Is it just me, or have a lot of judge foils been very EDH oriented lately? I prefer it when judges get valuable cards that are easier to move, so that they can get a proper reward. Not a judge myself, but they are often the backbones of their local MTG communities. They often put in a lot of work for players and deserve to get properly rewarded, and handing them expensive foil reprints of cards such as FoW, Wasteland, hyper-pimp basics and Port is an excellent way to give them some compensation that isn`t strictly speaking salary. This, however, seems more of a friendly pat on the back. It`s a cool card, but it`s niche and will not be very valuable.
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These have been all over the FB groups High End Magic and MTG Sick Deals for about a week now. They've been selling at $50.
Huh. Never underestimate how much EDH players love pimping, I guess.
And I'm one of them, with 6 foiled-out decks. I'm waiting for Confluence to drop to about $30, then I'm snatching it up for my Kruphix foiled deck, which already has 9 counterspells in it.
I think $30-$50 is reasonable for this. It is a commander/cube staple and the only foil printing. Considering that is about what a materpiece lightning greaves goes for, it seems reasonable.
I do wish they would do new art, alternate frame etc. to make the judge foils standa out even mroe and give them a bigger return.
While judges are important, I don't support the notion of expensive cards. They can always give out a few different cards instead of one super expensive one. And that expensive one shouldn't be expensive in the first place. But that's my opinion.
While judges are important, I don't support the notion of expensive cards. They can always give out a few different cards instead of one super expensive one. And that expensive one shouldn't be expensive in the first place. But that's my opinion.
Wait. I'm confused. What exactly do you mean when you say that you don't support the notion of expensive cards? Like, are you saying that Magic shouldn't have expensive cards at all or that judges shouldn't be compensated with valuable items? I mean, I'm all for making Magic a cheaper game thereby making it more accessible to more players, but Wizards doesn't exactly control which cards become valuable beyond how scarcely they choose to print them. Consumers' demand for a given card helps determine that.
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Supposed card A is "worth" 150, and cards B-F are "worth" 30 each; I rather they be rewarded this way (the latter).
Cards like A should be printed in boxed sets, not handed out. The part where "expensive shouldn't be expensive in the first place".
That's the whole gist of what I was trying to say. I should expand on what I meant. Agree that consumers determine the price of cards, but that's only part of the process. We all know there's more to that.
They can't really do a whole bunch of $30+ dollar cards at a time though because there just aren't that many cards that expensive that exist. I mean it might seem like it if you just do a search on star city or something and don't look but most of it is Alpha/Beta/Antiquities/Arabian Nights/Legends versions and versions of the same card. I think when I looked it up there was only Crucible, Thoughtsieze, Damnantion, and Bribery left out of Modern Masters 1.
Pretty sure (and certainly hoping) that this goes down to the typical 20/30-range that EDH-centric Judge Promos usually drop to (Karador, Feldon, Command Beacon and even Xiahou Dun all eventually fell to those prices). It's just currently in its "new and shiny" price phase which most of the aforementioned cards went through as well.
That's a really crappy judge promo. I'd instantly post that online to sell. It's worth something now, in a month or two $5. To me it's worth $1 Such a bad card.
If it were modern-legal it'd probably obselete Cryptic Command due to more flexible casting cost and a better effect for only one more mana. It's a decent card for sure, but it's a shame that it doesn't have new artwork. Though I find myself with that complaint really often, so maybe I'm just wrong.
That's a really crappy judge promo. I'd instantly post that online to sell. It's worth something now, in a month or two $5. To me it's worth $1 Such a bad card.
Mystic Confluence goes in every EDH deck running blue and every cube in existence, where's it's a legit P1P1 card. There is so much Magic to be played beyond Standard and Modern FNMs.
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While I agree that at time Cryptic is a T5, T6 play due to its UUU, Mystic Confluence has no possibility to be cast on t4 outside of absurd circumstances.
It wouldn't replace Cryptic. There're situations whereby Cryptic is a better card like bouncing a Lili on a hellbent opponent when he/she +1, or simply tempo-ing the opponent by return his tapped land. Not to mention annoying enchantments/artifacts of which Mystic can't do.
Mystic if available for modern is just a different option, not to replace cryptic.
Sorry for the partial digress. It's still a very good card, but I wouldn't say it's a definite shoo-in for blue decks. I wanna defend the many mavericks of EDH deckbuilders out there.
Since two people replied to. It's only worth $7 normally right now. If I were a judge I'd want something worth more. That's the main reason I don't like the card. They will also most likely reprint this often.
You cant just ignore the foil multiplier on a card like this. when it comes to cards for highlander, commander and cube, the foils will hold value 3 times higher than the regular quite easily. This is a $30 card and will be for a long time unless they print it into the ground.
Since two people replied to. It's only worth $7 normally right now. If I were a judge I'd want something worth more. That's the main reason I don't like the card. They will also most likely reprint this often.
You cant just ignore the foil multiplier on a card like this.
You can't ignore it,
but you shouldn't overestimate it, either.
For example, the promos for both Overwhelming Forces and Xiahou Dun, the One-Eyed
have been available for less than $20,
even though they are not only the only foil printings,
but the only black-bordered ones as well
(and the original cards were both worth way more than $7).
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Is it just me, or have a lot of judge foils been very EDH oriented lately? I prefer it when judges get valuable cards that are easier to move, so that they can get a proper reward. Not a judge myself, but they are often the backbones of their local MTG communities. They often put in a lot of work for players and deserve to get properly rewarded, and handing them expensive foil reprints of cards such as FoW, Wasteland, hyper-pimp basics and Port is an excellent way to give them some compensation that isn`t strictly speaking salary. This, however, seems more of a friendly pat on the back. It`s a cool card, but it`s niche and will not be very valuable.
They've been following a pattern of one low value card and one high value card per wave increment (each exemplar mailing is two wave increments which rotate much like blocks do in standard). Normally this ends up being a terrible EDH card and a decent value Legacy card. Some have flipped this in the past (Shardless Agent was the cheap card in the increment with temporal manipulation) and some have been full EDH (this one is either full edh or EDH + vintage depending on your opinion on Imperial Seal).
I do agree with you that that I'm not very happy with Mystic Confluence here. I'm receiving two of these packets this wave and I can't imagine getting any use of two of the damn thing since I'm not very active in EDH (one probably goes into Patron of the Moon, and the other one will rot, wishing it was relevant to Legacy). Like, this isn't as bad as the Command Beacon promo (which is impossible to sell or trade because literally nobody wants them), but it's still a bit of a disappointment. I had been hoping that WotC would buck the trend and do something useful like Deathrite Shaman in the low value slot.
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Since two people replied to. It's only worth $7 normally right now. If I were a judge I'd want something worth more. That's the main reason I don't like the card. They will also most likely reprint this often.
You cant just ignore the foil multiplier on a card like this.
You can't ignore it,
but you shouldn't overestimate it, either.
For example, the promos for both Overwhelming Forces and Xiahou Dun, the One-Eyed
have been available for less than $20,
even though they are not only the only foil printings,
but the only black-bordered ones as well
(and the original cards were both worth way more than $7).
Yes but to be honest Mystic Confluence is a much better card and sees far more play than either one of those. The price of the original printings are high only because they are rare. If P3K was printed like any other set I'm confident both cards would be worthless.
Is it just me, or have a lot of judge foils been very EDH oriented lately? I prefer it when judges get valuable cards that are easier to move, so that they can get a proper reward. Not a judge myself, but they are often the backbones of their local MTG communities. They often put in a lot of work for players and deserve to get properly rewarded, and handing them expensive foil reprints of cards such as FoW, Wasteland, hyper-pimp basics and Port is an excellent way to give them some compensation that isn`t strictly speaking salary. This, however, seems more of a friendly pat on the back. It`s a cool card, but it`s niche and will not be very valuable.
They've been following a pattern of one low value card and one high value card per wave increment (each exemplar mailing is two wave increments which rotate much like blocks do in standard). Normally this ends up being a terrible EDH card and a decent value Legacy card. Some have flipped this in the past (Shardless Agent was the cheap card in the increment with temporal manipulation) and some have been full EDH (this one is either full edh or EDH + vintage depending on your opinion on Imperial Seal).
I do agree with you that that I'm not very happy with Mystic Confluence here. I'm receiving two of these packets this wave and I can't imagine getting any use of two of the damn thing since I'm not very active in EDH (one probably goes into Patron of the Moon, and the other one will rot, wishing it was relevant to Legacy). Like, this isn't as bad as the Command Beacon promo (which is impossible to sell or trade because literally nobody wants them), but it's still a bit of a disappointment. I had been hoping that WotC would buck the trend and do something useful like Deathrite Shaman in the low value slot.
Anytime you get a card that's not specifically playable for YOUR decks, just view them as getting cash. It's hilarious that you would call Confluence "damn thing(s)" and saying that your second copy will rot, when the card sells easy as hell for $40-$42 in the Magic Sick Deals FB group. And if you're having trouble getting rid of Command Beacon's, you'll get $13-$14 for them in the same group, and you can sell both cards within a day of posting. Not every judge promo is going to be hundreds of dollars, but *****ing that cards will rot in a binder or that literally no one wants them says more about your lack of initiative to move them with nearly no effort than it does about the quality of the cards.
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Just like him I hope imperial seal ends up in set that prints for a while (it's not reserved.)
And I'm one of them, with 6 foiled-out decks. I'm waiting for Confluence to drop to about $30, then I'm snatching it up for my Kruphix foiled deck, which already has 9 counterspells in it.
I do wish they would do new art, alternate frame etc. to make the judge foils standa out even mroe and give them a bigger return.
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Wait. I'm confused. What exactly do you mean when you say that you don't support the notion of expensive cards? Like, are you saying that Magic shouldn't have expensive cards at all or that judges shouldn't be compensated with valuable items? I mean, I'm all for making Magic a cheaper game thereby making it more accessible to more players, but Wizards doesn't exactly control which cards become valuable beyond how scarcely they choose to print them. Consumers' demand for a given card helps determine that.
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Cards like A should be printed in boxed sets, not handed out. The part where "expensive shouldn't be expensive in the first place".
That's the whole gist of what I was trying to say. I should expand on what I meant. Agree that consumers determine the price of cards, but that's only part of the process. We all know there's more to that.
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If it were modern-legal it'd probably obselete Cryptic Command due to more flexible casting cost and a better effect for only one more mana. It's a decent card for sure, but it's a shame that it doesn't have new artwork. Though I find myself with that complaint really often, so maybe I'm just wrong.
Mystic Confluence goes in every EDH deck running blue and every cube in existence, where's it's a legit P1P1 card. There is so much Magic to be played beyond Standard and Modern FNMs.
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It wouldn't replace Cryptic. There're situations whereby Cryptic is a better card like bouncing a Lili on a hellbent opponent when he/she +1, or simply tempo-ing the opponent by return his tapped land. Not to mention annoying enchantments/artifacts of which Mystic can't do.
Mystic if available for modern is just a different option, not to replace cryptic.
Sorry for the partial digress. It's still a very good card, but I wouldn't say it's a definite shoo-in for blue decks. I wanna defend the many mavericks of EDH deckbuilders out there.
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You can't ignore it,
but you shouldn't overestimate it, either.
For example, the promos for both Overwhelming Forces and Xiahou Dun, the One-Eyed
have been available for less than $20,
even though they are not only the only foil printings,
but the only black-bordered ones as well
(and the original cards were both worth way more than $7).
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I do agree with you that that I'm not very happy with Mystic Confluence here. I'm receiving two of these packets this wave and I can't imagine getting any use of two of the damn thing since I'm not very active in EDH (one probably goes into Patron of the Moon, and the other one will rot, wishing it was relevant to Legacy). Like, this isn't as bad as the Command Beacon promo (which is impossible to sell or trade because literally nobody wants them), but it's still a bit of a disappointment. I had been hoping that WotC would buck the trend and do something useful like Deathrite Shaman in the low value slot.
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Yes but to be honest Mystic Confluence is a much better card and sees far more play than either one of those. The price of the original printings are high only because they are rare. If P3K was printed like any other set I'm confident both cards would be worthless.
Anytime you get a card that's not specifically playable for YOUR decks, just view them as getting cash. It's hilarious that you would call Confluence "damn thing(s)" and saying that your second copy will rot, when the card sells easy as hell for $40-$42 in the Magic Sick Deals FB group. And if you're having trouble getting rid of Command Beacon's, you'll get $13-$14 for them in the same group, and you can sell both cards within a day of posting. Not every judge promo is going to be hundreds of dollars, but *****ing that cards will rot in a binder or that literally no one wants them says more about your lack of initiative to move them with nearly no effort than it does about the quality of the cards.