If the set sold for regular MSRP of $4 a booster pack, I'd be interested. The packs cost too much. As many good reprints as there may be in the set. If wizards had simply reprinted all of these cards in small amounts in standard sets then there wouldn't be a modern masters. Then no one would find $10 booster packs interesting. Have fun buying the $10 booster packs.
I'll probably buy a few singles and benefit from other people wasting their money. Specifically blood moon. If blood moon falls to $5 each I'll pick some up.
If you want $5 Blood Moons, you should have bought too many Chronicles packs like I did back in the day. Blood Moons were $5 for the LONGEST time (from the time they were printed until about three years ago).
Never gonna get that low again. It's like asking Liliana of the Veil to be $15 again. Blood Moon will never see print in a Standard-legal set again because it makes the game VERY unfun for anyone not prepared for it.
If the set sold for regular MSRP of $4 a booster pack, I'd be interested. The packs cost too much. As many good reprints as there may be in the set. If wizards had simply reprinted all of these cards in small amounts in standard sets then there wouldn't be a modern masters. Then no one would find $10 booster packs interesting. Have fun buying the $10 booster packs.
I'll probably buy a few singles and benefit from other people wasting their money. Specifically blood moon. If blood moon falls to $5 each I'll pick some up.
People that feel $5 for a Blood Moon is reasonable should probably refrain from pricing comments in general.
Personally, given the cost of playing digital card games, I'm of the opinion that Magic is incredibly unreasonably priced.
If they want to try to push the standard meta back towards monocolored decks like they did in Theros, reprinting Blood Moon in a Standard expansion would help get them there (and sell packs for other-format players, too).
If the set sold for regular MSRP of $4 a booster pack, I'd be interested. The packs cost too much. As many good reprints as there may be in the set. If wizards had simply reprinted all of these cards in small amounts in standard sets then there wouldn't be a modern masters. Then no one would find $10 booster packs interesting. Have fun buying the $10 booster packs.
I'll probably buy a few singles and benefit from other people wasting their money. Specifically blood moon. If blood moon falls to $5 each I'll pick some up.
People that feel $5 for a Blood Moon is reasonable should probably refrain from pricing comments in general.
hahahaha
Blood moon was a cheap playable card for most of magics existence. It's normal price was $5 to $10. People who think blood moon shouldn't be $5 should probably refrain from making comments about pricing in general. Master sets at $10 per pack price points are not good for the game. If you can't see that then you probably don't see how bad the game is doing right now. You can't add an even higher premium to a luxury product. Even standard players don't want to pay $4 a pack. Anyone who plays standard pays $2.50 a pack.
If the set sold for regular MSRP of $4 a booster pack, I'd be interested. The packs cost too much. As many good reprints as there may be in the set. If wizards had simply reprinted all of these cards in small amounts in standard sets then there wouldn't be a modern masters. Then no one would find $10 booster packs interesting. Have fun buying the $10 booster packs.
I'll probably buy a few singles and benefit from other people wasting their money. Specifically blood moon. If blood moon falls to $5 each I'll pick some up.
People that feel $5 for a Blood Moon is reasonable should probably refrain from pricing comments in general.
hahahaha
Blood moon was a cheap playable card for most of magics existence. It's normal price was $5 to $10. People who think blood moon shouldn't be $5 should probably refrain from making comments about pricing in general. Master sets at $10 per pack price points are not good for the game. If you can't see that then you probably don't see how bad the game is doing right now. You can't add an even higher premium to a luxury product. Even standard players don't want to pay $4 a pack. Anyone who plays standard pays $2.50 a pack.
This recent notion that somehow playable cards need to cost $50+ for Magic to survive is insane. Where did these people come from? For most of Magic's history the vast majority of playable cards did not go over $20 and most were under $10. Then Wizards creates mythic rarity, shifts the power level from uncommon and common to rare and mythic, and a bunch of wannabe day traders come in to play babby's first stock market and suddenly cards NEED to cost $50 or Magic will die. And if you dare to question this then you clearly want everything printed at common and worthless because there isn't a middle ground, either Jund costs $3000 or everything is worthless.
Did you know at one point the top deck was made up almost entirely of commons and uncommons? UG Madness was dominant for a long time and it had maybe one or two rares in it. How did Magic ever survive??????? How did LGS not go under???
I'm a little unhappy with the last day--was hoping for Chalice of the Void or Crucible of Worlds as the final artifact and mythic. But hey; enemy fetches at *rare* alone is pretty good. Add in Lili, Goyf, Snap, Cavern, Damnation and that's a pretty spicy top-ten chase cards, even before you remember Blood Moon, Goblin Guide and other value.
I was hoping for one more chase and one more value uncommon (Manamorphose or Simian Spirit Guide would've been fair and on-theme) but that's life in the big city.
No Mox Opal? Well, most predictions were pretty spot on
We knew many days ago that there were very few artifacts in the set beyond the signets (not to mention that Izzet Signet and Orzhov Signet were consecutively-numbered colorless artifacts, allowing for no card alphabetically between them).
It seems they quite deliberately went against using any Artifacts Matter themes in this set, which IMHO is a welcome change of pace to the KLD-AER "Artifacts are the only things that matter" limited environments we've been soaking in for most of the past six months.
I'm a little unhappy with the last day--was hoping for Chalice of the Void or Crucible of Worlds as the final artifact and mythic. But hey; enemy fetches at *rare* alone is pretty good. Add in Lili, Goyf, Snap, Cavern, Damnation and that's a pretty spicy top-ten chase cards, even before you remember Blood Moon, Goblin Guide and other value.
I was hoping for one more chase and one more value uncommon (Manamorphose or Simian Spirit Guide would've been fair and on-theme) but that's life in the big city.
to be honest, I'm more than happy with the value of this set. or at least happy enough to not be upset over a few cards left out
I think anything big they missed here they will reprint in commander 2017 and eternal masters. As long as the card is priced under 20 usd it's eligible for commander reprints. What is really bad is that they printed Goblin Guide and then proceeded to NOT print any of the needed burn cards to support that deck type. Also, the mana dork they picked for their format is Avacyn's Pilgrim... seriously? Stoic Angel, Avacyn's Pilgrim... You're missing two colors wizards with your mana dork, two very important colors.
Wizards: "We're going to put in a bant color combo rare! Quick, we need a mana dork for the set for filler!"
Some guy in the back: "Print noble hierarch."
Wizards: "Hey, we got a guy named Avacyn's pilgrim. It has the word Avacyn in it! PRINT IT!"
Some guy in the back:
All of us:
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
We all know the last day of spoilers for these sets are chaff... and I'm even satisfied with the chaff.
The number of absolute snoozers at rare is pretty low. Even the "low-value" rares like Hellrider, Zealous Conscripts, the overload cards, Call of the Herd etc are old constructed staples that are properly nostalgic while also being powerful enough to slot into decks/cubes everywhere.
If the set sold for regular MSRP of $4 a booster pack, I'd be interested. The packs cost too much. As many good reprints as there may be in the set. If wizards had simply reprinted all of these cards in small amounts in standard sets then there wouldn't be a modern masters. Then no one would find $10 booster packs interesting. Have fun buying the $10 booster packs.
I'll probably buy a few singles and benefit from other people wasting their money. Specifically blood moon. If blood moon falls to $5 each I'll pick some up.
If you want $5 Blood Moons, you should have bought too many Chronicles packs like I did back in the day. Blood Moons were $5 for the LONGEST time (from the time they were printed until about three years ago).
Never gonna get that low again. It's like asking Liliana of the Veil to be $15 again. Blood Moon will never see print in a Standard-legal set again because it makes the game VERY unfun for anyone not prepared for it.
They wont be that low, but if WoTC starts actually not depending on hoarders releasing cards later to sell at high premiums and does enough reprinting to keep cards available in shop, the prices will fall eventually. They need to do this or give up on modern entirely because no one will want to put up with all the ever increasing costs of cards. A playset of commons in this format can cost someone 20 usd and rares can cost as much as a PS4 Pro (or nintendo switch after they force you to buy a pro controller and game). The entire thing is just absurd as well because they are saying it's the format where people can play with rotated out cards, yet they also made it competitive so you have to own cards from sets so old and out of print that finding the cards for a decent price can involve pawn shop delving and craigs list.
Sometimes I feel like Modern and legacy are the results of a company that has stuck itself on top of a mountain thumbing through daily tasks with zero communication to their audience, relies completely on tossing messengers into the lowlands who stumble back in with information, only to have all of it discarded except for some very specific subset of statistics, and if someone comes rushing in through the door going "glarble blarble" and falls over dead, they shrug, take the dead body to the incinerator, and then finally send an appointed messenger out to "listen to the people". Then they cherry pick the feedback and continue the entire process.
... and here we are today with modern masters 2017. Good set, they probably wont reprint enough, and likely we'll see another year just like this one two or three years down the road because why change what isn't broken.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
If the set sold for regular MSRP of $4 a booster pack, I'd be interested. The packs cost too much. As many good reprints as there may be in the set. If wizards had simply reprinted all of these cards in small amounts in standard sets then there wouldn't be a modern masters. Then no one would find $10 booster packs interesting. Have fun buying the $10 booster packs.
I'll probably buy a few singles and benefit from other people wasting their money. Specifically blood moon. If blood moon falls to $5 each I'll pick some up.
People that feel $5 for a Blood Moon is reasonable should probably refrain from pricing comments in general.
Personally, given the cost of playing digital card games, I'm of the opinion that Magic is incredibly unreasonably priced.
You'd be wrong. The prices are set by how much people are willing to pay. That is by definition reasonable. You just disagree with what a majority of people seem think about the prices. If anything, that's more unreasonable.
If the set sold for regular MSRP of $4 a booster pack, I'd be interested. The packs cost too much. As many good reprints as there may be in the set. If wizards had simply reprinted all of these cards in small amounts in standard sets then there wouldn't be a modern masters. Then no one would find $10 booster packs interesting. Have fun buying the $10 booster packs.
I'll probably buy a few singles and benefit from other people wasting their money. Specifically blood moon. If blood moon falls to $5 each I'll pick some up.
People that feel $5 for a Blood Moon is reasonable should probably refrain from pricing comments in general.
Personally, given the cost of playing digital card games, I'm of the opinion that Magic is incredibly unreasonably priced.
You'd be wrong. The prices are set by how much people are willing to pay. That is by definition reasonable. You just disagree with what a majority of people seem think about the prices. If anything, that's more unreasonable.
No, it just means there are enough people willing to pay those prices relative to current supply. It has nothing to do with what the majority wants. If one person is willing to pay $1000 each for the entire planet's stock of Tarmogoyfs that doesn't mean the majority of people think $1000 is a reasonable price.
It's another that the final reveal contains zero real value. I expected at least a few of: noble hierarch, chalice of the void, kitchen finks, lightning bolt. At the very least one high-value card and multiple cards that are priced too high for their rarity. We got none of that. And, boy, did infect get the boot. It got might of old krosa in the set and... that's it?
If the set sold for regular MSRP of $4 a booster pack, I'd be interested. The packs cost too much. As many good reprints as there may be in the set. If wizards had simply reprinted all of these cards in small amounts in standard sets then there wouldn't be a modern masters. Then no one would find $10 booster packs interesting. Have fun buying the $10 booster packs.
I'll probably buy a few singles and benefit from other people wasting their money. Specifically blood moon. If blood moon falls to $5 each I'll pick some up.
People that feel $5 for a Blood Moon is reasonable should probably refrain from pricing comments in general.
hahahaha
Blood moon was a cheap playable card for most of magics existence. It's normal price was $5 to $10. People who think blood moon shouldn't be $5 should probably refrain from making comments about pricing in general. Master sets at $10 per pack price points are not good for the game. If you can't see that then you probably don't see how bad the game is doing right now. You can't add an even higher premium to a luxury product. Even standard players don't want to pay $4 a pack. Anyone who plays standard pays $2.50 a pack.
What?
I pay $20 for 7 packs of anything in standard. Close enough
MM sets are basically the reinvention of core sets, sold for 2.5x the price.
You're so wrong... and by that I mean so right.
The set power density is too high for a core set, but obviously all cards within were once released in a regular set, and many reprints, like damnation, were once the archetypal reprint of core sets.
How I wish they'd cut the value reprints in half, lose the guaranteed foil and sell them as regular pack, in regular 36-packs boxes, for the regular price!
It's another that the final reveal contains zero real value. I expected at least a few of: noble hierarch, chalice of the void, kitchen finks, lightning bolt. At the very least one high-value card and multiple cards that are priced too high for their rarity. We got none of that. And, boy, did infect get the boot. It got might of old krosa in the set and... that's it?
This is how spoilers always work, they always save a big pile of uninteresting chaff for the last day.
And everyone has a wishlist of cards to include, there isn't room to put them all in if they want the set to be draftable, there needs to be stuff in there for limited. Finks, Hierarch, Chalice, and Bolt were all already in masters sets, they don't want to just make these a collection of the same cards over and over, things need to rotate.
It's another that the final reveal contains zero real value. I expected at least a few of: noble hierarch, chalice of the void, kitchen finks, lightning bolt. At the very least one high-value card and multiple cards that are priced too high for their rarity. We got none of that. And, boy, did infect get the boot. It got might of old krosa in the set and... that's it?
This is how spoilers always work, they always save a big pile of uninteresting chaff for the last day.
Allegedly, the missed the combo. I doubt this was actually the case, but you never know.
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If you want $5 Blood Moons, you should have bought too many Chronicles packs like I did back in the day. Blood Moons were $5 for the LONGEST time (from the time they were printed until about three years ago).
Never gonna get that low again. It's like asking Liliana of the Veil to be $15 again. Blood Moon will never see print in a Standard-legal set again because it makes the game VERY unfun for anyone not prepared for it.
Personally, given the cost of playing digital card games, I'm of the opinion that Magic is incredibly unreasonably priced.
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This recent notion that somehow playable cards need to cost $50+ for Magic to survive is insane. Where did these people come from? For most of Magic's history the vast majority of playable cards did not go over $20 and most were under $10. Then Wizards creates mythic rarity, shifts the power level from uncommon and common to rare and mythic, and a bunch of wannabe day traders come in to play babby's first stock market and suddenly cards NEED to cost $50 or Magic will die. And if you dare to question this then you clearly want everything printed at common and worthless because there isn't a middle ground, either Jund costs $3000 or everything is worthless.
Did you know at one point the top deck was made up almost entirely of commons and uncommons? UG Madness was dominant for a long time and it had maybe one or two rares in it. How did Magic ever survive??????? How did LGS not go under???
I was hoping for one more chase and one more value uncommon (Manamorphose or Simian Spirit Guide would've been fair and on-theme) but that's life in the big city.
We knew many days ago that there were very few artifacts in the set beyond the signets (not to mention that Izzet Signet and Orzhov Signet were consecutively-numbered colorless artifacts, allowing for no card alphabetically between them).
It seems they quite deliberately went against using any Artifacts Matter themes in this set, which IMHO is a welcome change of pace to the KLD-AER "Artifacts are the only things that matter" limited environments we've been soaking in for most of the past six months.
to be honest, I'm more than happy with the value of this set. or at least happy enough to not be upset over a few cards left out
Most importantly, Pyrewild's not taking a rare spot in the booster.
Wizards: "We're going to put in a bant color combo rare! Quick, we need a mana dork for the set for filler!"
Some guy in the back: "Print noble hierarch."
Wizards: "Hey, we got a guy named Avacyn's pilgrim. It has the word Avacyn in it! PRINT IT!"
Some guy in the back:
All of us:
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
The number of absolute snoozers at rare is pretty low. Even the "low-value" rares like Hellrider, Zealous Conscripts, the overload cards, Call of the Herd etc are old constructed staples that are properly nostalgic while also being powerful enough to slot into decks/cubes everywhere.
For me, the only total misses are Extractor Demon, Seance, Mind Shatter, Cackling Counterpart, Sever the Bloodline, Ulvenwald Tracker, Aethermage's Touch, Evil Twin, Fiery Justice, Simic Sky Swallower, Stoic Angel, and Wort. And the majority of these are amazing in limited, and considering my only interaction with this set will likely be draft (I already own most of this crap so no reason to crack packs) I can't complain.
But there still is even more treasures in this final day anyway
Cyclonic rift is a great one $7 is way to exspensive for it.
They wont be that low, but if WoTC starts actually not depending on hoarders releasing cards later to sell at high premiums and does enough reprinting to keep cards available in shop, the prices will fall eventually. They need to do this or give up on modern entirely because no one will want to put up with all the ever increasing costs of cards. A playset of commons in this format can cost someone 20 usd and rares can cost as much as a PS4 Pro (or nintendo switch after they force you to buy a pro controller and game). The entire thing is just absurd as well because they are saying it's the format where people can play with rotated out cards, yet they also made it competitive so you have to own cards from sets so old and out of print that finding the cards for a decent price can involve pawn shop delving and craigs list.
Sometimes I feel like Modern and legacy are the results of a company that has stuck itself on top of a mountain thumbing through daily tasks with zero communication to their audience, relies completely on tossing messengers into the lowlands who stumble back in with information, only to have all of it discarded except for some very specific subset of statistics, and if someone comes rushing in through the door going "glarble blarble" and falls over dead, they shrug, take the dead body to the incinerator, and then finally send an appointed messenger out to "listen to the people". Then they cherry pick the feedback and continue the entire process.
... and here we are today with modern masters 2017. Good set, they probably wont reprint enough, and likely we'll see another year just like this one two or three years down the road because why change what isn't broken.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
You'd be wrong. The prices are set by how much people are willing to pay. That is by definition reasonable. You just disagree with what a majority of people seem think about the prices. If anything, that's more unreasonable.
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No, it just means there are enough people willing to pay those prices relative to current supply. It has nothing to do with what the majority wants. If one person is willing to pay $1000 each for the entire planet's stock of Tarmogoyfs that doesn't mean the majority of people think $1000 is a reasonable price.
It's another that the final reveal contains zero real value. I expected at least a few of: noble hierarch, chalice of the void, kitchen finks, lightning bolt. At the very least one high-value card and multiple cards that are priced too high for their rarity. We got none of that. And, boy, did infect get the boot. It got might of old krosa in the set and... that's it?
I pay $20 for 7 packs of anything in standard. Close enough
You're so wrong... and by that I mean so right.
The set power density is too high for a core set, but obviously all cards within were once released in a regular set, and many reprints, like damnation, were once the archetypal reprint of core sets.
How I wish they'd cut the value reprints in half, lose the guaranteed foil and sell them as regular pack, in regular 36-packs boxes, for the regular price!
This is how spoilers always work, they always save a big pile of uninteresting chaff for the last day.
And everyone has a wishlist of cards to include, there isn't room to put them all in if they want the set to be draftable, there needs to be stuff in there for limited. Finks, Hierarch, Chalice, and Bolt were all already in masters sets, they don't want to just make these a collection of the same cards over and over, things need to rotate.
I wished for Khalni Hydra, Mycosynth Lattice, and Crucible of Worlds but I didn't get my wishes either.
And then there was Felidar Guardian.
Amen.
Fair point, almost always.
Unless wizards wasn't expecting Felidar Guardian to be any good?
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