Since the new Liliana works with -1/-1 counters, it's possible that Gideon works with one of the other mechanics. White has historically been a color that cares about cycling, but it's equally likely that he's designed to show off one of the newer mechanics.
If he is designed to work with Exert, it might be possible that his plus 1 is there to counteract its downside, which could very well be "This creature doesn't untap during its controller's next untap step."
It's not only possible; we have a (fuzzy) screenshot indicating just that!
Gideon, Martial Paragon 4W
+2: Untap all creatures you control. Those creatures get +1/+1 until end of turn.
0: Until end of turn, Gideon, Martial Paragon becomes a 5/5 human soldier creature with indestructible that is still a Planeswalker. Prevent all damage that would be dealt to Gideon this turn.
-10: Creatures you control get +2/+2. Tap all creatures your opponents control.
Sounds like a perfect fit with Exert to me!
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The name Glorybringer I feel should have been on an angel more than a dragon but seems amazing for limited. Archfiend looks solid again and the Vault looks really breakable in EDH but i doubt will see play anywhere else.
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1. It's a cost efficient flier that dodges fatal push.
2. -1/-1 counters help to counter constrictor's shtick.
3. It can block Aethersphere Harvester favorably and its ability can shrink vehicles down at instant speed.
4. If you have a single free form of discard (such as Olivia's Dragoon), you have protection against saheeli.
5. Collective Brutality is still standard-legal.
6. If you don't need it, you can cycle it.
Yeah, that demons looks very powerful. Just ridiculously good against creature-based decks if you have enough cycling and/or discard outlets in your deck. It also triggers itself and can get you a redraw if you're searching for a specific card.
This is the standard equivalent of Legacy players saying "it pitches to Force of Will" ... ie, not a good reason to play a card.
You're never going to cycle this guy in a normal game unless you're mana-screwed or you need to find some specific effect to avoid losing. He's not even legendary, you can play the second copy!
Archfiend is bananas, so no, that's just a joke and will never happen. But if we get a nerfed version, we can dub it "Mild Mongrel" and you can thank my phone's autocorrect for that.
This is the standard equivalent of Legacy players saying "it pitches to Force of Will" ... ie, not a good reason to play a card.
You're never going to cycle this guy in a normal game unless you're mana-screwed or you need to find some specific effect to avoid losing. He's not even legendary, you can play the second copy!
Normally, I would agree with that completely. Because of its ability, however, discarding a second one can be used as a combat trick... such as if you fear being attacked by a nigh-infinite number of 1-power cats.
Archfiend is bananas, so no, that's just a joke and will never happen. But if we get a nerfed version, we can dub it "Mild Mongrel" and you can thank my phone's autocorrect for that.
You do know that noose constrictor is still legal in constructed, right? Color-changing isn't too relevant these days so that reach ability makes the snake better than mongrel in many cases.
This is the standard equivalent of Legacy players saying "it pitches to Force of Will" ... ie, not a good reason to play a card.
You're never going to cycle this guy in a normal game unless you're mana-screwed or you need to find some specific effect to avoid losing. He's not even legendary, you can play the second copy!
Normally, I would agree with that completely. Because of its ability, however, discarding a second one can be used as a combat trick... such as if you fear being attacked by a nigh-infinite number of 1-power cats.
Archfiend is bananas, so no, that's just a joke and will never happen. But if we get a nerfed version, we can dub it "Mild Mongrel" and you can thank my phone's autocorrect for that.
You do know that noose constrictor is still legal in constructed, right? Color-changing isn't too relevant these days so that reach ability makes the snake better than mongrel in many cases.
Nope, sure didn't, because I don't give half a crap about standard. Funny though.
The dragon looks good in my book. Haste is what makes it playable, being able to kill a creature or a planeswalker or even both the turn it enters is bonkers. I think that's not hard to achieve and you still end up with a flying threat your opponent can't ignore.
The dragon looks good in my book. Haste is what makes it playable, being able to kill a creature or a planeswalker or even both the turn it enters is bonkers. I think that's not hard to achieve and you still end up with a flying threat your opponent can't ignore.
Flicker effects might make this playable in standard.
Maybe they change "cycling" so permanents can be "cycled" aswell (by sacrificng them) , which would make a hole lot more cantrips viable, like all the clue-stones would simply have "cycling" (i mean, people used to call it cycling anyway, as its 2 mana = draw a card).
That would make sence for the archfiends wording too.
Glorybringer wording is strange. It can be activated even if it enters the battlefield tapped and attacking, correct?
"Non-Dragon" restriction is unusual too. Don't know shat should it mean.
On topic, the oracle card is a really neat design, will be fun in EDH and might see play somewhere else. Hard to evaluate the dragon until we know what exert does. I'm guessing we will be seeing a lot of it since it seems like an attacking option and they didn't feel the need to reminder it on the rare. I suspect the -1/-1 counter theory is correct as it will support other themes in the set.
Why wouldn't they reprint Miscalculation? Is there something broken about it? It seems to be a slightly better Mana Leak cos you can get rid of it when ML is no longer viable. But it doesn't seem busted.
Generally speaking, they have been very careful about anything close to leak's power level. I believe they described it as having a format warping effect last time it was in standard. Recently, with the "weak answers" standard philosophy, they've been unwilling to even approach an efficient 2cc counterspell. Either way, miscalculation is on the same level as leak, better some of the time, but worse others. I suspect it would be fun to try in Modern and very good in standard, which is why they probably won't print it under their current design philosophy. See spell snip and revolutionary rebuff as examples of where they prefer counterspell power to exist, currently.
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Maybe they change "cycling" so permanents can be "cycled" aswell (by sacrificng them) , which would make a hole lot more cantrips viable, like all the clue-stones would simply have "cycling" (i mean, people used to call it cycling anyway, as its 2 mana = draw a card).
That would make sence for the archfiends wording too.
But it still says "Discard this card". So no they didn't change it. And cycling evolved why back in Odessey block from just being 2 to many varied costs which further continued being varied during Alara block. It's just become synonymous with paying its cost, drawing and maybe getting an additional effect.
I'm pretty sure the demons effect states dicard as well as cycling so the effect won't be parasitic. Haveing discard in the text keeps it open ended and having cycling in the text encourages a deck archetype. They've been doing everything they can to avoid parasitism since Splice & Arcane in Kamigawa. Astral Slide and other older cards like it don't trigger off of normal discard meaning you had to play cycling cards just to use it in the first place. The demons allows you to work with other mechanics like Embalm. This let them not have to put cycling on every embalm creature, which would have been ridiculous value, while still interacting with the demon.
Glorybringer wording is strange. It can be activated even if it enters the battlefield tapped and attacking, correct?
"Non-Dragon" restriction is unusual too. Don't know shat should it mean.
As a Kaalia player, it sounds like Glorybringer has Flameblast syndrome. (Flameblast Dragon)
It is an ability that triggers when it is declared as an attacker, but if you put Glorybringer onto the battlefield tapped and attacking, you are already passed the point where you could choose to use its Exert ability.
However, because it has haste, it is still useful if it is hard casted.
"Non-dragon" in this context is simply any creature whose creature type isn't "Dragon." Wizards doesn't want Glorybringer's Exert ability to hit other dragons.
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Glorybringer wording is strange. It can be activated even if it enters the battlefield tapped and attacking, correct?
"Non-Dragon" restriction is unusual too. Don't know shat should it mean.
"Non-dragon" in this context is simply any creature whose creature type isn't "Dragon." Wizards doesn't want Glorybringer's Exert ability to hit other dragons.
Yes. I just wonder why. "Target creature without flying" is more typical for red. But as Atarka EDH player, I shouldn't complain.
It's not only possible; we have a (fuzzy) screenshot indicating just that!
+2: Untap all creatures you control. Those creatures get +1/+1 until end of turn.
0: Until end of turn, Gideon, Martial Paragon becomes a 5/5 human soldier creature with indestructible that is still a Planeswalker. Prevent all damage that would be dealt to Gideon this turn.
-10: Creatures you control get +2/+2. Tap all creatures your opponents control.
Sounds like a perfect fit with Exert to me!
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1. It's a cost efficient flier that dodges fatal push.
2. -1/-1 counters help to counter constrictor's shtick.
3. It can block Aethersphere Harvester favorably and its ability can shrink vehicles down at instant speed.
4. If you have a single free form of discard (such as Olivia's Dragoon), you have protection against saheeli.
5. Collective Brutality is still standard-legal.
6. If you don't need it, you can cycle it.
This is the standard equivalent of Legacy players saying "it pitches to Force of Will" ... ie, not a good reason to play a card.
You're never going to cycle this guy in a normal game unless you're mana-screwed or you need to find some specific effect to avoid losing. He's not even legendary, you can play the second copy!
Archfiend is bananas, so no, that's just a joke and will never happen. But if we get a nerfed version, we can dub it "Mild Mongrel" and you can thank my phone's autocorrect for that.
Normally, I would agree with that completely. Because of its ability, however, discarding a second one can be used as a combat trick... such as if you fear being attacked by a nigh-infinite number of 1-power cats.
You do know that noose constrictor is still legal in constructed, right? Color-changing isn't too relevant these days so that reach ability makes the snake better than mongrel in many cases.
Nope, sure didn't, because I don't give half a crap about standard. Funny though.
Flicker effects might make this playable in standard.
Fateful Showdown, Chandra, Flamecaller, Collective Defiance, and Forgotten Creation.
I like that my Noose Constrictor now constricts everybody!
Was literally just going to post something like this. There are a glut of discard effects in Standard right now (the ones you mentioned, plus Oath of Jace, Call the Bloodline, Bedlam Reveler, Geier Reach Sanitarium, Key to the City, Nahiri, etc, etc, etc) The demon is a one-sided sweeper on a stick.
That would make sence for the archfiends wording too.
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It also makes Fateful Showdown better.
"Non-Dragon" restriction is unusual too. Don't know shat should it mean.
Generally speaking, they have been very careful about anything close to leak's power level. I believe they described it as having a format warping effect last time it was in standard. Recently, with the "weak answers" standard philosophy, they've been unwilling to even approach an efficient 2cc counterspell. Either way, miscalculation is on the same level as leak, better some of the time, but worse others. I suspect it would be fun to try in Modern and very good in standard, which is why they probably won't print it under their current design philosophy. See spell snip and revolutionary rebuff as examples of where they prefer counterspell power to exist, currently.
But it still says "Discard this card". So no they didn't change it. And cycling evolved why back in Odessey block from just being 2 to many varied costs which further continued being varied during Alara block. It's just become synonymous with paying its cost, drawing and maybe getting an additional effect.
I'm pretty sure the demons effect states dicard as well as cycling so the effect won't be parasitic. Haveing discard in the text keeps it open ended and having cycling in the text encourages a deck archetype. They've been doing everything they can to avoid parasitism since Splice & Arcane in Kamigawa. Astral Slide and other older cards like it don't trigger off of normal discard meaning you had to play cycling cards just to use it in the first place. The demons allows you to work with other mechanics like Embalm. This let them not have to put cycling on every embalm creature, which would have been ridiculous value, while still interacting with the demon.
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As a Kaalia player, it sounds like Glorybringer has Flameblast syndrome. (Flameblast Dragon)
It is an ability that triggers when it is declared as an attacker, but if you put Glorybringer onto the battlefield tapped and attacking, you are already passed the point where you could choose to use its Exert ability.
However, because it has haste, it is still useful if it is hard casted.
"Non-dragon" in this context is simply any creature whose creature type isn't "Dragon." Wizards doesn't want Glorybringer's Exert ability to hit other dragons.
Now I get to get my hopes up for this only to have them dashed:
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Yes. I just wonder why. "Target creature without flying" is more typical for red. But as Atarka EDH player, I shouldn't complain.