If pre-phyrexia yawgmoth made an appearance, he'd be a creature - human, and that's it. He was a doctor before he was taken to Phyrexia by Glacian, which led to his obsession with planeswalkers.
Dyfed. Dyfed was the one who brought Yawgmoth to the plane he would name Phyrexia. Glacian's spark never ignited.
From what we've learned of phyrexia and phyrexians since Invasion block, we can be pretty sure that the actual evil behind the phyrexians was not Yawgmoth, but rather the glistening oil. I would not be surprised if it is what infected Yawgmoth and turned him into the monster we all remember. It wouldn't even be a retcon.
The Phyrexians originally created the oil, not the other way around. It was designed as a way to more quickly and efficiently Pyrexianize people.
And it's worth noting that Yawgmoth was a mass-murderer and a megalomaniac well before he ever set foot on Phyrexia. Hell, before he met Glacian, even.
If pre-phyrexia yawgmoth made an appearance, he'd be a creature - human, and that's it. He was a doctor before he was taken to Phyrexia by Glacian, which led to his obsession with planeswalkers.
Dyfed. Dyfed was the one who brought Yawgmoth to the plane he would name Phyrexia. Glacian's spark never ignited.
From what we've learned of phyrexia and phyrexians since Invasion block, we can be pretty sure that the actual evil behind the phyrexians was not Yawgmoth, but rather the glistening oil. I would not be surprised if it is what infected Yawgmoth and turned him into the monster we all remember. It wouldn't even be a retcon.
The Phyrexians originally created the oil, not the other way around. It was designed as a way to more quickly and efficiently Pyrexianize people.
And it's worth noting that Yawgmoth was a mass-murderer and a megalomaniac well before he ever set foot on Phyrexia. Hell, before he met Glacian, even.
The grand creature type update was a mistake, and WotC has admitted as much (which is why we are slowly getting old creature types back), as it lead to a lot of inconstancy. For example why is Henge Guardian a dragon and Dragon Engine not? The former is just a slightly larger dragon engine after all (in story even, as it represents Ramos, a rebellious dragon engine.
As for the Oil, Phyrexians created it, yes, but we don't actually know if it was the Yawgmoth Phyrexians that created it originally. Remember, Phyrexia is thousands of years older than Yawgmoth, he was merely brought there.
As for Yawgmoth, I am aware he was a mass-murdering megalomaniac before Phyrexia, I am merely speculating if it exacerbated his psychosis and made it worse.
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Well Yawgmoth before godhood would be nice indeed. In fact some edition with the setting of the thran book would be pure fan service. As for Yawgy i always got the feeling it was him on that card.
I know he was already the father of the machine. But as a god you can take the form you want or at least in the form of a avatar. So perhaps he was loking to act like the good old days with his human apparance. For the créature type , human cleric i'd say.
It's not Yawgmoth. By the time that card took place, Yawgmoth was not even close to human anymore. Take a look at Yawgmoth's Bargain to get an idea about just how inhuman he had become.
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as it lead to a lot of inconstancy. For example why is Henge Guardian a dragon and Dragon Engine not? The former is just a slightly larger dragon engine after all (in story even, as it represents Ramos, a rebellious dragon engine.
There was already inconsistency before the grand creature type update. The grand creature type update reduced inconsistency; a few things slipping through the cracks doesn't change that. Dragon Engine always lacked the dragon subtype, despite things like Tek and Draco getting it.
As for the Oil, Phyrexians created it, yes, but we don't actually know if it was the Yawgmoth Phyrexians that created it originally. Remember, Phyrexia is thousands of years older than Yawgmoth, he was merely brought there.
The first chapter of the Mirrodin novel is told from the perspective of the oil, and it is described as having been developed for use in either the Thran-Phyrexian War or the Phyrexian Invasion.
As for Yawgmoth, I am aware he was a mass-murdering megalomaniac before Phyrexia, I am merely speculating if it exacerbated his psychosis and made it worse.
Have you read The Thran? Or even just the MTGS wiki to read up on what Yawgmoth was up to before he returned from exile? He spread plagues just to see what would happen. One time, after inciting an epidemic, he ransomed off the cure. Except he replaced the cure with snake oil for giggles. This is the kind of guy he was before even a single person had undergone Phyresis. If anything, becoming the god of Phyrexia reigned in his sociopathy and gave it focus.
as it lead to a lot of inconstancy. For example why is Henge Guardian a dragon and Dragon Engine not? The former is just a slightly larger dragon engine after all (in story even, as it represents Ramos, a rebellious dragon engine.
There was already inconsistency before the grand creature type update. The grand creature type update reduced inconsistency; a few things slipping through the cracks doesn't change that. Dragon Engine always lacked the dragon subtype, despite things like Tek and Draco getting it.
As for the Oil, Phyrexians created it, yes, but we don't actually know if it was the Yawgmoth Phyrexians that created it originally. Remember, Phyrexia is thousands of years older than Yawgmoth, he was merely brought there.
The first chapter of the Mirrodin novel is told from the perspective of the oil, and it is described as having been developed for use in either the Thran-Phyrexian War or the Phyrexian Invasion.
As for Yawgmoth, I am aware he was a mass-murdering megalomaniac before Phyrexia, I am merely speculating if it exacerbated his psychosis and made it worse.
Have you read The Thran? Or even just the MTGS wiki to read up on what Yawgmoth was up to before he returned from exile? He spread plagues just to see what would happen. One time, after inciting an epidemic, he ransomed off the cure. Except he replaced the cure with snake oil for giggles. This is the kind of guy he was before even a single person had undergone Phyresis. If anything, becoming the god of Phyrexia reigned in his sociopathy and gave it focus.
You realize what ixalan is resurrecting right? (Dinosaur)
as it lead to a lot of inconstancy. For example why is Henge Guardian a dragon and Dragon Engine not? The former is just a slightly larger dragon engine after all (in story even, as it represents Ramos, a rebellious dragon engine.
There was already inconsistency before the grand creature type update. The grand creature type update reduced inconsistency; a few things slipping through the cracks doesn't change that. Dragon Engine always lacked the dragon subtype, despite things like Tek and Draco getting it.
As for the Oil, Phyrexians created it, yes, but we don't actually know if it was the Yawgmoth Phyrexians that created it originally. Remember, Phyrexia is thousands of years older than Yawgmoth, he was merely brought there.
The first chapter of the Mirrodin novel is told from the perspective of the oil, and it is described as having been developed for use in either the Thran-Phyrexian War or the Phyrexian Invasion.
As for Yawgmoth, I am aware he was a mass-murdering megalomaniac before Phyrexia, I am merely speculating if it exacerbated his psychosis and made it worse.
Have you read The Thran? Or even just the MTGS wiki to read up on what Yawgmoth was up to before he returned from exile? He spread plagues just to see what would happen. One time, after inciting an epidemic, he ransomed off the cure. Except he replaced the cure with snake oil for giggles. This is the kind of guy he was before even a single person had undergone Phyresis. If anything, becoming the god of Phyrexia reigned in his sociopathy and gave it focus.
You realize what ixalan is resurrecting right? (Dinosaur)
True but it's technically a new tribe unless they retcon the old beast lizards into dinosaurs.
as it lead to a lot of inconstancy. For example why is Henge Guardian a dragon and Dragon Engine not? The former is just a slightly larger dragon engine after all (in story even, as it represents Ramos, a rebellious dragon engine.
There was already inconsistency before the grand creature type update. The grand creature type update reduced inconsistency; a few things slipping through the cracks doesn't change that. Dragon Engine always lacked the dragon subtype, despite things like Tek and Draco getting it.
As for the Oil, Phyrexians created it, yes, but we don't actually know if it was the Yawgmoth Phyrexians that created it originally. Remember, Phyrexia is thousands of years older than Yawgmoth, he was merely brought there.
The first chapter of the Mirrodin novel is told from the perspective of the oil, and it is described as having been developed for use in either the Thran-Phyrexian War or the Phyrexian Invasion.
As for Yawgmoth, I am aware he was a mass-murdering megalomaniac before Phyrexia, I am merely speculating if it exacerbated his psychosis and made it worse.
Have you read The Thran? Or even just the MTGS wiki to read up on what Yawgmoth was up to before he returned from exile? He spread plagues just to see what would happen. One time, after inciting an epidemic, he ransomed off the cure. Except he replaced the cure with snake oil for giggles. This is the kind of guy he was before even a single person had undergone Phyresis. If anything, becoming the god of Phyrexia reigned in his sociopathy and gave it focus.
You realize what ixalan is resurrecting right? (Dinosaur)
And we just got Monkey (in Kaladesh) and Jackal (in Amonkhet) back as well.
as it lead to a lot of inconstancy. For example why is Henge Guardian a dragon and Dragon Engine not? The former is just a slightly larger dragon engine after all (in story even, as it represents Ramos, a rebellious dragon engine.
There was already inconsistency before the grand creature type update. The grand creature type update reduced inconsistency; a few things slipping through the cracks doesn't change that. Dragon Engine always lacked the dragon subtype, despite things like Tek and Draco getting it.
As for the Oil, Phyrexians created it, yes, but we don't actually know if it was the Yawgmoth Phyrexians that created it originally. Remember, Phyrexia is thousands of years older than Yawgmoth, he was merely brought there.
The first chapter of the Mirrodin novel is told from the perspective of the oil, and it is described as having been developed for use in either the Thran-Phyrexian War or the Phyrexian Invasion.
As for Yawgmoth, I am aware he was a mass-murdering megalomaniac before Phyrexia, I am merely speculating if it exacerbated his psychosis and made it worse.
Have you read The Thran? Or even just the MTGS wiki to read up on what Yawgmoth was up to before he returned from exile? He spread plagues just to see what would happen. One time, after inciting an epidemic, he ransomed off the cure. Except he replaced the cure with snake oil for giggles. This is the kind of guy he was before even a single person had undergone Phyresis. If anything, becoming the god of Phyrexia reigned in his sociopathy and gave it focus.
You realize what ixalan is resurrecting right? (Dinosaur)
True but it's technically a new tribe unless they retcon the old beast lizards into dinosaurs.
Pygmy Allosaurus says hi. So no, it's not a new tribe, it's a really, really, really old one.
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You realize what ixalan is resurrecting right? (Dinosaur)
Dinosaur was on one card before the type was abandoned. It wasn't the grand creature type update that killed the dinosaurs.
True, it was fear of "to many creature types", which is why every dinosaur after has been "elemental lizard" (Magmasaur), Beast Lizard (Shivan Raptor, Dromosaur), or just plain Lizard (Crag Saurian) or Beast (Alpha Tyrranax). It was the same fear that lead to the Grand Creature Update.
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Let us now be speaking of tribes for the set being called Commander 2017, yeah?
The dragons appear to be taking up the big stompy play style, so I think we can rule out other big stompy tribes such as Giant, Octopus, Wurm, Leviathan, Kraken, and Sea Serpent.
What play styles go with what tribes?
Graveyard shenanigans? See Zombie, Spirit, Ooze, or Insect.
Artifacts matter? Let's go Artificer, Golem, Myr, or Kor.
Hard aggro? Got to be Warrior, Soldier, or Knight.
Counters? Literally any tribe fits, however, Hydra, Fungus, and Mutant are dependent on that play style.
Life-Gain? Better be Cleric, Vampire, or Angel.
I would guess that speedy aggro, control, and grindy attrition are our other three deck themes. Those decks could be WUBRG, but WUBRG tribes that fit those play styles.
MTGS Wikia Article about "New World Order"
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
PSA to everyone who keeps forgetting about the Reserved List:
You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
That certainly helps us stop arguing about whether or not these leaks are fake. Tribal discussion will keep going for the next months until we get something about them.
I love that the Unstable set symbol is a wrench with an actual nut (acorn in this case) in it.
Something's telling me zombies is out for commander 2017
I don't necessarily think that it stops zombies from appearing, even Merfolk vs. Goblins doesn't stop those two from appearing. They have far less chance of it, but doesn't stop them. As for zombies I still think they could show up, it is one of the most popular tribes after all and is really easy to make a deck in different colors with them and people would definitely snatch them up.
Something's telling me zombies is out for commander 2017
I think that this line of thinking may be the best way to speculate. What tribes have received attention lately, especially with legendaries/lords? Zombies for sure, especially with Gisa and Geralf, and now The Scarab God. Sphinx received a commander in HoD too. So those two are probably out. We can probably eliminate
pirates and dinosaurs
too now due to Ixalan. I know some are saying they could be a preview, a la the Duel Decks, but I don't feel like there is enough of either to make a cohesive commander deck around, unless you use a ton of cards from Ixalan.
Cats have gotten a new lord, but no real legendaries that I can think of recently. Quite a few angels in the SoI block, but again, no real tribal support. With Dragons just about confirmed for C17, I would think that also eliminates Angels and probably Demons. My thinking is that WotC wouldn't want 3 out of four decks to be about beefy fliers. I also don't know if they would want four 5-color decks. So there go Slivers. And Merfolk vs. Goblins really kill those tribe's chances.
Purely conjecture (except for one, almost), but the four that I would like to see would be:
Dragons: Duh. WUBRG
Wizards: More of a control/combo deck. And Wizards are pretty lacking for a lord or a commander that really cares about the tribe. U, UR, or if three colors maybe UBR, URW, or WUB
Beasts: The response to the big fliers of the dragons, but on the ground. Might be the "unexpected" tribe. Could see RG or RGW
Knights/Soldiers: Not too sure which one would resonate more. Soldiers have much more support, but are mostly in W. Knights don't have as much tribal support, and are spread out over W and B, with some of the other three in small amounts. Heavy on anthem effects either way.
It's fun to think about. No matter what though, I can't wait until we know more!
Something's telling me zombies is out for commander 2017
I think that this line of thinking may be the best way to speculate. What tribes have received attention lately, especially with legendaries/lords? Zombies for sure, especially with Gisa and Geralf, and now The Scarab God. Sphinx received a commander in HoD too. So those two are probably out. We can probably eliminate
pirates and dinosaurs
too now due to Ixalan. I know some are saying they could be a preview, a la the Duel Decks, but I don't feel like there is enough of either to make a cohesive commander deck around, unless you use a ton of cards from Ixalan.
Cats have gotten a new lord, but no real legendaries that I can think of recently. Quite a few angels in the SoI block, but again, no real tribal support. With Dragons just about confirmed for C17, I would think that also eliminates Angels and probably Demons. My thinking is that WotC wouldn't want 3 out of four decks to be about beefy fliers. I also don't know if they would want four 5-color decks. So there go Slivers. And Merfolk vs. Goblins really kill those tribe's chances.
Purely conjecture (except for one, almost), but the four that I would like to see would be:
Dragons: Duh. WUBRG
Wizards: More of a control/combo deck. And Wizards are pretty lacking for a lord or a commander that really cares about the tribe. U, UR, or if three colors maybe UBR, URW, or WUB
Beasts: The response to the big fliers of the dragons, but on the ground. Might be the "unexpected" tribe. Could see RG or RGW
Knights/Soldiers: Not too sure which one would resonate more. Soldiers have much more support, but are mostly in W. Knights don't have as much tribal support, and are spread out over W and B, with some of the other three in small amounts. Heavy on anthem effects either way.
It's fun to think about. No matter what though, I can't wait until we know more!
Not to bad of a guess
I elimated dinosaur and pirate because in that leak legendarys of both those creature types are tribal support legends (one for Dino's one for pirates.)
To give you points for beast that would be a way to reprint protean hulk they did it with bitterblossom for MM2 when they heard/said bitterblossom got unbanned in modern.
Although beast could potential be the same with dinosaur though they said older cards will get the dinosaur type and plus beasts are fatty
Doesn't nescesary kick the fatty tribes from this, the main commanders new ability could all be the same thing but several doubt it though.
By the way the unexspected tribe may actually be spirit they are not fattys and like angels/demons and a few other tribes with no legit tribal commander and spirits have a ton of tribal support cards already and it doesn't have to be 5-color it can Ben witch maw (WUBG) and O-Kagachi being in dragons doesn't kill them either there's still a few legendary spirits not printed yet. There was a aftermath of O-Karachi call sisters of....I forgot that spirits name.
Something's telling me zombies is out for commander 2017
I think that this line of thinking may be the best way to speculate. What tribes have received attention lately, especially with legendaries/lords? Zombies for sure, especially with Gisa and Geralf, and now The Scarab God. Sphinx received a commander in HoD too. So those two are probably out. We can probably eliminate
pirates and dinosaurs
too now due to Ixalan. I know some are saying they could be a preview, a la the Duel Decks, but I don't feel like there is enough of either to make a cohesive commander deck around, unless you use a ton of cards from Ixalan.
Cats have gotten a new lord, but no real legendaries that I can think of recently. Quite a few angels in the SoI block, but again, no real tribal support. With Dragons just about confirmed for C17, I would think that also eliminates Angels and probably Demons. My thinking is that WotC wouldn't want 3 out of four decks to be about beefy fliers. I also don't know if they would want four 5-color decks. So there go Slivers. And Merfolk vs. Goblins really kill those tribe's chances.
Purely conjecture (except for one, almost), but the four that I would like to see would be:
Dragons: Duh. WUBRG
Wizards: More of a control/combo deck. And Wizards are pretty lacking for a lord or a commander that really cares about the tribe. U, UR, or if three colors maybe UBR, URW, or WUB
Beasts: The response to the big fliers of the dragons, but on the ground. Might be the "unexpected" tribe. Could see RG or RGW
Knights/Soldiers: Not too sure which one would resonate more. Soldiers have much more support, but are mostly in W. Knights don't have as much tribal support, and are spread out over W and B, with some of the other three in small amounts. Heavy on anthem effects either way.
It's fun to think about. No matter what though, I can't wait until we know more!
Not to bad of a guess
I elimated dinosaur and pirate because in that leak legendarys of both those creature types are tribal support legends (one for Dino's one for pirates.)
To give you points for beast that would be a way to reprint protean hulk they did it with bitterblossom for MM2 when they heard/said bitterblossom got unbanned in modern.
Although beast could potential be the same with dinosaur though they said older cards will get the dinosaur type and plus beasts are fatty
Doesn't nescesary kick the fatty tribes from this, the main commanders new ability could all be the same thing but several doubt it though.
By the way the unexspected tribe may actually be spirit they are not fattys and like angels/demons and a few other tribes with no legit tribal commander and spirits have a ton of tribal support cards already and it doesn't have to be 5-color it can Ben witch maw (WUBG) and O-Kagachi being in dragons doesn't kill them either there's still a few legendary spirits not printed yet. There was a aftermath of O-Karachi call sisters of....I forgot that spirits name.
I do not believe that Protean Hulk has been unbanned in Commander for long enough to show up in this years commander product.
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Something's telling me zombies is out for commander 2017
I think that this line of thinking may be the best way to speculate. What tribes have received attention lately, especially with legendaries/lords? Zombies for sure, especially with Gisa and Geralf, and now The Scarab God. Sphinx received a commander in HoD too. So those two are probably out. We can probably eliminate
pirates and dinosaurs
too now due to Ixalan. I know some are saying they could be a preview, a la the Duel Decks, but I don't feel like there is enough of either to make a cohesive commander deck around, unless you use a ton of cards from Ixalan.
Cats have gotten a new lord, but no real legendaries that I can think of recently. Quite a few angels in the SoI block, but again, no real tribal support. With Dragons just about confirmed for C17, I would think that also eliminates Angels and probably Demons. My thinking is that WotC wouldn't want 3 out of four decks to be about beefy fliers. I also don't know if they would want four 5-color decks. So there go Slivers. And Merfolk vs. Goblins really kill those tribe's chances.
Purely conjecture (except for one, almost), but the four that I would like to see would be:
Dragons: Duh. WUBRG
Wizards: More of a control/combo deck. And Wizards are pretty lacking for a lord or a commander that really cares about the tribe. U, UR, or if three colors maybe UBR, URW, or WUB
Beasts: The response to the big fliers of the dragons, but on the ground. Might be the "unexpected" tribe. Could see RG or RGW
Knights/Soldiers: Not too sure which one would resonate more. Soldiers have much more support, but are mostly in W. Knights don't have as much tribal support, and are spread out over W and B, with some of the other three in small amounts. Heavy on anthem effects either way.
It's fun to think about. No matter what though, I can't wait until we know more!
Not to bad of a guess
I elimated dinosaur and pirate because in that leak legendarys of both those creature types are tribal support legends (one for Dino's one for pirates.)
To give you points for beast that would be a way to reprint protean hulk they did it with bitterblossom for MM2 when they heard/said bitterblossom got unbanned in modern.
Although beast could potential be the same with dinosaur though they said older cards will get the dinosaur type and plus beasts are fatty
Doesn't nescesary kick the fatty tribes from this, the main commanders new ability could all be the same thing but several doubt it though.
By the way the unexspected tribe may actually be spirit they are not fattys and like angels/demons and a few other tribes with no legit tribal commander and spirits have a ton of tribal support cards already and it doesn't have to be 5-color it can Ben witch maw (WUBG) and O-Kagachi being in dragons doesn't kill them either there's still a few legendary spirits not printed yet. There was a aftermath of O-Karachi call sisters of....I forgot that spirits name.
I do not believe that Protean Hulk has been unbanned in Commander for long enough to show up in this years commander product.
Yea I know I just wanted say that. But bad to say it.
Doesn't nescesary kick the fatty tribes from this, the main commanders new ability could all be the same thing but several doubt it though.
Totally not counting the big creatures out. In fact it was the Eminence ability that made me include a second fatty tribe. But again that's purely speculation. It could totally be all big tribes (Angels, Demons, Hydras, etc). This all reminds me of draft speculations in sports, so fun!
By the way the unexspected tribe may actually be spirit they are not fattys and like angels/demons and a few other tribes with no legit tribal commander and spirits have a ton of tribal support cards already and it doesn't have to be 5-color it can Ben witch maw (WUBG) and O-Kagachi being in dragons doesn't kill them either there's still a few legendary spirits not printed yet. There was a aftermath of O-Karachi call sisters of....I forgot that spirits name.
I had read an interesting theory somewhere that perhaps the dragon spoiler also spoiled the other tribes too. So spirits would be in on that theory. But you are correct in that spirits are a wide ranging tribe and could totally fit.
Dyfed. Dyfed was the one who brought Yawgmoth to the plane he would name Phyrexia. Glacian's spark never ignited.
The Phyrexians originally created the oil, not the other way around. It was designed as a way to more quickly and efficiently Pyrexianize people.
And it's worth noting that Yawgmoth was a mass-murderer and a megalomaniac well before he ever set foot on Phyrexia. Hell, before he met Glacian, even.
The grand creature type update was a mistake, and WotC has admitted as much (which is why we are slowly getting old creature types back), as it lead to a lot of inconstancy. For example why is Henge Guardian a dragon and Dragon Engine not? The former is just a slightly larger dragon engine after all (in story even, as it represents Ramos, a rebellious dragon engine.
As for the Oil, Phyrexians created it, yes, but we don't actually know if it was the Yawgmoth Phyrexians that created it originally. Remember, Phyrexia is thousands of years older than Yawgmoth, he was merely brought there.
As for Yawgmoth, I am aware he was a mass-murdering megalomaniac before Phyrexia, I am merely speculating if it exacerbated his psychosis and made it worse.
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It's not Yawgmoth. By the time that card took place, Yawgmoth was not even close to human anymore. Take a look at Yawgmoth's Bargain to get an idea about just how inhuman he had become.
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Like what?
There was already inconsistency before the grand creature type update. The grand creature type update reduced inconsistency; a few things slipping through the cracks doesn't change that. Dragon Engine always lacked the dragon subtype, despite things like Tek and Draco getting it.
The first chapter of the Mirrodin novel is told from the perspective of the oil, and it is described as having been developed for use in either the Thran-Phyrexian War or the Phyrexian Invasion.
Have you read The Thran? Or even just the MTGS wiki to read up on what Yawgmoth was up to before he returned from exile? He spread plagues just to see what would happen. One time, after inciting an epidemic, he ransomed off the cure. Except he replaced the cure with snake oil for giggles. This is the kind of guy he was before even a single person had undergone Phyresis. If anything, becoming the god of Phyrexia reigned in his sociopathy and gave it focus.
You realize what ixalan is resurrecting right? (Dinosaur)
True but it's technically a new tribe unless they retcon the old beast lizards into dinosaurs.
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And we just got Monkey (in Kaladesh) and Jackal (in Amonkhet) back as well.
Pygmy Allosaurus says hi. So no, it's not a new tribe, it's a really, really, really old one.
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(W/U)(B/R)GForm of Progenitus, Shape of a Scrubland
BRGJund Tokens with Prossh, the Magic Dragon Foil
URGAnimar, the RUG CleanerFoil
RRRFeldon of the Third Path 2.0 Foil
BG(B/G)Not Another Meren DeckFoil
UR(U/R)Mizzix, Y Control and X Burn Spells
(W/U)(B/R)GHarold Ramos - The 35 Foot Long Twinkie (In +1/+1 counters)
UB(U/B)Dragonlord Silumgar
True, it was fear of "to many creature types", which is why every dinosaur after has been "elemental lizard" (Magmasaur), Beast Lizard (Shivan Raptor, Dromosaur), or just plain Lizard (Crag Saurian) or Beast (Alpha Tyrranax). It was the same fear that lead to the Grand Creature Update.
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The dragons appear to be taking up the big stompy play style, so I think we can rule out other big stompy tribes such as Giant, Octopus, Wurm, Leviathan, Kraken, and Sea Serpent.
What play styles go with what tribes?
Graveyard shenanigans? See Zombie, Spirit, Ooze, or Insect.
Artifacts matter? Let's go Artificer, Golem, Myr, or Kor.
Hard aggro? Got to be Warrior, Soldier, or Knight.
Counters? Literally any tribe fits, however, Hydra, Fungus, and Mutant are dependent on that play style.
Life-Gain? Better be Cleric, Vampire, or Angel.
Speedy aggro: Cat, Goblin, Human, Soldier, Warrior, Knight
Control: Merfolk, Cleric, Wizard
Attrition: Spirit, Zombie
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
At long last
It's time for the leak speculation...
... to end
Something's telling me zombies is out for commander 2017
That certainly helps us stop arguing about whether or not these leaks are fake. Tribal discussion will keep going for the next months until we get something about them.
I love that the Unstable set symbol is a wrench with an actual nut (acorn in this case) in it.
I don't necessarily think that it stops zombies from appearing, even Merfolk vs. Goblins doesn't stop those two from appearing. They have far less chance of it, but doesn't stop them. As for zombies I still think they could show up, it is one of the most popular tribes after all and is really easy to make a deck in different colors with them and people would definitely snatch them up.
Cats have gotten a new lord, but no real legendaries that I can think of recently. Quite a few angels in the SoI block, but again, no real tribal support. With Dragons just about confirmed for C17, I would think that also eliminates Angels and probably Demons. My thinking is that WotC wouldn't want 3 out of four decks to be about beefy fliers. I also don't know if they would want four 5-color decks. So there go Slivers. And Merfolk vs. Goblins really kill those tribe's chances.
Purely conjecture (except for one, almost), but the four that I would like to see would be:
It's fun to think about. No matter what though, I can't wait until we know more!
But my deep wish is to have an Angel tribal deck that features the Fourth Sister, and her demonic romantic interest (head canon).
Shu Yun, the Silent Tempest WUR Voltron Control
Temmet, Vizier of Naktamun WU Unblockable Mirror Trickery
Ra's al Ghul (Sidar Kondo) and Face-Down Ninjas
Brudiclad, Token Engineer
Vaevictis (VV2) the Dire Lantern
Rona, Disciple of Gix
Tiana the Auror
Hallar
Ulrich the Politician
Zur the Rebel
Scorpion, Locust, Scarab, Egyptian Gods
O-Kagachi, Mathas, Mairsil
"Non-Tribal" Tribal Generals, Eggs
Not to bad of a guess
I elimated dinosaur and pirate because in that leak legendarys of both those creature types are tribal support legends (one for Dino's one for pirates.)
To give you points for beast that would be a way to reprint protean hulk they did it with bitterblossom for MM2 when they heard/said bitterblossom got unbanned in modern.
Although beast could potential be the same with dinosaur though they said older cards will get the dinosaur type and plus beasts are fatty
Doesn't nescesary kick the fatty tribes from this, the main commanders new ability could all be the same thing but several doubt it though.
By the way the unexspected tribe may actually be spirit they are not fattys and like angels/demons and a few other tribes with no legit tribal commander and spirits have a ton of tribal support cards already and it doesn't have to be 5-color it can Ben witch maw (WUBG) and O-Kagachi being in dragons doesn't kill them either there's still a few legendary spirits not printed yet. There was a aftermath of O-Karachi call sisters of....I forgot that spirits name.
I do not believe that Protean Hulk has been unbanned in Commander for long enough to show up in this years commander product.
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Numquam evolutioni obstes. Solum conculceris.
Pascite draconem, evolvite aut morimini.
Yea I know I just wanted say that. But bad to say it.
I had read an interesting theory somewhere that perhaps the dragon spoiler also spoiled the other tribes too. So spirits would be in on that theory. But you are correct in that spirits are a wide ranging tribe and could totally fit.
Not enough goats in magic. Only eight (not counting changelings, and even then...). Besides, its popular tribes.
Incidentally, I am still of the hope that one of them will be Grixis Vampires.
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Numquam evolutioni obstes. Solum conculceris.
Pascite draconem, evolvite aut morimini.