I'm wondering if the Guardian of the Great Conduit would be playable in Nissa heavy decks (Tokens) if we didn't already have Sylvan Advocate? 4/4 Vigilance, Reach for 4 is pretty decent.
So Tezzeret is likely either Dimir or Esper in nature.
Tezz will be u/b or just black. If Mr Whiskers gets a card it will be w/g or mono white. No reason for Tezz to be esper and that would mean 6 white walkers in standard at once, which seems like a pretty heavy and unlikely imbalance
The reason Tamiyo was tri-colour was because she was the 6th walker. Since we are getting 6 walkers again, one of them must be tri-coloured. Unless MaRo's story about Tamiyo was complete bunk.
You just said tezz and ajani will not be tri colour, but then said since we are getting 6 walkers one of them is gonna be tri-color. Unless I misunderstood you.
Meanwhile, I'm just sad that we aren't getting Kaladesh versions of the other eight taplands.
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Anyone else notice the templating on the Planeswalker search spells are different? One says "library and/or graveyard ... if you search your library, shuffle it" and the other says "library and graveyard ... then shuffle your library." Who's responsible for this?
EDIT: Yep, this was discussed earlier and there's actually a good reason for it.
This points to either Liliana being in Aether Revolt (not likely IMO) or Tezzeret has to be at least partly Black.
The promo art we've seen makes it likely that the other PW in Aether Revolt will be at least partly White.
So Tezzeret is likely either Dimir or Esper in nature.
Just feels better with him being strictly Dimir. Especially if we really do end up getting Ajani next set, that's a lot of white. I can see him being Naya if necessary though (ala why Tamiyo was forced into Bant).
Makes more sense to keep Tezzeret Dimir and Ajani Naya. Why force Tezzeret into a 3rd color, Ajani has shown he is a lot closer to red then Tezzeret is to white (heck Tezzeret is closer to red then white).
I seem to remember seeing somewhere that ajani would not be red aligned anymore, but can't seem to find it anymore. Does anyone else remember seeing this or am I crazy?
Anyone else notice the templating on the Planeswalker search spells are different? One says "library and/or graveyard ... if you search your library, shuffle it" and the other says "library and graveyard ... then shuffle your library." Who's responsible for this?
That was discussed earlier in the thread. It's how it should be.
This points to either Liliana being in Aether Revolt (not likely IMO) or Tezzeret has to be at least partly Black.
The promo art we've seen makes it likely that the other PW in Aether Revolt will be at least partly White.
So Tezzeret is likely either Dimir or Esper in nature.
Just feels better with him being strictly Dimir. Especially if we really do end up getting Ajani next set, that's a lot of white. I can see him being Naya if necessary though (ala why Tamiyo was forced into Bant).
Makes more sense to keep Tezzeret Dimir and Ajani Naya. Why force Tezzeret into a 3rd color, Ajani has shown he is a lot closer to red then Tezzeret is to white (heck Tezzeret is closer to red then white).
I seem to remember seeing somewhere that ajani would not be red aligned anymore, but can't seem to find it anymore. Does anyone else remember seeing this or am I crazy?
I've seen it said that they like him in GW, but I haven't seen anyone say no red.
I understand it probably wont happen, but what keeps Tezzy from being Grixis?
We have Nicol Bolas next block, seems really weird to have two Grixis in a row. And Bolas is very solidly Grixis. Hard to imagine him going to four colors or any other tricolor.
Dovin is okay with what has been spoiled so far. The other two PWs have a deck that can fit them into it. He does not (Gideon just does so much more for you) without removing some tempo.
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You just said tezz and ajani will not be tri colour, but then said since we are getting 6 walkers one of them is gonna be tri-color. Unless I misunderstood you.
I believe tezz will be UB and ajani Naya.
I said no such thing. There is a quote block that was unattributed (because I accidentally deleted the attribution and didn't want to go back for it) but nothing in that quote block was me.
I think it's unlikely that they would print Tezzeret or Ajani as tri-colour. However there must be a tri-colour in this block or their story about Tamiyo is utter bunk.
I think Dimir Tezz and Naya Ajani makes the most sense - assuming we get both Tezz and Ajani this block. Ajani is actually from Naya - that's his home plane (demi-plane?), so that is totally fine even if he isn't super rage angry anymore. (Ajani Vengeant was always my favourite Planeswalker)
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What happens when bomat courier exiles eternal scourge ? Is it still exiled face down if you could actually play it from exile, otherwise how would you know?
What bothers me is liberating combustion says "and/or" while verdant crescendo just says "and". So I can get two Nissas but only one Chandra.
You can't get two Nissas. You search both zones but you only have permission to get a single Nissa.
The reason Liberating Combustion says and/or is so you don't have to shuffle your library if you already see your Chandra in your graveyard and just pick her up from there. Verdant Crescendo makes you search your library regardless (for the land), so to save space they just have you search both zones.
What if Nissa is in your graveyard? Are you forced then to return her to your hand? You wouldn't be with Chandra because it says "may".
"May search," not "may return to your hand." You don't usually have to find something you search for.
Meanwhile, I'm just sad that we aren't getting Kaladesh versions of the other eight taplands.
We'll get two more in Aether Revolt. Because they are putting the taplands into the planeswalker decks to keep them always standard legal without having to devote space in the set itself to them. Likely UB and GW if the Tezzeret/Ajani theories are to be believed.
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What if Nissa is in your graveyard? Are you forced then to return her to your hand? You wouldn't be with Chandra because it says "may".
When you search you do not have to find. You could search and miss something (intentionally or not intentionally).
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Maybe I'm wrong. The rules don't actually cover this case. The rules only say you can fail to find in a hidden zone;
(Note - they "only say you can fail" not "they say you can only fail". The placement of the 'only' is deliberate. This leaves the rule open to a grey area that may vary from Judge to Judge.)
701.15a To search for a card in a zone, look at all cards in that zone (even if it’s a hidden zone) and
find a card that matches the given description.
701.15b If a player is searching a hidden zone for cards with a stated quality, such as a card with a
certain card type or color, that player isn’t required to find some or all of those cards even if
they’re present in that zone.
I'm not a Judge - but I'd interpret this as you have to find it unless it's in a hidden zone. Then you can fail to find it even if it is present.
With Chandra, you can opt not to search your graveyard (and/or) and thus not put her into your hand.
You just said tezz and ajani will not be tri colour, but then said since we are getting 6 walkers one of them is gonna be tri-color. Unless I misunderstood you.
I believe tezz will be UB and ajani Naya.
I said no such thing. There is a quote block that was unattributed (because I accidentally deleted the attribution and didn't want to go back for it) but nothing in that quote block was me.
I think it's unlikely that they would print Tezzeret or Ajani as tri-colour. However there must be a tri-colour in this block or their story about Tamiyo is utter bunk.
I think Dimir Tezz and Naya Ajani makes the most sense - assuming we get both Tezz and Ajani this block. Ajani is actually from Naya - that's his home plane (demi-plane?), so that is totally fine even if he isn't super rage angry anymore. (Ajani Vengeant was always my favourite Planeswalker)
I'm expecting an explanation that involves reasoning on why Tamiyo had to be Bant, yet Tezzeret and Ajani don't have to be Esper/Naya. Probably involving the next block, given that the way they look at standard isn't quite that strict. Plus there isn't another Selesnya to compete with or Dimir, both of those colors haven't been seen since Theros. Tamiyo as either pure Blue is competing with Jace, Azorius with Dovin (though I suppose Dovin could have been Bant instead, but a characters introduction being tricolor seems unlikely), and Simic with Kiora in the last block. More overlap than what Tezzeret and Ajani will probably be doing.
Could also be they plan on bumping the average up to six for some reason, it is odd that twice in a row we'd get six Planeswalkers. But I still think that if five is the average then the fact Amonkhet has (in all likelihood) a guaranteed tricolor Planeswalker meant they bent the averages a bit here.
I'm expecting an explanation that involves reasoning on why Tamiyo had to be Bant, yet Tezzeret and Ajani don't have to be Esper/Naya. Probably involving the next block, given that the way they look at standard isn't quite that strict. Plus there isn't another Selesnya to compete with or Dimir, both of those colors haven't been seen since Theros. Tamiyo as either pure Blue is competing with Jace, Azorius with Dovin (though I suppose Dovin could have been Bant instead, but a characters introduction being tricolor seems unlikely), and Simic with Kiora in the last block. More overlap than what Tezzeret and Ajani will probably be doing.
Could also be they plan on bumping the average up to six for some reason, it is odd that twice in a row we'd get six Planeswalkers. But I still think that if five is the average then the fact Amonkhet has (in all likelihood) a guaranteed tricolor Planeswalker meant they bent the averages a bit here.
Right - because of Bolas I expect next block to also have 6. Which kind of skews the idea that blocks normally contain 5 (which is what MaRo indicated)
That said - I was just posting in another thread how if Tezzeret is Dimir and Ajani is Selesnya we will have a perfect pairing of planeswalker decks. That would make the 4 decks for this block RW, GU, UB and GW. Every colour represented at last once and no colour represented thrice.
Some people have been saying that they may backtrack and print a first-set planeswalker for a second-set deck. A Dovin deck blocks both Ajani and Tezzeret and Saheeli blocks a Tezzeret deck. So if they were to give Saheeli a deck then Tezzeret is more likely to be 3 colours.
Now that said - it doesn't mean that one of them won't be tri-coloured. They might be tri-coloured in the set and dual coloured for the planeswalker deck, come to think of it. (I just realised that now after typing all the above *sigh* I thought the above wold be proof that neither was tri-coloured, but that's not actually the case.)
IT's also possible that the Planeswalker decks completely shatter the '5 planeswalkers' model that they used for SOI. Maybe the planeswalker design and colour balance model shifted since Shaddows over Innistrad was being developed.
This is a completely separate thought train so I'm making a new post.
If the 4 decks for this set are RW, GU, UB and GW then we know the colours for 3 planeswalker decks for Amonkhet. WU, BR and RG. The reason is because allied taplands rotate out with BFZ and so they MUST reprint any that are not present in this block in the next block.
It's funny how you can predict what Wizards will do based on constraints needed for Standard.
If Dovin gets a deck for some reason it will still be whichever 3 or 4 allied colours are not seen in Aether Revolt.
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I'm expecting an explanation that involves reasoning on why Tamiyo had to be Bant, yet Tezzeret and Ajani don't have to be Esper/Naya. Probably involving the next block, given that the way they look at standard isn't quite that strict. Plus there isn't another Selesnya to compete with or Dimir, both of those colors haven't been seen since Theros. Tamiyo as either pure Blue is competing with Jace, Azorius with Dovin (though I suppose Dovin could have been Bant instead, but a characters introduction being tricolor seems unlikely), and Simic with Kiora in the last block. More overlap than what Tezzeret and Ajani will probably be doing.
Could also be they plan on bumping the average up to six for some reason, it is odd that twice in a row we'd get six Planeswalkers. But I still think that if five is the average then the fact Amonkhet has (in all likelihood) a guaranteed tricolor Planeswalker meant they bent the averages a bit here.
Right - because of Bolas I expect next block to also have 6. Which kind of skews the idea that blocks normally contain 5 (which is what MaRo indicated)
That said - I was just posting in another thread how if Tezzeret is Dimir and Ajani is Selesnya we will have a perfect pairing of planeswalker decks. That would make the 4 decks for this block RW, GU, UB and GW. Every colour represented at last once and no colour represented thrice.
Some people have been saying that they may backtrack and print a first-set planeswalker for a second-set deck. A Dovin deck blocks both Ajani and Tezzeret and Saheeli blocks a Tezzeret deck. So if they were to give Saheeli a deck then Tezzeret is more likely to be 3 colours.
Now that said - it doesn't mean that one of them won't be tri-coloured. They might be tri-coloured in the set and dual coloured for the planeswalker deck, come to think of it. (I just realised that now after typing all the above *sigh* I thought the above wold be proof that neither was tri-coloured, but that's not actually the case.)
IT's also possible that the Planeswalker decks completely shatter the '5 planeswalkers' model that they used for SOI. Maybe the planeswalker design and colour balance model shifted since Shaddows over Innistrad was being developed.
Well, I was proposing Bolas in the next block to mean that they could fit six bi/monocolor Planeswalkers here without it interfering with the average overall, which would still be fine to me. I kind of doubt it in some ways, but at the same time I'm trying to think of a way to have it work without three blocks of six Planeswalkers apiece. If that's how they balance it things are kind of iffy, but it makes sense. But yeah, I'm thinking either six is the new norm (or a very weird outlier currently), or Bolas skewed the balance a bit so they were fine with six here, five in the next.
Or, though I hope not, we only have one next block. But I doubt that very much. I think if six is the new norm they'll tell us with Aether Revolt. I believe Maro indicated at one point to wait for the next block before asking about Planeswalkers. Kind of hoping they bumped things up to six on average because of the Gatewatch.
What happens when bomat courier exiles eternal scourge ? Is it still exiled face down if you could actually play it from exile, otherwise how would you know?
I dont think you can cast it if its exiled face down. sorry
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I love that Scrounger, it's absurdely hard to kill and cheap to reanimate, I believe Delirium decks may want to give it a spin.
The 4-damage instant for 4 mana is a solid card for Limited, not bad at all.
Dovin Baan is definitely good, between him and Cloudskater UW Control seems promising, I'm pretty sure Dovin will see serious play. What's not to like about him? Maybe a bit of a low loyalty start, but the -3/-0 plus ability lockdown should keep him relatively safe.
Ok, after seeing the Planeswalker Deck exclusives, I am definitely getting them as each of them contain cards useful for commander, and the alternate art land are gorgeous.
Yeah, these are GOOD, the lands especially.
Flame Lash looked familiar...then I realized (I started playing with Mirage, fully with Tempest :-))
Well, that means dual Lightning Blasts for the commander burn deck.... >.<
Seriously though, the commons are pretty Meh for commander, but the rest are great.
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You just said tezz and ajani will not be tri colour, but then said since we are getting 6 walkers one of them is gonna be tri-color. Unless I misunderstood you.
I believe tezz will be UB and ajani Naya.
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EDIT: Yep, this was discussed earlier and there's actually a good reason for it.
I seem to remember seeing somewhere that ajani would not be red aligned anymore, but can't seem to find it anymore. Does anyone else remember seeing this or am I crazy?
Still trying to figure out if vehicles will be a thing. Dovin is a strike against that.
We have Nicol Bolas next block, seems really weird to have two Grixis in a row. And Bolas is very solidly Grixis. Hard to imagine him going to four colors or any other tricolor.
I said no such thing. There is a quote block that was unattributed (because I accidentally deleted the attribution and didn't want to go back for it) but nothing in that quote block was me.
I think it's unlikely that they would print Tezzeret or Ajani as tri-colour. However there must be a tri-colour in this block or their story about Tamiyo is utter bunk.
I think Dimir Tezz and Naya Ajani makes the most sense - assuming we get both Tezz and Ajani this block. Ajani is actually from Naya - that's his home plane (demi-plane?), so that is totally fine even if he isn't super rage angry anymore. (Ajani Vengeant was always my favourite Planeswalker)
We'll get two more in Aether Revolt. Because they are putting the taplands into the planeswalker decks to keep them always standard legal without having to devote space in the set itself to them. Likely UB and GW if the Tezzeret/Ajani theories are to be believed.
When you search you do not have to find. You could search and miss something (intentionally or not intentionally).
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Maybe I'm wrong. The rules don't actually cover this case. The rules only say you can fail to find in a hidden zone;
(Note - they "only say you can fail" not "they say you can only fail". The placement of the 'only' is deliberate. This leaves the rule open to a grey area that may vary from Judge to Judge.)
I'm not a Judge - but I'd interpret this as you have to find it unless it's in a hidden zone. Then you can fail to find it even if it is present.
With Chandra, you can opt not to search your graveyard (and/or) and thus not put her into your hand.
I'm expecting an explanation that involves reasoning on why Tamiyo had to be Bant, yet Tezzeret and Ajani don't have to be Esper/Naya. Probably involving the next block, given that the way they look at standard isn't quite that strict. Plus there isn't another Selesnya to compete with or Dimir, both of those colors haven't been seen since Theros. Tamiyo as either pure Blue is competing with Jace, Azorius with Dovin (though I suppose Dovin could have been Bant instead, but a characters introduction being tricolor seems unlikely), and Simic with Kiora in the last block. More overlap than what Tezzeret and Ajani will probably be doing.
Could also be they plan on bumping the average up to six for some reason, it is odd that twice in a row we'd get six Planeswalkers. But I still think that if five is the average then the fact Amonkhet has (in all likelihood) a guaranteed tricolor Planeswalker meant they bent the averages a bit here.
Right - because of Bolas I expect next block to also have 6. Which kind of skews the idea that blocks normally contain 5 (which is what MaRo indicated)
That said - I was just posting in another thread how if Tezzeret is Dimir and Ajani is Selesnya we will have a perfect pairing of planeswalker decks. That would make the 4 decks for this block RW, GU, UB and GW. Every colour represented at last once and no colour represented thrice.
Some people have been saying that they may backtrack and print a first-set planeswalker for a second-set deck. A Dovin deck blocks both Ajani and Tezzeret and Saheeli blocks a Tezzeret deck. So if they were to give Saheeli a deck then Tezzeret is more likely to be 3 colours.
Now that said - it doesn't mean that one of them won't be tri-coloured. They might be tri-coloured in the set and dual coloured for the planeswalker deck, come to think of it. (I just realised that now after typing all the above *sigh* I thought the above wold be proof that neither was tri-coloured, but that's not actually the case.)
IT's also possible that the Planeswalker decks completely shatter the '5 planeswalkers' model that they used for SOI. Maybe the planeswalker design and colour balance model shifted since Shaddows over Innistrad was being developed.
That being said, solid Walker for sure!
If the 4 decks for this set are RW, GU, UB and GW then we know the colours for 3 planeswalker decks for Amonkhet. WU, BR and RG. The reason is because allied taplands rotate out with BFZ and so they MUST reprint any that are not present in this block in the next block.
It's funny how you can predict what Wizards will do based on constraints needed for Standard.
If Dovin gets a deck for some reason it will still be whichever 3 or 4 allied colours are not seen in Aether Revolt.
Well, I was proposing Bolas in the next block to mean that they could fit six bi/monocolor Planeswalkers here without it interfering with the average overall, which would still be fine to me. I kind of doubt it in some ways, but at the same time I'm trying to think of a way to have it work without three blocks of six Planeswalkers apiece. If that's how they balance it things are kind of iffy, but it makes sense. But yeah, I'm thinking either six is the new norm (or a very weird outlier currently), or Bolas skewed the balance a bit so they were fine with six here, five in the next.
Or, though I hope not, we only have one next block. But I doubt that very much. I think if six is the new norm they'll tell us with Aether Revolt. I believe Maro indicated at one point to wait for the next block before asking about Planeswalkers. Kind of hoping they bumped things up to six on average because of the Gatewatch.
Could have been way way more inspiring, as it is, kind of a "filler" and seems unnecessary (like removing him wouldnt make any difference).
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I dont think you can cast it if its exiled face down. sorry
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The 4-damage instant for 4 mana is a solid card for Limited, not bad at all.
Dovin Baan is definitely good, between him and Cloudskater UW Control seems promising, I'm pretty sure Dovin will see serious play. What's not to like about him? Maybe a bit of a low loyalty start, but the -3/-0 plus ability lockdown should keep him relatively safe.
Well, that means dual Lightning Blasts for the commander burn deck.... >.<
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