I don't understand the mythic rarity complaints given there are so few mythics that I would prefer to this and it would not be rare anyway with its current price tag and limited playability (an unplayable auto-first pick for $ is not really healthy for limited imo).
Set needed a few more chase mythics, that's one.
There's really no reason to bump this to mythic to meet a quota for chase mythics when there are plenty of other cards that would have fit that bill and wouldn't need a rarity bump, and even a card or two that no one would have minded getting an upgrade.
You and everyone in here are such hypocites. You act as if Wizards should just seeve your will and print Black Lotus at common and make if worth a dollar. There is a reason why this and Snappy were upgraded. It is to preserve value of the set so this doesn't ruin LGS's margins. MM2015 was a disaster and Wizards is learning from their mistakes. There is so much value in this set at Rare. I cannot for the life of me understand why everyone feels the need to complain about every little thing. Get over yourselves. In the meantime buy the damn product or not. If you don't I will.
Oh look yet another drooling fanboy who doesn't understand or care to understand the arguments that anyone puts forward, makes some hyperbolic strawman argument about "Black Lotus/Power 9 at common" and doesn't know what "hypocrisy" means.
I like the art way better than the original, which I always found goofy.
Mythic is ridiculous, though.
I half expected it for Snappy,
but it's way more obviously greedy here, IMO.
And this is coming from someone who already has four of the old Caverns,
including a foil which has lived happily in my Slivers EDH deck for years now.
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
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Sen Triplets
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I don't understand the mythic rarity complaints given there are so few mythics that I would prefer to this and it would not be rare anyway with its current price tag and limited playability (an unplayable auto-first pick for $ is not really healthy for limited imo).
Set needed a few more chase mythics, that's one.
There's really no reason to bump this to mythic to meet a quota for chase mythics when there are plenty of other cards that would have fit that bill and wouldn't need a rarity bump, and even a card or two that no one would have minded getting an upgrade.
You and everyone in here are such hypocites. You act as if Wizards should just seeve your will and print Black Lotus at common and make if worth a dollar. There is a reason why this and Snappy were upgraded. It is to preserve value of the set so this doesn't ruin LGS's margins. MM2015 was a disaster and Wizards is learning from their mistakes. There is so much value in this set at Rare. I cannot for the life of me understand why everyone feels the need to complain about every little thing. Get over yourselves. In the meantime buy the damn product or not. If you don't I will.
Oh look yet another drooling fanboy who doesn't understand or care to understand the arguments that anyone puts forward, makes some hyperbolic strawman argument about "Black Lotus/Power 9 at common" and doesn't know what "hypocrisy" means.
Just going to throw this out there, but I wouldn't mind Black lotus and and the Power 9 at common for a dollar...
So... can anyone tell me the rarity shift for this? Did this card really destroyed limtied in the past to justifie a rarity bump?
I would rather it be mythic then rare for limited anyway because then you have less chance of pulling a bad rare. However depending on how many splicers they print it might not have been terrible.
Hey, remember that time when WOTC spoiled this thing and said it was for kitchen table players? That it was there for the Timmies who wanted to resolve big guys without worrying about counterspells?
Yeah. Good times.
Cavern of Souls was designed as a foil to permission-based decks that were dominating Standard (Delver + Snapcaster), this was specifically mentioned in a WotC article back then. I think by Zac Hill.
"Alright. So this card fixes the mana in your creature decks and ensures that basically anything you cast can resolve if you want it to. We expect it to define almost every format in which it can be played. But this card is part of a bigger picture, as I'm sure you can tell. Specifically, there's one big question I'm sure is on your mind: Why does it have that last ability?
Well, I'm glad you asked!
I'll be real with you. We messed up with Snapcaster Mage."
very interesting, I wasn't aware of this article, thanks a lot for digging it up! So according to wotc, their answer to a broken creature was a broken land? I just hope that's not a thought process still used by design nowadays... well, needless to say, I hate to see a land with such a high demand as caverns become a mythic. Frankly, if it were legendary I'd be somewhat fine with that upshift actually, but it isn't and just like mythic-snapcater or our little lhurgoyf, it puts such an unncesseray stranglehold on a highly sought-after card that would be perfectly fine as a rare. Don't get me wrong, I'm like, 0% surprised to see caverns as a mythic, I reiterated more than once that I believe snap would be a mythic.
Apart from that though, this set is looking absolutely unreal, there are so many great cards in here making it hard to complain about mythic bumps really. I still think they put way too much of a focus on innistrad in this mm, but that might just be me. Overdue reprints as of this post are still ensnaring bridge (could've sworn this was in as a mythic), through the breach, bloodghast, crucible of worlds and goryo's vengeance. Noble hierarch could really need another printing as well, mana dorks should NOT have such a price-tag.
tldr: awesome set, would problably buy a truckload of it, if it weren't for the usual 250+ euros cost shops in my country want for this.
I'm SO SICK of the "too strong for Standard" argument. It's the new "Dies to removal". We can have a two mana 4/4 with a zillion abilities, but we can't just have Accumulated Knowledge. Makes sense.
I don't understand the mythic rarity complaints given there are so few mythics that I would prefer to this and it would not be rare anyway with its current price tag and limited playability (an unplayable auto-first pick for $ is not really healthy for limited imo).
Set needed a few more chase mythics, that's one.
There's really no reason to bump this to mythic to meet a quota for chase mythics when there are plenty of other cards that would have fit that bill and wouldn't need a rarity bump, and even a card or two that no one would have minded getting an upgrade.
You and everyone in here are such hypocites. You act as if Wizards should just seeve your will and print Black Lotus at common and make if worth a dollar. There is a reason why this and Snappy were upgraded. It is to preserve value of the set so this doesn't ruin LGS's margins. MM2015 was a disaster and Wizards is learning from their mistakes. There is so much value in this set at Rare. I cannot for the life of me understand why everyone feels the need to complain about every little thing. Get over yourselves. In the meantime buy the damn product or not. If you don't I will.
Oh look yet another drooling fanboy who doesn't understand or care to understand the arguments that anyone puts forward, makes some hyperbolic strawman argument about "Black Lotus/Power 9 at common" and doesn't know what "hypocrisy" means.
Oh look another idiot whiner that the game costs too much money and this is a money grab. Wizards has 0 obligation to reprint these cards. It does not even support the format. BE happy that they are making the cards available to a growing base. I am tired of people complaining about cards as if a Corporation whose main focus is to make money doesn't give Joe Schmo everything he wants while they lose money. WOTC needs LGS's otherwise they don't make a profit. God forbid they throw them a bone.
So... can anyone tell me the rarity shift for this? Did this card really destroyed limtied in the past to justifie a rarity bump?
Maybe I'm misremembering, but you seem to be upset at a lot of the rarity of the money mythics. It's all economics. Everyone knows it's all economics. Time to get over it.
They can only put so much monetary value in a pack. Both to avoid hoarding, and because they want to leave value on the table for later printings. Also to not piss off collectors. They are a company that wants to make money. Giving us all the cards we wanted at uncommon or even rare would not make them money. End of story.
I'm SO SICK of the "too strong for Standard" argument. It's the new "Dies to removal". We can have a two mana 4/4 with a zillion abilities, but we can't just have Accumulated Knowledge. Makes sense.
It is like people want to play this game for free. The evil corporation needs to reprint everything so much that I can buy a playest of everything I want for a dollar. If you can't afford this game, move onto something else. There are plenty of cheap CCG games out there with this philosophy. Don't be upset when they fold in a year.
Yet the math has been done time and again. Without the mythic rarity, EVERY card becomes mythic. You have as much a chance of opening any rare from an older set as you do any mythic in current sets. The mythic rarity has done nothing but to help reduce the cost of standard for years now.
Yet the math has been done time and again. Without the mythic rarity, EVERY card becomes mythic. You have as much a chance of opening any rare from an older set as you do any mythic in current sets. The mythic rarity has done nothing but to help reduce the cost of standard for years now.
Correct
Also by one factor nobody ever realizes
There's more of them out there the only jump on price is the older art of it more liked .
I don't understand the mythic rarity complaints given there are so few mythics that I would prefer to this and it would not be rare anyway with its current price tag and limited playability (an unplayable auto-first pick for $ is not really healthy for limited imo).
Set needed a few more chase mythics, that's one.
There's really no reason to bump this to mythic to meet a quota for chase mythics when there are plenty of other cards that would have fit that bill and wouldn't need a rarity bump, and even a card or two that no one would have minded getting an upgrade.
You and everyone in here are such hypocites. You act as if Wizards should just seeve your will and print Black Lotus at common and make if worth a dollar. There is a reason why this and Snappy were upgraded. It is to preserve value of the set so this doesn't ruin LGS's margins. MM2015 was a disaster and Wizards is learning from their mistakes. There is so much value in this set at Rare. I cannot for the life of me understand why everyone feels the need to complain about every little thing. Get over yourselves. In the meantime buy the damn product or not. If you don't I will.
First, I don't think you quite know what hypocrite means because nothing said so far has been that.
Second, that strawman argument of Black Lotus and power 9 is so old and tired that it's collecting social security.
Third, complaining is exactly what people do at all times, hell you're complaining about others "complaining". In fact mine were not really a complaint but honest criticism about someones argument, having a CONVERSATION in which we have differing opinions, but I guess we can't have them anymore with folks like you thinking that all people do is complain (although that's what people do in general so that's no surprise).
Fourth, if Wizards needs to "preserve value of the set so this doesn't ruin LGS's margins" then why make this set this good (I say begrudgingly at the moment)? This set is destroying value left and right on plenty of cards, so why then is Cavern being mythic necessary to help the LGS's of the world? If they didn't want LGS's to lose money they wouldn't have made the Masters sets a regular thing, or in the case of EMA put out more boxes for no reason and destroy prices even further.
Your arguments are about as structurally sound as a house of cards.
I don't understand the mythic rarity complaints given there are so few mythics that I would prefer to this and it would not be rare anyway with its current price tag and limited playability (an unplayable auto-first pick for $ is not really healthy for limited imo).
Set needed a few more chase mythics, that's one.
There's really no reason to bump this to mythic to meet a quota for chase mythics when there are plenty of other cards that would have fit that bill and wouldn't need a rarity bump, and even a card or two that no one would have minded getting an upgrade.
You and everyone in here are such hypocites. You act as if Wizards should just seeve your will and print Black Lotus at common and make if worth a dollar. There is a reason why this and Snappy were upgraded. It is to preserve value of the set so this doesn't ruin LGS's margins. MM2015 was a disaster and Wizards is learning from their mistakes. There is so much value in this set at Rare. I cannot for the life of me understand why everyone feels the need to complain about every little thing. Get over yourselves. In the meantime buy the damn product or not. If you don't I will.
First, I don't think you quite know what hypocrite means because nothing said so far has been that.
Second, that strawman argument of Black Lotus and power 9 is so old and tired that it's collecting social security.
Third, complaining is exactly what people do at all times, hell you're complaining about others "complaining". In fact mine were not really a complaint but honest criticism about someones argument, having a CONVERSATION in which we have differing opinions, but I guess we can't have them anymore with folks like you thinking that all people do is complain (although that's what people do in general so that's no surprise).
Fourth, if Wizards needs to "preserve value of the set so this doesn't ruin LGS's margins" then why make this set this good (I say begrudgingly at the moment)? This set is destroying value left and right on plenty of cards, so why then is Cavern being mythic necessary to help the LGS's of the world? If they didn't want LGS's to lose money they wouldn't have made the Masters sets a regular thing, or in the case of EMA put out more boxes for no reason and destroy prices even further.
Your arguments are about as structurally sound as a house of cards.
a) the people complaining about that price are still going to buy the product if they want it. So yes all their complaining about value means nothing when they buy back in.
b) If the argument is as old as SS, then why are people still complaining about value in the game? It is 20 years old and the parent company makes business decisions to make profit just as it did 20 years ago. Its sole purpose is to make Hasbro money. That will never change. What needs to change is that Wizards/Hasbro does not care if you cannot afford a card because someone will. While they do not care on the secondary market, they have ingrained ties to LGS's who do.
c) Complaining for the sake of complaining never solves the problem. Anyone with any marketing sense could have told you that there were going to be shifts in rarity and that it made sense to shift some cards from Rare to Mythic in order to one preserve long term value of the pack and two make the limited environment more stable. There is plenty of value at Rare. Enough to justify paying $10/pack easily. 2 shifts from rare to mythic and now it is time to cry wolf? Come now.
d) Wizards does need to preserve margins for the LGS's and will by selling this as well as all other sealed product inside them. Wizards needs LGS's or their distribution chain is destroyed and likely so is this game. I can imagine that LCG's will make a significant profit off this product as well as subsequent singles being traded in. This set helps bring more singles readily available to buying clientele in a real time environment. This set is nothing but a boon to a local LGS. Even if the parent company does not support Modern, your LGS does and needs more supply of staples. It is not my fault that you do not understand simple economics.
a) the people complaining about that price are still going to buy the product if they want it. So yes all their complaining about value means nothing when they buy back in.
Or their valid criticisms and you're the only one complaining.
b) If the argument is as old as SS, then why are people still complaining about value in the game? It is 20 years old and the parent company makes business decisions to make profit just as it did 20 years ago. Its sole purpose is to make Hasbro money. That will never change. What needs to change is that Wizards/Hasbro does not care if you cannot afford a card because someone will. While they do not care on the secondary market, they have ingrained ties to LGS's who do.
I'm talking about the strawman argument, nowhere did anyone talk about Black Lotus, you did. You're the one that flew off the handle and jumped to some weird conclusion that because some don't like Cavern of Souls being mythic that they must want Power 9 at common. It's a terrible strawman only used by those complaining that others have criticisms.
c) Complaining for the sake of complaining never solves the problem. Anyone with any marketing sense could have told you that there were going to be shifts in rarity and that it made sense to shift some cards from Rare to Mythic in order to one preserve long term value of the pack and two make the limited environment more stable. There is plenty of value at Rare. Enough to justify paying $10/pack easily. 2 shifts from rare to mythic and now it is time to cry wolf? Come now.
Or they just don't like a card being mythic when it clearly doesn't deserve to be when there are plenty of others that they wouldn't complain about, like Swords that are instantly mythic, or even Crucible of Worlds which no one would argue with a rarity bump. It's not about cards being increased in rarity, but that they need to make sense. Snapcaster Mage shouldn't be, but at least it could be argued why it can be mythic, Cavern of Souls on the other hand has no such arguments.
d) Wizards does need to preserve margins for the LGS's and will by selling this as well as all other sealed product inside them. Wizards needs LGS's or their distribution chain is destroyed and likely so is this game. I can imagine that LCG's will make a significant profit off this product as well as subsequent singles being traded in. This set helps bring more singles readily available to buying clientele in a real time environment. This set is nothing but a boon to a local LGS. Even if the parent company does not support Modern, your LGS does and needs more supply of staples. It is not my fault that you do not understand simple economics.
But you didn't explain why this specific cards has to be mythic compared to others more deserving. The set is self is perfectly fine, but you argued why it was so important to not hurt LGS's even though that this set would do so for so many cards anyways. Why protect them with one card and not the other 270 others? You singled out Cavern specifically in this case and did not explain why THIS CARD needs to be protected for LGS's to make money but not something like Blood Moon, Lily V, Snapcaster, Tarmogoyf, or the enemy fetches.
If they need to protect LGSs so much then why did they put out another batch of EMA? Didn't that hurt LGSs who kept plenty of boxes/cases? The argument isn't about economics but you singling out one specific card and saying they can't hurt stores and yet not too long ago they did just that with EMA.
Not every LGS sells singles remember, especially here in Europe.
They have, of course, made many decisions that unintentionally hurt LGSs. Most of what they do that is negative is largely unforeseen. Very few examples exist of them deliberately making choices that they know will hurt groups of players, collectors or organizations, but plenty of examples exist where they have unintentionally screwed up.
EMA was indeed a disaster for everyone because, simply put, the set failed in everything it tried to do, bar maybe draft. Conspiracy I was a bigger disaster because it was worth nothing and LGSs had buckets full of it unsold.
This set has at least ensured lands at rare, correctly, and has some super valuable mythics alongside the inevitable chaff, also correctly. I personally don't want to enter a lottery, I want a nice spread of values over each commonality, but many people do want a lottery. It remains to be seen how much value they put in at uncommon, but it is not looking bad. But Cavern at mythic is certainly odd to me, a card like Blood Moon might have easily made mythic- it is red, which has a short number of high quality candidates, and it screws with mana, which as we all know they have been keen to get away from. Cavern feels very un-mythic in comparison- it is essentially a tribal effect, which is often spread over all the commonalities, unlike Planeswalkers and nigh on unique effects like Blood Moon. Uncounterability is not always a mythic ability either- Supreme Verdict, Abrupt Decay and pseudo uncounterability in Split Second cards have always been rare.
Snappy at mythic also feels slightly odd because it was from a set that had mythics in the first place, and in a format that has been so often about hyper aggro, combos and BG-x the card has not actually seen that much play.
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very interesting, I wasn't aware of this article, thanks a lot for digging it up! So according to wotc, their answer to a broken creature was a broken land? I just hope that's not a thought process still used by design nowadays... well, needless to say, I hate to see a land with such a high demand as caverns become a mythic. Frankly, if it were legendary I'd be somewhat fine with that upshift actually, but it isn't and just like mythic-snapcater or our little lhurgoyf, it puts such an unncesseray stranglehold on a highly sought-after card that would be perfectly fine as a rare. Don't get me wrong, I'm like, 0% surprised to see caverns as a mythic, I reiterated more than once that I believe snap would be a mythic.
Apart from that though, this set is looking absolutely unreal, there are so many great cards in here making it hard to complain about mythic bumps really. I still think they put way too much of a focus on innistrad in this mm, but that might just be me. Overdue reprints as of this post are still ensnaring bridge (could've sworn this was in as a mythic), through the breach, bloodghast, crucible of worlds and goryo's vengeance. Noble hierarch could really need another printing as well, mana dorks should NOT have such a price-tag.
tldr: awesome set, would problably buy a truckload of it, if it weren't for the usual 250+ euros cost shops in my country want for this.
Thragtusk itself was a response to Delver-Vapor Snag-Snapcaster, so yeah, they used to do it. And I think they still do every time they decide not to ban something, so they print some foil to the dominant strategy. Expect something similar to happen in current Standard, to answer the overpowered vehicles (Kiran), creatures (Ballista and Cobra) and the combo (CopyCat), if nothing else gets banned.
Apart from that though, this set is looking absolutely unreal, there are so many great cards in here making it hard to complain about mythic bumps really. I still think they put way too much of a focus on innistrad in this mm, but that might just be me. Overdue reprints as of this post are still ensnaring bridge (could've sworn this was in as a mythic), through the breach, bloodghast, crucible of worlds and goryo's vengeance. Noble hierarch could really need another printing as well, mana dorks should NOT have such a price-tag.
Yeah but you could say the same thing about lands and price tags to be fair.
Apart from that though, this set is looking absolutely unreal, there are so many great cards in here making it hard to complain about mythic bumps really. I still think they put way too much of a focus on innistrad in this mm, but that might just be me. Overdue reprints as of this post are still ensnaring bridge (could've sworn this was in as a mythic), through the breach, bloodghast, crucible of worlds and goryo's vengeance. Noble hierarch could really need another printing as well, mana dorks should NOT have such a price-tag.
Yeah but you could say the same thing about lands and price tags to be fair.
true, but I thought I'd leave that comparison out this time, seeing as they gave us enemy fetches after ten thousand years of waiting.
I'm SO SICK of the "too strong for Standard" argument. It's the new "Dies to removal". We can have a two mana 4/4 with a zillion abilities, but we can't just have Accumulated Knowledge. Makes sense.
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Oh look yet another drooling fanboy who doesn't understand or care to understand the arguments that anyone puts forward, makes some hyperbolic strawman argument about "Black Lotus/Power 9 at common" and doesn't know what "hypocrisy" means.
Mythic is ridiculous, though.
I half expected it for Snappy,
but it's way more obviously greedy here, IMO.
And this is coming from someone who already has four of the old Caverns,
including a foil which has lived happily in my Slivers EDH deck for years now.
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Just going to throw this out there, but I wouldn't mind Black lotus and and the Power 9 at common for a dollar...
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I would rather it be mythic then rare for limited anyway because then you have less chance of pulling a bad rare. However depending on how many splicers they print it might not have been terrible.
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very interesting, I wasn't aware of this article, thanks a lot for digging it up! So according to wotc, their answer to a broken creature was a broken land? I just hope that's not a thought process still used by design nowadays... well, needless to say, I hate to see a land with such a high demand as caverns become a mythic. Frankly, if it were legendary I'd be somewhat fine with that upshift actually, but it isn't and just like mythic-snapcater or our little lhurgoyf, it puts such an unncesseray stranglehold on a highly sought-after card that would be perfectly fine as a rare. Don't get me wrong, I'm like, 0% surprised to see caverns as a mythic, I reiterated more than once that I believe snap would be a mythic.
Apart from that though, this set is looking absolutely unreal, there are so many great cards in here making it hard to complain about mythic bumps really. I still think they put way too much of a focus on innistrad in this mm, but that might just be me. Overdue reprints as of this post are still ensnaring bridge (could've sworn this was in as a mythic), through the breach, bloodghast, crucible of worlds and goryo's vengeance. Noble hierarch could really need another printing as well, mana dorks should NOT have such a price-tag.
tldr: awesome set, would problably buy a truckload of it, if it weren't for the usual 250+ euros cost shops in my country want for this.
Oh look another idiot whiner that the game costs too much money and this is a money grab. Wizards has 0 obligation to reprint these cards. It does not even support the format. BE happy that they are making the cards available to a growing base. I am tired of people complaining about cards as if a Corporation whose main focus is to make money doesn't give Joe Schmo everything he wants while they lose money. WOTC needs LGS's otherwise they don't make a profit. God forbid they throw them a bone.
Maybe I'm misremembering, but you seem to be upset at a lot of the rarity of the money mythics. It's all economics. Everyone knows it's all economics. Time to get over it.
They can only put so much monetary value in a pack. Both to avoid hoarding, and because they want to leave value on the table for later printings. Also to not piss off collectors. They are a company that wants to make money. Giving us all the cards we wanted at uncommon or even rare would not make them money. End of story.
don't forget the reserved list! Nothing beats that warm, comforting feeling of buying a card that's safe from all those evil reprints nowadays.
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Correct
Also by one factor nobody ever realizes
There's more of them out there the only jump on price is the older art of it more liked .
First, I don't think you quite know what hypocrite means because nothing said so far has been that.
Second, that strawman argument of Black Lotus and power 9 is so old and tired that it's collecting social security.
Third, complaining is exactly what people do at all times, hell you're complaining about others "complaining". In fact mine were not really a complaint but honest criticism about someones argument, having a CONVERSATION in which we have differing opinions, but I guess we can't have them anymore with folks like you thinking that all people do is complain (although that's what people do in general so that's no surprise).
Fourth, if Wizards needs to "preserve value of the set so this doesn't ruin LGS's margins" then why make this set this good (I say begrudgingly at the moment)? This set is destroying value left and right on plenty of cards, so why then is Cavern being mythic necessary to help the LGS's of the world? If they didn't want LGS's to lose money they wouldn't have made the Masters sets a regular thing, or in the case of EMA put out more boxes for no reason and destroy prices even further.
Your arguments are about as structurally sound as a house of cards.
a) the people complaining about that price are still going to buy the product if they want it. So yes all their complaining about value means nothing when they buy back in.
b) If the argument is as old as SS, then why are people still complaining about value in the game? It is 20 years old and the parent company makes business decisions to make profit just as it did 20 years ago. Its sole purpose is to make Hasbro money. That will never change. What needs to change is that Wizards/Hasbro does not care if you cannot afford a card because someone will. While they do not care on the secondary market, they have ingrained ties to LGS's who do.
c) Complaining for the sake of complaining never solves the problem. Anyone with any marketing sense could have told you that there were going to be shifts in rarity and that it made sense to shift some cards from Rare to Mythic in order to one preserve long term value of the pack and two make the limited environment more stable. There is plenty of value at Rare. Enough to justify paying $10/pack easily. 2 shifts from rare to mythic and now it is time to cry wolf? Come now.
d) Wizards does need to preserve margins for the LGS's and will by selling this as well as all other sealed product inside them. Wizards needs LGS's or their distribution chain is destroyed and likely so is this game. I can imagine that LCG's will make a significant profit off this product as well as subsequent singles being traded in. This set helps bring more singles readily available to buying clientele in a real time environment. This set is nothing but a boon to a local LGS. Even if the parent company does not support Modern, your LGS does and needs more supply of staples. It is not my fault that you do not understand simple economics.
Or their valid criticisms and you're the only one complaining.
I'm talking about the strawman argument, nowhere did anyone talk about Black Lotus, you did. You're the one that flew off the handle and jumped to some weird conclusion that because some don't like Cavern of Souls being mythic that they must want Power 9 at common. It's a terrible strawman only used by those complaining that others have criticisms.
Or they just don't like a card being mythic when it clearly doesn't deserve to be when there are plenty of others that they wouldn't complain about, like Swords that are instantly mythic, or even Crucible of Worlds which no one would argue with a rarity bump. It's not about cards being increased in rarity, but that they need to make sense. Snapcaster Mage shouldn't be, but at least it could be argued why it can be mythic, Cavern of Souls on the other hand has no such arguments.
But you didn't explain why this specific cards has to be mythic compared to others more deserving. The set is self is perfectly fine, but you argued why it was so important to not hurt LGS's even though that this set would do so for so many cards anyways. Why protect them with one card and not the other 270 others? You singled out Cavern specifically in this case and did not explain why THIS CARD needs to be protected for LGS's to make money but not something like Blood Moon, Lily V, Snapcaster, Tarmogoyf, or the enemy fetches.
If they need to protect LGSs so much then why did they put out another batch of EMA? Didn't that hurt LGSs who kept plenty of boxes/cases? The argument isn't about economics but you singling out one specific card and saying they can't hurt stores and yet not too long ago they did just that with EMA.
You say they can't but they have, so which is it?
They have, of course, made many decisions that unintentionally hurt LGSs. Most of what they do that is negative is largely unforeseen. Very few examples exist of them deliberately making choices that they know will hurt groups of players, collectors or organizations, but plenty of examples exist where they have unintentionally screwed up.
EMA was indeed a disaster for everyone because, simply put, the set failed in everything it tried to do, bar maybe draft. Conspiracy I was a bigger disaster because it was worth nothing and LGSs had buckets full of it unsold.
This set has at least ensured lands at rare, correctly, and has some super valuable mythics alongside the inevitable chaff, also correctly. I personally don't want to enter a lottery, I want a nice spread of values over each commonality, but many people do want a lottery. It remains to be seen how much value they put in at uncommon, but it is not looking bad. But Cavern at mythic is certainly odd to me, a card like Blood Moon might have easily made mythic- it is red, which has a short number of high quality candidates, and it screws with mana, which as we all know they have been keen to get away from. Cavern feels very un-mythic in comparison- it is essentially a tribal effect, which is often spread over all the commonalities, unlike Planeswalkers and nigh on unique effects like Blood Moon. Uncounterability is not always a mythic ability either- Supreme Verdict, Abrupt Decay and pseudo uncounterability in Split Second cards have always been rare.
Snappy at mythic also feels slightly odd because it was from a set that had mythics in the first place, and in a format that has been so often about hyper aggro, combos and BG-x the card has not actually seen that much play.
Thragtusk itself was a response to Delver-Vapor Snag-Snapcaster, so yeah, they used to do it. And I think they still do every time they decide not to ban something, so they print some foil to the dominant strategy. Expect something similar to happen in current Standard, to answer the overpowered vehicles (Kiran), creatures (Ballista and Cobra) and the combo (CopyCat), if nothing else gets banned.
(W/U)(B/R)GForm of Progenitus, Shape of a Scrubland
BRGJund Tokens with Prossh, the Magic Dragon Foil
URGAnimar, the RUG CleanerFoil
RRRFeldon of the Third Path 2.0 Foil
BG(B/G)Not Another Meren DeckFoil
UR(U/R)Mizzix, Y Control and X Burn Spells
(W/U)(B/R)GHarold Ramos - The 35 Foot Long Twinkie (In +1/+1 counters)
UB(U/B)Dragonlord Silumgar
true, but I thought I'd leave that comparison out this time, seeing as they gave us enemy fetches after ten thousand years of waiting.