Not all the decks need to be 5 color. The entire point is that these are not color-wheel based, but tribe based. It made sense dragons would be 5 color because Scion is 5 color, and Ur Dragon would be expected to be, O-Kagachi would be as well, and it would need to be 5 color to accommodate a diversity of dragons for Scion in the event he is the commander Dragon players choose (which is likely). Or to have Ur Dragon's Eminence ability be relevant. Not to mention that Tarkir cycle, and Taigam requiring UW.
I definitely think Angels will be one. I don't expect the 4th angel sister because this set was probably designed before that story. Serra I expect. Could have a Cleric sub-theme.
I'd love some Mono-Blue Wizards. Or UR, whatever.
Sea Serpent, Kraken, Leviathan, Octopus oceanic monster would be a dream but I'm not seeing it.
Not all the decks need to be 5 color. The entire point is that these are not color-wheel based, but tribe based. It made sense dragons would be 5 color because Scion is 5 color, and Ur Dragon would be expected to be, O-Kagachi would be as well, and it would need to be 5 color to accommodate a diversity of dragons for Scion in the event he is the commander Dragon players choose (which is likely). Or to have Ur Dragon's Eminence ability be relevant. Not to mention that Tarkir cycle, and Taigam requiring UW.
I definitely think Angels will be one. I don't expect the 4th angel sister because this set was probably designed before that story. Serra I expect. Could have a Cleric sub-theme.
I'd love some Mono-Blue Wizards. Or UR, whatever.
Sea Serpent, Kraken, Leviathan, Octopus oceanic monster would be a dream but I'm not seeing it.
Agreed that people assuming each of the decks are five colored, when we have gotten no indication that the commmander 2017 decks are such, is quite premature.
All we actually know (besides the dragon deck being five color) is that they are based around popular tribes, and one is (mostly) unexpected. Given that we know that one of the tribes is five color dragons, arguably the most popular tribe in M:TG, we should think along the lines of other popular tribes.
We can probably discount slivers, for two very simple reasons: WotC are unlikely to create three new legendary five color slivers, and they know that if we get slivers and they aren't five color, we would riot.
So what other popular tribes do we have, well, both zombies, demons and vampires are immensely popular black aligned tribes, however, demons aren't exactly playable as a tribe, and given the glut of zombies in standard, I think that of the three Vampires are the safest bet. Since the original Innistrad they have been the single most popular black aligned tribe, additionally, there are a number of named famous vampires that still lack cards, or are in dire need of getting a new card. Such as the progenitor of the Markov line of vampires, (as well as other Innistradi vampire bloodlines), not to mention the good Baron himself, who deserves an updated grixis colored card. As such I am of the belief that we will likely get a Grixis (UBR) colored vampire tribal deck, with Baron Sengir, Edgar Markov, and another tri-colored vampire legend. Also I'd really want to see Castle Sengir reprinted with new art and the new frame, mostly because it would be funny.
As for other tribes, Elves are also immensely popular, and would also work well in three colors, specifically Abzan (GWB). An abzan colored elf-tribal legend would be great, and would open up so many potential deck builds. It's also pretty much the most popular green tribe.
As for the last deck, I fully expect a two colored deck, as for what tribe, there are many two colored tribes that are highly popular. Many of which need more tribal support. Since it would be unexpected (but popular) it is difficult to anticipate what it could be.
One tribe I am 100% certain we will not see is Eldrazi. The reason for this is quite simple, there are three named eldrazi, they are all colorless, we lack a decent number of actual colorless (non-devoid) eldrazi, and those we have are notoriously unfun to play against.
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Look at the Ur Dragon. Eminence. Discounting large expensive tribal creature spells that are popular.
I wonder what other large, popular creature spells a tribal commander might want to have Eminence in order to discount?
Angels for one.
That mechanic wasn't created for just one card. And I doubt it'll discount efficient decks like Elves who don't need it. Think big CMC.
This would only be true if Eminence was a keyword, but it's not, it's an ability word like Lieutenant.
EXAMPLE: VAMPLORDUBR
Legendary Creature - Vampire Eminence - As long as [VAMPLORD] is in your command zone or on the battlefield, other [Vampire] creatures you control enter the battlefield with a +1/+1 counter on them.
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Not all the decks need to be 5 color. The entire point is that these are not color-wheel based, but tribe based. It made sense dragons would be 5 color because Scion is 5 color, and Ur Dragon would be expected to be, O-Kagachi would be as well, and it would need to be 5 color to accommodate a diversity of dragons for Scion in the event he is the commander Dragon players choose (which is likely). Or to have Ur Dragon's Eminence ability be relevant. Not to mention that Tarkir cycle, and Taigam requiring UW.
I definitely think Angels will be one. I don't expect the 4th angel sister because this set was probably designed before that story. Serra I expect. Could have a Cleric sub-theme.
I'd love some Mono-Blue Wizards. Or UR, whatever.
Sea Serpent, Kraken, Leviathan, Octopus oceanic monster would be a dream but I'm not seeing it.
Agreed that people assuming each of the decks are five colored, when we have gotten no indication that the commmander 2017 decks are such, is quite premature.
All we actually know (besides the dragon deck being five color) is that they are based around popular tribes, and one is (mostly) unexpected. Given that we know that one of the tribes is five color dragons, arguably the most popular tribe in M:TG, we should think along the lines of other popular tribes.
We can probably discount slivers, for two very simple reasons: WotC are unlikely to create three new legendary five color slivers, and they know that if we get slivers and they aren't five color, we would riot.
So what other popular tribes do we have, well, both zombies, demons and vampires are immensely popular black aligned tribes, however, demons aren't exactly playable as a tribe, and given the glut of zombies in standard, I think that of the three Vampires are the safest bet. Since the original Innistrad they have been the single most popular black aligned tribe, additionally, there are a number of named famous vampires that still lack cards, or are in dire need of getting a new card. Such as the progenitor of the Markov line of vampires, (as well as other Innistradi vampire bloodlines), not to mention the good Baron himself, who deserves an updated grixis colored card. As such I am of the belief that we will likely get a Grixis (UBR) colored vampire tribal deck, with Baron Sengir, Edgar Markov, and another tri-colored vampire legend. Also I'd really want to see Castle Sengir reprinted with new art and the new frame, mostly because it would be funny.
As for other tribes, Elves are also immensely popular, and would also work well in three colors, specifically Abzan (GWB). An abzan colored elf-tribal legend would be great, and would open up so many potential deck builds. It's also pretty much the most popular green tribe.
As for the last deck, I fully expect a two colored deck, as for what tribe, there are many two colored tribes that are highly popular. Many of which need more tribal support. Since it would be unexpected (but popular) it is difficult to anticipate what it could be.
One tribe I am 100% certain we will not see is Eldrazi. The reason for this is quite simple, there are three named eldrazi, they are all colorless, we lack a decent number of actual colorless (non-devoid) eldrazi, and those we have are notoriously unfun to play against.
Yes I agree as well not enough evidence that all decks are five color
And vampire is indeed a safe bet because we got BR leader but need a vampire tribal with either/both WU added.
Elfs is not a safe bet and that's because of the "guided by nature" deck which is pretty much elf tribal and it's being reprinted right now in anthology. But on the other hand "leovold" added UB elfs and now he's banne eye could make a elf tribal just so you can put in WUB to the already mono green elfs
Another option is wizard since from a article from earlier wizards is in most popular tribes of all time catergory and there's plenty of wizards outside blue that are incredible.
As for unexspected could be one of these of any combination.
Spirit: these guys have a ton of tribal support spirits and in all colors but non-red (witch-maw) is the best case scenario because of amazing stuff in those colors, if we don't get spirits we still win because of O-kagachi being in the dragons so a eons better option than karador.
Dinosaur or pirate: if one of these got in it would be due to ixalan for advertizement dinosaurs is higher because they are popular and iconic (just not in mtg...yet) but however not very likely because of two reasons one legends that are tribal support of both are going to be in ixalan and I doubt they would print the ixalan cards in commander 2017 first.
Knight: this is a tribe that needs more love and does have enough for tribal creature card and the best option and I ave heard it requested.
That's the best I can think of outside 5 color of unexspected.
The Myr race has not enough members to field a full deck - especially once you remove the colored mana producers.
I'm not certain about whether Golems have enough members to field a good deck, but a colorless Golem tribal deck would intentionally avoid the most prolific Golem tribal support in form of the splicer cards. That seems like a miss-application of the potential of the tribe.
Bant or Orzhov angels.
I also expect Angel as the next most likely tribe with Dragon confirmed.
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I really love new Dragon Deck and I'm really impressed by Ramos and by The Ur-Dragon. I want to play big penta-dragons as soon as possible.
Also I would really love to see an Angel 5C deck. Also with an Eminence tribal ability, for example when an angel attack get +1/+1 or something similar.
Not all the decks need to be 5 color. The entire point is that these are not color-wheel based, but tribe based. It made sense dragons would be 5 color because Scion is 5 color, and Ur Dragon would be expected to be, O-Kagachi would be as well, and it would need to be 5 color to accommodate a diversity of dragons for Scion in the event he is the commander Dragon players choose (which is likely). Or to have Ur Dragon's Eminence ability be relevant. Not to mention that Tarkir cycle, and Taigam requiring UW.
I definitely think Angels will be one. I don't expect the 4th angel sister because this set was probably designed before that story. Serra I expect. Could have a Cleric sub-theme.
I'd love some Mono-Blue Wizards. Or UR, whatever.
Sea Serpent, Kraken, Leviathan, Octopus oceanic monster would be a dream but I'm not seeing it.
Agreed that people assuming each of the decks are five colored, when we have gotten no indication that the commmander 2017 decks are such, is quite premature.
All we actually know (besides the dragon deck being five color) is that they are based around popular tribes, and one is (mostly) unexpected. Given that we know that one of the tribes is five color dragons, arguably the most popular tribe in M:TG, we should think along the lines of other popular tribes.
We can probably discount slivers, for two very simple reasons: WotC are unlikely to create three new legendary five color slivers, and they know that if we get slivers and they aren't five color, we would riot.
So what other popular tribes do we have, well, both zombies, demons and vampires are immensely popular black aligned tribes, however, demons aren't exactly playable as a tribe, and given the glut of zombies in standard, I think that of the three Vampires are the safest bet. Since the original Innistrad they have been the single most popular black aligned tribe, additionally, there are a number of named famous vampires that still lack cards, or are in dire need of getting a new card. Such as the progenitor of the Markov line of vampires, (as well as other Innistradi vampire bloodlines), not to mention the good Baron himself, who deserves an updated grixis colored card. As such I am of the belief that we will likely get a Grixis (UBR) colored vampire tribal deck, with Baron Sengir, Edgar Markov, and another tri-colored vampire legend. Also I'd really want to see Castle Sengir reprinted with new art and the new frame, mostly because it would be funny.
As for other tribes, Elves are also immensely popular, and would also work well in three colors, specifically Abzan (GWB). An abzan colored elf-tribal legend would be great, and would open up so many potential deck builds. It's also pretty much the most popular green tribe.
As for the last deck, I fully expect a two colored deck, as for what tribe, there are many two colored tribes that are highly popular. Many of which need more tribal support. Since it would be unexpected (but popular) it is difficult to anticipate what it could be.
One tribe I am 100% certain we will not see is Eldrazi. The reason for this is quite simple, there are three named eldrazi, they are all colorless, we lack a decent number of actual colorless (non-devoid) eldrazi, and those we have are notoriously unfun to play against.
Yes I agree as well not enough evidence that all decks are five color
And vampire is indeed a safe bet because we got BR leader but need a vampire tribal with either/both WU added.
Elfs is not a safe bet and that's because of the "guided by nature" deck which is pretty much elf tribal and it's being reprinted right now in anthology. But on the other hand "leovold" added UB elfs and now he's banne eye could make a elf tribal just so you can put in WUB to the already mono green elfs
Another option is wizard since from a article from earlier wizards is in most popular tribes of all time catergory and there's plenty of wizards outside blue that are incredible.
As for unexspected could be one of these of any combination.
Spirit: these guys have a ton of tribal support spirits and in all colors but non-red (witch-maw) is the best case scenario because of amazing stuff in those colors, if we don't get spirits we still win because of O-kagachi being in the dragons so a eons better option than karador.
Dinosaur or pirate: if one of these got in it would be due to ixalan for advertizement dinosaurs is higher because they are popular and iconic (just not in mtg...yet) but however not very likely because of two reasons one legends that are tribal support of both are going to be in ixalan and I doubt they would print the ixalan cards in commander 2017 first.
Knight: this is a tribe that needs more love and does have enough for tribal creature card and the best option and I ave heard it requested.
That's the best I can think of outside 5 color of unexspected.
Except, we do not need an Esper (WUB) elf deck, there are no where near enough blue elves for that to matter, and pretty much all the blue elves we have are at least partially green. What we do need however, is an Abzan (GWB) tribal elf commander. There are more than enough partially or wholly white and black elves for it to make sense.
If we get spirits, it will not be a four or five color deck, it would most likely be either white/blue and token focused, or green/black with a heck of a lot of soul shift.
As for Dinosaur/Pirate, unless they make the oracle update before Ixalan is released Dinosaurs are extremely unlikely, and even then it would require them to update 30+ creatures for it to make sense. As for pirates, we don't really have enough playable pirates as it is, and even with all of them included we still only hit 20. Remember, Ixalan is released *after* this years commander product, not before, as they moved to commander set release to late summer rather than the beginning of winter.
I could see knights, but the only way for that to make sense would be to make it Mardu (BRW) colored, to make use of the large number of red knights we have. I'd fully expect the deck to have at least one commander that gave a bonus to creatures with flanking (or who gave all knights you control flanking) to take full advantage of this.
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Wizards being mentioned as one of Blue's most iconic tribes in that post from a little bit ago is pretty much what i'm hedging my bets on at this point.
Not all the decks need to be 5 color. The entire point is that these are not color-wheel based, but tribe based. It made sense dragons would be 5 color because Scion is 5 color, and Ur Dragon would be expected to be, O-Kagachi would be as well, and it would need to be 5 color to accommodate a diversity of dragons for Scion in the event he is the commander Dragon players choose (which is likely). Or to have Ur Dragon's Eminence ability be relevant. Not to mention that Tarkir cycle, and Taigam requiring UW.
I definitely think Angels will be one. I don't expect the 4th angel sister because this set was probably designed before that story. Serra I expect. Could have a Cleric sub-theme.
I'd love some Mono-Blue Wizards. Or UR, whatever.
Sea Serpent, Kraken, Leviathan, Octopus oceanic monster would be a dream but I'm not seeing it.
Agreed that people assuming each of the decks are five colored, when we have gotten no indication that the commmander 2017 decks are such, is quite premature.
All we actually know (besides the dragon deck being five color) is that they are based around popular tribes, and one is (mostly) unexpected. Given that we know that one of the tribes is five color dragons, arguably the most popular tribe in M:TG, we should think along the lines of other popular tribes.
We can probably discount slivers, for two very simple reasons: WotC are unlikely to create three new legendary five color slivers, and they know that if we get slivers and they aren't five color, we would riot.
So what other popular tribes do we have, well, both zombies, demons and vampires are immensely popular black aligned tribes, however, demons aren't exactly playable as a tribe, and given the glut of zombies in standard, I think that of the three Vampires are the safest bet. Since the original Innistrad they have been the single most popular black aligned tribe, additionally, there are a number of named famous vampires that still lack cards, or are in dire need of getting a new card. Such as the progenitor of the Markov line of vampires, (as well as other Innistradi vampire bloodlines), not to mention the good Baron himself, who deserves an updated grixis colored card. As such I am of the belief that we will likely get a Grixis (UBR) colored vampire tribal deck, with Baron Sengir, Edgar Markov, and another tri-colored vampire legend. Also I'd really want to see Castle Sengir reprinted with new art and the new frame, mostly because it would be funny.
As for other tribes, Elves are also immensely popular, and would also work well in three colors, specifically Abzan (GWB). An abzan colored elf-tribal legend would be great, and would open up so many potential deck builds. It's also pretty much the most popular green tribe.
As for the last deck, I fully expect a two colored deck, as for what tribe, there are many two colored tribes that are highly popular. Many of which need more tribal support. Since it would be unexpected (but popular) it is difficult to anticipate what it could be.
One tribe I am 100% certain we will not see is Eldrazi. The reason for this is quite simple, there are three named eldrazi, they are all colorless, we lack a decent number of actual colorless (non-devoid) eldrazi, and those we have are notoriously unfun to play against.
Yes I agree as well not enough evidence that all decks are five color
And vampire is indeed a safe bet because we got BR leader but need a vampire tribal with either/both WU added.
Elfs is not a safe bet and that's because of the "guided by nature" deck which is pretty much elf tribal and it's being reprinted right now in anthology. But on the other hand "leovold" added UB elfs and now he's banne eye could make a elf tribal just so you can put in WUB to the already mono green elfs
Another option is wizard since from a article from earlier wizards is in most popular tribes of all time catergory and there's plenty of wizards outside blue that are incredible.
As for unexspected could be one of these of any combination.
Spirit: these guys have a ton of tribal support spirits and in all colors but non-red (witch-maw) is the best case scenario because of amazing stuff in those colors, if we don't get spirits we still win because of O-kagachi being in the dragons so a eons better option than karador.
Dinosaur or pirate: if one of these got in it would be due to ixalan for advertizement dinosaurs is higher because they are popular and iconic (just not in mtg...yet) but however not very likely because of two reasons one legends that are tribal support of both are going to be in ixalan and I doubt they would print the ixalan cards in commander 2017 first.
Knight: this is a tribe that needs more love and does have enough for tribal creature card and the best option and I ave heard it requested.
That's the best I can think of outside 5 color of unexspected.
Except, we do not need an Esper (WUB) elf deck, there are no where near enough blue elves for that to matter, and pretty much all the blue elves we have are at least partially green. What we do need however, is an Abzan (GWB) tribal elf commander. There are more than enough partially or wholly white and black elves for it to make sense.
If we get spirits, it will not be a four or five color deck, it would most likely be either white/blue and token focused, or green/black with a heck of a lot of soul shift.
As for Dinosaur/Pirate, unless they make the oracle update before Ixalan is released Dinosaurs are extremely unlikely, and even then it would require them to update 30+ creatures for it to make sense. As for pirates, we don't really have enough playable pirates as it is, and even with all of them included we still only hit 20. Remember, Ixalan is released *after* this years commander product, not before, as they moved to commander set release to late summer rather than the beginning of winter.
I could see knights, but the only way for that to make sense would be to make it Mardu (BRW) colored, to make use of the large number of red knights we have. I'd fully expect the deck to have at least one commander that gave a bonus to creatures with flanking (or who gave all knights you control flanking) to take full advantage of this.
Yes mardu is what my knight theory is based on
Only two color spirits, wizards would get shot at if it was only two color spirit (atleast O-kagachi is going to gen the bullet proof vest.)
And for dinosaur/pirate did you not hear what I said? I said I doubt it because of the two legends and that I seriously doubt they would put ixalan cards in a set before ixalan even comes out.
And for dinosaur/pirate did you not hear what I said? I said I doubt it because of the two legends and that I seriously doubt they would put ixalan cards in a set before ixalan even comes out.
They've done it before with Dual decks and From the Vault, why not Commander? If anything wouldn't that just hype Ixalan even more and potentially increase sales?
And for dinosaur/pirate did you not hear what I said? I said I doubt it because of the two legends and that I seriously doubt they would put ixalan cards in a set before ixalan even comes out.
They've done it before with Dual decks and From the Vault, why not Commander? If anything wouldn't that just hype Ixalan even more and potentially increase sales?
Yes but that's like only 1 to 2 card per set
For product like this it would require almost all of the what dinosaurs from ixalan.
The white part I'm clueless to why people want five color zombie I mean there's next to none white the only good ones are from both parts of amonkhet.
Stillmoon Cavalier and Necromancer's Covenant are very sad...
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Alternatively {UB} or {2B} in [mana] tags are (U/B) or (2/B) T is :symtap: and T will give T in [mana] tags
Not sure if it's been mentioned before, but what about a deck that's all tribes at once? A Shapeshifter deck? I'm sure it's been brought up in this thread before, but it's just something that I thought of that could be kind of cool and unexpected.
Not all the decks need to be 5 color. The entire point is that these are not color-wheel based, but tribe based. It made sense dragons would be 5 color because Scion is 5 color, and Ur Dragon would be expected to be, O-Kagachi would be as well, and it would need to be 5 color to accommodate a diversity of dragons for Scion in the event he is the commander Dragon players choose (which is likely). Or to have Ur Dragon's Eminence ability be relevant. Not to mention that Tarkir cycle, and Taigam requiring UW.
I definitely think Angels will be one. I don't expect the 4th angel sister because this set was probably designed before that story. Serra I expect. Could have a Cleric sub-theme.
I'd love some Mono-Blue Wizards. Or UR, whatever.
Sea Serpent, Kraken, Leviathan, Octopus oceanic monster would be a dream but I'm not seeing it.
Agreed that people assuming each of the decks are five colored, when we have gotten no indication that the commmander 2017 decks are such, is quite premature.
All we actually know (besides the dragon deck being five color) is that they are based around popular tribes, and one is (mostly) unexpected. Given that we know that one of the tribes is five color dragons, arguably the most popular tribe in M:TG, we should think along the lines of other popular tribes.
We can probably discount slivers, for two very simple reasons: WotC are unlikely to create three new legendary five color slivers, and they know that if we get slivers and they aren't five color, we would riot.
So what other popular tribes do we have, well, both zombies, demons and vampires are immensely popular black aligned tribes, however, demons aren't exactly playable as a tribe, and given the glut of zombies in standard, I think that of the three Vampires are the safest bet. Since the original Innistrad they have been the single most popular black aligned tribe, additionally, there are a number of named famous vampires that still lack cards, or are in dire need of getting a new card. Such as the progenitor of the Markov line of vampires, (as well as other Innistradi vampire bloodlines), not to mention the good Baron himself, who deserves an updated grixis colored card. As such I am of the belief that we will likely get a Grixis (UBR) colored vampire tribal deck, with Baron Sengir, Edgar Markov, and another tri-colored vampire legend. Also I'd really want to see Castle Sengir reprinted with new art and the new frame, mostly because it would be funny.
As for other tribes, Elves are also immensely popular, and would also work well in three colors, specifically Abzan (GWB). An abzan colored elf-tribal legend would be great, and would open up so many potential deck builds. It's also pretty much the most popular green tribe.
As for the last deck, I fully expect a two colored deck, as for what tribe, there are many two colored tribes that are highly popular. Many of which need more tribal support. Since it would be unexpected (but popular) it is difficult to anticipate what it could be.
One tribe I am 100% certain we will not see is Eldrazi. The reason for this is quite simple, there are three named eldrazi, they are all colorless, we lack a decent number of actual colorless (non-devoid) eldrazi, and those we have are notoriously unfun to play against.
Yes I agree as well not enough evidence that all decks are five color
And vampire is indeed a safe bet because we got BR leader but need a vampire tribal with either/both WU added.
Elfs is not a safe bet and that's because of the "guided by nature" deck which is pretty much elf tribal and it's being reprinted right now in anthology. But on the other hand "leovold" added UB elfs and now he's banne eye could make a elf tribal just so you can put in WUB to the already mono green elfs
Another option is wizard since from a article from earlier wizards is in most popular tribes of all time catergory and there's plenty of wizards outside blue that are incredible.
As for unexspected could be one of these of any combination.
Spirit: these guys have a ton of tribal support spirits and in all colors but non-red (witch-maw) is the best case scenario because of amazing stuff in those colors, if we don't get spirits we still win because of O-kagachi being in the dragons so a eons better option than karador.
Dinosaur or pirate: if one of these got in it would be due to ixalan for advertizement dinosaurs is higher because they are popular and iconic (just not in mtg...yet) but however not very likely because of two reasons one legends that are tribal support of both are going to be in ixalan and I doubt they would print the ixalan cards in commander 2017 first.
Knight: this is a tribe that needs more love and does have enough for tribal creature card and the best option and I ave heard it requested.
That's the best I can think of outside 5 color of unexspected.
Except, we do not need an Esper (WUB) elf deck, there are no where near enough blue elves for that to matter, and pretty much all the blue elves we have are at least partially green. What we do need however, is an Abzan (GWB) tribal elf commander. There are more than enough partially or wholly white and black elves for it to make sense.
If we get spirits, it will not be a four or five color deck, it would most likely be either white/blue and token focused, or green/black with a heck of a lot of soul shift.
As for Dinosaur/Pirate, unless they make the oracle update before Ixalan is released Dinosaurs are extremely unlikely, and even then it would require them to update 30+ creatures for it to make sense. As for pirates, we don't really have enough playable pirates as it is, and even with all of them included we still only hit 20. Remember, Ixalan is released *after* this years commander product, not before, as they moved to commander set release to late summer rather than the beginning of winter.
I could see knights, but the only way for that to make sense would be to make it Mardu (BRW) colored, to make use of the large number of red knights we have. I'd fully expect the deck to have at least one commander that gave a bonus to creatures with flanking (or who gave all knights you control flanking) to take full advantage of this.
Yes mardu is what my knight theory is based on
Only two color spirits, wizards would get shot at if it was only two color spirit (atleast O-kagachi is going to gen the bullet proof vest.)
And for dinosaur/pirate did you not hear what I said? I said I doubt it because of the two legends and that I seriously doubt they would put ixalan cards in a set before ixalan even comes out.
I think you may have misunderstood me, I was agreeing with you and provided rationale for my conclusion. I apologize if that was not clear in my previous post.
And for dinosaur/pirate did you not hear what I said? I said I doubt it because of the two legends and that I seriously doubt they would put ixalan cards in a set before ixalan even comes out.
They've done it before with Dual decks and From the Vault, why not Commander? If anything wouldn't that just hype Ixalan even more and potentially increase sales?
They do not print preview cards in auxiliary products outside of FTV anymore, and even then it was a rare thing when they did it. And as I mentioned in an earlier post, unless WotC are going to do the Oracle update *before* Commander is released, we won't get dinosaurs, and we have no where near enough pirates either.
I'm expecting Esper zombies after all the blue zombies from Innistrad and white zombies from Amonkhet.
I actually don't expect zombies, at all, for two reasons: 1. Standard is currently saturated with zombies between Shadows and Amonkhet, and 2, Vampires are actually a more popular tribe, and has been since Innistrad. We also *need* some good vampire tribal cards, we currently have a grand total of 3 tribal vampire lords, compared to a gazillion zombie ones (seriously, I have a zombie commander deck where nearly every non-legendary zombie is a lord, the one exception is a Zombie dragon, because it comboes with Gisa like you wouldn't believe). One the three tribal vampires is mythic, and not a particularly good one. Not to mention we have a number of Vampire characters that either desperately need new cards (Baron Sengir) or need cards to begin with (Edgar Markov, and the progenitors of the other Innistradi vampire families such as Falkreath and Mauer).
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I generally don't expect cards that were first printed within a year of a precon to be printed in that precon. That said, I wouldn't expect anything later than Eldritch Moon in these decks; Kaladesh and Amonkhet blocks are both too recent.
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
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You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
I'm expecting Esper zombies after all the blue zombies from Innistrad and white zombies from Amonkhet.
I actually don't expect zombies, at all, for two reasons: 1. Standard is currently saturated with zombies between Shadows and Amonkhet, and 2, Vampires are actually a more popular tribe, and has been since Innistrad. We also *need* some good vampire tribal cards, we currently have a grand total of 3 tribal vampire lords, compared to a gazillion zombie ones (seriously, I have a zombie commander deck where nearly every non-legendary zombie is a lord, the one exception is a Zombie dragon, because it comboes with Gisa like you wouldn't believe). One the three tribal vampires is mythic, and not a particularly good one. Not to mention we have a number of Vampire characters that either desperately need new cards (Baron Sengir) or need cards to begin with (Edgar Markov, and the progenitors of the other Innistradi vampire families such as Falkreath and Mauer).
Standard doesn't dictate commander products so its irrelevant if it "saturated". Actually it would make people more inclined to get a Zombie tribal commander deck to put their standard zombies.
These commander products are also heavy on reprints and zombies has far better reprint options then vampires. Alot of zombie lords are in dire of reprints.
And acording to who that vampires are a more popular tribal?
Anyways i still think zombies on the race but i can see vampires also have a shot but not as mutch as zombies.
What do we think the odds on all 5c decks? Dragons already is confirmed and Slivers, Elementals and Ally's have all traditionally been playable as tribes, traditionally 5c and already have a cult following. Angels as already mentioned could easily be done in 5 colour but I think the others are the more likely.
It just seems to me that they have to make the decks balanced against one another. One way to do this is make sure they all have approximately the same land base so all have the same weakness out of the box.
Im pretty stoked either way though, this should be awesome and with Ixilan appearing to be shards tribal EDH is getting its birthday and christmas at the same time.
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Modern: RG Titanshift. A deck made of cards too stupid for EDH.
Retired: Lots. More than I feel you should suffer through or I should type out.
That would be one good way to work around the "not color balanced" part, but a cycle of five WUBRG decks could have worked just as well, as each could still have had a central color.
I'm hoping for a colorless deck, but not really expecting it. That said, I'm 80% sure one of the tribes will be Ninjas. "Unsuspected" indeed.
Reprinting the ten Ninjas that exist? If half your creature selection has to be changelings, then it probably isn't a viable tribe to support at this time. Push for more worlds with Ninjas in them, and then we can make it happen.
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
PSA to everyone who keeps forgetting about the Reserved List:
You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
I hope the "unexpected" tribe making its appearance is a Legendary Land Creature, like a legendary Dryad Arbor that was WUBRG and had some lord abilities
I definitely think Angels will be one. I don't expect the 4th angel sister because this set was probably designed before that story. Serra I expect. Could have a Cleric sub-theme.
I'd love some Mono-Blue Wizards. Or UR, whatever.
Sea Serpent, Kraken, Leviathan, Octopus oceanic monster would be a dream but I'm not seeing it.
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Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
Agreed that people assuming each of the decks are five colored, when we have gotten no indication that the commmander 2017 decks are such, is quite premature.
All we actually know (besides the dragon deck being five color) is that they are based around popular tribes, and one is (mostly) unexpected. Given that we know that one of the tribes is five color dragons, arguably the most popular tribe in M:TG, we should think along the lines of other popular tribes.
We can probably discount slivers, for two very simple reasons: WotC are unlikely to create three new legendary five color slivers, and they know that if we get slivers and they aren't five color, we would riot.
So what other popular tribes do we have, well, both zombies, demons and vampires are immensely popular black aligned tribes, however, demons aren't exactly playable as a tribe, and given the glut of zombies in standard, I think that of the three Vampires are the safest bet. Since the original Innistrad they have been the single most popular black aligned tribe, additionally, there are a number of named famous vampires that still lack cards, or are in dire need of getting a new card. Such as the progenitor of the Markov line of vampires, (as well as other Innistradi vampire bloodlines), not to mention the good Baron himself, who deserves an updated grixis colored card. As such I am of the belief that we will likely get a Grixis (UBR) colored vampire tribal deck, with Baron Sengir, Edgar Markov, and another tri-colored vampire legend. Also I'd really want to see Castle Sengir reprinted with new art and the new frame, mostly because it would be funny.
As for other tribes, Elves are also immensely popular, and would also work well in three colors, specifically Abzan (GWB). An abzan colored elf-tribal legend would be great, and would open up so many potential deck builds. It's also pretty much the most popular green tribe.
As for the last deck, I fully expect a two colored deck, as for what tribe, there are many two colored tribes that are highly popular. Many of which need more tribal support. Since it would be unexpected (but popular) it is difficult to anticipate what it could be.
One tribe I am 100% certain we will not see is Eldrazi. The reason for this is quite simple, there are three named eldrazi, they are all colorless, we lack a decent number of actual colorless (non-devoid) eldrazi, and those we have are notoriously unfun to play against.
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I wonder what other large, popular creature spells a tribal commander might want to have Eminence in order to discount?
Angels for one.
That mechanic wasn't created for just one card. And I doubt it'll discount efficient decks like Elves who don't need it. Think big CMC.
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Cards I still want to see created:
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This would only be true if Eminence was a keyword, but it's not, it's an ability word like Lieutenant.
EXAMPLE:
VAMPLORD UBR
Legendary Creature - Vampire
Eminence - As long as [VAMPLORD] is in your command zone or on the battlefield, other [Vampire] creatures you control enter the battlefield with a +1/+1 counter on them.
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Yes I agree as well not enough evidence that all decks are five color
And vampire is indeed a safe bet because we got BR leader but need a vampire tribal with either/both WU added.
Elfs is not a safe bet and that's because of the "guided by nature" deck which is pretty much elf tribal and it's being reprinted right now in anthology. But on the other hand "leovold" added UB elfs and now he's banne eye could make a elf tribal just so you can put in WUB to the already mono green elfs
Another option is wizard since from a article from earlier wizards is in most popular tribes of all time catergory and there's plenty of wizards outside blue that are incredible.
As for unexspected could be one of these of any combination.
Spirit: these guys have a ton of tribal support spirits and in all colors but non-red (witch-maw) is the best case scenario because of amazing stuff in those colors, if we don't get spirits we still win because of O-kagachi being in the dragons so a eons better option than karador.
Dinosaur or pirate: if one of these got in it would be due to ixalan for advertizement dinosaurs is higher because they are popular and iconic (just not in mtg...yet) but however not very likely because of two reasons one legends that are tribal support of both are going to be in ixalan and I doubt they would print the ixalan cards in commander 2017 first.
Knight: this is a tribe that needs more love and does have enough for tribal creature card and the best option and I ave heard it requested.
That's the best I can think of outside 5 color of unexspected.
Myr or golem colorless,
Bant or Orzhov angels.
Don't care what else we get.
This also provides an even spread of colors, if they wanted to go that route.
Why not say 0c?
The Myr race has not enough members to field a full deck - especially once you remove the colored mana producers.
I'm not certain about whether Golems have enough members to field a good deck, but a colorless Golem tribal deck would intentionally avoid the most prolific Golem tribal support in form of the splicer cards. That seems like a miss-application of the potential of the tribe.
I also expect Angel as the next most likely tribe with Dragon confirmed.
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Also I would really love to see an Angel 5C deck. Also with an Eminence tribal ability, for example when an angel attack get +1/+1 or something similar.
I really want to say DRAGONS! ANGELS!
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Except, we do not need an Esper (WUB) elf deck, there are no where near enough blue elves for that to matter, and pretty much all the blue elves we have are at least partially green. What we do need however, is an Abzan (GWB) tribal elf commander. There are more than enough partially or wholly white and black elves for it to make sense.
If we get spirits, it will not be a four or five color deck, it would most likely be either white/blue and token focused, or green/black with a heck of a lot of soul shift.
As for Dinosaur/Pirate, unless they make the oracle update before Ixalan is released Dinosaurs are extremely unlikely, and even then it would require them to update 30+ creatures for it to make sense. As for pirates, we don't really have enough playable pirates as it is, and even with all of them included we still only hit 20. Remember, Ixalan is released *after* this years commander product, not before, as they moved to commander set release to late summer rather than the beginning of winter.
I could see knights, but the only way for that to make sense would be to make it Mardu (BRW) colored, to make use of the large number of red knights we have. I'd fully expect the deck to have at least one commander that gave a bonus to creatures with flanking (or who gave all knights you control flanking) to take full advantage of this.
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I do hope we find out soon though.
Yes mardu is what my knight theory is based on
Only two color spirits, wizards would get shot at if it was only two color spirit (atleast O-kagachi is going to gen the bullet proof vest.)
And for dinosaur/pirate did you not hear what I said? I said I doubt it because of the two legends and that I seriously doubt they would put ixalan cards in a set before ixalan even comes out.
They've done it before with Dual decks and From the Vault, why not Commander? If anything wouldn't that just hype Ixalan even more and potentially increase sales?
RB Olivia Voldaren RB
GB Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons GB
BWR Queen Marchesa BWR
RW Anya, Merciless Angel RW
UW Bruna, Light of Alabaster UW
UB Wydwen, The Biting Gale UB
GU Momir Vig, simic visionary GU
WG Karametra, God of Harvests WG
WUBSydri, Galvanic GeniusWUB
Yes but that's like only 1 to 2 card per set
For product like this it would require almost all of the what dinosaurs from ixalan.
Alternatively {UB} or {2B} in [mana] tags are (U/B) or (2/B)
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I think you may have misunderstood me, I was agreeing with you and provided rationale for my conclusion. I apologize if that was not clear in my previous post.
They do not print preview cards in auxiliary products outside of FTV anymore, and even then it was a rare thing when they did it. And as I mentioned in an earlier post, unless WotC are going to do the Oracle update *before* Commander is released, we won't get dinosaurs, and we have no where near enough pirates either.
I actually don't expect zombies, at all, for two reasons: 1. Standard is currently saturated with zombies between Shadows and Amonkhet, and 2, Vampires are actually a more popular tribe, and has been since Innistrad. We also *need* some good vampire tribal cards, we currently have a grand total of 3 tribal vampire lords, compared to a gazillion zombie ones (seriously, I have a zombie commander deck where nearly every non-legendary zombie is a lord, the one exception is a Zombie dragon, because it comboes with Gisa like you wouldn't believe). One the three tribal vampires is mythic, and not a particularly good one. Not to mention we have a number of Vampire characters that either desperately need new cards (Baron Sengir) or need cards to begin with (Edgar Markov, and the progenitors of the other Innistradi vampire families such as Falkreath and Mauer).
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
Standard doesn't dictate commander products so its irrelevant if it "saturated". Actually it would make people more inclined to get a Zombie tribal commander deck to put their standard zombies.
These commander products are also heavy on reprints and zombies has far better reprint options then vampires. Alot of zombie lords are in dire of reprints.
And acording to who that vampires are a more popular tribal?
Anyways i still think zombies on the race but i can see vampires also have a shot but not as mutch as zombies.
It just seems to me that they have to make the decks balanced against one another. One way to do this is make sure they all have approximately the same land base so all have the same weakness out of the box.
Im pretty stoked either way though, this should be awesome and with Ixilan appearing to be shards tribal EDH is getting its birthday and christmas at the same time.
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Modern:
RG Titanshift. A deck made of cards too stupid for EDH.
Retired: Lots. More than I feel you should suffer through or I should type out.
That would be one good way to work around the "not color balanced" part, but a cycle of five WUBRG decks could have worked just as well, as each could still have had a central color.
Reprinting the ten Ninjas that exist? If half your creature selection has to be changelings, then it probably isn't a viable tribe to support at this time. Push for more worlds with Ninjas in them, and then we can make it happen.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
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RGOmnath, Locus of Rage Grenades! EDHGR
UWSygg's Defense, EDH - Voltron & ControlWU
BUGMimeoplasm EDH ft. Ifnir Cycling-discard comboBUG
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BWSelenia & Recruiter of the Guard suicice combo EDHWB
UBRWGO-Kagachi - 5 Color Enchantments - EDHUBRWG