The fact the token created bay the +1 have to tap + sacrifice is tough.
Why? I'm genuinely curious. Outside of Quicksmith Rebel and Malfunction (and honestly, who is going to use Malfunction on the token), there isn't a whole lot of relevance and it mimics Lotus Petal nicely.
It's to make sure he isn't stupidly broken with Improvise cards. The tokens would make two mana each in that case.
The fact the token created bay the +1 have to tap + sacrifice is tough.
Why? I'm genuinely curious. Outside of Quicksmith Rebel and Malfunction (and honestly, who is going to use Malfunction on the token), there isn't a whole lot of relevance and it mimics Lotus Petal nicely.
It's to make sure he isn't stupidly broken with Improvise cards. The tokens would make two mana each in that case.
The fact the token created bay the +1 have to tap + sacrifice is tough.
Why? I'm genuinely curious. Outside of Quicksmith Rebel and Malfunction (and honestly, who is going to use Malfunction on the token), there isn't a whole lot of relevance and it mimics Lotus Petal nicely.
It's to make sure he isn't stupidly broken with Improvise cards. The tokens would make two mana each in that case.
I'm not actually sure that would work. It feels like it would work the same way Convoke does, where you can't tap an Eldrazi Spawn and then sacrifice it to generate two mana.
I can't wait for everyone under evaluating this card to get floored by him in standard. Is it modern playable? absolutely not. But this thing is a house in standard.
His "reliance on artifacts" is a weakness. Yeah, so what he can't go in every deck, and besides tezz has always been about artifacts. In a shell that's not even built to support him but even just a deck with enough artifacts, he will put in work. His removal is stronger than people are giving him credit for, he's got a very fast emblem- an emblem which people are also underestimating (it will turn the game in your favor, people can't just deal with a 5/5 every turn). Hell if you're able to wait another turn he will make the 5/5s on his own.
His +1 is extremely deceptive, in the control builds he wants to be in the mana advantage can be ridiculous. The fact that he has 5 starting loyalty is a big, big damn deal. He offers a lot for 4 mana in standard.
I'm not sure anyone is under evaluating this card, besides the ones saying it's terrible. Lets look at this card objectively. On and empty board state, it can do nothing but give you a lotus petal, which is fine, but not great. On a loaded board it cannot protect itself unless you have artifacts out, which is a solid bet if you are using him; again, fine but not great. In a control build, like some have said he would be good, I would have to disagree. you are tapping out turn 4 to do nothing but get a lotus petal, because you wont have any artifacts unless you are playing dynavolt control, and in that case you will have 1. His high loyalty will probably let him survive, but he will take a beating that first turn you play him because you gave your opponent a free turn from removal. That seems really bad. Overall, he is just another saheeli rai. weak all around and needs a lot of help and build around to even be usable. I like build around walkers mind you; it's not a slam. But let's get real. No one is getting pummeled by this Tezzeret. He is simply a puzzle piece that can help a gimmicky deck, just like saheeli.
I'm not sure anyone is under evaluating this card, besides the ones saying it's terrible. Lets look at this card objectively. On and empty board state, it can do nothing but give you a lotus petal, which is fine, but not great. On a loaded board it cannot protect itself unless you have artifacts out, which is a solid bet if you are using him; again, fine but not great. In a control build, like some have said he would be good, I would have to disagree. you are tapping out turn 4 to do nothing but get a lotus petal, because you wont have any artifacts unless you are playing dynavolt control, and in that case you will have 1. His high loyalty will probably let him survive, but he will take a beating that first turn you play him because you gave your opponent a free turn from removal. That seems really bad. Overall, he is just another saheeli rai. weak all around and needs a lot of help and build around to even be usable. I like build around walkers mind you; it's not a slam. But let's get real. No one is getting pummeled by this Tezzeret. He is simply a puzzle piece that can help a gimmicky deck, just like saheeli.
This is a pretty fair evaluation. He's definitely not terrible like some people are saying, though. People tend to think of walkers as finishers rather than enablers, though, and this Tezz is a much better enabler than finisher. I could see him doing work in a U/B Metalwork Colossus deck. Helps you ramp into colossus and you can sac the tokens to bring Colossus back late-game. Maybe act as removal sometimes, too. If nothing else it definitely plays nicely with Heart of Kiran.
The main thing is that he's a synergy walker, which means his power is completely dependant on the tools the current set of kaladesh has and whatever gets released in Aether Revolt. He tends to remind me a lot of Trading Post or Springjack Pasture in a planeswalker form.
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Agreed, both of the previous tezzerets have seen legacy play, and the original has seen vintage play. This is hot garbage, unplayable in any format aside from commander, and is not likely to be good there either. This might see play in standard for the first couple of weeks but will go unplayed the rest of the format once everyone realizes how bad it is.
There is some potential with this guy. However, this is on curve with Gideon who just shuts the lights out on Tezzeret. Probably a sleeper until Gideon is gone.
There is some potential with this guy. However, this is on curve with Gideon who just shuts the lights out on Tezzeret. Probably a sleeper until Gideon is gone.
I think his Standard potential is entirely linked to the Bolas card in Amonkhet costing 6 or 7. If you can semi-reliably go Tapland - Creature - Anticipate / Removal - Tezz - Bolas then Grixis Evilfriends can likely be a thing.
I could *swear* they previewed different art for his card at PAX...
They didn't necessarily preview new art for his card, but there was Tezzeret art that certainly looked like it could be on a Planeswalker card.
It was a full-bodied view of this, with Pia cut out, obviously:
There was a discussion on it's similarity to Saheeli Rai's Key Art from Kaladesh, which didn't end up on a card so...*shrug*
Could go either way, honestly.
Yeah, that's the one.
Guess this guy is def. real since he's from an official FB.
He's boring, but pretty powerful.
That Ultimate is quite *****ty though.
It would be more acceptable if it followed his previous pattern
of being one activation away from his starting loyalty
(like Tezzeret the Seeker and Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas).
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If they make another Archenemy, they should reprint this Tezzeret in it because he is the Schemer after all.
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
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This makes me sad. I like Tezz as a character, but in Modern, UB really doesn't have much in the way of being the artifacts color pair, I think that is just Tezz. I get why for story, but of the 3 UB planeswalkers, two are ONLY usable in an artifact deck. UB has all of the tempo/control tools in two colors, why can't we have a planeswalker to reflect that?
Holy smokes would I love a tempo U/B Planeswalker. Tapping down things, discard, Faerie or Zombie token....one can dream
ikr? my only problem, to be tempo, I want it to be 1UB....and most of my ideas of 'good' in card creation tend to be called something along the lines of 'broken in half'. I like efficiency, power and versatility, sue me, Wizards printed DRS, my (1UB 3 loyalty, +1-each player gets a 1/1 UB flying Fairie token minus 2-target opponent discards a card at random. minus 6- you get an emblem with 'instants and sorceries in your graveyard get flashback equal to the casting cost, then exile) isn't so busted in comparison
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5 starting loyalty for a 4 mana planeswalker is pretty good.
+1 for a lotus petal is alright, but it doesn't really impact the board, and mana generating plus abilities have never been that relevant.
-2 is decent in the right deck IF you have at least a decent board position, won't protect himself very well if you don't have a decent board position to begin with.
-7 is horrible. A really really bad version of Kiora, the Crashing Wave's ultimate.
This Tezzeret is nowhere near the power level of his previous incarnations.
I've been wrong a lot, but I don't really see this planeswalker anywhere near constructed for the foreseeable future.
5 starting loyalty for a 4 mana planeswalker is pretty good.
+1 for a lotus petal is alright, but it doesn't really impact the board, and mana generating plus abilities have never been that relevant.
-2 is decent in the right deck IF you have at least a decent board position, won't protect himself very well if you don't have a decent board position to begin with.
-7 is horrible. A really really bad version of Kiora, the Crashing Wave's ultimate.
This Tezzeret is nowhere near the power level of his previous incarnations.
I've been wrong a lot, but I don't really see this planeswalker anywhere near constructed for the foreseeable future.
In fairness, Kiora's ultimate is oppressively good. Standard was just lucky that there wasn't a deck that she easily slotted into because her ultimate was relatively easy to achieve against non-red/burn decks. This Tezzeret's ultimate is even a bit easier to acheive, which is probably why they made it so conditional.
I think that we need to see the artifacts and support printed in AER before we can write off this planeswalker completely, though. In a UB or UBR control shell with sufficient artifact support, he's going to be the deck's main facilitator. Control needs ample mana supply, which his +1 provides. It also needs removal, which Standard is currently flush with (I'm surprised Unlicensed Disintegration doesn't see more play. The card is insanely good), but Tezzeret's -2, though underwhelming, can still likely eliminate any creature with the right board state. His ultimate is going to win games in the proper deck, especially if you can either keep him on the board or drop another one and just keep spamming his +1.
He's certainly difficult to evaluate, but I think that he will surprise many with his usefulness, much like Nahiri did.
The first Tezzeret turned all your artifacts into 5/5 with his ultimate. This one only does one a turn. The more I look at it the worse and worse it seems, I'm really not sure what they were thinking.
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It seems like Wizards is playing it too safe when it comes to UB walkers. There are now 3 artifact ones, all Tez, and an exile based one. Would this Tes be broken if his - gave -X/-X instead and his ult created 5/5 tokens instead of turned artifacts into 5/5's? Likely not. Would it allow him to fit in a broader range of decks? Yes. While I like his + in that it is fixing/ramp, I would prefer the + from Master of Metal. Guess I'm still waiting on the Dimir walker who's even a little pushed.
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It seems like Wizards is playing it too safe when it comes to UB walkers. There are now 3 artifact ones, all Tez, and an exile based one. Would this Tes be broken if his - gave -X/-X instead and his ult created 5/5 tokens instead of turned artifacts into 5/5's? Likely not. Would it allow him to fit in a broader range of decks? Yes. While I like his + in that it is fixing/ramp, I would prefer the + from Master of Metal. Guess I'm still waiting on the Dimir walker who's even a little pushed.
Why would you want him to give -x/-x? Given that it's sorcery speed based until end of turn, it only decreases it's usefulness. Right now it can be used as removal or as a pump spell, in your version it can only be used as removal.
Also Agent of Bolas IS pretty pushed, given the fact that he sees play in eternal formats...
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Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
A lot of hate for his mana giving abilities, being compaired to Chandra's... but he's adding an artifact to the field, and its instant sac-able.
Plus, if you get him out turn 4, you have 7 mana turn 5.
And a 4 mana 3 turn ultimate is pretty good. So good, you dont get tokens, you have to use your own artifacts. But.... I LOVE that his +1 works well with his ultimate. How many walkers can say that...
He's not bad. Just people are comparing him to agent of bolas which is a very powerful card. It's a fringe playable card. I see him being maybe a one or two of in some builds of the grixis metallurgic summonings deck. He can be good in Breya edh decks, i'll definitely try him out in mine. Modern and legacy... no.
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I'm not actually sure that would work. It feels like it would work the same way Convoke does, where you can't tap an Eldrazi Spawn and then sacrifice it to generate two mana.
His "reliance on artifacts" is a weakness. Yeah, so what he can't go in every deck, and besides tezz has always been about artifacts. In a shell that's not even built to support him but even just a deck with enough artifacts, he will put in work. His removal is stronger than people are giving him credit for, he's got a very fast emblem- an emblem which people are also underestimating (it will turn the game in your favor, people can't just deal with a 5/5 every turn). Hell if you're able to wait another turn he will make the 5/5s on his own.
His +1 is extremely deceptive, in the control builds he wants to be in the mana advantage can be ridiculous. The fact that he has 5 starting loyalty is a big, big damn deal. He offers a lot for 4 mana in standard.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
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I think his Standard potential is entirely linked to the Bolas card in Amonkhet costing 6 or 7. If you can semi-reliably go Tapland - Creature - Anticipate / Removal - Tezz - Bolas then Grixis Evilfriends can likely be a thing.
Yeah, that's the one.
Guess this guy is def. real since he's from an official FB.
He's boring, but pretty powerful.
That Ultimate is quite *****ty though.
It would be more acceptable if it followed his previous pattern
of being one activation away from his starting loyalty
(like Tezzeret the Seeker and Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas).
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
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Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
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Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
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If they make another Archenemy, they should reprint this Tezzeret in it because he is the Schemer after all.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
ikr? my only problem, to be tempo, I want it to be 1UB....and most of my ideas of 'good' in card creation tend to be called something along the lines of 'broken in half'. I like efficiency, power and versatility, sue me, Wizards printed DRS, my (1UB 3 loyalty, +1-each player gets a 1/1 UB flying Fairie token minus 2-target opponent discards a card at random. minus 6- you get an emblem with 'instants and sorceries in your graveyard get flashback equal to the casting cost, then exile) isn't so busted in comparison
To be fair, I've heard dying and being brought back by an ancient dragon takes a lot out of you.
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Well that would be kinda cool to have multiple sources that produce these "mana" tokens.
Would be a great way to enable ramp and splash colors in limited.
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5 starting loyalty for a 4 mana planeswalker is pretty good.
+1 for a lotus petal is alright, but it doesn't really impact the board, and mana generating plus abilities have never been that relevant.
-2 is decent in the right deck IF you have at least a decent board position, won't protect himself very well if you don't have a decent board position to begin with.
-7 is horrible. A really really bad version of Kiora, the Crashing Wave's ultimate.
This Tezzeret is nowhere near the power level of his previous incarnations.
I've been wrong a lot, but I don't really see this planeswalker anywhere near constructed for the foreseeable future.
In fairness, Kiora's ultimate is oppressively good. Standard was just lucky that there wasn't a deck that she easily slotted into because her ultimate was relatively easy to achieve against non-red/burn decks. This Tezzeret's ultimate is even a bit easier to acheive, which is probably why they made it so conditional.
I think that we need to see the artifacts and support printed in AER before we can write off this planeswalker completely, though. In a UB or UBR control shell with sufficient artifact support, he's going to be the deck's main facilitator. Control needs ample mana supply, which his +1 provides. It also needs removal, which Standard is currently flush with (I'm surprised Unlicensed Disintegration doesn't see more play. The card is insanely good), but Tezzeret's -2, though underwhelming, can still likely eliminate any creature with the right board state. His ultimate is going to win games in the proper deck, especially if you can either keep him on the board or drop another one and just keep spamming his +1.
He's certainly difficult to evaluate, but I think that he will surprise many with his usefulness, much like Nahiri did.
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Why would you want him to give -x/-x? Given that it's sorcery speed based until end of turn, it only decreases it's usefulness. Right now it can be used as removal or as a pump spell, in your version it can only be used as removal.
Also Agent of Bolas IS pretty pushed, given the fact that he sees play in eternal formats...
Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
Plus, if you get him out turn 4, you have 7 mana turn 5.
And a 4 mana 3 turn ultimate is pretty good. So good, you dont get tokens, you have to use your own artifacts. But.... I LOVE that his +1 works well with his ultimate. How many walkers can say that...
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