For the unexpected tribe, i'm betting on the introduction of the brand new inquisitor creature type. This deck wil only be sold in Spanish.
Ximinez: NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition! Our chief weapon is surprise...surprise and fear...our two weapons are fear and surprise...and ruthless efficiency...our three weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency...and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope...our four...no...amongst our weapons...amongst our weaponry....are such elements as fear, surprise...I'll come in again.
Ximinez: NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition! Amongst our weaponry are such diverse elements as: fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope, and nice red uniforms - oh damn! I can't say it - you'll have to say it. Biggles: What?
Ximinez: You'll have to say the bit about "our chief weapons are..."
Biggles: I couldn't do that...
Biggles: Er...Nobody...um...
Ximinez: Expects.
Biggles: Expects...Nobody expects the...um...the Spanish...um...
Ximinez: Inquisition.
Biggles: I know, I know! Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition. In fact, those who do expect--
Ximinez: Our chief weapons are...
Biggles: Our chief weapons are...um...er...
Ximinez: Surprise...
Biggles: Surprise and--
Ximinez: Okay, stop. Stop. Stop there-- stop there. Stop. Phew! Ah! Our chief weapons are surprise...blah-blah-blah. Cardinal, read the charges.
Fang: You are hereby charged that on diverse dates you did commit heresy against the Holy Church. "My old man said follow the--"
Biggles: That's enough! Now, how do you plead?
Cleveland: We're innocent.
Ximinez: Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! We'll soon change your mind about that! Fear, surprise, and a most ruthless-- Oooooh! Now, Cardinal-- the Rack!
Ximinez: You...Right! Tie her down.
Ximinez: Right! How do you plead?
Cleveland: Innocent!
Ximinez: Ha! Right. Cardinal, give the rack...oh, dear...give the rack a turn.
Biggles: I...
Ximinez: I know, I know you can't. I didn't want to say anything. I just wanted to try and ignore your crass mistake.
Biggles: I...
Ximinez: It makes it all seem so stupid.
Biggles: Shall I...?
Ximinez: No, just pretend for God's sake. Ha! Ha! Ha!
Well, writing this took entirely too much time of my life. I just had to go for the Rack reference...
Anyway, my top ten most likely, in no particular order:
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I'm expecting Esper zombies after all the blue zombies from Innistrad and white zombies from Amonkhet.
I actually don't expect zombies, at all, for two reasons: 1. Standard is currently saturated with zombies between Shadows and Amonkhet, and 2, Vampires are actually a more popular tribe, and has been since Innistrad. We also *need* some good vampire tribal cards, we currently have a grand total of 3 tribal vampire lords, compared to a gazillion zombie ones (seriously, I have a zombie commander deck where nearly every non-legendary zombie is a lord, the one exception is a Zombie dragon, because it comboes with Gisa like you wouldn't believe). One the three tribal vampires is mythic, and not a particularly good one. Not to mention we have a number of Vampire characters that either desperately need new cards (Baron Sengir) or need cards to begin with (Edgar Markov, and the progenitors of the other Innistradi vampire families such as Falkreath and Mauer).
Standard doesn't dictate commander products so its irrelevant if it "saturated". Actually it would make people more inclined to get a Zombie tribal commander deck to put their standard zombies.
These commander products are also heavy on reprints and zombies has far better reprint options then vampires. Alot of zombie lords are in dire of reprints.
And acording to who that vampires are a more popular tribal?
Anyways i still think zombies on the race but i can see vampires also have a shot but not as mutch as zombies.
We have way to many zombie lords and not enough vampire lords, we are also over-saturated on legendary zombie commanders, and have a distinct lack of named zombies that lack cards (or need new cards), while we have many named vampires (as I mentioned above) that either need new cards to get around Reserved List restrictions (Baron Sengir) or haven't gotten a card to begin with (Edgar Markov, the other Innistradi vampire lords). And as I mentioned, Vampires are a lot more popular than Zombies. And finally, we've already gotten two decks with a zombie subtheme in commander, one with Gisa and one with Geralf.
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And as I mentioned, Vampires are a lot more popular than Zombies.
You keep saying that, but you still haven't answered the question of where you got that information.
EDH rec has most popular tribes as: Zombies, Goblins, Elves, Dragon, Sliver then Vampire. At time of writing the difference is about 600 decks difference or a ratio of 1.5/1 zombies to vampire decks.
Eldrazi could easily be done for colourless or better yet a 5c Devoid to enable you to play all of the sweet ones with a colour identity from BFZ.
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EDH BRGKresh the BloodbraidedBRG, A box of lands and ideas.
Modern: RG Titanshift. A deck made of cards too stupid for EDH.
Retired: Lots. More than I feel you should suffer through or I should type out.
And as I mentioned, Vampires are a lot more popular than Zombies.
You keep saying that, but you still haven't answered the question of where you got that information.
EDH rec has most popular tribes as: Zombies, Goblins, Elves, Dragon, Sliver then Vampire. At time of writing the difference is about 600 decks difference or a ratio of 1.5/1 zombies to vampire decks.
Eldrazi could easily be done for colourless or better yet a 5c Devoid to enable you to play all of the sweet ones with a colour identity from BFZ.
Acually 5-C Eldrazi did get Ramos as a commander, who while not fully "Tribal." he hits the things that Eldrazi Tribal really wants.
5-C Identity for all the fun devoid hax..and when Ramos goes off he gets you near pretty much every playable Titan.
And as I mentioned, Vampires are a lot more popular than Zombies.
You keep saying that, but you still haven't answered the question of where you got that information.
EDH rec has most popular tribes as: Zombies, Goblins, Elves, Dragon, Sliver then Vampire. At time of writing the difference is about 600 decks difference or a ratio of 1.5/1 zombies to vampire decks.
Eldrazi could easily be done for colourless or better yet a 5c Devoid to enable you to play all of the sweet ones with a colour identity from BFZ.
Acually 5-C Eldrazi did get Ramos as a commander, who while not fully "Tribal." he hits the things that Eldrazi Tribal really wants.
5-C Identity for all the fun devoid hax..and when Ramos goes off he gets you near pretty much every playable Titan.
We are not getting Eldrazi for, as I mentioned elsewhere, two very specific reasons: There are three named eldrazi, each of them are entirely colorless in both CC and identity. 2. Eldrazi are notoriously unfun to play against.
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It's about time for the reserved list to die, for the sake of Vintage and Legacy (And Commander).
And as I mentioned, Vampires are a lot more popular than Zombies.
You keep saying that, but you still haven't answered the question of where you got that information.
EDH rec has most popular tribes as: Zombies, Goblins, Elves, Dragon, Sliver then Vampire. At time of writing the difference is about 600 decks difference or a ratio of 1.5/1 zombies to vampire decks.
Eldrazi could easily be done for colourless or better yet a 5c Devoid to enable you to play all of the sweet ones with a colour identity from BFZ.
Acually 5-C Eldrazi did get Ramos as a commander, who while not fully "Tribal." he hits the things that Eldrazi Tribal really wants.
5-C Identity for all the fun devoid hax..and when Ramos goes off he gets you near pretty much every playable Titan.
Oh you can't Ramos gets the counter by color identities the devoid sweeps them off he doesn't read the devotion.
If Eldrazi it should be colorless, WOTC needs to produce a colorless EDH product. I think the backlash vs Eldrazu will keep them out. My Kozilek, Butcher of Truth deck would love some new tools though.
The colorless Eldrazi idea sounds too difficult to me, mainly because Wizards caused so much randomness with them in BFZ/OGW. They should have made them all colorless with either the new colorless symbol or just generic mana, even a mix of both would work. If they would be done that we could have had so many Eldrazi to make a deck with and not one that feels so spread out and random.
But, if we do get Eldrazi, I really hope they give us the Old abilities of the titans instead of the new ones. Annihilator is fine for commander, but what I really liked about the Old Eldrazi was their "shuffle your graveyard" effects. Very useful and felt powerful.
And as I mentioned, Vampires are a lot more popular than Zombies.
You keep saying that, but you still haven't answered the question of where you got that information.
EDH rec has most popular tribes as: Zombies, Goblins, Elves, Dragon, Sliver then Vampire. At time of writing the difference is about 600 decks difference or a ratio of 1.5/1 zombies to vampire decks.
Eldrazi could easily be done for colourless or better yet a 5c Devoid to enable you to play all of the sweet ones with a colour identity from BFZ.
Acually 5-C Eldrazi did get Ramos as a commander, who while not fully "Tribal." he hits the things that Eldrazi Tribal really wants.
5-C Identity for all the fun devoid hax..and when Ramos goes off he gets you near pretty much every playable Titan.
We are not getting Eldrazi for, as I mentioned elsewhere, two very specific reasons: There are three named eldrazi, each of them are entirely colorless in both CC and identity. 2. Eldrazi are notoriously unfun to play against.
There are 5 named eldralzi, Emrakul, Kozilek, Ulamog, Hanweir, and Brisela
I'm sorry eldrazi could very well be the unexspected
1# wizard has Ben considering a colorless pre-constructed edh deck and you know this is not colored focused and Eldrazi is pretty much the best option for this catergory.
2# Eldrazi have more love than you think everybody think ages this bait every time the hate is only for wrecking zendikar and now innistrad
3# high chance there are more titans out there besides the 3 known (and emrakuls legendary mutants) they could very well bring those for the commanders of this.
4# I played Eldrazi and I don't see people complaining about them when I ply them besides they are not as unfun as slivers they are even harder to beat besides you need quite a few eldrazis on the field for the, to be screwed.
5# there's ONE opening for Eldrazi (a card not printed) in the story general tazri saw a future version of herself Eldrazified by Kozilek, that could be are commander plus it would fit for devoid 5-color.
6# if colorless simply just print tribal support version of Ulamog, Kozilek, and Emrakul.
You keep saying that, but you still haven't answered the question of where you got that information.
EDH rec has most popular tribes as: Zombies, Goblins, Elves, Dragon, Sliver then Vampire. At time of writing the difference is about 600 decks difference or a ratio of 1.5/1 zombies to vampire decks.
Eldrazi could easily be done for colourless or better yet a 5c Devoid to enable you to play all of the sweet ones with a colour identity from BFZ.
Acually 5-C Eldrazi did get Ramos as a commander, who while not fully "Tribal." he hits the things that Eldrazi Tribal really wants.
5-C Identity for all the fun devoid hax..and when Ramos goes off he gets you near pretty much every playable Titan.
We are not getting Eldrazi for, as I mentioned elsewhere, two very specific reasons: There are three named eldrazi, each of them are entirely colorless in both CC and identity. 2. Eldrazi are notoriously unfun to play against.
There are 5 named eldralzi, Emrakul, Kozilek, Ulamog, Hanweir, and Brisela
Hanweir and Brisela are not true eldrazi, they're mutated into Eldrazi, but they are not true, plane devouring, capable of moving from plane to plane, eldrazi.
I'm sorry eldrazi could very well be the unexspected
1# wizard has Ben considering a colorless pre-constructed edh deck and you know this is not colored focused and Eldrazi is pretty much the best option for this catergory.
2# Eldrazi have more love than you think everybody think ages this bait every time the hate is only for wrecking zendikar and now innistrad
3# high chance there are more titans out there besides the 3 known (and emrakuls legendary mutants) they could very well bring those for the commanders of this.
4# I played Eldrazi and I don't see people complaining about them when I ply them besides they are not as unfun as slivers they are even harder to beat besides you need quite a few eldrazis on the field for the, to be screwed.
5# there's ONE opening for Eldrazi (a card not printed) in the story general tazri saw a future version of herself Eldrazified by Kozilek, that could be are commander plus it would fit for devoid 5-color.
6# if colorless simply just print tribal support version of Ulamog, Kozilek, and Emrakul.
If you think Eldrazi are cool in EDH, then you have never met an Eldrazi deck. I can tell you, it is not fun being forced to sacrifice 5+ permanents every friggin turn.
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There are 5 named eldralzi, Emrakul, Kozilek, Ulamog, Hanweir, and Brisela
Hanweir and Brisela are not true eldrazi, they're mutated into Eldrazi, but they are not true, plane devouring, capable of moving from plane to plane, eldrazi.
So? They are creature type Eldrazi. You act like your personal preferences are any more valid than the preferences of those that think O-Kagachi is more of a Spirit Hydra than a Spirit Dragon.
The existence of Hanweir and Brisela as "technically Eldrazi" is extremely relevant - considering the mention of alternate timeline Tazri and also just considering the general fact that "legendary Eldrazi"/"named eldrazi" no longer is synonymous with "Eldrazi Titan".
As you can read up above you talk about "named eldrazi" rather than "named true, plane devouring, capable of moving from plane to plane, eldrazi" so adding to your list of three seems perfectly appropriate especially since there is no rule making future Eldrazi cards that are not Eldrazi Titans yet still can be commanders impossible - which is really all that is relevant for this thread.
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Planar Chaos was not a mistake neither was it random. You might want to look at it again.
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EDH rec has most popular tribes as: Zombies, Goblins, Elves, Dragon, Sliver then Vampire. At time of writing the difference is about 600 decks difference or a ratio of 1.5/1 zombies to vampire decks.
Eldrazi could easily be done for colourless or better yet a 5c Devoid to enable you to play all of the sweet ones with a colour identity from BFZ.
Acually 5-C Eldrazi did get Ramos as a commander, who while not fully "Tribal." he hits the things that Eldrazi Tribal really wants.
5-C Identity for all the fun devoid hax..and when Ramos goes off he gets you near pretty much every playable Titan.
We are not getting Eldrazi for, as I mentioned elsewhere, two very specific reasons: There are three named eldrazi, each of them are entirely colorless in both CC and identity. 2. Eldrazi are notoriously unfun to play against.
There are 5 named eldralzi, Emrakul, Kozilek, Ulamog, Hanweir, and Brisela
Hanweir and Brisela are not true eldrazi, they're mutated into Eldrazi, but they are not true, plane devouring, capable of moving from plane to plane, eldrazi.
I'm sorry eldrazi could very well be the unexspected
1# wizard has Ben considering a colorless pre-constructed edh deck and you know this is not colored focused and Eldrazi is pretty much the best option for this catergory.
2# Eldrazi have more love than you think everybody think ages this bait every time the hate is only for wrecking zendikar and now innistrad
3# high chance there are more titans out there besides the 3 known (and emrakuls legendary mutants) they could very well bring those for the commanders of this.
4# I played Eldrazi and I don't see people complaining about them when I ply them besides they are not as unfun as slivers they are even harder to beat besides you need quite a few eldrazis on the field for the, to be screwed.
5# there's ONE opening for Eldrazi (a card not printed) in the story general tazri saw a future version of herself Eldrazified by Kozilek, that could be are commander plus it would fit for devoid 5-color.
6# if colorless simply just print tribal support version of Ulamog, Kozilek, and Emrakul.
If you think Eldrazi are cool in EDH, then you have never met an Eldrazi deck. I can tell you, it is not fun being forced to sacrifice 5+ permanents every friggin turn.
Incorrect
I have ran into Eldrazi stuff before
Last week a player did show and tell one of the players brought out old Ulamog attack me because I was the most dangerous
I had to concede but I'm not overly upset because that's a legit reason but just before I left someone bounced it back to his hand.
Also have Ben a target for New Emrakul and my forced stupid mistake is putting my commander in the graveyard instead of the zone.
And a few Eldrazi cards/decks I had to deal with on a program I do called xmage (best freeware mtg source.) and those have Ben either easy to beat or worst nightmare.
Acually 5-C Eldrazi did get Ramos as a commander, who while not fully "Tribal." he hits the things that Eldrazi Tribal really wants.
5-C Identity for all the fun devoid hax..and when Ramos goes off he gets you near pretty much every playable Titan.
We are not getting Eldrazi for, as I mentioned elsewhere, two very specific reasons: There are three named eldrazi, each of them are entirely colorless in both CC and identity. 2. Eldrazi are notoriously unfun to play against.
There are 5 named eldralzi, Emrakul, Kozilek, Ulamog, Hanweir, and Brisela
Hanweir and Brisela are not true eldrazi, they're mutated into Eldrazi, but they are not true, plane devouring, capable of moving from plane to plane, eldrazi.
I'm sorry eldrazi could very well be the unexspected
1# wizard has Ben considering a colorless pre-constructed edh deck and you know this is not colored focused and Eldrazi is pretty much the best option for this catergory.
2# Eldrazi have more love than you think everybody think ages this bait every time the hate is only for wrecking zendikar and now innistrad
3# high chance there are more titans out there besides the 3 known (and emrakuls legendary mutants) they could very well bring those for the commanders of this.
4# I played Eldrazi and I don't see people complaining about them when I ply them besides they are not as unfun as slivers they are even harder to beat besides you need quite a few eldrazis on the field for the, to be screwed.
5# there's ONE opening for Eldrazi (a card not printed) in the story general tazri saw a future version of herself Eldrazified by Kozilek, that could be are commander plus it would fit for devoid 5-color.
6# if colorless simply just print tribal support version of Ulamog, Kozilek, and Emrakul.
If you think Eldrazi are cool in EDH, then you have never met an Eldrazi deck. I can tell you, it is not fun being forced to sacrifice 5+ permanents every friggin turn.
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I have ran into Eldrazi stuff before
Last week a player did show and tell one of the players brought out old Ulamog attack me because I was the most dangerous
I had to concede but I'm not overly upset because that's a legit reason but just before I left someone bounced it back to his hand.
Also have Ben a target for New Emrakul and my forced stupid mistake is putting my commander in the graveyard instead of the zone.
And a few Eldrazi cards/decks I had to deal with on a program I do called xmage (best freeware mtg source.) and those have Ben either easy to beat or worst nightmare.
Being able to Show and Tell out an Eldrazi does not an eldrazi deck make. I can tell you from experience, playing against a deck that mills you for 20 every time the commander attacks, or that forces you to sacrifice 8+ permanents each turn is not fun. You said it yourself, you'd be forced to concede if not another person at the table was lucky and had bounce. Now imagine if it got to attack a couple of times before removed. Or worse, it had been equipped with Swiftfoot Boots or Lightning Greaves and the only way to get rid of it was Final Judgment. Not so funny now. Eldrazi sucks to play against. There is a reason why WotC considers Annihilator a mistake.
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We are not getting Eldrazi for, as I mentioned elsewhere, two very specific reasons: There are three named eldrazi, each of them are entirely colorless in both CC and identity. 2. Eldrazi are notoriously unfun to play against.
There are 5 named eldralzi, Emrakul, Kozilek, Ulamog, Hanweir, and Brisela
Hanweir and Brisela are not true eldrazi, they're mutated into Eldrazi, but they are not true, plane devouring, capable of moving from plane to plane, eldrazi.
I'm sorry eldrazi could very well be the unexspected
1# wizard has Ben considering a colorless pre-constructed edh deck and you know this is not colored focused and Eldrazi is pretty much the best option for this catergory.
2# Eldrazi have more love than you think everybody think ages this bait every time the hate is only for wrecking zendikar and now innistrad
3# high chance there are more titans out there besides the 3 known (and emrakuls legendary mutants) they could very well bring those for the commanders of this.
4# I played Eldrazi and I don't see people complaining about them when I ply them besides they are not as unfun as slivers they are even harder to beat besides you need quite a few eldrazis on the field for the, to be screwed.
5# there's ONE opening for Eldrazi (a card not printed) in the story general tazri saw a future version of herself Eldrazified by Kozilek, that could be are commander plus it would fit for devoid 5-color.
6# if colorless simply just print tribal support version of Ulamog, Kozilek, and Emrakul.
If you think Eldrazi are cool in EDH, then you have never met an Eldrazi deck. I can tell you, it is not fun being forced to sacrifice 5+ permanents every friggin turn.
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I have ran into Eldrazi stuff before
Last week a player did show and tell one of the players brought out old Ulamog attack me because I was the most dangerous
I had to concede but I'm not overly upset because that's a legit reason but just before I left someone bounced it back to his hand.
Also have Ben a target for New Emrakul and my forced stupid mistake is putting my commander in the graveyard instead of the zone.
And a few Eldrazi cards/decks I had to deal with on a program I do called xmage (best freeware mtg source.) and those have Ben either easy to beat or worst nightmare.
Being able to Show and Tell out an Eldrazi does not an eldrazi deck make. I can tell you from experience, playing against a deck that mills you for 20 every time the commander attacks, or that forces you to sacrifice 8+ permanents each turn is not fun. You said it yourself, you'd be forced to concede if not another person at the table was lucky and had bounce. Now imagine if it got to attack a couple of times before removed. Or worse, it had been equipped with Swiftfoot Boots or Lightning Greaves and the only way to get rid of it was Final Judgment. Not so funny now. Eldrazi sucks to play against. There is a reason why WotC considers Annihilator a mistake.
I'm telling ya I faced Eldrazi stuff before
Oh by the way the Ulamog was not in the same deck as the show in tell someone else played that and the other player tutored Ulamog to his hand and just played it
And yes Eldrazi can make you loose just like that and can be unfun
But I know how to deal with them because I know m my own deck if Old Ulamog or old kozielk is in a non Eldrazi deck it's because they are guarding their deck from mill.
I'm just saying Eldrazi is possible because a deck could be colorless it may actually be construct/golem/Myr for robot esc theme tribal.
But more likely for unexspected could be the following
Knight
Spirit
Werewolf (doubt it)
Dinosaur/pirate (doubt it)
Scarecrow
Ninja (not enough but could be unexspected)
Snake
Spider
Insect
And finaly eldrazi or sliver (simply because non casual and unfun really really doubt either will make it.)
And for my biggest theory of them all
I feel like the unexspected could be something like Karona, False God but much much better and actually has a static lord ability for the chosen type and have with "becomes the chosen creature type" or changeling esc ability
why do we have so many pages dedicated to pushing eldrazi?
it won't be eldrazi.
the only way to make it eldrazi is to print eldrazi legends that are five colors, otherwise the spectrum is extremely narrow. once you do that you open up the entire tribe to abusing anything with annihilator on it, or more easily vomitting out ulamogs. you have to think about context beyond just that precon people come on.
A Devoid legend with WUBRG identity seems like the most direct solution, although there is a twisted irony to the idea of Tazri but for Eldrazi; a legendary Eldrazi Human with mana cost of 4W, Devoid, an Eldrazi tutoring ability, and a WUBRG activated ability that, I dunno, produces Eldrazi Scions or simply pumps your Eldrazi somehow?
Or they could simply come up with a new WUBRG Devoid legend, perhaps one that interacts with colorless mana and/or cards. Maybe it lets you spend colorless mana as though it were mana of any color? Could they experiment with a colorless hybrid mana cost, Reaper King-style? That would allow you to cast the legend without actually having all five colors of mana, and in fact would make it easier to cast with just colorless mana-producing Wastes and utility lands. You could have a technical all-colorless deck that only uses colorless mana while also having the five-color identity to run all the Eldrazi.
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
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You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
Reprinting the ten Ninjas that exist? If half your creature selection has to be changelings, then it probably isn't a viable tribe to support at this time. Push for more worlds with Ninjas in them, and then we can make it happen.
I posted it half-jokingly ("unsuspected" and all that), but it wouldn't be all that hard for them to make a Ninja deck if they put their minds to it. Reprint the 10 they have, print 10 new ones, add 10 non-ninja utility creatures, and call it a day. If they wanted to they can.
Ximinez: NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition! Amongst our weaponry are such diverse elements as: fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope, and nice red uniforms - oh damn! I can't say it - you'll have to say it.
Biggles: What?
Ximinez: You'll have to say the bit about "our chief weapons are..."
Biggles: I couldn't do that...
Biggles: Er...Nobody...um...
Ximinez: Expects.
Biggles: Expects...Nobody expects the...um...the Spanish...um...
Ximinez: Inquisition.
Biggles: I know, I know! Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition. In fact, those who do expect--
Ximinez: Our chief weapons are...
Biggles: Our chief weapons are...um...er...
Ximinez: Surprise...
Biggles: Surprise and--
Ximinez: Okay, stop. Stop. Stop there-- stop there. Stop. Phew! Ah! Our chief weapons are surprise...blah-blah-blah. Cardinal, read the charges.
Fang: You are hereby charged that on diverse dates you did commit heresy against the Holy Church. "My old man said follow the--"
Biggles: That's enough! Now, how do you plead?
Cleveland: We're innocent.
Ximinez: Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! We'll soon change your mind about that! Fear, surprise, and a most ruthless-- Oooooh! Now, Cardinal-- the Rack!
Ximinez: You...Right! Tie her down.
Ximinez: Right! How do you plead?
Cleveland: Innocent!
Ximinez: Ha! Right. Cardinal, give the rack...oh, dear...give the rack a turn.
Biggles: I...
Ximinez: I know, I know you can't. I didn't want to say anything. I just wanted to try and ignore your crass mistake.
Biggles: I...
Ximinez: It makes it all seem so stupid.
Biggles: Shall I...?
Ximinez: No, just pretend for God's sake. Ha! Ha! Ha!
Well, writing this took entirely too much time of my life. I just had to go for the Rack reference...
Anyway, my top ten most likely, in no particular order:
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
We have way to many zombie lords and not enough vampire lords, we are also over-saturated on legendary zombie commanders, and have a distinct lack of named zombies that lack cards (or need new cards), while we have many named vampires (as I mentioned above) that either need new cards to get around Reserved List restrictions (Baron Sengir) or haven't gotten a card to begin with (Edgar Markov, the other Innistradi vampire lords). And as I mentioned, Vampires are a lot more popular than Zombies. And finally, we've already gotten two decks with a zombie subtheme in commander, one with Gisa and one with Geralf.
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EDH rec has most popular tribes as: Zombies, Goblins, Elves, Dragon, Sliver then Vampire. At time of writing the difference is about 600 decks difference or a ratio of 1.5/1 zombies to vampire decks.
Eldrazi could easily be done for colourless or better yet a 5c Devoid to enable you to play all of the sweet ones with a colour identity from BFZ.
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Modern:
RG Titanshift. A deck made of cards too stupid for EDH.
Retired: Lots. More than I feel you should suffer through or I should type out.
Acually 5-C Eldrazi did get Ramos as a commander, who while not fully "Tribal." he hits the things that Eldrazi Tribal really wants.
5-C Identity for all the fun devoid hax..and when Ramos goes off he gets you near pretty much every playable Titan.
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Gonti, Lord of Luxury
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Hive World
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We are not getting Eldrazi for, as I mentioned elsewhere, two very specific reasons: There are three named eldrazi, each of them are entirely colorless in both CC and identity. 2. Eldrazi are notoriously unfun to play against.
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Oh you can't Ramos gets the counter by color identities the devoid sweeps them off he doesn't read the devotion.
But, if we do get Eldrazi, I really hope they give us the Old abilities of the titans instead of the new ones. Annihilator is fine for commander, but what I really liked about the Old Eldrazi was their "shuffle your graveyard" effects. Very useful and felt powerful.
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Commander: Allies & Adversaries
Seriously.
This forum gets fixated on something and goes full tourettes with it.
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Cards I still want to see created:
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There are 5 named eldralzi, Emrakul, Kozilek, Ulamog, Hanweir, and Brisela
1# wizard has Ben considering a colorless pre-constructed edh deck and you know this is not colored focused and Eldrazi is pretty much the best option for this catergory.
2# Eldrazi have more love than you think everybody think ages this bait every time the hate is only for wrecking zendikar and now innistrad
3# high chance there are more titans out there besides the 3 known (and emrakuls legendary mutants) they could very well bring those for the commanders of this.
4# I played Eldrazi and I don't see people complaining about them when I ply them besides they are not as unfun as slivers they are even harder to beat besides you need quite a few eldrazis on the field for the, to be screwed.
5# there's ONE opening for Eldrazi (a card not printed) in the story general tazri saw a future version of herself Eldrazified by Kozilek, that could be are commander plus it would fit for devoid 5-color.
6# if colorless simply just print tribal support version of Ulamog, Kozilek, and Emrakul.
Hanweir and Brisela are not true eldrazi, they're mutated into Eldrazi, but they are not true, plane devouring, capable of moving from plane to plane, eldrazi.
If you think Eldrazi are cool in EDH, then you have never met an Eldrazi deck. I can tell you, it is not fun being forced to sacrifice 5+ permanents every friggin turn.
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So? They are creature type Eldrazi. You act like your personal preferences are any more valid than the preferences of those that think O-Kagachi is more of a Spirit Hydra than a Spirit Dragon.
The existence of Hanweir and Brisela as "technically Eldrazi" is extremely relevant - considering the mention of alternate timeline Tazri and also just considering the general fact that "legendary Eldrazi"/"named eldrazi" no longer is synonymous with "Eldrazi Titan".
As you can read up above you talk about "named eldrazi" rather than "named true, plane devouring, capable of moving from plane to plane, eldrazi" so adding to your list of three seems perfectly appropriate especially since there is no rule making future Eldrazi cards that are not Eldrazi Titans yet still can be commanders impossible - which is really all that is relevant for this thread.
Finally a good white villain quote: "So, do I ever re-evaluate my life choices? Never, because I know what I'm doing is a righteous cause."
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I have ran into Eldrazi stuff before
Last week a player did show and tell one of the players brought out old Ulamog attack me because I was the most dangerous
I had to concede but I'm not overly upset because that's a legit reason but just before I left someone bounced it back to his hand.
Also have Ben a target for New Emrakul and my forced stupid mistake is putting my commander in the graveyard instead of the zone.
And a few Eldrazi cards/decks I had to deal with on a program I do called xmage (best freeware mtg source.) and those have Ben either easy to beat or worst nightmare.
Being able to Show and Tell out an Eldrazi does not an eldrazi deck make. I can tell you from experience, playing against a deck that mills you for 20 every time the commander attacks, or that forces you to sacrifice 8+ permanents each turn is not fun. You said it yourself, you'd be forced to concede if not another person at the table was lucky and had bounce. Now imagine if it got to attack a couple of times before removed. Or worse, it had been equipped with Swiftfoot Boots or Lightning Greaves and the only way to get rid of it was Final Judgment. Not so funny now. Eldrazi sucks to play against. There is a reason why WotC considers Annihilator a mistake.
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Numquam evolutioni obstes. Solum conculceris.
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I'm telling ya I faced Eldrazi stuff before
Oh by the way the Ulamog was not in the same deck as the show in tell someone else played that and the other player tutored Ulamog to his hand and just played it
And yes Eldrazi can make you loose just like that and can be unfun
But I know how to deal with them because I know m my own deck if Old Ulamog or old kozielk is in a non Eldrazi deck it's because they are guarding their deck from mill.
I'm just saying Eldrazi is possible because a deck could be colorless it may actually be construct/golem/Myr for robot esc theme tribal.
But more likely for unexspected could be the following
Knight
Spirit
Werewolf (doubt it)
Dinosaur/pirate (doubt it)
Scarecrow
Ninja (not enough but could be unexspected)
Snake
Spider
Insect
And finaly eldrazi or sliver (simply because non casual and unfun really really doubt either will make it.)
And for my biggest theory of them all
I feel like the unexspected could be something like Karona, False God but much much better and actually has a static lord ability for the chosen type and have with "becomes the chosen creature type" or changeling esc ability
Or B a legends matter deck
it won't be eldrazi.
the only way to make it eldrazi is to print eldrazi legends that are five colors, otherwise the spectrum is extremely narrow. once you do that you open up the entire tribe to abusing anything with annihilator on it, or more easily vomitting out ulamogs. you have to think about context beyond just that precon people come on.
Or they could simply come up with a new WUBRG Devoid legend, perhaps one that interacts with colorless mana and/or cards. Maybe it lets you spend colorless mana as though it were mana of any color? Could they experiment with a colorless hybrid mana cost, Reaper King-style? That would allow you to cast the legend without actually having all five colors of mana, and in fact would make it easier to cast with just colorless mana-producing Wastes and utility lands. You could have a technical all-colorless deck that only uses colorless mana while also having the five-color identity to run all the Eldrazi.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
I posted it half-jokingly ("unsuspected" and all that), but it wouldn't be all that hard for them to make a Ninja deck if they put their minds to it. Reprint the 10 they have, print 10 new ones, add 10 non-ninja utility creatures, and call it a day. If they wanted to they can.
Link please.
I want to know tribe number 2
If it's cats it's looking more than good for the legendary dragons reveal the tribes theory
So, with Cats (confirmed?) I feel like that takes out the small tribe in my list that I had soldiers/knights in.
And as was mentioned earlier, Eminence isn't just a discount, perfect mechanic for tribal.
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