Also, how about that flavor of Dovin's -1, it's him murdering a Filigree Familiar.
Dammit, now I have this mental image of Dovin casually snapping a robopuppy's neck.
And that makes me feel tingly inside.
Like, he's in the middle of a conversation, and he doesn't even pause or stop talking as he nonchalantly picks up a Filigree Familiar, snaps its neck, and tosses its limp form aside.
I think it is highly unlikely that either of the two planeswalkers in Aether Revolt will be three colors, if only because the Planeswalker Decks are supposed to be meant for new players and are, as far as I know, not supposed to be more or less than two colors. My theory is that we will get either a mono-black or a Dimir Tezzeret, and a mono-white or possibly Selesnya Ajani. That would fit with past flavor for the characters, and it would allow WotC to print two Planeswalker Decks for Aether Revolt without going into tri-color territory for the new players.
I think it is highly unlikely that either of the two planeswalkers in Aether Revolt will be three colors, if only because the Planeswalker Decks are supposed to be meant for new players and are, as far as I know, not supposed to be more or less than two colors. My theory is that we will get either a mono-black or a Dimir Tezzeret, and a mono-white or possibly Selesnya Ajani. That would fit with past flavor for the characters, and it would allow WotC to print two Planeswalker Decks for Aether Revolt without going into tri-color territory for the new players.
Just my two cents.
Planeswalker deck Planeswalkers are different from the Main Set versions of those Planeswalkers and thus can be fewer or more colors.
Very true. I would think that WotC would want to keep them as close to the main versions as possible to avoid confusion, but your point still stands. We will see, I suppose.
This is a completely separate thought train so I'm making a new post.
If the 4 decks for this set are RW, GU, UB and GW then we know the colours for 3 planeswalker decks for Amonkhet. WU, BR and RG. The reason is because allied taplands rotate out with BFZ and so they MUST reprint any that are not present in this block in the next block.
It's funny how you can predict what Wizards will do based on constraints needed for Standard.
Nope: they can just say they're legal, and maybe help their distribution and vary their art by putting them into the Deckbuilder's toolkit or in the Bundle. MaRo said that once on Blogatog, I can't find the quotation now but I'm sure he said something like "we can just say they're legal" to a precise question on this very topic. Nevertheless, it's likely we'll see them from time to time alternating in the following sets...
So, the Kaladesh PW decks are effectively Planemon: Fire Red and Leaf Green? Now we need a blue Gatewatch themed around water.
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
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So, the Kaladesh PW decks are effectively Planemon: Fire Red and Leaf Green? Now we need a blue Gatewatch themed around water.
Then later we can have Ral Zarek join the Gatewatch for the Yellow Edition...
On a more serious note, has it been confirmed anywhere that we are getting 6 planeswalkers in the Kaladesh block? I agree that it is likely (because there are 4 in Kaladesh), but so far as I've heard, Tezzeret is the only planeswalker who seems certain to appear in Aether Revolt. (If people are assuming Ajani, it seems far more likely for him to get a card in Amonkhet than in Aether Revolt, even if the character does appear in the tie-ins for Aether Revolt.)
I'm honestly amazed Baan is WU instead of straight U. I mean, the difference between Venser, Narset, and this guy in terms of lore and personality is...huge. He also, surprisingly, has strong draw and control abilities.
On a more serious note, has it been confirmed anywhere that we are getting 6 planeswalkers in the Kaladesh block? I agree that it is likely (because there are 4 in Kaladesh), but so far as I've heard, Tezzeret is the only planeswalker who seems certain to appear in Aether Revolt. (If people are assuming Ajani, it seems far more likely for him to get a card in Amonkhet than in Aether Revolt, even if the character does appear in the tie-ins for Aether Revolt.)
I'm all for Ajani appearing in Amonkhet. They've got to have a Cat deity in that set, and ideally a race of catfolk to match.
I'm honestly amazed Baan is WU instead of straight U. I mean, the difference between Venser, Narset, and this guy in terms of lore and personality is...huge. He also, surprisingly, has strong draw and control abilities.
Not every character with the same color combination has the same personality. Dovin's very concerned about rules and safety, he screams WU (or would if he was prone to such vulgar histrionics).
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
PSA to everyone who keeps forgetting about the Reserved List:
You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
I'm honestly amazed Baan is WU instead of straight U. I mean, the difference between Venser, Narset, and this guy in terms of lore and personality is...huge. He also, surprisingly, has strong draw and control abilities.
The color pie has a lot of depth. Though Dovin seems very U on the WU scale, which is part of it.
The vanilla 3/2 for 1G is in my opinion one of the more important spoilers in this group... Upending the established "bear" with an additional power shows that creature power creep relative to older sets isn't just relegated to more eclectic cards - it's ingrained in the game's current design.
MaRo is known for speaking in hypotheticals on things he never intends to actually do. That suggesting goes against established trends for Standard and it is far, far more likely that they'll have all different decks in Standard at any given time - especially since then that way Wizards doesn't leave out anyone's favourite colour combination.
He's just trying to seed doubt on people (like me) who can plan and predict Wizard's actions.
They could just as easily stop printing Gatewatch characters and just say that the most recent 5 (Chandra, Torch of Defiance, Nissa from Kaladesh, Jace from SOI, Lilli from EMN and Gideon from BFZ) will not rotate out until a new one is printed - that frees them up to do whatever planeswalkers they want in any given set. However they are even more unlikely to do that.
The vanilla 3/2 for 1G is in my opinion one of the more important spoilers in this group... Upending the established "bear" with an additional power shows that creature power creep relative to older sets isn't just relegated to more eclectic cards - it's ingrained in the game's current design.
I noticed that too. I remember when Nessian Courser was an OMG 3/3 for 3? With no drawbacks!? What power! Now not only do we see vanilla 3/3s for 3 all over (Nessian itself was Reprinted in Theros) but we also have Strictly better 3/3s for 3
3/2 for 2 is pretty decent. However, not really useful until Sylvan Advocate rotates out.
MaRo is known for speaking in hypotheticals on things he never intends to actually do. That suggesting goes against established trends for Standard and it is far, far more likely that they'll have all different decks in Standard at any given time - especially since then that way Wizards doesn't leave out anyone's favourite colour combination.
He's just trying to seed doubt on people (like me) who can plan and predict Wizard's actions.
They could just as easily stop printing Gatewatch characters and just say that the most recent 5 (Chandra, Torch of Defiance, Nissa from Kaladesh, Jace from SOI, Lilli from EMN and Gideon from BFZ) will not rotate out until a new one is printed - that frees them up to do whatever planeswalkers they want in any given set. However they are even more unlikely to do that.
Well, I mean...if the next Planeswalker decks are as you say, then come Amonkhet, exactly one of the ETBT tapped lands will be out of Standard for 3 months. Which would sort of defeat the point?
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Well, I mean...if the next Planeswalker decks are as you say, then come Amonkhet, exactly one of the ETBT tapped lands will be out of Standard for 3 months. Which would sort of defeat the point?
Ah, that's a fair point. Good catch! I concede.
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Not in standard unless you run a g/w base with oath of nissa. Even if you don't there's tamiyo that's bug, this guy, nissa, Gideon, jace, and kiora. Maybe a new take on super friends? A bug variant maybe instead of 5 color?
Holy hell the Scrounger looks incredible for my Delirium deck. I was looking for a good HBW replacement and between this guy and Filigree Familiar in the SB, I think I've found one. Plus, how about this:
T1: Evolving Wilds
T2: Grapple, binning the Scrounger, a creature, and another card, recurring the Wilds or the other card if possible. Delirium is active.
T3: Gnarlwood Dryad, exile the creature, return the Scrounger. You now have a 3/3 deathtouch and a 3/2 on turn 3, with potentially more delirious threats in your hand.
I might be missing something. When you return the Scrounger you no longer have delirium. It looks like you have an instant and one unspecified 'other card'. That is in by no means enough for delirium.
Delirium 'turns off' if you no longer meet the requirements. You may not have realised that.
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I'm honestly amazed Baan is WU instead of straight U. I mean, the difference between Venser, Narset, and this guy in terms of lore and personality is...huge. He also, surprisingly, has strong draw and control abilities.
Not every character with the same color combination has the same personality. Dovin's very concerned about rules and safety, he screams WU (or would if he was prone to such vulgar histrionics).
Agreed. Dovin seems to be U/W in that very lawful-good Azorius sense that is all about rules and procedures which are ultimately for the public good, as opposed to planeswalkers like Narset and Venser, one of whom is a good-aligned mystic while the other is a good-aligned artificer, who (in my estimation) float somewhere between neutral-good and chaotic-good.
What happens when bomat courier exiles eternal scourge ? Is it still exiled face down if you could actually play it from exile, otherwise how would you know?
I dont think you can cast it if its exiled face down. sorry
This is correct. Cards that are face-down in exile have no characteristics, one characteristic being a mana cost, and cards without a mana cost can't be cast.
406.3. Exiled cards are, by default, kept face up and may be examined by any player at any time. Cards "exiled face down" can't be examined by any player except when instructions allow it. A card exiled face down has no characteristics, but the spell or ability that exiled it may allow it to be cast from exile. Unless that card is being cast face down (see rule 707.4), the card is turned face up just before the player announces that he or she is casting the spell (see rule 601.2).
109.3. An object's characteristics are name, mana cost, color, color indicator, card type, subtype, supertype, expansion symbol, rules text, abilities, power, toughness, loyalty, hand modifier, and life modifier. Objects can have some or all of these characteristics. Any other information about an object isn't a characteristic. For example, characteristics don't include whether a permanent is tapped, a spell's target, an object's owner or controller, what an Aura enchants, and so on.
So the only way to cast Eternal Scourge while face-down in exile is if you exiled it with someone like Praetor's Grasp that explicitly allows you to cast it in this state. It's generally agreed that there are better things to get with Praetor's Grasp.
This has to be the most generic set of abilities on a Planeswalker ever.
He can generate plenty of value, likely by putting your opponent to sleep with his uninspired tricks.
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Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
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The Mimeoplasm WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
This has to be the most generic set of abilities on a Planeswalker ever.
He can generate plenty of value, likely by putting your opponent to sleep with his uninspired tricks.
He's not super flashy, but I don't think it's great if every Planeswalker is super flashy. Dovin as a solid but not flashy Planeswalker fits. Though I was kind of wanting him to do something with Energy myself. Really want to like the mechanic but nothing in my colors really is clicking for me.
Yeah. I'm not sure how you represent "flaw analysis", but it seems like it should be a bit different. The first kind of looks like that, and the ultimate even less, but I can't really find any flaw analysis explanation of heal and draw life. Maybe it's fixing your own flaws?
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Just my two cents.
Planeswalker deck Planeswalkers are different from the Main Set versions of those Planeswalkers and thus can be fewer or more colors.
http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/144762808043/so-how-will-you-keep-those-basic-taplands
There's the post.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
Then later we can have Ral Zarek join the Gatewatch for the Yellow Edition...
On a more serious note, has it been confirmed anywhere that we are getting 6 planeswalkers in the Kaladesh block? I agree that it is likely (because there are 4 in Kaladesh), but so far as I've heard, Tezzeret is the only planeswalker who seems certain to appear in Aether Revolt. (If people are assuming Ajani, it seems far more likely for him to get a card in Amonkhet than in Aether Revolt, even if the character does appear in the tie-ins for Aether Revolt.)
I C WUT U DID THAR But wouldn't he be a good candidate for the Gold version?
I'm all for Ajani appearing in Amonkhet. They've got to have a Cat deity in that set, and ideally a race of catfolk to match.
Not every character with the same color combination has the same personality. Dovin's very concerned about rules and safety, he screams WU (or would if he was prone to such vulgar histrionics).
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
The color pie has a lot of depth. Though Dovin seems very U on the WU scale, which is part of it.
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MaRo is known for speaking in hypotheticals on things he never intends to actually do. That suggesting goes against established trends for Standard and it is far, far more likely that they'll have all different decks in Standard at any given time - especially since then that way Wizards doesn't leave out anyone's favourite colour combination.
He's just trying to seed doubt on people (like me) who can plan and predict Wizard's actions.
They could just as easily stop printing Gatewatch characters and just say that the most recent 5 (Chandra, Torch of Defiance, Nissa from Kaladesh, Jace from SOI, Lilli from EMN and Gideon from BFZ) will not rotate out until a new one is printed - that frees them up to do whatever planeswalkers they want in any given set. However they are even more unlikely to do that.
I noticed that too. I remember when Nessian Courser was an OMG 3/3 for 3? With no drawbacks!? What power! Now not only do we see vanilla 3/3s for 3 all over (Nessian itself was Reprinted in Theros) but we also have Strictly better 3/3s for 3
3/2 for 2 is pretty decent. However, not really useful until Sylvan Advocate rotates out.
Well, I mean...if the next Planeswalker decks are as you say, then come Amonkhet, exactly one of the ETBT tapped lands will be out of Standard for 3 months. Which would sort of defeat the point?
Ah, that's a fair point. Good catch! I concede.
I might be missing something. When you return the Scrounger you no longer have delirium. It looks like you have an instant and one unspecified 'other card'. That is in by no means enough for delirium.
Delirium 'turns off' if you no longer meet the requirements. You may not have realised that.
Agreed. Dovin seems to be U/W in that very lawful-good Azorius sense that is all about rules and procedures which are ultimately for the public good, as opposed to planeswalkers like Narset and Venser, one of whom is a good-aligned mystic while the other is a good-aligned artificer, who (in my estimation) float somewhere between neutral-good and chaotic-good.
This is correct. Cards that are face-down in exile have no characteristics, one characteristic being a mana cost, and cards without a mana cost can't be cast.
406.3. Exiled cards are, by default, kept face up and may be examined by any player at any time. Cards "exiled face down" can't be examined by any player except when instructions allow it. A card exiled face down has no characteristics, but the spell or ability that exiled it may allow it to be cast from exile. Unless that card is being cast face down (see rule 707.4), the card is turned face up just before the player announces that he or she is casting the spell (see rule 601.2).
109.3. An object's characteristics are name, mana cost, color, color indicator, card type, subtype, supertype, expansion symbol, rules text, abilities, power, toughness, loyalty, hand modifier, and life modifier. Objects can have some or all of these characteristics. Any other information about an object isn't a characteristic. For example, characteristics don't include whether a permanent is tapped, a spell's target, an object's owner or controller, what an Aura enchants, and so on.
So the only way to cast Eternal Scourge while face-down in exile is if you exiled it with someone like Praetor's Grasp that explicitly allows you to cast it in this state. It's generally agreed that there are better things to get with Praetor's Grasp.
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More like Dovin Yawn, amirite?
This has to be the most generic set of abilities on a Planeswalker ever.
He can generate plenty of value, likely by putting your opponent to sleep with his uninspired tricks.
Oh well-
at least he continues the tradition of (W/U) Walkers having some of the most backbreaking ultimates for group games.
His emblem is no Narset Transcendent or Ajani Steadfast,
but it's up there with Jace, Unraveler of Secrets and Tamiyo, the Moon Sage.
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
He's not super flashy, but I don't think it's great if every Planeswalker is super flashy. Dovin as a solid but not flashy Planeswalker fits. Though I was kind of wanting him to do something with Energy myself. Really want to like the mechanic but nothing in my colors really is clicking for me.
My only real complaint is he doesn't feel like he has a theme.
I can agree with that. He doesn't have a theme, he has a set of random on color abilities that check boxes.
Protects self? +1
Card advantage? -1
Crushingly oppressive ultimate (since he IS a control oriented walker)? Yep. Got that too.