He only seems viable in Standard, and even then I don't think he will wreck house. Everywhere else he's trash. Even in EDH. Paying 6 mana to Swords To Plowshares and probably not be able to activate him again because he'll be dead isn't efficient at all. The plus will miss. It doesn't even net you lands, that's just nonsense. Even Swords to Plowshares two times for 4WG doesn't seem that good, and that will not happen often. Even in limited he's not that great because the plus will miss a lot.
The ultimate doesn't do anything unless you are already winning.
I am really disappointed about this. If Tezzert is this power level, I will be severely bummed.
Yeah, that's exactly why no planeswalker ever sees any EDH play ever. The opponent will always and forever have exactly the board state needed to deal with them, and sadly people who play something as dumb as planeswalkers in EDH aren't smart enough to protect them or build their decks around them.
By the way, people think his plus is good but it's not. Your deck is going to be about %40 lands. So when you reveal the top 3 cards of your library, there's a good chance at least one of them you won't get to put in your hand. There's also a very good chance you aren't going to be running only permanent spells. This is especially true in EDH where cards like Skyshroud Claim and Path To Exile are essentials. You are often going to plus and net one to two cards from this, sometimes you will whiff, and it's going to feel really bad after paying 6 mana.
He only seems viable in Standard, and even then I don't think he will wreck house. Everywhere else he's trash. Even in EDH. Paying 6 mana to Swords To Plowshares and probably not be able to activate him again because he'll be dead isn't efficient at all. The plus will miss. It doesn't even net you lands, that's just nonsense. Even Swords to Plowshares two times for 4WG doesn't seem that good, and that will not happen often. Even in limited he's not that great because the plus will miss a lot.
The ultimate doesn't do anything unless you are already winning.
I am really disappointed about this. If Tezzert is this power level, I will be severely bummed.
Yeah, that's exactly why no planeswalker ever sees any EDH play ever. The opponent will always and forever have exactly the board state needed to deal with them, and sadly people who play something as dumb as planeswalkers in EDH aren't smart enough to protect them or build their decks around them.
By the way, people think his plus is good but it's not. Your deck is going to be about %40 lands. So when you reveal the top 3 cards of your library, there's a good chance at least one of them you won't get to put in your hand. There's also a very good chance you aren't going to be running only permanent spells. This is especially true in EDH where cards like Skyshroud Claim and Path To Exile are essentials. You are often going to plus and net one to two cards from this, sometimes you will whiff, and it's going to feel really bad after paying 6 mana.
First, I think he was being sarcastic.
Second, even if his plus only nets you ONE card, it's good. To be able to put all nonland permanents into your hand off it makes it potentially insane. Seriously, with a card like Yahenni's Expertise coming into the format, aggro decks are going to have a much harder time, and midrange/control will likely step into the limelight once again. Just be grateful that Siege Rhino is no longer in the format because...could you imagine Ajani and Expertise alongside the Rhino in an Abzan deck?
an effective 6 cost walker, Having Swords to Plowshares is very fitting (Ajani has done stuff like that since forever). His + is less likely to whiff due to being nonlands, its just a matter of the ratio. Super Friends will love the ult.
This guy could probably make Naya Midrange a thing again. I really like the constant Swords to Plowshares thing on this guy. Not sure about other formats, but I have to admit the power level on this guy isn't as high as should a planeswalker be.
The plus will miss. It doesn't even net you lands, that's just nonsense.
How is that an argument? I could just as easily say it can give you three cards. FoF misses sometimes, does that make it a bad card? Yes, it will miss. It will also draw you three. Stating either of those things is irrelevant.
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The plus will miss. It doesn't even net you lands, that's just nonsense.
How is that an argument? I could just as easily say it can give you three cards. FoF misses sometimes, does that make it a bad card? Yes, it will miss. It will also draw you three. Stating either of those things is irrelevant.
Statistically speaking, in a deck with 40% lands, and any reasonable amount of nonland permanents (we could say 20% if we were being conservative), it is very unlikely you will gain three cards from this Ajani. You are more likely to miss than to draw 3. Paying 6 mana for a planeswalker and then using it's plus to miss is really crappy. It shouldn't be possible for 6 mana planeswalkers to not help you at all when they first come out and plus.
Hopefully his price tanks after prerelease where he doesn't appear in any topping decks. This card is bonkers in Superfriends - particularly Atraxa, Praetors' Voice.
What I'm really intrigued about is his involvement in Kaladesh. Ajani was last seen in Theros helping out Elspeth. Did he once again go seek out Nicol Bolas to continue being a thorn in his side?
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Hopefully his price tanks after prerelease where he doesn't appear in any topping decks. This card is bonkers in Superfriends - particularly Atraxa, Praetors' Voice.
What I'm really intrigued about is his involvement in Kaladesh. Ajani was last seen in Theros helping out Elspeth. Did he once again go seek out Nicol Bolas to continue being a thorn in his side?
I guess you haven't read the Magic Story these past months.
Hopefully his price tanks after prerelease where he doesn't appear in any topping decks. This card is bonkers in Superfriends - particularly Atraxa, Praetors' Voice.
What I'm really intrigued about is his involvement in Kaladesh. Ajani was last seen in Theros helping out Elspeth. Did he once again go seek out Nicol Bolas to continue being a thorn in his side?
Nope.
Long story short, he's been hanging out with Tamiyo and Narset, who knew Elspeth at some point, too. He's on Kaladesh because of Tezzeret, who he found out about through Tamiyo.
All in all a good card, though I'm surprised at his relatively low starting loyalty. It's true his +2 can be a little inconsistent, but in all the decks I would use him in, that wouldn't be a problem. I quite like him for my modern boggles deck, and of course superfriends decks.
I like him in any superfriends or atraxa even if it's not a superfriends deck. I want one just for atraxa. Not sure what I'd replace though. I also have to find a slot for gilder bairn. I just picked up atraxa yesterday. It was hard to find by me so the only things I've done so far was swap out some of the stuff for my foil versions and swapped out the persist artifact for a chromatic lantern because why is it not already in the precon?
Kinda sad that Ajani has seemingly been delegated to EDH super friends, but it is what it is. His +2 is very tempting to try in cube alongside Sylvan Library to stack your deck to get exactly what you want, but I sincerely doubt it will be worth the effort. Swords on a walker isn't the worst, and it does try to protect him, and the ult is just winmore gravy.
I'm actually glad this GW walker is kinda bland. It's as if wizards realized at some point that you don't always have to push GW for people to play it. This card is of the same ilk as all of the recent red walkers (minus the new Chandra), where it would be great at one less cmc, but where it stands leaves you more likely siding it out. It's nice to see GW players wont just be able to slot in 4x of the new walker/s of its colors, hitting on perfect curve and protecting itself. If you want to use this card, you have to actually build a deck and think about it. That's how it's felt to play non agro red for years. as for the card itself, it's appropriate for the cost. turn 6 it gets 6 loyalty and refills your empty hand, or exiles your opponents best creature, which as this point will likely be their bomb finisher. I guess people are just to used to the overly powerful Gideon type walkers that are inappropriately to cheap to cast.
Him being Selesnya instead of the Naya he should be better not mean Tezzeret really is getting shoehorned into Esper. That said, Ajani having W in his identity may make it more likely that Tezzeret doesn't.
Hopefully his price tanks after prerelease where he doesn't appear in any topping decks. This card is bonkers in Superfriends - particularly Atraxa, Praetors' Voice.
What I'm really intrigued about is his involvement in Kaladesh. Ajani was last seen in Theros helping out Elspeth. Did he once again go seek out Nicol Bolas to continue being a thorn in his side?
Nope.
Long story short, he's been hanging out with Tamiyo and Narset, who knew Elspeth at some point, too. He's on Kaladesh because of Tezzeret, who he found out about through Tamiyo.
All in all a good card, though I'm surprised at his relatively low starting loyalty. It's true his +2 can be a little inconsistent, but in all the decks I would use him in, that wouldn't be a problem. I quite like him for my modern boggles deck, and of course superfriends decks.
As a boogle player I dont think I ever got to 6 manas, but it is pretty sweet for superfriends EDH.
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"This is really exciting, so much to find out about, so much to look forward to, I'm quite dizzy with anticipation . . . Or is it the wind? There really is a lot of that now, isn't there? And wow! Hey! What's this thing suddenly coming toward me very fast? Very, very fast. So big and flat and round, it needs a big wide-sounding name like . . . ow . . . ound . . . round . . . ground! That's it! That's a good name- ground! I wonder if it will be friends with me? Hello Ground!"
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Him being Selesnya instead of the Naya he should be better not mean Tezzeret really is getting shoehorned into Esper. That said, Ajani having W in his identity may make it more likely that Tezzeret doesn't.
There was no reason to make Ajani Naya. And it's very likely that Tezz will be Dimir, color balance could just take into account Amonkhet.
Him being Selesnya instead of the Naya he should be better not mean Tezzeret really is getting shoehorned into Esper. That said, Ajani having W in his identity may make it more likely that Tezzeret doesn't.
There was no reason to make Ajani Naya. And it's very likely that Tezz will be Dimir, color balance could just take into account Amonkhet.
Agreed. Last we saw Tezz, he was UB, so it wouldn't be surprising for him to revisit it.
The plus will miss. It doesn't even net you lands, that's just nonsense.
How is that an argument? I could just as easily say it can give you three cards. FoF misses sometimes, does that make it a bad card? Yes, it will miss. It will also draw you three. Stating either of those things is irrelevant.
Statistically speaking, in a deck with 40% lands, and any reasonable amount of nonland permanents (we could say 20% if we were being conservative), it is very unlikely you will gain three cards from this Ajani. You are more likely to miss than to draw 3. Paying 6 mana for a planeswalker and then using it's plus to miss is really crappy. It shouldn't be possible for 6 mana planeswalkers to not help you at all when they first come out and plus.
If you only reveal irrelevant cards with that FoF I would say it have missed. Sure, you might have extra cards in hand, but those cards are irrelevant.
Yep, it is very unlikely to gain three cards from ajani. Just as it is unlikely to not gain any card from it, and even if you gain zero cards it is likely that you have cleared some lands from the top that you are less likely to need if you have 6 mana for ajani in play.
Now, I am not saying ajani is amazing or great. I'm not even saying he is good. His abilities are powerful, but that is to be expected for investing 6 mana. But looking at his plus-abilitystating that it can miss completely is no different than looking at it stating that it can be an ancestral recall. Sure, it could be. But those are corner cases where the natural thing to look at is average draw.
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This isn't true.
Garruk, Primal Hunter is very good in EDH. So are Karn Liberated and Ugin, the Spirit Dragon. Nissa, Vastwood Seer is also good in the format.
By the way, people think his plus is good but it's not. Your deck is going to be about %40 lands. So when you reveal the top 3 cards of your library, there's a good chance at least one of them you won't get to put in your hand. There's also a very good chance you aren't going to be running only permanent spells. This is especially true in EDH where cards like Skyshroud Claim and Path To Exile are essentials. You are often going to plus and net one to two cards from this, sometimes you will whiff, and it's going to feel really bad after paying 6 mana.
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First, I think he was being sarcastic.
Second, even if his plus only nets you ONE card, it's good. To be able to put all nonland permanents into your hand off it makes it potentially insane. Seriously, with a card like Yahenni's Expertise coming into the format, aggro decks are going to have a much harder time, and midrange/control will likely step into the limelight once again. Just be grateful that Siege Rhino is no longer in the format because...could you imagine Ajani and Expertise alongside the Rhino in an Abzan deck?
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How is that an argument? I could just as easily say it can give you three cards. FoF misses sometimes, does that make it a bad card? Yes, it will miss. It will also draw you three. Stating either of those things is irrelevant.
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Fact or Fiction never actually misses. You will always net cards out of Fact or Fiction. You will get cards in your graveyard and your hand from Fact or Fiction.
Statistically speaking, in a deck with 40% lands, and any reasonable amount of nonland permanents (we could say 20% if we were being conservative), it is very unlikely you will gain three cards from this Ajani. You are more likely to miss than to draw 3. Paying 6 mana for a planeswalker and then using it's plus to miss is really crappy. It shouldn't be possible for 6 mana planeswalkers to not help you at all when they first come out and plus.
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What I'm really intrigued about is his involvement in Kaladesh. Ajani was last seen in Theros helping out Elspeth. Did he once again go seek out Nicol Bolas to continue being a thorn in his side?
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I guess you haven't read the Magic Story these past months.
Nope.
Long story short, he's been hanging out with Tamiyo and Narset, who knew Elspeth at some point, too. He's on Kaladesh because of Tezzeret, who he found out about through Tamiyo.
All in all a good card, though I'm surprised at his relatively low starting loyalty. It's true his +2 can be a little inconsistent, but in all the decks I would use him in, that wouldn't be a problem. I quite like him for my modern boggles deck, and of course superfriends decks.
Okay. But at 6 mana, is it standard playable? Or should I only acquire 1 copy for superfriends?
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As a boogle player I dont think I ever got to 6 manas, but it is pretty sweet for superfriends EDH.
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There was no reason to make Ajani Naya. And it's very likely that Tezz will be Dimir, color balance could just take into account Amonkhet.
Agreed. Last we saw Tezz, he was UB, so it wouldn't be surprising for him to revisit it.
If you only reveal irrelevant cards with that FoF I would say it have missed. Sure, you might have extra cards in hand, but those cards are irrelevant.
Yep, it is very unlikely to gain three cards from ajani. Just as it is unlikely to not gain any card from it, and even if you gain zero cards it is likely that you have cleared some lands from the top that you are less likely to need if you have 6 mana for ajani in play.
Now, I am not saying ajani is amazing or great. I'm not even saying he is good. His abilities are powerful, but that is to be expected for investing 6 mana. But looking at his plus-abilitystating that it can miss completely is no different than looking at it stating that it can be an ancestral recall. Sure, it could be. But those are corner cases where the natural thing to look at is average draw.
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