MTG Salvation

Huh. So red gets Polymorphing effects now. Fair enough.

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Huh. So red gets Polymorphing effects now. Fair enough.

Less of a Polymorph variant, and more of a Chaos Warp variant. Though, it is surprising to see this worded exactly like Polymorph would be in red.

I like it. Dunno if it'll actually be good, but I like it.

Is this or is this not 2 Polymorphs? Exactly?

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Is this or is this not 2 Polymorphs? Exactly?

Polymorph buries this exiles for what it is worth.

uh this is polymorph-esque. interesting can be strong in multiplayer, much like the rest of the cycle.

See chaos warp for reference. This effect is nothing new for red.

So many combotastic choices. This year really makes me want to play EDH. 4 color commanders just might be the tipping point to get me into the game.

Here's a crazy thought with this

Exile 2 of your own token creatures.

It doesn't say anything about "nontoken" nor "target opponment controls."

It isnt that crazy is what people have been doing with polymorph effects for ages.

Given the increase of printing of Indestructible as an ability I guess I am ok with this type of thing in red. It makes sense to go away from bury effects and do more exile based removal especially in this case where red in commander, burn removal is harder to make function.

I can hear MaRo turning over in his office chair right now.

I thought Red wasn't supposed to get these. Chaos Warp was stated multiples times to be a color pie break and a mistake.

^It's not Polymorph that MaRo wants to see outside of Red. It's enchantment removal.

http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/132781355218/is-polymorph-possible-in-red

Turn 2: Kor Partner
Turn 3: Merfolk Partner
Turn 4: Exile Both with Red Spell into Deadeye Palinchron infinite mana

Use Partner to put rest of deck in hand and all lands in play.

So the people that whined and cried about blue getting exile spells to more properly and flavorfully depict polymorph effects are going to be as whiny and vocal about red getting one now too right? Or is it only bad because blue?

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Here's a crazy thought with this

Exile 2 of your own token creatures.

It doesn't say anything about "nontoken" nor "target opponment controls."

& that's why I really, really like this card. Turns all of my saprolings into Eldrazi.

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So the people that whined and cried about blue getting exile spells to more properly and flavorfully depict polymorph effects are going to be as whiny and vocal about red getting one now too right? Or is it only bad because blue?

To be fair, blue gets to do whatever it wants to, whilst red is relegated to sitting in the corner and eating glue.

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So the people that whined and cried about blue getting exile spells to more properly and flavorfully depict polymorph effects are going to be as whiny and vocal about red getting one now too right? Or is it only bad because blue?

To be fair, blue gets to do whatever it wants to, whilst red is relegated to sitting in the corner and eating glue.

Either it's ok for all or it's ok for none.

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See chaos warp for reference. This effect is nothing new for red.

MaRo keeps telling us Chaos Warp was a mistake. Maybe he should impress that more on his supplemental set designers...

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So the people that whined and cried about blue getting exile spells to more properly and flavorfully depict polymorph effects are going to be as whiny and vocal about red getting one now too right? Or is it only bad because blue?

I think under the current color pie/"what colors get to do" philosophy, both cards are cheats, yes

But this is still worse in blue because they need to do a better job of broadening red's pie than they have been doing. Not so with blue

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So the people that whined and cried about blue getting exile spells to more properly and flavorfully depict polymorph effects are going to be as whiny and vocal about red getting one now too right? Or is it only bad because blue?

As MaRo himself says, Blue's weakness is that it's supposed to be reactive on answering threats. It's okay for Red because its weakness is Enchantments. It's not okay for Blue because Blue is not supposed to permanently answer threats that easily.

Doubt people would complain about Pongify if it was an Enchantment and, thus, answerable.

Oh look, red steals from blue AGAIN.

I'm so shocked.

They should just get it over with and merge them into purple already

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So the people that whined and cried about blue getting exile spells to more properly and flavorfully depict polymorph effects are going to be as whiny and vocal about red getting one now too right? Or is it only bad because blue?

As MaRo himself says, Blue's weakness is that it's supposed to be reactive on answering threats. It's okay for Red because its weakness is Enchantments. It's not okay for Blue because Blue is not supposed to permanently answer threats that easily.

Doubt people would complain about Pongify if it was an Enchantment and, thus, answerable.

"Permanently answer"
>They get a creature to replace their creature

Red is the new Blue. What is left for red to steal from Blue?