This seems too good. It's at least as good as smuggler's copter, but it might be even better.
Having 4 toughness is pretty huge, dodges harnessed lightning, eats copters, doesn't die to avacyn flip if that ever comes up.
4 power means it kills Gideon in one swing and trades with avacyn.
All in all this seems like a great tool for u/w and against u/w.
This is so much worse than smugglers copter it's not even funny. Triple the crew requirement and no looting for 1 more point of power and vigilance, and a pretty narrow PW ability.
I wouldn't compare this with copter just because it's a 2 mana vehicle. It really isn't designed to compete for the same deck slot. While copter is obviously designed with attacking in mind, this is designed for blocking. It's a superfriends defensive card that dodges *** and will sometimes attack if you have the loyalty to burn. It also has 4 toughness, so it has a slightly higher chance of seeing modern play than the eminently boltable copter.
Perhaps a test in Grixis control ... this into Lilly & a 4/4 to block...or maybe tokens? Sorin (crew) + smash 5 lifelink
It is obvious this card is going to be good, but I am willing to suspect it could be around a $20 card even a year out of rotation. It serves as a cheap attacker that can in turn be a strong defender. It can be easily activated, whether with a planeswalker or creature. It has evasion, and impressive stats for it's cost. I thing this is a sure investment, and I think it will maintain value among the FNM players, EDH players, and even kitchen magic players. With this being said, I advise all of you to pick these up while cheap, because otherwise you will be missing out on a busted mythic.
Gideon, Ally of Zendikar fuels this thing in perpetuity forever. Your turn, +1, tap Gideon to crew Heart of Kiran. Their turn, take the counter off that you just got, use it to alterna-crew Heart of Kiran. That seems...unpleasant.
This is so much worse than smugglers copter it's not even funny. Triple the crew requirement and no looting for 1 more point of power and vigilance, and a pretty narrow PW ability.
+legendary. You can play multiple Copters.
It also kicks Copter's rotor in combat, can activate without creatures, won't be utterly neutered by a single Quicksmith Rebel, and doesn't tap to attack so it can also block.
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I think this will probably replace Fleetwheel Cruiser in RW vehicles if the deck in question has walkers in it main deck. It's just a really solid vehicle with a good set of abilities, nothing more and nothing less. Smuggler's Copter is just insane and likely wont get replaced by this guy at all.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Gideon, Ally of Zendikar fuels this thing in perpetuity forever. Your turn, +1, tap Gideon to crew Heart of Kiran. Their turn, take the counter off that you just got, use it to alterna-crew Heart of Kiran. That seems...unpleasant.
It can also turn into +1 make Gideon a creature, Take the counter off to make the Kiran a creature, send 9 into the red zone. Repeat every turn.
I really dislike how this costs the same as Thopter Copter -.- They knew that the fact it costs 2, it will inevitably compete for this Slot with Copter & so decrease the numbers it will see Play.
i wanted the revolting Flagshop to be this.
Heart of Kiran - 3
Legendary Artifact - Vehicle
Flying
Crew 2
When you cast Heart of Kiran, create two 1/1 colorless Thopter artifact creatures with Flying.
At the beginning of your upkeep, scry 1 & you gain 1 life.
This way @ least it would Play a different Role than Copter allready succesfuly does.
This is copter 5/6 (Only playing 1 or 2 max) alongside Toolcraft Exemplar and Veteran Motorist. Besides Giddy and possibly Nahiri, I don't see any other reason to play this, but it will be a smashing addition to what is a good idea and deck. The only downside is that blasted crew 3, but then again, Cultivator's Caravan IS played... isn't it?
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A RW Dwarf Vehicle deck with Depala, Pilot Exemplar seems like a promising place for Heart of Kiran, especially since it curves right into her.
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
PSA to everyone who keeps forgetting about the Reserved List:
You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
A key element here is that it does not die to Harnessed Lightning without extra enablers. It's a great T2 play into a T3 beat face in a deck that already puts out a lot 3 power creatures. It's not as much of a power upgrade (Crew 1 into 3 power vs Crew 3 into 4 power), but the ability to block after attacking is very relevant, especially in the mirror. And the PW ability is gravy, making a really nice synergy to stop damage from getting to the walker. Loss of 1 loyalty vs. more is clearly a superior play. Even then, the opponent will likely not attack due to the fact that you can block profitably, meaning the PW does not lose loyalty at all.
I'm definitely in favor of the +1 Gids and then remove one to swing for 9. Solid play for sure.
I like that it can attack through open BB mana on turn three (even Harnessed Lightning augmented with one Hub), with Motorist or Depala.
It plays with and against Walkers, and it could be playable in older formats. I am a fan.
I am probably crazy, but if it drops to $5 or below, I like it for a bit of Tron testing. I have had many games since I dropped my Eldrazi package where I have Karn with a ton of counters but I don't want to restart the game, Wurmcoil swinging but being chumped by tokens, the game is obviously mine,but my playgroup does not like to concede, they play it out. A beefy flyer that is a pain to remove and is fueled by Karn may be just the thing to close out those games. I know it's probably silly, but if it works it would be neat.
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I missed my turn 2 Heart so it went - turn 2 Servant, Turn 3 Tezzeret, Turn 4 Nissa Vital Force and Heart of Kiran. Turn 5 Ajani Unyielding.
-1 Tezzeret, +1 Gideon
I missed my Gideon as well. Tezzeret fuels ramp allowing Vital Force and Heart to both be played on turn 5 since you need 7 mana.
How about
Turn 2 Servant
Turn 3 Tezzeret
Turn 4 Gideon, Heart
Turn 5 Tracker, Liliana
It probably should be Abzan rather than Witch, but possibility of having 3 friends on the board turn 4 is hard to pass up.
I'm not sure if deck should go heavier black or white. Black heavy runs 2 Liliana and 2 Gideon. White Heavy runs 4 Gideon and 0 Liliana but can't run Grasp of Darkness.
For creatures deck uses Servant, Tracker, and needs a 3rd which should be either a 1 or 2 drop. Oviya is a consideration as is Lambholt Pacifist. Thraben Inspector is possible if go white heavy. Oath of Nissa could be an option but you risk getting run over.
It is also hard to decide 4-0 or 3-1, Heart-Copter. 3-1 is probably how it should go.
I think the Witch Friends look something like 2x Little Nissa, 0-2x Liliana, 2-4x Gideon, 4x Tezzeret, 2x Big Nissa, 2x Ob, 2x Ajani.
That leave's 2 spots open plus sideboard. If black heavy those 2 spots are grasp with 2 more in the sideboard as well as Yahenni's Expertise. Blossoming Defense in sideboard vs. control. If white heavy it is a tougher decision as to what removal to place in main deck. Fragmentize goes in sideboard.
Not sure if go with 22 lands and 2 Attune or 20 land and 4 Attune.
Perhaps a test in Grixis control ... this into Lilly & a 4/4 to block...or maybe tokens? Sorin (crew) + smash 5 lifelink
UBDragonlord Silumgar WGKarametra, God of Harvests
BRUNekusar, the Mindrazer BGMazirek, Kraul Death Priest
URMelek, Izzet Paragon UGPrime Speaker Zegana
WUHanna, Ship's Navigator BWUSydri, Galvanic Genius
WUBRGSliver Queen RBBladewing the Risen
WBKarlov of the Ghost Council RGXenagos, God of Revels
GFreyalise, Llanowar's Fury RWAurelia, the Warleader
RIb Halfheart, Goblin Tactician BDrana, Liberator of Malakir
UAzami, Lady of Scrolls WNahiri, the Lithomancer
WBGDoran, the Siege Tower CEmrakul, the Promised End
Gideon and Lupine Prototype are now Han Solo and Chewbacca as they can pilot anything
DracoBall: http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/casual-related-formats/homebrew-variant-formats/598529-dracoball-updated-3-24-15
Fantastic Fours: http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/casual-related-formats/homebrew-variant-formats/603605-fantastic-fours
It also kicks Copter's rotor in combat, can activate without creatures, won't be utterly neutered by a single Quicksmith Rebel, and doesn't tap to attack so it can also block.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
It can also turn into +1 make Gideon a creature, Take the counter off to make the Kiran a creature, send 9 into the red zone. Repeat every turn.
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i wanted the revolting Flagshop to be this.
Heart of Kiran - 3
Legendary Artifact - Vehicle
Flying
Crew 2
When you cast Heart of Kiran, create two 1/1 colorless Thopter artifact creatures with Flying.
At the beginning of your upkeep, scry 1 & you gain 1 life.
This way @ least it would Play a different Role than Copter allready succesfuly does.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
I'm definitely in favor of the +1 Gids and then remove one to swing for 9. Solid play for sure.
It plays with and against Walkers, and it could be playable in older formats. I am a fan.
-1 Tezzeret, +1 Gideon
I missed my Gideon as well. Tezzeret fuels ramp allowing Vital Force and Heart to both be played on turn 5 since you need 7 mana.
How about
Turn 2 Servant
Turn 3 Tezzeret
Turn 4 Gideon, Heart
Turn 5 Tracker, Liliana
It probably should be Abzan rather than Witch, but possibility of having 3 friends on the board turn 4 is hard to pass up.
I'm not sure if deck should go heavier black or white. Black heavy runs 2 Liliana and 2 Gideon. White Heavy runs 4 Gideon and 0 Liliana but can't run Grasp of Darkness.
For creatures deck uses Servant, Tracker, and needs a 3rd which should be either a 1 or 2 drop. Oviya is a consideration as is Lambholt Pacifist. Thraben Inspector is possible if go white heavy. Oath of Nissa could be an option but you risk getting run over.
It is also hard to decide 4-0 or 3-1, Heart-Copter. 3-1 is probably how it should go.
I think the Witch Friends look something like 2x Little Nissa, 0-2x Liliana, 2-4x Gideon, 4x Tezzeret, 2x Big Nissa, 2x Ob, 2x Ajani.
That leave's 2 spots open plus sideboard. If black heavy those 2 spots are grasp with 2 more in the sideboard as well as Yahenni's Expertise. Blossoming Defense in sideboard vs. control. If white heavy it is a tougher decision as to what removal to place in main deck. Fragmentize goes in sideboard.
Not sure if go with 22 lands and 2 Attune or 20 land and 4 Attune.