I'm just astonished that there is still a "we should be grateful for the products released by a publicly traded corporation whose primary obligation is to the profits of their shareholders" sub group of Magic players.
Goyf yet again? This is pretty silly. The card had lost a lot of luster since 2010 when it was in every legacy deck (including merfolk and countertop sometimes even!) and been on a steady decline in both usage and price for the past few years. This is so completely unnecessary.
The original trifecta of high price cards in Modern that were perpetually whined about - Goyf, Bob and V Clique - have all seen their importance to the format fade drastically, and it feels like a throwback to another age to keep printing this card over and over again like it was an Argentinian peso.
It makes zero sense to have Tarmogoyf and Cavern of Souls at mythic and Niv-Mizzet shifted down to rare. Niv-Mizzet is exactly the sort of legendary, powerful, storyline-dependent card that the mythic rarity was originally created for.
Outside of the story aspect, there is absolutely nothing Mythic about Niv-Mizzet. I think it is time for people to understand that in this set everything is based off of either secondary market value (as it should be considering this is a supplemental set) as well as draft value. I wonder about some people here sometimes get that this set was put together with these two principles in mind yet some people are calling for no mythic rarity in this set. Hilarious.
I don't like mythic rarity in the set because it aids stores in gauging card printings in these reprint sets, which can lead to market manipulation. Setting all the cards at rare and just shifting around the print numbers behind the scenes is safer.
It has 0 to do with singles gauging and more so making sure packs hold value so buyers do not go into lottery ticket mode.
I wonder how many times they can reprint it bore it drops below $100
You can pick up a MM2015 one right now for $95. Considering there is no MM GP to eat thousands of boxes on the set, and considering WOTC saw the success of EMA, he might be printed enough to tank values below $50.
I wonder how many times they can reprint it bore it drops below $100
You can pick up a MM2015 one right now for $95. Considering there is no MM GP to eat thousands of boxes on the set, and considering WOTC saw the success of EMA, he might be printed enough to tank values below $50.
haven't checked ebay or anything but they're still like $140 Canadian on Face to Face
It makes zero sense to have Tarmogoyf and Cavern of Souls at mythic and Niv-Mizzet shifted down to rare. Niv-Mizzet is exactly the sort of legendary, powerful, storyline-dependent card that the mythic rarity was originally created for.
In a standard set, sure. Standard blocks are all about story and setting, and the characters etc.
In modern, tarmogoyf is one of the characters, part of the flavour of the format. Nobody could deny that, so it makes sense to give it a similar weight and importance. It may not agree with your wallet but it makes a lot of sense from a design perspective.
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Goyf yet again? This is pretty silly. The card had lost a lot of luster since 2010 when it was in every legacy deck (including merfolk and countertop sometimes even!) and been on a steady decline in both usage and price for the past few years. This is so completely unnecessary.
The original trifecta of high price cards in Modern that were perpetually whined about - Goyf, Bob and V Clique - have all seen their importance to the format fade drastically, and it feels like a throwback to another age to keep printing this card over and over again like it was an Argentinian peso.
What? It's one of the 5 most played cards in the format and a week ago copies cost more than an entire regular booster box. When it is not the most expensive card in the format and a playset doesn't cost more than most decks because you can't reasonably play midrange without it, then the luster and prices will drop. Until then I hope they print it in just everything and anyone can reasonably have it. This is not me just talking because this set only impacts other people, I have my Goblin Guides and Snapcasters and Craterhoofs and I am quite happy to see them here, I don't plan to sell out anytime soon, I might get more copies, and I will have more people to play with. If your collection losing value upsets you and you see your cards as an investment in money instead of fun, may I suggest Legacy Reserved List cards and not the format built on 'we can and will reprint anything'
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I wonder how many times they can reprint it bore it drops below $100
You can pick up a MM2015 one right now for $95. Considering there is no MM GP to eat thousands of boxes on the set, and considering WOTC saw the success of EMA, he might be printed enough to tank values below $50.
haven't checked ebay or anything but they're still like $140 Canadian on Face to Face
Goyf yet again? This is pretty silly. The card had lost a lot of luster since 2010 when it was in every legacy deck (including merfolk and countertop sometimes even!) and been on a steady decline in both usage and price for the past few years. This is so completely unnecessary.
The original trifecta of high price cards in Modern that were perpetually whined about - Goyf, Bob and V Clique - have all seen their importance to the format fade drastically, and it feels like a throwback to another age to keep printing this card over and over again like it was an Argentinian peso.
What? It's one of the 5 most played cards in the format and a week ago copies cost more than an entire regular booster box. When it is not the most expensive card in the format and a playset doesn't cost more than most decks because you can't reasonably play midrange without it, then the luster and prices will drop. Until then I hope they print it in just everything and anyone can reasonably have it. This is not me just talking because this set only impacts other people, I have my Goblin Guides and Snapcasters and Craterhoofs and I am quite happy to see them here, I don't plan to sell out anytime soon, I might get more copies, and I will have more people to play with. If your collection losing value upsets you and you see your cards as an investment in money instead of fun, may I suggest Legacy Reserved List cards and not the format built on 'we can and will reprint anything'
It's in Zoo and the two midrange green decks, which is at best 15% of the metagame. For the other 85% of people, there are numerous options for those wanting to get into Modern without buying Goyfs. The card isn't even remotely scarce having been printed this often, prestige and price memory was about the only thing keeping it afloat. If you take a long view of the format, Goyf is in decline, and this simply isn't necessary.
Anybody who wasn't playing Modern before was being silly or disingenuous if they claimed the price of a card they don't need for 85% of the competitive metagame is what kept them out. Those people, and I know many, will keep complaining at $50/ea and would keep complaining at $20/ea, and will never play Eternal formats unless the best deck is handed to them in a precon for $29.99 fully built.
Amd it isn't about "speculating" or "investing", though the very tiny class of speculators is a perpetual boogeyman in Magic going back to my early days in 94. It actually increases the cost of maintaining a playable CCG collection if for example some $200 playset I had to buy is going to be reprinted into oblivion Yu-Gi-Oh style so it's a sunk cost, rather than something I could get most of my money out of if I wanted to swap decks. This is why many players prefer the stability of eternal formats to the volatility of Standard where your collection is 90% sunk costs if you intend to play a full season. In an LCG model like Fantasy Flight Games it doesn't matter, you buy a chapter pack a month and everyone has everything, but that's not Magic. In Magic the most economically stable format is Legacy where 90% of your deck value is reserved list lands, that format costs me basically nothing to maintain a collection for indefinitely, whereas the philosophy shown by this needless Goyf reprint is a flashing warning sign that Modern is getting more dangerous to buy into. If you're prudent with your money that makes the format worse, not better.
I'm just astonished that there is still a "mythic rarity hurts my feelings" sub group of magic players.
This. And also still a "dropping cards below $50 a copy in a format we're trying really hard to make accessible" subgroup, too. As if we don't have enough whinging about cards on the Reserved List...
Not quite related, but something I saw - on the Mothership main page, the image for this article appears to be a Wingcrafter (probably by mistake), so that could be another card in the set.
If that's not what you're after, sites like gatherer will help you find old cards and it can be sorted/searched in a variety of different ways. It can be really handy but some old cards are easier to miss in searches due to different wording i.e. 'destroy' used to be 'bury' as an easier example. http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Default.aspx
It makes zero sense to have Tarmogoyf and Cavern of Souls at mythic and Niv-Mizzet shifted down to rare. Niv-Mizzet is exactly the sort of legendary, powerful, storyline-dependent card that the mythic rarity was originally created for.
Don't care about the story in a reprint set. Just give me value.
Goyf yet again? This is pretty silly. The card had lost a lot of luster since 2010 when it was in every legacy deck (including merfolk and countertop sometimes even!) and been on a steady decline in both usage and price for the past few years. This is so completely unnecessary.
The original trifecta of high price cards in Modern that were perpetually whined about - Goyf, Bob and V Clique - have all seen their importance to the format fade drastically, and it feels like a throwback to another age to keep printing this card over and over again like it was an Argentinian peso.
What? It's one of the 5 most played cards in the format and a week ago copies cost more than an entire regular booster box. When it is not the most expensive card in the format and a playset doesn't cost more than most decks because you can't reasonably play midrange without it, then the luster and prices will drop. Until then I hope they print it in just everything and anyone can reasonably have it. This is not me just talking because this set only impacts other people, I have my Goblin Guides and Snapcasters and Craterhoofs and I am quite happy to see them here, I don't plan to sell out anytime soon, I might get more copies, and I will have more people to play with. If your collection losing value upsets you and you see your cards as an investment in money instead of fun, may I suggest Legacy Reserved List cards and not the format built on 'we can and will reprint anything'
It's in Zoo and the two midrange green decks, which is at best 15% of the metagame. For the other 85% of people, there are numerous options for those wanting to get into Modern without buying Goyfs. The card isn't even remotely scarce having been printed this often, prestige and price memory was about the only thing keeping it afloat. If you take a long view of the format, Goyf is in decline, and this simply isn't necessary.
Anybody who wasn't playing Modern before was being silly or disingenuous if they claimed the price of a card they don't need for 85% of the competitive metagame is what kept them out. Those people, and I know many, will keep complaining at $50/ea and would keep complaining at $20/ea, and will never play Eternal formats unless the best deck is handed to them in a precon for $29.99 fully built.
Amd it isn't about "speculating" or "investing", though the very tiny class of speculators is a perpetual boogeyman in Magic going back to my early days in 94. It actually increases the cost of maintaining a playable CCG collection if for example some $200 playset I had to buy is going to be reprinted into oblivion Yu-Gi-Oh style so it's a sunk cost, rather than something I could get most of my money out of if I wanted to swap decks. This is why many players prefer the stability of eternal formats to the volatility of Standard where your collection is 90% sunk costs if you intend to play a full season. In an LCG model like Fantasy Flight Games it doesn't matter, you buy a chapter pack a month and everyone has everything, but that's not Magic. In Magic the most economically stable format is Legacy where 90% of your deck value is reserved list lands, that format costs me basically nothing to maintain a collection for indefinitely, whereas the philosophy shown by this needless Goyf reprint is a flashing warning sign that Modern is getting more dangerous to buy into. If you're prudent with your money that makes the format worse, not better.
I'm not talking about not being able to play Modern, i am talking about not being able to play midrange. I have proxied Jund and really enjoyed it, I have Burn, Tron, Goblins, Stompy, and a tempo brew. I could trade my binder and have a combo deck if I wanted, the ENTIRE deck. But midrange is not available to me, because i could trade that same binder last week (no idea where prices will land) and have either the playset of Liliana, OR the playset of Goyf, and at this point the IoK's. I was saving for my Goys when they skyrocketed out of reach,actively saving
please don't start on 'reward for long time Modern players' I have played modern since very shortly after Nacatl was banned. there is no reason that midrange should cost hundreds of dollars more than anything else in the format. I don't want things printed into oblivion, as new players join the prices should rise until reprints or a change in the meta, there should be chase cards, Goyf being one of them is fine, but the game was originally meant to have no card over $20, let's adjust for the times, I feel that Modern should have no card that HOLDS over $50. that's not unreasonable, long time players would still make a healthy profit selling out of Goyf at $50 a pop.
I do want cards in the format to have real value, but there are a lot of college students playing this game, myself included. Jund last week was more than my tuition some semesters.
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Goyf yet again? This is pretty silly. The card had lost a lot of luster since 2010 when it was in every legacy deck (including merfolk and countertop sometimes even!) and been on a steady decline in both usage and price for the past few years. This is so completely unnecessary.
The original trifecta of high price cards in Modern that were perpetually whined about - Goyf, Bob and V Clique - have all seen their importance to the format fade drastically, and it feels like a throwback to another age to keep printing this card over and over again like it was an Argentinian peso.
What? It's one of the 5 most played cards in the format and a week ago copies cost more than an entire regular booster box. When it is not the most expensive card in the format and a playset doesn't cost more than most decks because you can't reasonably play midrange without it, then the luster and prices will drop. Until then I hope they print it in just everything and anyone can reasonably have it. This is not me just talking because this set only impacts other people, I have my Goblin Guides and Snapcasters and Craterhoofs and I am quite happy to see them here, I don't plan to sell out anytime soon, I might get more copies, and I will have more people to play with. If your collection losing value upsets you and you see your cards as an investment in money instead of fun, may I suggest Legacy Reserved List cards and not the format built on 'we can and will reprint anything'
It's in Zoo and the two midrange green decks, which is at best 15% of the metagame. For the other 85% of people, there are numerous options for those wanting to get into Modern without buying Goyfs. The card isn't even remotely scarce having been printed this often, prestige and price memory was about the only thing keeping it afloat. If you take a long view of the format, Goyf is in decline, and this simply isn't necessary.
Anybody who wasn't playing Modern before was being silly or disingenuous if they claimed the price of a card they don't need for 85% of the competitive metagame is what kept them out. Those people, and I know many, will keep complaining at $50/ea and would keep complaining at $20/ea, and will never play Eternal formats unless the best deck is handed to them in a precon for $29.99 fully built.
Amd it isn't about "speculating" or "investing", though the very tiny class of speculators is a perpetual boogeyman in Magic going back to my early days in 94. It actually increases the cost of maintaining a playable CCG collection if for example some $200 playset I had to buy is going to be reprinted into oblivion Yu-Gi-Oh style so it's a sunk cost, rather than something I could get most of my money out of if I wanted to swap decks. This is why many players prefer the stability of eternal formats to the volatility of Standard where your collection is 90% sunk costs if you intend to play a full season. In an LCG model like Fantasy Flight Games it doesn't matter, you buy a chapter pack a month and everyone has everything, but that's not Magic. In Magic the most economically stable format is Legacy where 90% of your deck value is reserved list lands, that format costs me basically nothing to maintain a collection for indefinitely, whereas the philosophy shown by this needless Goyf reprint is a flashing warning sign that Modern is getting more dangerous to buy into. If you're prudent with your money that makes the format worse, not better.
Its used in Zoo, Jund, Junk, and Eternal Command, which are 24% of the meta combined. It sees play in 1 in 4 decks. And it is currently more expensive than any booster box in standard. This despite three total printings.
You also forget that Jund and Junk are two decks most immune to bans. Karn, Ugin, Tron Lands, Mox Opal. Any of those could eat a ban. Goyf never will. So if you want to invest in a deck with a low probability of bannings, your choice is Goyf.
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You don't call "dying to removal" if the removal is more expensive in resources than the creature. If you have to spend BG (Abrupt Decay), or W + basic land (PtE) to remove a 1G, that is not "dying to removal". Strictly speaking Goyf dies to removal, but actually your removal is dying to Goyf.
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The original trifecta of high price cards in Modern that were perpetually whined about - Goyf, Bob and V Clique - have all seen their importance to the format fade drastically, and it feels like a throwback to another age to keep printing this card over and over again like it was an Argentinian peso.
It has 0 to do with singles gauging and more so making sure packs hold value so buyers do not go into lottery ticket mode.
You can pick up a MM2015 one right now for $95. Considering there is no MM GP to eat thousands of boxes on the set, and considering WOTC saw the success of EMA, he might be printed enough to tank values below $50.
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haven't checked ebay or anything but they're still like $140 Canadian on Face to Face
In a standard set, sure. Standard blocks are all about story and setting, and the characters etc.
In modern, tarmogoyf is one of the characters, part of the flavour of the format. Nobody could deny that, so it makes sense to give it a similar weight and importance. It may not agree with your wallet but it makes a lot of sense from a design perspective.
What? It's one of the 5 most played cards in the format and a week ago copies cost more than an entire regular booster box. When it is not the most expensive card in the format and a playset doesn't cost more than most decks because you can't reasonably play midrange without it, then the luster and prices will drop. Until then I hope they print it in just everything and anyone can reasonably have it. This is not me just talking because this set only impacts other people, I have my Goblin Guides and Snapcasters and Craterhoofs and I am quite happy to see them here, I don't plan to sell out anytime soon, I might get more copies, and I will have more people to play with. If your collection losing value upsets you and you see your cards as an investment in money instead of fun, may I suggest Legacy Reserved List cards and not the format built on 'we can and will reprint anything'
I know CAD is going to be higher due to exchange rate but in USD http://shop.tcgplayer.com/magic/modern-masters-2015/tarmogoyf?partner=CTNBLDR the $95 includes shipping
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It's in Zoo and the two midrange green decks, which is at best 15% of the metagame. For the other 85% of people, there are numerous options for those wanting to get into Modern without buying Goyfs. The card isn't even remotely scarce having been printed this often, prestige and price memory was about the only thing keeping it afloat. If you take a long view of the format, Goyf is in decline, and this simply isn't necessary.
Anybody who wasn't playing Modern before was being silly or disingenuous if they claimed the price of a card they don't need for 85% of the competitive metagame is what kept them out. Those people, and I know many, will keep complaining at $50/ea and would keep complaining at $20/ea, and will never play Eternal formats unless the best deck is handed to them in a precon for $29.99 fully built.
Amd it isn't about "speculating" or "investing", though the very tiny class of speculators is a perpetual boogeyman in Magic going back to my early days in 94. It actually increases the cost of maintaining a playable CCG collection if for example some $200 playset I had to buy is going to be reprinted into oblivion Yu-Gi-Oh style so it's a sunk cost, rather than something I could get most of my money out of if I wanted to swap decks. This is why many players prefer the stability of eternal formats to the volatility of Standard where your collection is 90% sunk costs if you intend to play a full season. In an LCG model like Fantasy Flight Games it doesn't matter, you buy a chapter pack a month and everyone has everything, but that's not Magic. In Magic the most economically stable format is Legacy where 90% of your deck value is reserved list lands, that format costs me basically nothing to maintain a collection for indefinitely, whereas the philosophy shown by this needless Goyf reprint is a flashing warning sign that Modern is getting more dangerous to buy into. If you're prudent with your money that makes the format worse, not better.
This. And also still a "dropping cards below $50 a copy in a format we're trying really hard to make accessible" subgroup, too. As if we don't have enough whinging about cards on the Reserved List...
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If that's not what you're after, sites like gatherer will help you find old cards and it can be sorted/searched in a variety of different ways. It can be really handy but some old cards are easier to miss in searches due to different wording i.e. 'destroy' used to be 'bury' as an easier example. http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Default.aspx
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I'm not talking about not being able to play Modern, i am talking about not being able to play midrange. I have proxied Jund and really enjoyed it, I have Burn, Tron, Goblins, Stompy, and a tempo brew. I could trade my binder and have a combo deck if I wanted, the ENTIRE deck. But midrange is not available to me, because i could trade that same binder last week (no idea where prices will land) and have either the playset of Liliana, OR the playset of Goyf, and at this point the IoK's. I was saving for my Goys when they skyrocketed out of reach,actively saving
please don't start on 'reward for long time Modern players' I have played modern since very shortly after Nacatl was banned. there is no reason that midrange should cost hundreds of dollars more than anything else in the format. I don't want things printed into oblivion, as new players join the prices should rise until reprints or a change in the meta, there should be chase cards, Goyf being one of them is fine, but the game was originally meant to have no card over $20, let's adjust for the times, I feel that Modern should have no card that HOLDS over $50. that's not unreasonable, long time players would still make a healthy profit selling out of Goyf at $50 a pop.
I do want cards in the format to have real value, but there are a lot of college students playing this game, myself included. Jund last week was more than my tuition some semesters.
Its used in Zoo, Jund, Junk, and Eternal Command, which are 24% of the meta combined. It sees play in 1 in 4 decks. And it is currently more expensive than any booster box in standard. This despite three total printings.
You also forget that Jund and Junk are two decks most immune to bans. Karn, Ugin, Tron Lands, Mox Opal. Any of those could eat a ban. Goyf never will. So if you want to invest in a deck with a low probability of bannings, your choice is Goyf.
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