? seeing as three of them are not iconic enough to be expected when you don't have the leak. Remember the definition was iconic tribes, not popular ones.
Not to mention. printing 12 new legendaries that all fall under a pattern of 4 tribes would be a waste of potential, a great restriction on the decks' versatility, and a bad move all in all.
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12 Mythic Rares (3 per deck)
36 Rares (9 per deck)
4 Uncommons (2 per deck, different pair each deck)
4 Commons (4 per deck)
Although, I suspect there could be six uncommons, three per deck, that represent overlaps between decks. For example, one uncommon appears in both the Cat and Dragon decks. Let's say the other two are Human and Spirit. The six uncommons would be distributed thus:
Cat, Dragon
Cat, Human
Cat, Spirit
Dragon, Human
Dragon, Spirit
Human, Spirit
If this is true, then most likely we get two commons that appear in each deck to keep the rare count even.
12 Mythic Rares (3 per deck)
36 Rares (9 per deck)
6 Uncommons (3 per deck, different trio each deck)
2 Commons (2 per deck)
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
Source?
I really is this something you came up with on your own.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
I'm going to be furious if they screw that up again and not reprinting them (excluding the lantern.)
Especially because the dragon deck is 5-color
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
I'm hoping for Cavern of Souls for at least one of the decks, although I think we'd all love it for all the decks. Some past Commander cards could definitely use another reprinting, like those you listed.
Reflecting Pool was definitely the strangest land not to be included in last years decks, all of them were practically begging for it.
It would definitely help in the dragon deck. That and there's no reason they couldn't have both lantern and adept in the same deck since goodness knows a 5 color deck needs em.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
I don't see Cavern of Souls though regardless of tribal. The card is simply worth more than the retail price of the deck and they would all be bought out by people trying to make a buck instead of people that want to play the decks. That reason is exactly why WotC says they don't put high value reprints into Duel Decks anymore.
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Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
Along with the MUCH overdue Riptide Laboratory.
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When I get the dragon deck I'm going to put my promo Nicol Bolas, God-pharaoh right into it.
Sigh. Tell me about it. Not that she's a wizard but I've been waiting for a Tragic Poet reprint as well in the new border. Not even the Daxos deck had it in 2015. SMH!
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It seems extremely unlikely that they would reprint a card with a mechanic that is part of a unique cycle, and not reprint any of the rest.
So for reference, the other 4 cards in that cycle are:
Angel: Angelic Field Marshal
Demon: Demon of Wailing Agonies
Kraken: Stormsurge Kraken
Beast: Thunderfoot Baloth
So i guess that could be an indicator as to what the other 2 decks are...
My guess is that Thunderfoot Baloth will be included in the Cats deck,
then i think there will be a WB Angels AND demons deck with the white and black lieutenants
and then a monoblue deck with Wizards theme and a Leviathans subtheme, which will include the blue one.
Thoughts? is there any chance they would reprint only one of the cycle?
Daretti, Scrap Savant in the Breya, Etherium Shaper deck would indicate otherwise.
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Avatar spells you cast cost Avatar less.
Avatars you control get +Avatar/+Avatar and have "whenever this creature attacks or blocks, Avatar."
Oh really?
If you say they would print that cycle in this.
Why was thunderfoot the one and only one printed in commander 2016.
No... I think Tyrant's familiar is going to be the only one in this Commander set.)
Spirit/human esc tribe/avater has the best chance right now for the other 2 spots.
What the cats and dragons have in common they needed a better commander and also they both have a cat and avater best indication of this being correct is if the cat deck gets a dragon and a spirit (with cat type included Ofcoarse.)
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Only the Fire Nation can save us now.
If avatar is a thing
Avatar god is probably what it would be.
And the sub-theme might be this if avatar is a thing
https://www.edhrec.com/tribes/gods
Which would make avatar more sense for possible.
Spirit/human-esque tribe has equal chance as any, except less so than angels or demons, seeing as they're not as iconic.
Going based on that the first deck has a cat-dragon and a dragon-avatar, to assume that the rest will be in the same fashion is a fallacy. It is much more likely and rational that each tribe simply has a tribe-avatar creature leading the fray.
Therefore assuming that spirits have a better chance because of the dragon deck leaks is simply baseless.
Secondly, dragons did not actually need a "good" commander. They have plenty already, spread though tri-color combinations, 2 colors that spread beyond the color for which dragons are iconic, even a 5c one. It's the complete opposite of what cats have had thus far.
If you think that the 4 decks will be Spirits&humans,avatars, dragons and cats, then which one is the "surprising" one? seeing as three of them are not iconic enough to be expected when you don't have the leak. Remember the definition was iconic tribes, not popular ones.
Not to mention. printing 12 new legendaries that all fall under a pattern of 4 tribes would be a waste of potential, a great restriction on the decks' versatility, and a bad move all in all.