I just want to throw in a discussion topic about the new Chandra. I had played RG Titanshift a while and found that the deck lacked a great four drop to really abuse the turn three play. It was to the point where I had played around with the mana base to add Nahiri for consistency and turn three play. Wouldn't this card do what it needs to in an RG Titanshift shell? It digs for the win con, helps cast it on turn four (assuming Primeval Titan), removal spell when you are under pressure, helps cast lightning bolt after you tap out (or Pyroclasm), is a win con herself and generally helps in over-all strategies. At four mana, you will need a control shell to make it work in modern. But as a third turn play, it looks really good to me, especially since you don't have to touch a color to do it!
Am I totally off base? I just remember trying so hard to come up with a four mana card that helps in the cause of the Titanshift gameplay (finding the win-con, dropping a threat). Many players have looked to cards like Obstinate Baloths and Pia and Kia, but this, to me, does a good job of protecting you while providing a dig to find the right card for the win. I just know that I played with Courser of Kurphix and it was good.
Heavy red midrange deck? I'll believe it only when I see it.
Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker started almost as high as Chandra is looking to start. The problem with him was the same, red and midrange cards simply don't work well. The Jeskai decks that wanted to run Sarkhan eventually cut him entirely to get lower to the ground for Goblin Rabblemaster and Mantis Rider.
Red just isn't a strong standalone color and it's very hard to play 3 colors in standard. Anybody that has actually played bant company knows the pain of color screw without fetchlands. I find it funny that the newer versions of the deck run Knight of the White Orchid at the cost of needing WW early as a mana fixer. If only Chandra fixed mana and didn't just give you more R.
So the question here isn't "Is this a good card?" the question is "Do you believe red is going to be awesome all of a sudden?" You can't play RR on turn 4 when splashing, you need an actual red deck.
Modern is a different matter. She might slot nicely into Jund as a 1-2 of. Seems like she is inline with what that deck wants to do. Generate card advantage, remove creatures, grind out the longer game. Like Nahiri she dodges Abrupt Decay so is tricky to remove when ticking up out of bolt range. Unlike Nahiri she doesn't produce a massive swing on the spot with her ultimate.
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Creature - Elf Shaman Bird
Haste : Add GG to your mana pool. : Flip a coin. If you win, draw a card, if you lose, deal 2 damage to target opponent. : Deal 4 to target creatures. 8: on each upkeep, deal 5 damage to target player.
1/1
That little fellow seems busted to me. That's basically what Chandra does.
No, it isn't, but hey I'm sure we can make other planeswalkers seem insane if we just turn them into creatures, shift their color and then make their ability sound a little bit better by summarizing it. Here's my attempt:
Elf guy Transcendent
(No mana cost to make it sound better)
Creature- Elf Sprit Guy
Haste : Flip a coin. If heads Draw a card. : Copy target Instant or Sorcery spell you control 9: Your opponent can't cast Non-Creature spells for the rest of the game.
1/1
It's almost a shame she has 4 abilities, so the text box gets bigger - I absolutely love that artwork (in grave contrast to her planswalker-deck iteration).
They need to stop making obviously pushed planeswalkers. Wherever this one ends up being in terms of meta, and in terms of price, it is still WAY pushed, and should never exist. I'd say the same about Liliana, the Last Hope, Gideon, Ally of Zendikar, and Jace, Vryn's Prodigy.
It's an unsustainable trend to keep making planeswalkers that are this far higher in power level than the rest of the cards in a given set.
They need to stop making obviously pushed planeswalkers. Wherever this one ends up being in terms of meta, and in terms of price, it is still WAY pushed, and should never exist. I'd say the same about Liliana, the Last Hope, Gideon, Ally of Zendikar, and Jace, Vryn's Prodigy.
It's an unsustainable trend to keep making planeswalkers that are this far higher in power level than the rest of the cards in a given set.
Vryn's prodigy was actually a sleeper, everyone thought nissa and liliana and kytheon were the flip walkers to watch.
That little fellow seems busted to me. That's basically what Chandra does.
No, it isn't, but hey I'm sure we can make other planeswalkers seem insane if we just turn them into creatures, shift their color and then make their ability sound a little bit better by summarizing it.
Phew! You masterfully cut-off my post at the correct place. Following it up with parody was brilliant.
My point, of course, was simply that focusing on the PW-ness made debates around her focused on the accepted ideals of PW (immediate CA? immeditae defense while ticking up?) and ignore that she's the most versatile PW in a while. She give cards, mana, burn and a great ultimate.
I think she's at home in a Boros shell. She might be at home in a mid-range RU controllish build, controlling a bit the board or ramping to the finisher. Or RG ramp? getting extra mana or a card to keep going.
They need to stop making obviously pushed planeswalkers. Wherever this one ends up being in terms of meta, and in terms of price, it is still WAY pushed, and should never exist. I'd say the same about Liliana, the Last Hope, Gideon, Ally of Zendikar, and Jace, Vryn's Prodigy.
It's an unsustainable trend to keep making planeswalkers that are this far higher in power level than the rest of the cards in a given set.
Vryn's prodigy was actually a sleeper, everyone thought nissa and liliana and kytheon were the flip walkers to watch.
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I love this Chandra, but there is no way that she is better than Nahiri in Modern. She'll see play in nonwhite red decks, but she isn't going to be seeing plan in Jeskai decks any time soon.
I love this Chandra, but there is no way that she is better than Nahiri in Modern. She'll see play in nonwhite red decks, but she isn't going to be seeing plan in Jeskai decks any time soon.
She is better than Nahiri easily outside of her ultimate. Nahiris ultimate just happens to win the game easier than Chandras and she ticks up quickly. Chandra is better otherwise.
I love this Chandra, but there is no way that she is better than Nahiri in Modern. She'll see play in nonwhite red decks, but she isn't going to be seeing plan in Jeskai decks any time soon.
She is better than Nahiri easily outside of her ultimate. Nahiris ultimate just happens to win the game easier than Chandras and she ticks up quickly. Chandra is better otherwise.
I agree, but the ultimate on Nahiri is just so good that I think that it easily beats out Chandra in red/white decks. Chandra is strong, but she isn't stronger than Emrakul.
I love this Chandra, but there is no way that she is better than Nahiri in Modern. She'll see play in nonwhite red decks, but she isn't going to be seeing plan in Jeskai decks any time soon.
She is better than Nahiri easily outside of her ultimate. Nahiris ultimate just happens to win the game easier than Chandras and she ticks up quickly. Chandra is better otherwise.
I agree, but the ultimate on Nahiri is just so good that I think that it easily beats out Chandra in red/white decks. Chandra is strong, but she isn't stronger than Emrakul.
This new Chandra is pretty, pretty good.
Okay, now that I've voiced a relative comment on topic, I really only posted this because I had to address your signature stating that Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake. Kangee, Aerie Keeper might have something to say about that comparison
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Maybe Chandra's this good because Liliana thought her?
The card furious reprisal and also this maybe sound alarm but Liliana was whispering in Chandra's ear in a picture to hint diabolic tutor for a reprint in kaladash.
(But she better not be trying to bring her to the dark side as well.)
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Am I totally off base? I just remember trying so hard to come up with a four mana card that helps in the cause of the Titanshift gameplay (finding the win-con, dropping a threat). Many players have looked to cards like Obstinate Baloths and Pia and Kia, but this, to me, does a good job of protecting you while providing a dig to find the right card for the win. I just know that I played with Courser of Kurphix and it was good.
Let me know what you guys think!
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Way bigger than people are thinking.
Heavy red midrange deck? I'll believe it only when I see it.
Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker started almost as high as Chandra is looking to start. The problem with him was the same, red and midrange cards simply don't work well. The Jeskai decks that wanted to run Sarkhan eventually cut him entirely to get lower to the ground for Goblin Rabblemaster and Mantis Rider.
Red just isn't a strong standalone color and it's very hard to play 3 colors in standard. Anybody that has actually played bant company knows the pain of color screw without fetchlands. I find it funny that the newer versions of the deck run Knight of the White Orchid at the cost of needing WW early as a mana fixer. If only Chandra fixed mana and didn't just give you more R.
So the question here isn't "Is this a good card?" the question is "Do you believe red is going to be awesome all of a sudden?" You can't play RR on turn 4 when splashing, you need an actual red deck.
Modern is a different matter. She might slot nicely into Jund as a 1-2 of. Seems like she is inline with what that deck wants to do. Generate card advantage, remove creatures, grind out the longer game. Like Nahiri she dodges Abrupt Decay so is tricky to remove when ticking up out of bolt range. Unlike Nahiri she doesn't produce a massive swing on the spot with her ultimate.
I don't see her setting the multiverse on fire.
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Modern:
RG Titanshift. A deck made of cards too stupid for EDH.
Retired: Lots. More than I feel you should suffer through or I should type out.
No, it isn't, but hey I'm sure we can make other planeswalkers seem insane if we just turn them into creatures, shift their color and then make their ability sound a little bit better by summarizing it. Here's my attempt:
Elf guy Transcendent
(No mana cost to make it sound better)
Creature- Elf Sprit Guy
Haste
1/1
W(W/U)U Ephara - Flash & Taxes W(W/U)U || B(B/G)G Meren - Circle of Life B(B/G)G
RGW Marath - Ever shifting Wilds RGW || (U/R)C(W/B) Breya - Artificial Dominion (U/R)C(W/B)
UBR Becket Brass - take what you can, give nothing back UBR
100% guaranteed it's a bad idea to preorder at $50 unless you need a set for an immediate large payout tournament.
It's an unsustainable trend to keep making planeswalkers that are this far higher in power level than the rest of the cards in a given set.
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Vryn's prodigy was actually a sleeper, everyone thought nissa and liliana and kytheon were the flip walkers to watch.
Right
I hope they don't sell one..
Greed
Phew! You masterfully cut-off my post at the correct place. Following it up with parody was brilliant.
My point, of course, was simply that focusing on the PW-ness made debates around her focused on the accepted ideals of PW (immediate CA? immeditae defense while ticking up?) and ignore that she's the most versatile PW in a while. She give cards, mana, burn and a great ultimate.
I think she's at home in a Boros shell. She might be at home in a mid-range RU controllish build, controlling a bit the board or ramping to the finisher. Or RG ramp? getting extra mana or a card to keep going.
Thank you. That was the way I was leaning.
Likewise with Liliana, the Last Hope- I preordered a playset of her for $80 and a foil for $50.
MTGS was super down on her (and Nahiri, the Harbinger and Jace, Vryn's Prodigy,
and those are just the more recent examples).
All that is to say, don't take what you read here too seriously.
Chandra has a lot working in her favor,
but so did Ob Nixilis Reignited and Tamiyo, Field Researcher.
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I hope not one person ishould buying that this inflated pricing.
Does she have a auto win button? No.
At the time of exiling the card you can choose whether or not to cast it, ignoring timing restriction.
Standard - Some kind of control
Modern - UB Mill (casual)
EDH - Meren's Grave Shenanigans
Starcitygames now has her posted for $59.99 WOW!!!!
I have never seen a card for pre sale this high. I blame all this on baby jace...
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
She is better than Nahiri easily outside of her ultimate. Nahiris ultimate just happens to win the game easier than Chandras and she ticks up quickly. Chandra is better otherwise.
I agree, but the ultimate on Nahiri is just so good that I think that it easily beats out Chandra in red/white decks. Chandra is strong, but she isn't stronger than Emrakul.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
This new Chandra is pretty, pretty good.
Okay, now that I've voiced a relative comment on topic, I really only posted this because I had to address your signature stating that Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake. Kangee, Aerie Keeper might have something to say about that comparison
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Maybe Chandra's this good because Liliana thought her?
The card furious reprisal and also this maybe sound alarm but Liliana was whispering in Chandra's ear in a picture to hint diabolic tutor for a reprint in kaladash.
(But she better not be trying to bring her to the dark side as well.)