"Finally, we announced full-art basic lands as part of some in-store promotions last week, but that's not the only place you'll find them—you can also get them in Amonkhet booster packs! Full-art basic lands will appear in approximately one out of every four boosters and will be available in other products as well."
MaRo also states that the Bundles will have a quarter of the lands be full art.
Oh. Thanks for the link. Why on earth would they make it 1 out of 4 though?
From a general standpoint: Because it keeps the full-art lands special and unique, allowing them to create hype and interest when next they show up.
From a financial standpoint: It sells more packs.
Practical Standpoint: Instead of the typical 4 standard land arts, we'll get 3 + 1 full. So the 1 in 4 is actually just the 4th art, and the "bundles" give you a roughly equal amount of each version of each art.
Practical Standpoint: Instead of the typical 4 standard land arts, we'll get 3 + 1 full. So the 1 in 4 is actually just the 4th art, and the "bundles" give you a roughly equal amount of each version of each art.
Sets vary pretty wildly on how many of each basic land there are. It's not always a case of "and this art is full." Different framing, print setup, and more art also probably means more money spent to make it. It's probably less practical to make full arts if a set is doing four lands, Especially if a set is bound for a big environmental change, a la Mirrodin, Innistrad, Zendikar.
I can imagine that the Islands, Swamps and Mountains would be extra-flavorful for a Nicol Bolas EDH deck, unless it turns out the symbol/Bolas' horns are also relevant to other major Legendary creatures on the plane, but Bolas is the most obvious link now.
They are pushing these lands hard. As they've told, the Standard Showdown promotion is returning starting May 3rd. These time around though, the special booster will include 2 rares/mythics + foil (any rarity) all drawn from current Standard legal sets + an Amonkhet full-art basic. They also emphasize that the foil can be a full art land as well, and Masterpiece cards will NOT be included this time around. So, we get a chance for a foil full art land instead of a Masterpiece.
Those lands look really nice, but I think they went a bit over the top with the Bolas horns...
They're too dominating for my taste, way more than the hedrons in most Zendikar land arts.
On the other hand, how are the prospects of getting ~1/4th of the pack lands as full art in general for future sets?
If they go that route, it seems quite reasonable to give them a more specific flavor for each set.
I think you miss understand that. Or maybe I do and I hope I do but I read that as saying the foils are for the store event and the pack versions are non foil. Am i wrong?
I think you miss understand that. Or maybe I do and I hope I do but I read that as saying the foils are for the store event and the pack versions are non foil. Am i wrong?
Did you see my first post after full art lands were confirmed? Because this thread was initially jist the pages mentioning the premium lands as promos.
Foils are both store event and booster pack available, but they'll appear less often than a foil basic land in the booster packs. Most of the full art pulled from the booster packs will be non-foil.
Those lands look really nice, but I think they went a bit over the top with the Bolas horns...
They're too dominating for my taste, way more than the hedrons in most Zendikar land arts.
On the other hand, how are the prospects of getting ~1/4th of the pack lands as full art in general for future sets?
If they go that route, it seems quite reasonable to give them a more specific flavor for each set.
I totally agree on both points. I kind of feel that the horns ruin the art to a degree, but it does give them a more flavorful feel for the plane, which would be nice if full-arts become a semi-regular thing.
So... are these literally only available through the Magic Open House event on April 15th? Is it actually confirmed anywhere that these are obtainable any other way?
"Finally, we announced full-art basic lands as part of some in-store promotions last week, but that's not the only place you'll find them—you can also get them in Amonkhet booster packs! Full-art basic lands will appear in approximately one out of every four boosters and will be available in other products as well."
MaRo also states that the Bundles will have a quarter of the lands be full art.
The art at the bottom of the page also basically confirms to me the return of the god subtype, and I'm guessing the order is W, U, (G or B), R, (B or G)
Edit - or were gods supertypes? Can't remember now.
Not sure I dig the horns...although I'm kind of bound to only play these in any grixis colored deck from now on though. Glad bolas is getting the love he deserves. He's actually a cool and unique villain compared to some of Gaming's other selection.
A little confused on something, will these be the only full arts? Or is there more that haven't been revealed?
Kinda bummed about the horns also. Reminds me a lot of Ravnica in the sense that there's barely any nature, it's all buildings. Since when has tall buildings passed for mountains, forests just a bit of greenery within the buildings, an island is just a river passing through a city? I was hoping (still am) that mountains will be a valley of pyramids and plains a vast desert.
A little confused on something, will these be the only full arts? Or is there more that haven't been revealed?
Kinda bummed about the horns also. Reminds me a lot of Ravnica in the sense that there's barely any nature, it's all buildings. Since when has tall buildings passed for mountains, forests just a bit of greenery within the buildings, an island is just a river passing through a city? I was hoping (still am) that mountains will be a valley of pyramids and plains a vast desert.
I'm sure there will be more, they just aren't teasing them all at once.
Edit - right, 1 in 4. So I guess that's it. Booooo. That ruins my plan of making all the lands in my cube these new ones.
A little confused on something, will these be the only full arts? Or is there more that haven't been revealed?
Kinda bummed about the horns also. Reminds me a lot of Ravnica in the sense that there's barely any nature, it's all buildings. Since when has tall buildings passed for mountains, forests just a bit of greenery within the buildings, an island is just a river passing through a city? I was hoping (still am) that mountains will be a valley of pyramids and plains a vast desert.
The revealed lands are the only full art lands in the set. There will be 3 more pieces for each basic land but those will be the "standard" form.
The art at the bottom of the page also basically confirms to me the return of the god subtype, and I'm guessing the order is W, U, (G or B), R, (B or G)
Edit - or were gods supertypes? Can't remember now.
God was a creature type. All of your Changelings and of course, Mistform Ultimus, are gods too.
I love the full art land cards. They are gorgeous and really allow you to get lost in the atmosphere of the colours you are playing with. I am new to MTG and often pulling out a magnifying glass to see and appreciate the artwork on the various cards. I have been reading and collecting tarot for over 40 years now, so used to larger artwork on my cards. I do hope they go back to full art wherever they can! But I agree about the horns. They just seem out of place and repetitive to me. They could do so much more with that space!
My hope is for great Egypt style lands - like a Swampy Nile river, or a Island Delta, Plains of wheat, Mountains as Pyramids, and Forest jungles.
My hope is for mesas that are noticeably arid, catacombs that are sufficiently verdant, rainforests that are convincingly misty, flats that are appropriately marshy, and some tarns that are considerably scalding.
+1 for that post alone, but I think if anything, we'll get them in the block after Amonkhet (Atlazan?). It would fit perfectly to the thematic of the land rising or sinking back into the sea, plus bringing them in for the next rotation means they won't collide with bfz duals.
I could be mistaken but when these sets were finalized we were on that 18 month rotation plan that got reversed so it's a possibility that they included them with the intention of the battle lands being gone.
So uhm... any guesses as to what those pillars are? They're featured on every land. (And no, I'm not talking about the giant horns.)
Isn't it obvious? Bolas got so full of himself that he IS Amonkhet!!! That whole planet is just his head in the vein of Ego the living planet and his body is just hanging on the other side of the planet.
In what universe? If you build a deck like that, and ever draw that hand, I will personally come to wherever you live, perform complicated acts of awestruck ********, then disembowel myself to escape the world that allowed something like this to occur and validate you.
Practical Standpoint: Instead of the typical 4 standard land arts, we'll get 3 + 1 full. So the 1 in 4 is actually just the 4th art, and the "bundles" give you a roughly equal amount of each version of each art.
Sets vary pretty wildly on how many of each basic land there are. It's not always a case of "and this art is full." Different framing, print setup, and more art also probably means more money spent to make it. It's probably less practical to make full arts if a set is doing four lands, Especially if a set is bound for a big environmental change, a la Mirrodin, Innistrad, Zendikar.
When a set has a land sheet, it doesn't really vary on how many of each basic land there are, mostly because print sheets are a standard size and only so many cards fits on a sheet - so the number of lands needs to be exactly the right number on the print sheets (on something like a dual deck, the entire deck (minus foils) will be one sheet, so it doesn't matter as much). This is way its always 4 of each art of 6 basic lands. With regards to set-up, etc, when I've created set-up sheets for professional printing, its not more work to change out a frame (or at least not significantly more work) because the sheets are compiled by the computer, not put together by hand - this is to make sure all the bleeds are set-up right. Since the Full Art frame already exists, its just a matter of assigning to the space on the sheet (the same way you would with any other card) so there is really no additional cost. Print set-up is based on the project, not based on the individual sheet - this is where it WOULD be way more expensive if you had a different full-art sheet (as this would require another step in assembling a booster). But it looks like my speculation was cleared up by Maro:
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narrictechna asked: I read/heard somewhere that Full-art lands in Amonkeht will have a higher rarity. Is this just because of the 25% ratio for the lands, or will will have non-common basic lands in addition to a basic?
The land sheet has twenty lands (repeated multiple times), four for each basic land type. One of the four is full-art land.
When a set has a land sheet, it doesn't really vary on how many of each basic land there are, mostly because print sheets are a standard size and only so many cards fits on a sheet - so the number of lands needs to be exactly the right number on the print sheets (on something like a dual deck, the entire deck (minus foils) will be one sheet, so it doesn't matter as much). This is way its always 4 of each art of 6 basic lands. With regards to set-up, etc, when I've created set-up sheets for professional printing, its not more work to change out a frame (or at least not significantly more work) because the sheets are compiled by the computer, not put together by hand - this is to make sure all the bleeds are set-up right. Since the Full Art frame already exists, its just a matter of assigning to the space on the sheet (the same way you would with any other card) so there is really no additional cost. Print set-up is based on the project, not based on the individual sheet - this is where it WOULD be way more expensive if you had a different full-art sheet (as this would require another step in assembling a booster). But it looks like my speculation was cleared up by Maro:
I believe I was unintentionally vague earlier. What I meant was while the actual physical number of lands does not vary from set to set, the numbers of variation on those lands does change.
What I meant was more along the following lines:
Aether Revolt: No basic land.
Kaladesh: 3 of each basic land.
Eldritch Moon: No basic land.
Shadows Over Innistrad: 3 of each basic land.
Oath of the Gatewatch: No basic land.
Battle for Zendikar: 5 of each basic land, in full art version for booster packs, half art for supplementary products.
Magic Origins: 4 of each basic land.
Dragons of Tarkir: 3 of each basic land.
Fate Reforged: 2 of each basic land.
Khans of Tarkir: 4 of each basic land.
M15: 4 of each basic land.
Journey Into Nyx: No basic land.
Born of the Gods: No basic land.
Theros: 4 of each basic land.
M14: 4 of each basic land.
Dragon's Maze: No basic land.
Gatecrash: No basic land.
Return to Ravnica: 5 of each basic land.
M13: 4 of each basic land.
Avacyn Restored: 3 of each basic land.
Dark Ascension: No basic land.
Innistrad: 3 of each basic land.
M12: 4 of each basic land.
New Phyrexia: 2 of each basic land.
Mirrodin Besieged: 2 of each basic land.
Scars of Mirrodin: 4 of each basic land.
And the vagaries of the English language kind of make MaRo's point and your points not match? Cause it sounds, to me at least, like you're saying that each land sheet has different land variations on it, whereas MaRo seems to be saying each land variation gets its own sheet (in this case).
print sheets are determined mainly by image files (e.g. jpg, psd, pdf, etc.) the card frame doesn't matter because you just change the art on an image file, and frames are just art. so obviously the least effort and cost for Wizard and the printer is to modify the basic land sheet according to what arts they want. and not create a separate sheet for every art variation.
in short, a different frame is merely a different art and doesn't warrant a separate sheet. Yamahako is right and Maro confirms that. All the basic lands, including full-art, go on the same sheet and distributed in booster packs normally without any special rules. this naturally gives the 1-in-4 chance for full arts.
in actuality, there are 5 full arts out of 20 different basic land arts total. so the chance of getting any full art of regardless of basic land type is 5/20 = 1/4. that also means the chance to get a full art of a specific land type is 1/20.
Ah, thanks to the clarification of the previous post and a look at the wiki (Note to self: Always check the wiki) I have a better understanding of printing and where my confusion was coming from.
One, aforementioned English vagaries, making me think a land sheet consisted of only 20 cards. Two, the phrase "This is way its always 4 of each art of 6 basic lands."
So let me make sure I have it right:
It's however many variations of all basic lands, multiplied by whatever it takes to get as close to 120 as possible (barring things like sets where basic lands get replaced, or having 5 lands a piece)
So for a set like Dragons of Tarkir, you have 3 of each basic land art, repeated 8 times over a sheet. But for Khans, where you have 4 of each basic land art, they repeat only 6 times per sheet.
So for Amonkhet, we'll have 6 copies of each land per sheet.
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Practical Standpoint: Instead of the typical 4 standard land arts, we'll get 3 + 1 full. So the 1 in 4 is actually just the 4th art, and the "bundles" give you a roughly equal amount of each version of each art.
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Sets vary pretty wildly on how many of each basic land there are. It's not always a case of "and this art is full." Different framing, print setup, and more art also probably means more money spent to make it. It's probably less practical to make full arts if a set is doing four lands, Especially if a set is bound for a big environmental change, a la Mirrodin, Innistrad, Zendikar.
They're too dominating for my taste, way more than the hedrons in most Zendikar land arts.
On the other hand, how are the prospects of getting ~1/4th of the pack lands as full art in general for future sets?
If they go that route, it seems quite reasonable to give them a more specific flavor for each set.
W(W/U)U Ephara - Flash & Taxes W(W/U)U || B(B/G)G Meren - Circle of Life B(B/G)G
RGW Marath - Ever shifting Wilds RGW || (U/R)C(W/B) Breya - Artificial Dominion (U/R)C(W/B)
UBR Becket Brass - take what you can, give nothing back UBR
UR Melek, Izzet ParagonUR, B Shirei, Shizo's CaretakerB, R Jaya Ballard, Task MageR,RW Tajic, Blade of the LegionRW, UB Lazav, Dimir MastermindUB, UB Circu, Dimir LobotomistUB, RWU Zedruu the GreatheartedRWU, GUBThe MimeoplasmGUB, UGExperiment Kraj UG, WDarien, King of KjeldorW, BMarrow-GnawerB, WBGKarador, Ghost ChieftainWBG, UTeferi, Temporal ArchmageU, GWUDerevi, Empyrial TacticianGWU, RDaretti, Scrap SavantR, UTalrand, Sky SummonerU, GEzuri, Renegade LeaderG, WUBRGReaper KingWUBRG, RGXenagos, God of RevelsRG, CKozilek, Butcher of TruthC, WUBRGGeneral TazriWUBRG, GTitania, Protector of ArgothG
Did you see my first post after full art lands were confirmed? Because this thread was initially jist the pages mentioning the premium lands as promos.
Foils are both store event and booster pack available, but they'll appear less often than a foil basic land in the booster packs. Most of the full art pulled from the booster packs will be non-foil.
I totally agree on both points. I kind of feel that the horns ruin the art to a degree, but it does give them a more flavorful feel for the plane, which would be nice if full-arts become a semi-regular thing.
The art at the bottom of the page also basically confirms to me the return of the god subtype, and I'm guessing the order is W, U, (G or B), R, (B or G)
Edit - or were gods supertypes? Can't remember now.
375 unpowered cube - https://cubecobra.com/cube/list/601ac624832cdf1039947588
Kinda bummed about the horns also. Reminds me a lot of Ravnica in the sense that there's barely any nature, it's all buildings. Since when has tall buildings passed for mountains, forests just a bit of greenery within the buildings, an island is just a river passing through a city? I was hoping (still am) that mountains will be a valley of pyramids and plains a vast desert.
I'm sure there will be more, they just aren't teasing them all at once.
Edit - right, 1 in 4. So I guess that's it. Booooo. That ruins my plan of making all the lands in my cube these new ones.
375 unpowered cube - https://cubecobra.com/cube/list/601ac624832cdf1039947588
The revealed lands are the only full art lands in the set. There will be 3 more pieces for each basic land but those will be the "standard" form.
God was a creature type. All of your Changelings and of course, Mistform Ultimus, are gods too.
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Isn't it obvious? Bolas got so full of himself that he IS Amonkhet!!! That whole planet is just his head in the vein of Ego the living planet and his body is just hanging on the other side of the planet.
When a set has a land sheet, it doesn't really vary on how many of each basic land there are, mostly because print sheets are a standard size and only so many cards fits on a sheet - so the number of lands needs to be exactly the right number on the print sheets (on something like a dual deck, the entire deck (minus foils) will be one sheet, so it doesn't matter as much). This is way its always 4 of each art of 6 basic lands. With regards to set-up, etc, when I've created set-up sheets for professional printing, its not more work to change out a frame (or at least not significantly more work) because the sheets are compiled by the computer, not put together by hand - this is to make sure all the bleeds are set-up right. Since the Full Art frame already exists, its just a matter of assigning to the space on the sheet (the same way you would with any other card) so there is really no additional cost. Print set-up is based on the project, not based on the individual sheet - this is where it WOULD be way more expensive if you had a different full-art sheet (as this would require another step in assembling a booster). But it looks like my speculation was cleared up by Maro:
Custom Set
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hu9uNBSUt92PwGhvexYlwFvsh6_SJBlEEIUV3H9_XyU/edit?usp=sharing
I believe I was unintentionally vague earlier. What I meant was while the actual physical number of lands does not vary from set to set, the numbers of variation on those lands does change.
What I meant was more along the following lines:
Aether Revolt: No basic land.
Kaladesh: 3 of each basic land.
Eldritch Moon: No basic land.
Shadows Over Innistrad: 3 of each basic land.
Oath of the Gatewatch: No basic land.
Battle for Zendikar: 5 of each basic land, in full art version for booster packs, half art for supplementary products.
Magic Origins: 4 of each basic land.
Dragons of Tarkir: 3 of each basic land.
Fate Reforged: 2 of each basic land.
Khans of Tarkir: 4 of each basic land.
M15: 4 of each basic land.
Journey Into Nyx: No basic land.
Born of the Gods: No basic land.
Theros: 4 of each basic land.
M14: 4 of each basic land.
Dragon's Maze: No basic land.
Gatecrash: No basic land.
Return to Ravnica: 5 of each basic land.
M13: 4 of each basic land.
Avacyn Restored: 3 of each basic land.
Dark Ascension: No basic land.
Innistrad: 3 of each basic land.
M12: 4 of each basic land.
New Phyrexia: 2 of each basic land.
Mirrodin Besieged: 2 of each basic land.
Scars of Mirrodin: 4 of each basic land.
And the vagaries of the English language kind of make MaRo's point and your points not match? Cause it sounds, to me at least, like you're saying that each land sheet has different land variations on it, whereas MaRo seems to be saying each land variation gets its own sheet (in this case).
in short, a different frame is merely a different art and doesn't warrant a separate sheet. Yamahako is right and Maro confirms that. All the basic lands, including full-art, go on the same sheet and distributed in booster packs normally without any special rules. this naturally gives the 1-in-4 chance for full arts.
in actuality, there are 5 full arts out of 20 different basic land arts total. so the chance of getting any full art of regardless of basic land type is 5/20 = 1/4. that also means the chance to get a full art of a specific land type is 1/20.
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One, aforementioned English vagaries, making me think a land sheet consisted of only 20 cards. Two, the phrase "This is way its always 4 of each art of 6 basic lands."
So let me make sure I have it right:
It's however many variations of all basic lands, multiplied by whatever it takes to get as close to 120 as possible (barring things like sets where basic lands get replaced, or having 5 lands a piece)
So for a set like Dragons of Tarkir, you have 3 of each basic land art, repeated 8 times over a sheet. But for Khans, where you have 4 of each basic land art, they repeat only 6 times per sheet.
So for Amonkhet, we'll have 6 copies of each land per sheet.