So... -1/-1 counters theme in Amonkhet or for Planeswalker decks only?
They don't use +1/+1 and -1/- counters in the same block so safe to say its a theme. Could mean persist or something similar is back.
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It's been long enough that I can buy a -1/-1 counter theme.
Gideon's +2 is interesting, if that's the right wording. Untap is generally good for defense, but the +1/+1 till end of your turn would signify a need to attack. It's kind of a one or the other scenario. Makes the decision a little harder.
Oh. My. Bolas. -1/-1 counters, welcome back to Standard, my old friends! May it be that some particular mechanic utilizing -1/-1 counters which name starts with "in" and ends with "ect" is coming back also?
It's been long enough that I can buy a -1/-1 counter theme.
Gideon's +2 is interesting, if that's the right wording. Untap is generally good for defense, but the +1/+1 till end of your turn would signify a need to attack. It's kind of a one or the other scenario. Makes the decision a little harder.
Solid work on finding this Raptorchan!
in light of standard, Gideon works well with vehicles. tap to man vehicles, untap them and give em +1 full out attack. or tap man untap +1 man a second vehicle
So... -1/-1 counters theme in Amonkhet or for Planeswalker decks only?
They don't use +1/+1 and -1/- counters in the same block so safe to say its a theme. Could mean persist or something similar is back.
Who said there will be +1/+1 counters in Amonkhet block?
By default all sets have +1/+1 counter? Idk what your asking.
Also this is a card from a starter deck made to teach new players so safe to safe it is not going to be a one card thing.
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"You can tell how dumb someone is by how they use Mary Sue"
So... -1/-1 counters theme in Amonkhet or for Planeswalker decks only?
They don't use +1/+1 and -1/- counters in the same block so safe to say its a theme. Could mean persist or something similar is back.
Who said there will be +1/+1 counters in Amonkhet block?
By default all sets have +1/+1 counter? Idk what your asking.
Also this is a card from a starter deck made to teach new players so safe to safe it is not going to be a one card thing.
Scars block has only -1/-1 counters, not +1/+1.
Thats why I said default.
I realize the confusion so let me be a little clear; they normally use +1/+1 counters. Because of Lilianas card they are using -1/- counter, since this isn't the normal there must be a mechanical theme using -1/-1 counters.
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I'm sure I can find a way to abuse Gid's first ability in EDH, probably with getting extra attack phases.
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Aurelia the Warleader - Combat Tricks and Swarm
Oloro, Ageless Ascetic - Lifegain/Lifedrain Pillowfort
Trostani, Selesnya's Voice - Token Assault
Meren of Clan Nel Toth - Reanimator Value
Mizzix - Out of the Box Spellslinger
7 cmc for new Lily? For a measly -1/-1 counter? Ugh. At that mana cost she should be able to ultimate the turn she comes into play. Hope the "regular" version is 3 or 4 cmc.
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Wow, Gideon's plus looks solid. Depending on the full text, it might be worthwhile for my Merieke Ri Berit deck. If not there, maybe in EDH Elves! decks that include white.
The 4W mana cost is very interesting. There are very few Planeswalkers with only a single colored mana requirement.
The only one I can think of is Ajani from m15. If anything I can see Gideon becoming an edh card in a multi color deck list.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
So these are the powered down walkers for the noobs, huh. Gideon actually looks somewhat useable so far. Liliana seems overcosted for that plus-ability. Maybe she has a sick minus-ability or an easy-to-reach ultimate?
No hurt in guessing. I am going to guess that Liliana has an ultimate ability at -9 to -10. Her starting loyalty either being 3 or 4.
Gideon probably only has a -1 to -4 ability. Along with his standard 0 or +1 ability that turns himself into a creature for a turn.
Just my educated guess from their past printings and how the previous planeswalkers in the Planeswalker Decks were handled.
Gideon, Martial Paragon 4W
+2: Untap all creatures you control, those creatures get +1/+1 until end of turn.
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Liliana, Death's Manipulator 5BB
+2: Put a -1/-1 counter on up to one target creature.
So... -1/-1 counters theme in Amonkhet or for Planeswalker decks only?
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No way -1/-1 Counters are just for these decks. Winding Constrictor is crying.
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Cat.
Don't ask, I don't know why ether...
They don't use +1/+1 and -1/- counters in the same block so safe to say its a theme. Could mean persist or something similar is back.
"You can tell how dumb someone is by how they use Mary Sue"
Gideon's +2 is interesting, if that's the right wording. Untap is generally good for defense, but the +1/+1 till end of your turn would signify a need to attack. It's kind of a one or the other scenario. Makes the decision a little harder.
Solid work on finding this Raptorchan!
Who said there will be +1/+1 counters in Amonkhet block?
in light of standard, Gideon works well with vehicles. tap to man vehicles, untap them and give em +1 full out attack. or tap man untap +1 man a second vehicle
By default all sets have +1/+1 counter? Idk what your asking.
Also this is a card from a starter deck made to teach new players so safe to safe it is not going to be a one card thing.
"You can tell how dumb someone is by how they use Mary Sue"
Scars block has only -1/-1 counters, not +1/+1.
Thats why I said default.
I realize the confusion so let me be a little clear; they normally use +1/+1 counters. Because of Lilianas card they are using -1/- counter, since this isn't the normal there must be a mechanical theme using -1/-1 counters.
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Commander:
Aurelia the Warleader - Combat Tricks and Swarm
Oloro, Ageless Ascetic - Lifegain/Lifedrain Pillowfort
Trostani, Selesnya's Voice - Token Assault
Meren of Clan Nel Toth - Reanimator Value
Mizzix - Out of the Box Spellslinger
Standard:
RB Madness Vamps
Casual:
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The only one I can think of is Ajani from m15. If anything I can see Gideon becoming an edh card in a multi color deck list.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
So these are the powered down walkers for the noobs, huh. Gideon actually looks somewhat useable so far. Liliana seems overcosted for that plus-ability. Maybe she has a sick minus-ability or an easy-to-reach ultimate?
Chandra, the Firebrand
Daretti, Scrap Savant
Garruk Relentless
and honorary mentions to Karn Liberated and Ugin, the Spirit Dragon
Gideon probably only has a -1 to -4 ability. Along with his standard 0 or +1 ability that turns himself into a creature for a turn.
Just my educated guess from their past printings and how the previous planeswalkers in the Planeswalker Decks were handled.
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