I am 100% behind the general power of a set being found at uncommon. More common power cards = less expensive decks and a lower barrier of entry for new players.
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It's offical, Wizards has offically said %*#! it and started printing good cards again in uncommon and common rarity.
What's the worst that could happen? Attendance has bottomed out.
Any evidence to support that?
A standard event hasn't fired in my city in about three months now. Modern and Legacy are the only formats scraping by. Standard Showdown was a clear desperation move to get people to play Standard, but now they are finally addressing the real issues.
Can't wait for Bolas to Make Magic Great Again in Amonkhet.
Sets are planned so far in advance it seems doubtful that Aether Revolt's power could be a response to much more recent downturns in Standard popularity.
Standard's downturn feels anything but recent. The format feels as if it's been in a slump since the mono black devotion days, Coco seemed to push it over the edge and I haven't seen it bounce back since.
It's offical, Wizards has offically said %*#! it and started printing good cards again in uncommon and common rarity.
What's the worst that could happen? Attendance has bottomed out.
Any evidence to support that?
A standard event hasn't fired in my city in about three months now. Modern and Legacy are the only formats scraping by. Standard Showdown was a clear desperation move to get people to play Standard, but now they are finally addressing the real issues.
Can't wait for Bolas to Make Magic Great Again in Amonkhet.
Sets are planned so far in advance it seems doubtful that Aether Revolt's power could be a response to much more recent downturns in Standard popularity.
Seriously. There's no way they could have seen the popularity of standard dying down to change rarities in time. Also if someone doesn't see a standard event firing in their local area, that's anecdotal evidence. A bigger sample size would be those people on Twitter rating standard a 3/10 when responding to Sam Stoddard.
I don't think it would be very difficult at all to make these changes from Kaladesh to Aether Revolt.
Again this is just speculation, but Aether Revolt so far seems to be on a completely different level than Kaladesh. It seems odd that there would be such a huge power spike in the middle of a block, instead of starting fresh with a new one. I have a strong feeling there's been a change in the NWO over at Wizards HQ, I look forward to this year's State of Design to clarify what's changed and why.
I don't know why there're so many apologists-***-cavepeople out here. It's really not hard to see that Standard is in a hot mess right now. Check Twitter, check the pros' opinions, heck, just go on youtube and do some fact-finding for yourself.
Don't use the dumb argument of "Wizards work 2 years in advanced so how would they know". Please. Read the mothership articles. They admitted BFZ was a screwup, and following another Eldrazi fiasco in Innistrad wasn't the best of ideas. They knew about it, and Kaladesh and beyond is looking to fix that hot mess. Feedback has been received and Kaladesh is the genesis of the process. Don't ask me to link or source, search it for yourself and stop being lazy.
The recent spoilers, of more powerful cards at uncommon especially, brings back the memories of Khans block.
So back to the thread. Treasure Keeper looks really good. I don't think it's standard playable, but I can't count it out when there's Eldritch Evolution and Emerge in standard. The only problem I've is the art. Doesn't feel Kaladesh to me.. Looks darkish, moody...
Wow. This is... one of the stronger uncommons we've seen in a while. There are a fair number of exile effects in Standard right now which will limit its effectiveness there at least until rotation, but it should see at least some amount of play in the right deck.
The problem with defining this format by what is "fun" is that everyone seems to define fun as what they don't lose to. If you keep losing to easily answered cards, that means you should improve your deck. If you don't want to improve your deck, then you should come to peace with the idea that you are going to lose because you chose to not interact with better strategies.
It costs 1 more (but with no C requirement) but can hit the likes of Hypergenesis too.
It's essentially Cascade on a death trigger instead of cast trigger.
Not really that interactive with Yidris though, since you cast the card from the library and not the hand, so Cascade doesn't trigger. Unless you're talking about casting this with Cascade and then sacrificing it for another one, in which Maelstrom Nexus technically could do the same thing as well.
Ah, quite true. I tend to forget it only applies to cards you cast from your hand.
At least the Expertise cycle has been very good for him
(well, not Sram's Expertise, but he'll definitely be rocking Baral's Expertise and Rishkar's Expertise).
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Development doesn't work two years in advance, more like a year, so they would have had time since Zendikar block to change things for Kaladesh and Aether Revolt.
I agree that it seems like they are trying to fix the issues with standard balance.
Bloodbraid this is not (no Haste and doesn"t trigger on cast) but there are advantages to being colourless. This is more "combo" than "aggro". I like it.
I think it's that there are more top C and UC cards in Aether Revolt ALONE than are on that list. Note that you don't list a single card from BFZ block (tho Spatial Contortion is pretty good), and only one each from SOI and EMN (Thermo should be Blessed Alliance but the point stands). However, in AER there are already 10+ high quality Standard cards printed at uncommon, most of which would be rares in any other set (see Matter Reshaper and this!). I think people are just happy to see a good volume and variety of playable and affordable cards - something that has been sorely lacking in Standard for a long time now, but which is noticeably improving with Kaladesh block
I think it's that there are more top C and UC cards in Aether Revolt ALONE than are on that list. Note that you don't list a single card from BFZ block (tho Spatial Contortion is pretty good), and only one each from SOI and EMN (Thermo should be Blessed Alliance but the point stands). However, in AER there are already 10+ high quality Standard cards printed at uncommon, most of which would be rares in any other set (see Matter Reshaper and this!). I think people are just happy to see a good volume and variety of playable and affordable cards - something that has been sorely lacking in Standard for a long time now, but which is noticeably improving with Kaladesh block
You can get your whole library, all basic lands, and get every single 3 cost or lower permanent on the field.
**mouth waters heavily**
cool art too, for what its worth.
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but when he leaves them speechless with wisdom.
I am 100% behind the general power of a set being found at uncommon. More common power cards = less expensive decks and a lower barrier of entry for new players.
This man knows what he is talking about.
Great card by the way. So many possibilities...
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I think it's that there are more top C and UC cards in Aether Revolt ALONE than are on that list. Note that you don't list a single card from BFZ block (tho Spatial Contortion is pretty good), and only one each from SOI and EMN (Thermo should be Blessed Alliance but the point stands). However, in AER there are already 10+ high quality Standard cards printed at uncommon, most of which would be rares in any other set (see Matter Reshaper and this!). I think people are just happy to see a good volume and variety of playable and affordable cards - something that has been sorely lacking in Standard for a long time now, but which is noticeably improving with Kaladesh block
I didn't say I couldn't, just that there wasn't one there :3
Anyway, my point still stands that AER appears (because let's face it, everything is still untested) to have many more good uncommons than a typical set, or even block.
Anyway, my point still stands that AER appears (because let's face it, everything is still untested) to have many more good uncommons than a typical set, or even block.
Totally agree. And as I was discussing with buffsam, it would have been cool if this was an intentional flavor thing to go along with the idea of a revolt.
This card is insane in a lot of formats. A 3/3 for 4 that casts a free spell, even a random one, on death is definitely comparable to Bloodbraid Elf and Solemn Simulacrum in terms of value generation, and those cards are both multi-format staples.
RE: Standard and uncommons; it's clear that while every set gets a handful of high-power commons and uncommons the pendulum was pretty far on the $$$ end of the spectrum for Khans/BFZ Standard and for BFZ/SOI standard. I remember the sinking feeling of looking at PT: BFZ's standard lists and seeing winning decks of 57 rares/mythics and 3 basic lands. Recent standard has been a smidgen better, with white-based aggro (featuring plenty of common and uncommon beaters) and G/B-based midrange (which features a few mythics but plenty of common enablers and early-game), but even so most decks are defined by powerful rares and mythics above and beyond the mana base. A part of this is the push for "story-driven gameplay" and the subsequent super-powering of always-Mythic Planeswalkers and big, splashy, "Story Spotlights". It seems as though they've realized this and are correcting course a little now. I can't imagine that having so many high power commons and uncommons in one set is unintentional, and while nothing in this set is quite at the Treasure Cruise level of "bannable in most eternal formats", we've got a lot of stuff that I think is going to have and retain value for many years a la Dismember, Gitaxian Probe, etc.; the set reminds me a lot of New Phyrexia in that way.
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I think it's that there are more top C and UC cards in Aether Revolt ALONE than are on that list. Note that you don't list a single card from BFZ block (tho Spatial Contortion is pretty good), and only one each from SOI and EMN (Thermo should be Blessed Alliance but the point stands).
I was putting out the first few that came to mind. But there are plenty of good commons and uncommons to be found throughout recent blocks.
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
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You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
Death cascade? I'm sure there's some way to exploit this.
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Sets are planned so far in advance it seems doubtful that Aether Revolt's power could be a response to much more recent downturns in Standard popularity.
Seriously. There's no way they could have seen the popularity of standard dying down to change rarities in time. Also if someone doesn't see a standard event firing in their local area, that's anecdotal evidence. A bigger sample size would be those people on Twitter rating standard a 3/10 when responding to Sam Stoddard.
Again this is just speculation, but Aether Revolt so far seems to be on a completely different level than Kaladesh. It seems odd that there would be such a huge power spike in the middle of a block, instead of starting fresh with a new one. I have a strong feeling there's been a change in the NWO over at Wizards HQ, I look forward to this year's State of Design to clarify what's changed and why.
Don't use the dumb argument of "Wizards work 2 years in advanced so how would they know". Please. Read the mothership articles. They admitted BFZ was a screwup, and following another Eldrazi fiasco in Innistrad wasn't the best of ideas. They knew about it, and Kaladesh and beyond is looking to fix that hot mess. Feedback has been received and Kaladesh is the genesis of the process. Don't ask me to link or source, search it for yourself and stop being lazy.
The recent spoilers, of more powerful cards at uncommon especially, brings back the memories of Khans block.
So back to the thread. Treasure Keeper looks really good. I don't think it's standard playable, but I can't count it out when there's Eldritch Evolution and Emerge in standard. The only problem I've is the art. Doesn't feel Kaladesh to me.. Looks darkish, moody...
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I'll tell you: "mythics aren't good enough".
Ah, quite true. I tend to forget it only applies to cards you cast from your hand.
At least the Expertise cycle has been very good for him
(well, not Sram's Expertise, but he'll definitely be rocking Baral's Expertise and Rishkar's Expertise).
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Control needs more love.
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Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
I agree that it seems like they are trying to fix the issues with standard balance.
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I think it's that there are more top C and UC cards in Aether Revolt ALONE than are on that list. Note that you don't list a single card from BFZ block (tho Spatial Contortion is pretty good), and only one each from SOI and EMN (Thermo should be Blessed Alliance but the point stands). However, in AER there are already 10+ high quality Standard cards printed at uncommon, most of which would be rares in any other set (see Matter Reshaper and this!). I think people are just happy to see a good volume and variety of playable and affordable cards - something that has been sorely lacking in Standard for a long time now, but which is noticeably improving with Kaladesh block
Because I can point out trading post immediately
This and Solemn Simulacrum and trading post and paradox engine
You can get your whole library, all basic lands, and get every single 3 cost or lower permanent on the field.
Reflector Mage
**mouth waters heavily**
cool art too, for what its worth.
I invision a future where one is not mighty when he can silence a crowd with brutality,
but when he leaves them speechless with wisdom.
This man knows what he is talking about.
Great card by the way. So many possibilities...
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and the "Major changes to Extended" in July 2010. You aborted our cards., but we approve of the Modern format. Even if it doesn't ha ve Carrion Feeder or Caller of the Claw in it.Dex: http://deckbox.org/users/Egementium_instructoid
I didn't say I couldn't, just that there wasn't one there :3
Anyway, my point still stands that AER appears (because let's face it, everything is still untested) to have many more good uncommons than a typical set, or even block.
Totally agree. And as I was discussing with buffsam, it would have been cool if this was an intentional flavor thing to go along with the idea of a revolt.
RE: Standard and uncommons; it's clear that while every set gets a handful of high-power commons and uncommons the pendulum was pretty far on the $$$ end of the spectrum for Khans/BFZ Standard and for BFZ/SOI standard. I remember the sinking feeling of looking at PT: BFZ's standard lists and seeing winning decks of 57 rares/mythics and 3 basic lands. Recent standard has been a smidgen better, with white-based aggro (featuring plenty of common and uncommon beaters) and G/B-based midrange (which features a few mythics but plenty of common enablers and early-game), but even so most decks are defined by powerful rares and mythics above and beyond the mana base. A part of this is the push for "story-driven gameplay" and the subsequent super-powering of always-Mythic Planeswalkers and big, splashy, "Story Spotlights". It seems as though they've realized this and are correcting course a little now. I can't imagine that having so many high power commons and uncommons in one set is unintentional, and while nothing in this set is quite at the Treasure Cruise level of "bannable in most eternal formats", we've got a lot of stuff that I think is going to have and retain value for many years a la Dismember, Gitaxian Probe, etc.; the set reminds me a lot of New Phyrexia in that way.
RCRDaretti: Superfriends Forever RCR
WGBDoran: Ent-mootWBG
GGGMultani: Group Bear HugGGG
GB(B/G)The Gitrog Monster: Dredgefall DurdleGB(B/G)
RGWGahiji, the Honored Group Hug MonsterRGW
UB(U/B)Yuriko, Ninja Trinket AggroUB(U/B)
WUBRGAtogatog: Assembling a OHKOWUBRG
Thankfully, there seems to be a lot less of that (overcosted spells).
It's quite refreshing after blocks like Theros and BFZ.
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Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
I was putting out the first few that came to mind. But there are plenty of good commons and uncommons to be found throughout recent blocks.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
Edit - Nevermind. It exiles the token
On phasing: