Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
Hive Mind deck got some new toys, lets all lose in turn order.
No, just the last one in turn order, since the first one that resolves will exile the rest. It works fine in 1v1, less if more players are in the game.
Isn't this mostly a worse final fortune? Glorious end lets your opponent untap his lands, at least, or even draw a card if you insist on "countering" a spell. There are corner cases where it is better, but most of the time you'd rather avoid your opponent untapping.
Maybe I'm overlooking something, but a reprint would have done the job.
Having them draw a card is pretty irrelevant. If you're casting this then you're taking the most valuable card in their hand, otherwise why are you carting it? It's a weird sort of card-parity-by-proxy.
Using it as a counter is also a bit of an "oh *****" button. You stop them winning on the spot which is potentially partially unpredictable so you couldn't know you needed to final fortune until it was too late.
Lastly, if they have mana up the previous turn, but shields-down to go for the kill, this will do a lot more than final fortune.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
Check out the thread for my cube if you have the time, and tell me how terrible it is.
Generals meant to be drafted first in a single pack of 6 cards.
And here is the actual cube, meant to be drafted in 4 regular sized packs. (60 card decks)
Hive Mind deck got some new toys, lets all lose in turn order.
No, just the last one in turn order, since the first one that resolves will exile the rest. It works fine in 1v1, less if more players are in the game.
It might not work perfectly, but it can still counter any pact payments you need to/can't make, while giving the player on your left a guaranteed death on their next end step, while conveniently exiling your copy, so you don't have any remaining 'you lose' triggers floating around.
Hive Mind deck got some new toys, lets all lose in turn order.
No, just the last one in turn order, since the first one that resolves will exile the rest. It works fine in 1v1, less if more players are in the game.
That's so much better, thanks for pointing that out!
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
Seems like a Burn player in Modern might want to SB it in an Ad Nauseam/Scapeshift/combo heavy meta.
And look on the bright side. Tired of sitting around while your opponent is taking a 15 minute turn on some Eggs deck? Just get the loss over faster. This should do the trick.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
Playing since 1994: Currently MAGS (HomeBrew),Standard & Pauper (Pioneer and Modern are degenerate trash formats)
STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
Margaret Thatcher: “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
How would this interact with something that said "Skip your next turn"?
You skip that turn and then it still resolves the following next turn?
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
Playing since 1994: Currently MAGS (HomeBrew),Standard & Pauper (Pioneer and Modern are degenerate trash formats)
STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
Margaret Thatcher: “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
Red and Blue are very much kindred to each other, very Sun and Moon. This is a cheaper Time Stop in Red. However what people may forget is that while Blue may take its time to analyze the long term and avoid pitfalls, Red is far more short-sighted in its planning. Red looks to Blue who casts Time Walk and tries to replicate the same benefit. Although they succeed in replicating the spell with Last Chance, because of their short-sighted planning, they also have a consequence that ultimately costs them.
Watching the evolution of this thread is hysterical.
Page one - "This card is unplayable bulk mythic. Why do you hate Red, Wotc?"
Page two - "Actually, this card is insane. Here's why."
Page three+ - "This card ruins the color pie and is too powerful. Why do you hate all the other colors, WotC???"
Real talk I don't think this will see play in Standard or Modern even with Gideon of the Trials and Sundial of the Infinite although there's certainly some potential there. It is a major deal in Legacy, however, where frequently one turn is all you need and this is Counterspell + Time Walk + Fog as a way of thwarting all sorts of shenanigans and giving yourself a turn to go off in response, hopefully unmolested.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
Sufferer of EDHD
Commander - Currently Playing: RCRDaretti: Superfriends Forever RCR WGBDoran: Ent-mootWBG GGGMultani: Group Bear HugGGG GB(B/G)The Gitrog Monster: Dredgefall DurdleGB(B/G) RGWGahiji, the Honored Group Hug MonsterRGW UB(U/B)Yuriko, Ninja Trinket AggroUB(U/B) WUBRGAtogatog: Assembling a OHKOWUBRG
My opponent attacks all out with his creatures. In response I cast this card. Does this nullify the attack and his creatures still stay tapped and the turn ends?
My opponent attacks all out with his creatures. In response I cast this card. Does this nullify the attack and his creatures still stay tapped and the turn ends?
Yes. It's a basically "counter anything and everything" spell.
My opponent attacks all out with his creatures. In response I cast this card. Does this nullify the attack and his creatures still stay tapped and the turn ends?
Yes. Anything happening just...stops happening. His creatures are tapped, but no damage is dealt and he gets no "second main phase".
With a way to nullify the drawback, this card is very dangerous.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
Sufferer of EDHD
Commander - Currently Playing: RCRDaretti: Superfriends Forever RCR WGBDoran: Ent-mootWBG GGGMultani: Group Bear HugGGG GB(B/G)The Gitrog Monster: Dredgefall DurdleGB(B/G) RGWGahiji, the Honored Group Hug MonsterRGW UB(U/B)Yuriko, Ninja Trinket AggroUB(U/B) WUBRGAtogatog: Assembling a OHKOWUBRG
To post a comment, please login or register a new account.
Stop Time.
I won't even charge you for that one.
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
No, just the last one in turn order, since the first one that resolves will exile the rest. It works fine in 1v1, less if more players are in the game.
Having them draw a card is pretty irrelevant. If you're casting this then you're taking the most valuable card in their hand, otherwise why are you carting it? It's a weird sort of card-parity-by-proxy.
Using it as a counter is also a bit of an "oh *****" button. You stop them winning on the spot which is potentially partially unpredictable so you couldn't know you needed to final fortune until it was too late.
Lastly, if they have mana up the previous turn, but shields-down to go for the kill, this will do a lot more than final fortune.
Generals meant to be drafted first in a single pack of 6 cards.
And here is the actual cube, meant to be drafted in 4 regular sized packs. (60 card decks)
I'd say all-in effects like this are pretty red, so nothing to complain about color pie really.
Also, that's a mythic-feeling mythic, if I've ever seen one, like it a lot.
W(W/U)U Ephara - Flash & Taxes W(W/U)U || B(B/G)G Meren - Circle of Life B(B/G)G
RGW Marath - Ever shifting Wilds RGW || (U/R)C(W/B) Breya - Artificial Dominion (U/R)C(W/B)
UBR Becket Brass - take what you can, give nothing back UBR
It might not work perfectly, but it can still counter any pact payments you need to/can't make, while giving the player on your left a guaranteed death on their next end step, while conveniently exiling your copy, so you don't have any remaining 'you lose' triggers floating around.
That's so much better, thanks for pointing that out!
So basically, all they need to do is staple a "you lose" clause on to any other card,
and it automatically becomes color-appropriate for Red?
I don't think I agree with that.
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
And look on the bright side. Tired of sitting around while your opponent is taking a 15 minute turn on some Eggs deck? Just get the loss over faster. This should do the trick.
STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
Margaret Thatcher: “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
It means things like Giant Growth wear off
This is the exact same thing as Time Warp and Final Fortune. Actually, it's in the exact same vein. This is a red Timestop, that costs exactly 3 less.
You may not agree with it, but there is precedent. And no, tacking on "you lose" to any spell won't make it red. Hyperbole much?
You skip that turn and then it still resolves the following next turn?
STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
Margaret Thatcher: “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
Well these kind of effects are rare, but red does crazy stuff if they give up a lot.
This is pretty much just Final Fortune in almost any regards.
WUBRG#BlackLotusMatterWUBRG
👮👮👮 #BlueLivesMatter 👮👮👮
In fact even the amonkhet gods reflect this nature with Hazoret the Fervent and Kefnet the Mindful.
Page one - "This card is unplayable bulk mythic. Why do you hate Red, Wotc?"
Page two - "Actually, this card is insane. Here's why."
Page three+ - "This card ruins the color pie and is too powerful. Why do you hate all the other colors, WotC???"
Real talk I don't think this will see play in Standard or Modern even with Gideon of the Trials and Sundial of the Infinite although there's certainly some potential there. It is a major deal in Legacy, however, where frequently one turn is all you need and this is Counterspell + Time Walk + Fog as a way of thwarting all sorts of shenanigans and giving yourself a turn to go off in response, hopefully unmolested.
RCRDaretti: Superfriends Forever RCR
WGBDoran: Ent-mootWBG
GGGMultani: Group Bear HugGGG
GB(B/G)The Gitrog Monster: Dredgefall DurdleGB(B/G)
RGWGahiji, the Honored Group Hug MonsterRGW
UB(U/B)Yuriko, Ninja Trinket AggroUB(U/B)
WUBRGAtogatog: Assembling a OHKOWUBRG
It's not stopped unless you can give Undoing flash. It's a delayed trigger, meaning it will trigger again on your next end step.
If Undoing was castable at instant speed, you could do it in response to the trigger and it wouldn't come back.
Want to be a better Magic player? Read the rulings forum and check out the comprehensive rules!
My opponent attacks all out with his creatures. In response I cast this card. Does this nullify the attack and his creatures still stay tapped and the turn ends?
Now we're talking the kind of jank I like...
Alchemist's Refuge or Vedalken Orrery or Leyline of Anticipation or Hypersonic Dragon can get the job done too.
Want to be a better Magic player? Read the rulings forum and check out the comprehensive rules!
Yes. It's a basically "counter anything and everything" spell.
Yes. Anything happening just...stops happening. His creatures are tapped, but no damage is dealt and he gets no "second main phase".
With a way to nullify the drawback, this card is very dangerous.
RCRDaretti: Superfriends Forever RCR
WGBDoran: Ent-mootWBG
GGGMultani: Group Bear HugGGG
GB(B/G)The Gitrog Monster: Dredgefall DurdleGB(B/G)
RGWGahiji, the Honored Group Hug MonsterRGW
UB(U/B)Yuriko, Ninja Trinket AggroUB(U/B)
WUBRGAtogatog: Assembling a OHKOWUBRG