Don't call it trash until we have the full set and people have brewed. Need we remind you that "free" has an history of being broken in magic? Don't under estimate free.
(How does "pay 0" interact with variable cycling cost? X is zero I'd guess, otherwise it would be broken.)
Excuse my doubt but I don't think that anytime me "free" has been broken in standard magic has it also come at a 6 mana sorcery speed price tag.
I honestly can't believe there are several people in this thread who are convinced this is going to be amazing when it only makes your card selection free and on turn 6 while tapping out. If people are really banking on this then I'd hate to know how disappointed they'll be to spend 6 mana to get Negated.
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"Pop in, find a dragon, roast a dragon."
-Chandra Nalaar
You are paying 6 mana for Concentrate with this spell. Very disappointing that we get blue rares like this.
When does a blue player want to have 7 cards in his or her hand without being about to use them. Card advantage is only good when you can use the spells.
Don't call it trash until we have the full set and people have brewed. Need we remind you that "free" has an history of being broken in magic? Don't under estimate free.
(How does "pay 0" interact with variable cycling cost? X is zero I'd guess, otherwise it would be broken.)
Excuse my doubt but I don't think that anytime me "free" has been broken in standard magic has it also come at a 6 mana sorcery speed price tag.
I honestly can't believe there are several people in this thread who are convinced this is going to be amazing when it only makes your card selection free and on turn 6 while tapping out. If people are really banking on this then I'd hate to know how disappointed they'll be to spend 6 mana to get Negated.
I doubt it will be amazing but to dismiss it out of hand is doing yourself a disservice. Fluctuator is clearly stronger than this card, being a third of the cost and less restrictive, but it was also broken enough to be on the banned list during the most powerful standard format of all time. At the very least this is worth exploring because the effect is powerful and you even get to draw some cards to boot.
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Don't call it trash until we have the full set and people have brewed. Need we remind you that "free" has an history of being broken in magic? Don't under estimate free.
(How does "pay 0" interact with variable cycling cost? X is zero I'd guess, otherwise it would be broken.)
Excuse my doubt but I don't think that anytime me "free" has been broken in standard magic has it also come at a 6 mana sorcery speed price tag.
I honestly can't believe there are several people in this thread who are convinced this is going to be amazing when it only makes your card selection free and on turn 6 while tapping out. If people are really banking on this then I'd hate to know how disappointed they'll be to spend 6 mana to get Negated.
I mean, Dream Halls butts right up against your price tag, and was pretty broken. And Time Spiral is literally a six mana sorcery that's very broken because it is "free".
I don't think this card comes anywhere close to those two, but "don't underestimate free" is a pretty good point. I think it's most likely to find a home in cycle theme EDH decks, but it can be a powerhouse there.
EDIT: And yeah, as far as I know there are no X cost cycling cards. Closest you will find is Decree of Justice, which has an X triggered ability, seperate from teh cycling cost.
This card is really fun. I normally dismiss outright junk like Cruel Reality but I don't think this is worse. Resounding Thunder and its brethren would love it, as do Decree of Pain cycle.
This feels like Amonkhet's versions of Search the City and Conjured Currency. It feels like it would take something really goofy like an all-cycling Laboratory Maniac deck for this to be competitive.
You sir are a gentleman and a scholar. I can't wait till I can play my bicycle land out, thus making me heckbent, while I have Nessie on the field. You know, so I can attack with my Pervert.
Return to Theros before Amonkhet rotates? There's probably not enough time if the speculated next sets are Atlazan/Return to Dominaria. If only we'd had Announcement Day already!
You sir are a gentleman and a scholar. I can't wait till I can play my bicycle land out, thus making me heckbent, while I have Nessie on the field. You know, so I can attack with my Pervert.
I assume this only applies to regular cycling and not typecycling?
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
PSA to everyone who keeps forgetting about the Reserved List:
You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
IF we really really want to get into the nitty gritty. Technically Fluctuator is WORSE than New Perspectives. Why? Because Flux only reduces the cycling cost by 2. Perspectives on the other hand replaces the cycling cost with 0. To put this in further perspective, Flux can only reduce Decree of Annihilation to RR if you have three out. Perspective can, by itself, reduce the cost of Decree of Annihilation to 0 for cycling purposes. Everyone who says that Perspectives is weaker than Flux certainly has a very weird perspective.
This card's flavortext was probably the teams mantra when they designed Amonkhet, because I don't have even the faintest idea what this set wants me to do.
I'm SO SICK of the "too strong for Standard" argument. It's the new "Dies to removal". We can have a two mana 4/4 with a zillion abilities, but we can't just have Accumulated Knowledge. Makes sense.
This card's flavortext was probably the teams mantra when they designed Amonkhet, because I don't have even the faintest idea what this set wants me to do.
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If it weren't almost certainly about to be banned, Felidar Guardian could have made this card borderline playable.
You know, I wasn't thinking how dumb blink would be with all these global enchantments. It makes me wanna build a skybinding EDH deck with weird enchants and Felidar/Flickerwisp type cards.
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Check out the thread for my cube if you have the time, and tell me how terrible it is.
Generals meant to be drafted first in a single pack of 6 cards.
And here is the actual cube, meant to be drafted in 4 regular sized packs. (60 card decks)
Nope. Fluctuator doesn't reduce the colored mana cost of cycling, whereas this one removes it completely.
I know what they both do lol I'm not saying this is worse than fluctuator i'm implying that for 2 colorless mana vs 5U, fluctuator is a better value at its CMC. Fluctuator has a low floor and mid ceiling where this has a high floor high ceiling. Also lets not forget its conditional, turn 6+ in EDH I don't have a full grip usually.
Nope. Fluctuator doesn't reduce the colored mana cost of cycling, whereas this one removes it completely.
I know what they both do lol I'm not saying this is worse than fluctuator i'm implying that for 2 colorless mana vs 5U, fluctuator is a better value at its CMC. Fluctuator has a low floor and mid ceiling where this has a high floor high ceiling. Also lets not forget its conditional, turn 6+ in EDH I don't have a full grip usually.
You're evaluating this as if it doesn't draw you three cards.
I hear Ancestral Recall can be useful sometimes
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This card is in dire need of Reminisce effects for you to burn through your deck to get your best stuffs.
Well, on the other hand, at least with a few cards that gives you benefit when cycling them, this looks ok if you can somehow play drawgo in limited...
But these bad boys are the way to go with it.
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The decree cycle is by far the best cycle cards to use with this.
Wonder if you can build a deck that is FULL of cycling, like literally any card has cycling (except these enchantments) and you just combo to it.
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I honestly can't believe there are several people in this thread who are convinced this is going to be amazing when it only makes your card selection free and on turn 6 while tapping out. If people are really banking on this then I'd hate to know how disappointed they'll be to spend 6 mana to get Negated.
-Chandra Nalaar
When does a blue player want to have 7 cards in his or her hand without being about to use them. Card advantage is only good when you can use the spells.
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I doubt it will be amazing but to dismiss it out of hand is doing yourself a disservice. Fluctuator is clearly stronger than this card, being a third of the cost and less restrictive, but it was also broken enough to be on the banned list during the most powerful standard format of all time. At the very least this is worth exploring because the effect is powerful and you even get to draw some cards to boot.
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I don't think this card comes anywhere close to those two, but "don't underestimate free" is a pretty good point. I think it's most likely to find a home in cycle theme EDH decks, but it can be a powerhouse there.
EDIT: And yeah, as far as I know there are no X cost cycling cards. Closest you will find is Decree of Justice, which has an X triggered ability, seperate from teh cycling cost.
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Return to Theros before Amonkhet rotates? There's probably not enough time if the speculated next sets are Atlazan/Return to Dominaria. If only we'd had Announcement Day already!
Nope. Fluctuator doesn't reduce the colored mana cost of cycling, whereas this one removes it completely.
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
No, it would apply to typecycling. Typecycling abilities are cycling abilities, and their costs are cycling costs.
This sets want you to mummify cats then reanimate their mummified corpses. Sounds a little dark when you say it like that, doesn't it?
Felidar Guardian could have made this card borderline playable.
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
You know, I wasn't thinking how dumb blink would be with all these global enchantments. It makes me wanna build a skybinding EDH deck with weird enchants and Felidar/Flickerwisp type cards.
Generals meant to be drafted first in a single pack of 6 cards.
And here is the actual cube, meant to be drafted in 4 regular sized packs. (60 card decks)
I know what they both do lol I'm not saying this is worse than fluctuator i'm implying that for 2 colorless mana vs 5U, fluctuator is a better value at its CMC. Fluctuator has a low floor and mid ceiling where this has a high floor high ceiling. Also lets not forget its conditional, turn 6+ in EDH I don't have a full grip usually.
You're evaluating this as if it doesn't draw you three cards.
I hear Ancestral Recall can be useful sometimes
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
Well, on the other hand, at least with a few cards that gives you benefit when cycling them, this looks ok if you can somehow play drawgo in limited...