Tezzeret will not be Esper, he lacks any white character traits.
Why people insist that character personality is the only thing that that define colors?
Not saying that he will be Esper, but Tezzeret DO have white trait. Order is a white trait, and he cares about it (as long he is the law), If you would put Tezz into D&D world, he could be easily Lawful Evil.
Anyway, I need this nissa.
No, he would be Neutral Evil. Lawful Evil works within the confines of the law at all times, something Tezzeret does not. As I said, Tezzeret only cares about Tezzeret, white cares about others, indeed white caring about others is one of the most central pieces of its color in the color pie.
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Ugh . . . If you had told me this would be the Intro Deck Nissa, id have believed. This could have been 4 Mana without bein 2 strong. Heck even then she wouldnt be as strong as Gideon 4. Reachable Ultimate, but quite weak d:( Booooo !
Good there is still my beloved Nissa, voice of zendikar ^^
Yes Wizards, eat up all the planeswalker slots on the the gatewatch, surely people wont become bored of them!
Not really if you think they are taking up the slots they would have if the core set was still a thing.
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As I said, Tezzeret only cares about Tezzeret, white cares about others, indeed white caring about others is one of the most central pieces of its color in the color pie.
So you're basically saying a selfish, ruthless character could never be even partially white? Well...
For Nissa, I doubt she wil find a home in modern, not sure for standard - might just be too slow.
EDH on the other hand - I'm very tempted to get her for my Marath, but she may be a bit hard to protect for a full turn cycle in multiplayer...
As I said, Tezzeret only cares about Tezzeret, white cares about others, indeed white caring about others is one of the most central pieces of its color in the color pie.
So you're basically saying a selfish, ruthless character could never be even partially white? Well...
For Nissa, I doubt she wil find a home in modern, not sure for standard - might just be too slow.
EDH on the other hand - I'm very tempted to get her for my Marath, but she may be a bit hard to protect for a full turn cycle in multiplayer...
Marchesa does what she thinks is best for Fiora. That is what makes her white aligned. Tezzeret does what is best for Tezzeret. That is the difference.
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No, he would be Neutral Evil. Lawful Evil works within the confines of the law at all times, something Tezzeret does not. As I said, Tezzeret only cares about Tezzeret, white cares about others, indeed white caring about others is one of the most central pieces of its color in the color pie.
Please explain how Ravnica's Orzhov guild cares about others. I'm reasonably sure that when white is combined with black in any fashion it loses the 'cares for other' qualities (most of the time)
I agree with you that I don't think Tezzeret will be white, but not for the reasons you gave. I'd sooner see Dovin be Esper than Tezzeret.
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I stand by my previous statement. White cares about others, Tezzeret cares only about Tezzeret.
Sorin is white and he doesn't care about others. He cared about perserving order and balance in his pet project Innistrad; every life on it and any other plane other than his own was competely inconsequential to him- with the possible exception of Ugin. And he only cared about Ugin because he needed Ugin.
Nahiri is white and her appearance after the Helavault showed her not caring about others either. She wanted justice (revenge) for what was done to her and to hell with everything else. She says so herself in the story where she got her piece of him. Can't help but notice that after she broke out and revisited Zendikar, she didn't stay to help her homeworld. Destroying Sorin's was more important.
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No, he would be Neutral Evil. Lawful Evil works within the confines of the law at all times, something Tezzeret does not. As I said, Tezzeret only cares about Tezzeret, white cares about others, indeed white caring about others is one of the most central pieces of its color in the color pie.
Please explain how Ravnica's Orzhov guild cares about others. I'm reasonably sure that when white is combined with black in any fashion it loses the 'cares for other' qualities (most of the time)
I agree with you that I don't think Tezzeret will be white, but not for the reasons you gave. I'd sooner see Dovin be Esper than Tezzeret.
The Orzhov is modeled after the mob and the catholic church, their members are "family" and follow a strict hierarchy. That is how the Orzhov are white.
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Corner case, and sorry if it's been mentioned already, but "untap target land" is breakable by itself. What if that land is a Cradle or a Sanctum? You could end up paying ~0 for Nissa, or even profit in the right EDH deck.
Good lord. 1 turn ultimate while protecting itself if you're into all that, plus the second copy and beyond let you loop. It wouldn't surprise me if just bashing for 5 every turn was typically better than her other two abilities, but the durdle mage in my soul just wants to grind value off her all day long. Shame we're losing both Nissa's Pilgrimage and Explosive Vegetation as this comes in : /
She's very good. Much better than the previous 5 mana Nissa.
Also it's much more appealing to me, personally, because she's a control deck planeswalker. You jam her into a BG/Abzan control and just gain pure value.
Worldwaker makes permanent land creatures. which is a two edged blade, but still.... the new one also transforms your lands to creatures that can die to sorcery speed removal.
The ramp aspect of Worldwaker that allows you to have 10 mana on turn 6 even without any other ramp is sick, and is a + ability!
the regrowth for -3 is kinda meh in comparison.
Worldwaker's ultimate is also a lot more game ending.
I mean, it might just make 5 or 6 4/4s while ramping your mana and filtering your draws for the rest of the game.
the new one is Horn of Greed on steroids, which is powerful but will only shine in a very specific shell.
In a vacuum, I'd say Worldwaker is a LOT better than Vital Force.
Kiora from BFZ untaps a land and a creature as her +1. And she is U/G
What's your point? Untapping lands has been a Nissa thing before and there's no need to untap a creature when a 5/5 is likely bigger than anything on the board by then. Plus, Kiora is trash, this isn't. This Nissa protects herself, regrows other relevant permanent cards and has access to a relevant ultimate in one turn. This is more of a nightmare to control decks than Nissa, Worldwaker was and that version was already really good against control to begin with.
Worldwaker makes permanent land creatures. which is a two edged blade, but still.... the new one also transforms your lands to creatures that can die to sorcery speed removal.
The ramp aspect of Worldwaker that allows you to have 10 mana on turn 6 even without any other ramp is sick, and is a + ability!
the regrowth for -3 is kinda meh in comparison.
Worldwaker's ultimate is also a lot more game ending.
I mean, it might just make 5 or 6 4/4s while ramping your mana and filtering your draws for the rest of the game.
the new one is Horn of Greed on steroids, which is powerful but will only shine in a very specific shell.
In a vacuum, I'd say Worldwaker is a LOT better than Vital Force.
A lot of points you made were those from a ramp point of view.
I'll say it again. The new Nissa is a control planeswalker and as such she's great and better than Worldwaker.
Regrowth on a PW is great in the current standard and the ease with which she ultimates will make her a 4 of in any control deck with green.
yeah, sure, different cards for different decks.
I just think that there are more green decks where Worldwaker will be better than Vital Force, thus, better on a Vacuum.
Order is a white trait, and he cares about it (as long he is the law),
If a person only cares about the law when it's his law, then he don't actually care about the law. What that person really cares about is other people serving him and doing what he tells them to.
I stand by my previous statement. White cares about others, Tezzeret cares only about Tezzeret.
Sorin is white and he doesn't care about others. He cared about perserving order and balance in his pet project Innistrad; every life on it and any other plane other than his own was competely inconsequential to him- with the possible exception of Ugin. And he only cared about Ugin because he needed Ugin.
Nahiri is white and her appearance after the Helavault showed her not caring about others either. She wanted justice (revenge) for what was done to her and to hell with everything else. She says so herself in the story where she got her piece of him. Can't help but notice that after she broke out and revisited Zendikar, she didn't stay to help her homeworld. Destroying Sorin's was more important.
Community isn't the only thing white cares about.
Sorin does care about others, a lot. That was whole reason he created both Avacyn and the Helvault. Without them humanity would be extinct on Innistrad, having been hunted to extinction by the Vampires his grandfather sired. Heck, you even explain perfectly yourself why he is partially white. He created protectors and a prison to protect the populace of his homeworld, which is a very white reason to do something. He helped contain the Eldrazi in the first place because he knew that they where a multiversal threat and it was only a matter of time they went after Innistrad.
Nahiri was motivated by justice and vengeance, both of which are white concepts, and was red because of her anger and grief from her belief that her homeworld was destroyed by the Eldrazi, thus being motivated by strong emotions (Same reason Ajani Vengeant went after Bolas in Alara: anger over his brothers death). Had anyone actually told Nahiri that Zendikar had been saved, she probably wouldn't have tried to get vengeance on Sorin, and the whole mess could have been avoided.
I kind of like the art. Though she's more suited for the more raw lines of previous iterations, this looks very clean and like Chandra is looking up at her and telling her to look at the camera. #snapchat
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No, he would be Neutral Evil. Lawful Evil works within the confines of the law at all times, something Tezzeret does not. As I said, Tezzeret only cares about Tezzeret, white cares about others, indeed white caring about others is one of the most central pieces of its color in the color pie.
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Good there is still my beloved Nissa, voice of zendikar ^^
Not really if you think they are taking up the slots they would have if the core set was still a thing.
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For Nissa, I doubt she wil find a home in modern, not sure for standard - might just be too slow.
EDH on the other hand - I'm very tempted to get her for my Marath, but she may be a bit hard to protect for a full turn cycle in multiplayer...
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How is two cards out of four (in Kaladesh, potentially six if you count Aether Revolt) eating up all the planeswalker slots?
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Marchesa does what she thinks is best for Fiora. That is what makes her white aligned. Tezzeret does what is best for Tezzeret. That is the difference.
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Please explain how Ravnica's Orzhov guild cares about others. I'm reasonably sure that when white is combined with black in any fashion it loses the 'cares for other' qualities (most of the time)
I agree with you that I don't think Tezzeret will be white, but not for the reasons you gave. I'd sooner see Dovin be Esper than Tezzeret.
Sorin is white and he doesn't care about others. He cared about perserving order and balance in his pet project Innistrad; every life on it and any other plane other than his own was competely inconsequential to him- with the possible exception of Ugin. And he only cared about Ugin because he needed Ugin.
Nahiri is white and her appearance after the Helavault showed her not caring about others either. She wanted justice (revenge) for what was done to her and to hell with everything else. She says so herself in the story where she got her piece of him. Can't help but notice that after she broke out and revisited Zendikar, she didn't stay to help her homeworld. Destroying Sorin's was more important.
Community isn't the only thing white cares about.
She has some serious potential- she starts drawing you gas right as you're running out.
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The Orzhov is modeled after the mob and the catholic church, their members are "family" and follow a strict hierarchy. That is how the Orzhov are white.
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Better than Nissa, Worldwaker?
I doubt it....
Worldwaker makes permanent land creatures. which is a two edged blade, but still.... the new one also transforms your lands to creatures that can die to sorcery speed removal.
The ramp aspect of Worldwaker that allows you to have 10 mana on turn 6 even without any other ramp is sick, and is a + ability!
the regrowth for -3 is kinda meh in comparison.
Worldwaker's ultimate is also a lot more game ending.
I mean, it might just make 5 or 6 4/4s while ramping your mana and filtering your draws for the rest of the game.
the new one is Horn of Greed on steroids, which is powerful but will only shine in a very specific shell.
In a vacuum, I'd say Worldwaker is a LOT better than Vital Force.
What's your point? Untapping lands has been a Nissa thing before and there's no need to untap a creature when a 5/5 is likely bigger than anything on the board by then. Plus, Kiora is trash, this isn't. This Nissa protects herself, regrows other relevant permanent cards and has access to a relevant ultimate in one turn. This is more of a nightmare to control decks than Nissa, Worldwaker was and that version was already really good against control to begin with.
"Kiora is the Aquaman of planeswalkers."
"Useless and everyone pretends to like her?"
yeah, sure, different cards for different decks.
I just think that there are more green decks where Worldwaker will be better than Vital Force, thus, better on a Vacuum.
If a person only cares about the law when it's his law, then he don't actually care about the law. What that person really cares about is other people serving him and doing what he tells them to.
Sorin does care about others, a lot. That was whole reason he created both Avacyn and the Helvault. Without them humanity would be extinct on Innistrad, having been hunted to extinction by the Vampires his grandfather sired. Heck, you even explain perfectly yourself why he is partially white. He created protectors and a prison to protect the populace of his homeworld, which is a very white reason to do something. He helped contain the Eldrazi in the first place because he knew that they where a multiversal threat and it was only a matter of time they went after Innistrad.
Nahiri was motivated by justice and vengeance, both of which are white concepts, and was red because of her anger and grief from her belief that her homeworld was destroyed by the Eldrazi, thus being motivated by strong emotions (Same reason Ajani Vengeant went after Bolas in Alara: anger over his brothers death). Had anyone actually told Nahiri that Zendikar had been saved, she probably wouldn't have tried to get vengeance on Sorin, and the whole mess could have been avoided.
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