it's going to be great for the year it will dominate almost every format before it gets banned in damn near everything but i can already see the humans deck forming.....4 eerie interlude with 4 thalias lieutenants....yes my thalia's lietenant is a 7/7
it's going to be great for the year it will dominate almost every format before it gets banned in damn near everything but i can already see the humans deck forming.....4 eerie interlude with 4 thalias lieutenants....yes my thalia's lietenant is a 7/7
It's not that powerful
there are more rediculious non infinite combos that doesn't evolve the words when this enters the battlefield
Futhurmore games in modern/legacy/vintage end before this even comes out.
Commander 1 or 8 in 99 chance of getting it (7 from draw or mulligans and the draw on your first turn.) + Known artifact removals + this is one of those everyone co-ops to destory it quick cards.
In other words I doubt it will get banned especially in standard/modern/legacy/vintage.
Someone do a gatherer search on what we have in new standard that is great with this.
Wispweaver Angel plus a fabricate creature*
*These are going to be in Kaladesh
You're going to need another fabricate creature or a second Wispweaver Angel in there if you want to get the full effect (with the 2nd Wispweaver making it infinite, but a 4 card combo involving multiple 6 mana creatures is rather tame as far as infinites go). You can target the same creature twice with Wispweaver, but the first Wispweaver resolution is going to make that creature stop being the target of the other Flicker, since it left play and returned, and Wispweaver's ability can't target herself. So it's pretty hard to break her at less than 3 creatures.
Also, is this DesolatorMagic? Guessing by the OMG STANDARD BANS and Capslock
I see someone forgot how many artifact removals there are in commander.
Don't look at me, I'm only repeating what I've heard people say - and that kind of talk is part of the reason the price is so low.
That doesn't work. When you use a flicker effect that immediately returns the creature, like the cards you mentioned, the creature's "enters the battlefield" and "leaves the battlefield" abilities all trigger at the same time. Though you do get to choose the order they go on the stack, you still have to choose all your triggers at that time. So you have to pick what to exile before Spell Queller's ltb ability has resolved.
I presume you meant "you have to choose all your targets at that time" - yes you are right. The effect is on the stack, not the spell - so you can't re-target the same spell when you flicker Spell Queller.
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This card breaks standard, what do you mean no use?
Fragmentize means that panharmonicon won't see play.
I thought it would break Standard too - I didn't realise we'd get such efficient hate for it. Most of the artifact removal spells before this are CMC 3 or higher which is basically trading turns if it gets removed.
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This card breaks standard, what do you mean no use?
Fragmentize means that panharmonicon won't see play.
I thought it would break Standard too - I didn't realise we'd get such efficient hate for it. Most of the artifact removal spells before this are CMC 3 or higher which is basically trading turns if it gets removed.
So today I looked at what cards in my Multiplayer cube work with Panharmonicon to see if it's worth throwing in...
... and my eyes crossed over Gilded Drake...
... and it broke my mind a little...
Someone do a gatherer search on what we have in new standard that is great with this.
Wispweaver Angel plus a fabricate creature*
*These are going to be in Kaladesh
You're going to need another fabricate creature or a second Wispweaver Angel in there if you want to get the full effect (with the 2nd Wispweaver making it infinite, but a 4 card combo involving multiple 6 mana creatures is rather tame as far as infinites go). You can target the same creature twice with Wispweaver, but the first Wispweaver resolution is going to make that creature stop being the target of the other Flicker, since it left play and returned, and Wispweaver's ability can't target herself. So it's pretty hard to break her at less than 3 creatures.
Also, is this DesolatorMagic? Guessing by the OMG STANDARD BANS and Capslock
OK, well you would need the other angel, but it's still have winning
It doesn't matter that fragmentize is a Sorcery. The only reason Panharmonicon might have been playable to begin with is that the other player basically had to give up their turn when all their removal is CMC 3+. Now that they have a CMC 1 removal they can remove panharmonicon and still do stuff on their turn.
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I think the card could see standard play, but what's really holding it back is the fact you have to spend 4 mana to play it and nothing else on the turn you do (if it's your turn 4 play), thus making it a whole turn of nothing.
I'm really hoping we get more good etb effects in AEther Revolt to bring this card out to shine.
I think the card could see standard play, but what's really holding it back is the fact you have to spend 4 mana to play it and nothing else on the turn you do (if it's your turn 4 play), thus making it a whole turn of nothing.
I wouldn't say that's a whole turn of nothing. I'd say it's a turn of setting up your next turn(s) where you are going to do crazy stuff that is more than going to make up for a single turn of "doing nothing".
So today I looked at what cards in my Multiplayer cube work with Panharmonicon to see if it's worth throwing in...
... and my eyes crossed over Gilded Drake...
... and it broke my mind a little...
That isn't going to work the way you want it to. If you target two separate creatures your opponent controls with the doubled ETB effect the first ability to resolve will exchange the creatures and the second one will attempt to exchange control of two creatures that share a controller and no exchange will occur. You COULD target creatures controlled by two different opponents and play musical chairs, but it still wouldn't get you two creatures for one. There's also no way to get an advantage from the sacrifice part, since you can't sacrifice a permanent you don't control.
It's all good, that's what I expected. It's cute, though.... the swap you wanted, followed by a second completely political swap if you so choose.
I think the card could see standard play, but what's really holding it back is the fact you have to spend 4 mana to play it and nothing else on the turn you do (if it's your turn 4 play), thus making it a whole turn of nothing.
I wouldn't say that's a whole turn of nothing. I'd say it's a turn of setting up your next turn(s) where you are going to do crazy stuff that is more than going to make up for a single turn of "doing nothing".
Yeah I guess I worded it rather poorly. I'm currently playing a standard Panharmonicon deck and it's definitely a strong card. It's just more of a gamble to play it because if they have anything to destroy it, or a more advanced board state than you, your turn four Panharmonicon can feel like a turn of nothing.
If, however, you successfully follow it up with a turn five Cloud chaser, it's a whole different story.
I'm really excited to see what etb/flicker effects are in the next set. I'm really hoping for a UW legend that can flicker things for an activated ability. I'd like to see Panharmonicon become a top tier standard deck because it's a really fun and crazy card; and I feel like we've been fighting planeswalker midrange for too long. Standard needs a change up!
I like this card a lot. I've scoured the net for some legit modern decks, found none what seems to be remotely viable, at least to see some tournament play. Is it possible to make a deck out of this card to be somewhat tier 2ish? If you know of any decklist links please share, would love to play this card.
Someone figured out *something*, as the card is now worth 3x what it preordered for.
I don't know what, though- I went through all the Standard decks and found nothing.
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
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I like this card a lot. I've scoured the net for some legit modern decks, found none what seems to be remotely viable, at least to see some tournament play. Is it possible to make a deck out of this card to be somewhat tier 2ish? If you know of any decklist links please share, would love to play this card.
Someone figured out *something*, as the card is now worth 3x what it preordered for.
I don't know what, though- I went through all the Standard decks and found nothing.
There is a colossus deck running around that uses Panharmonicon. LSV did a video of it. While I'm not sure it's the best thing out there, it certainly looks like a fun deck:
There are some other threads in the Market Street Cafe that state that anything SaffronOlive of MTGGoldfish.com promotes spikes in price. I think he did one for Panharmonicon.
Also, that card just has casual fun deck written all over it.
There are some other threads in the Market Street Cafe that state that anything SaffronOlive of MTGGoldfish.com promotes spikes in price. I think he did one for Panharmonicon.
SaffronOlive did play the deck and from that video alone it looks really fun and ridiculous. Not everything he plays goes up in price, though, just when he is able to show off a good run. Not like ... I don't know ... his video for Dubious Cringe.
It may not be a Standard player, but it is heading down the path of being a Casual favorite (with potential implications in other formats.) Doubling Season has never seen any real play outside of Casual either.
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It may not be a Standard player, but it is heading down the path of being a Casual favorite (with potential implications in other formats.) Doubling Season has never seen any real play outside of Casual either.
You just made most Green EDHs very sad. I think Commander is the biggest reason this is going up in price, since nearly every Commander Deck wants this. Hard. It's a threat you can drop T4 (at the latest) that MUST be answered before you get to your next turn. Drop this lategame and if no one answers this in response to its ETB, it basically reads "You win.".
It's not that powerful
there are more rediculious non infinite combos that doesn't evolve the words when this enters the battlefield
Futhurmore games in modern/legacy/vintage end before this even comes out.
Commander 1 or 8 in 99 chance of getting it (7 from draw or mulligans and the draw on your first turn.) + Known artifact removals + this is one of those everyone co-ops to destory it quick cards.
In other words I doubt it will get banned especially in standard/modern/legacy/vintage.
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I THOUGHT REMIXING A REMIX WOULD PUT IT BACK TO NORMAL!
You're going to need another fabricate creature or a second Wispweaver Angel in there if you want to get the full effect (with the 2nd Wispweaver making it infinite, but a 4 card combo involving multiple 6 mana creatures is rather tame as far as infinites go). You can target the same creature twice with Wispweaver, but the first Wispweaver resolution is going to make that creature stop being the target of the other Flicker, since it left play and returned, and Wispweaver's ability can't target herself. So it's pretty hard to break her at less than 3 creatures.
Also, is this DesolatorMagic? Guessing by the OMG STANDARD BANS and Capslock
Infinite creatures, and infinite mana in one little stack.
Yep
I figured this one out on day 1
You get 6 scions 3 for the Displacer and get another 6 rinse and repeat
Turn whatever Emrakul/kozilek/Ulamog this is the last chance til the Egyption set.
Wrong thread. Dubious Challenge is here.
Don't look at me, I'm only repeating what I've heard people say - and that kind of talk is part of the reason the price is so low.
I presume you meant "you have to choose all your targets at that time" - yes you are right. The effect is on the stack, not the spell - so you can't re-target the same spell when you flicker Spell Queller.
Fragmentize means that panharmonicon won't see play.
I thought it would break Standard too - I didn't realise we'd get such efficient hate for it. Most of the artifact removal spells before this are CMC 3 or higher which is basically trading turns if it gets removed.
Erase didn't stop Jeskai Ascendancy seeing play.
Standard:
UR Ral Combo
Modern:
U Merfolk
R Goblins
Commander
RB Grenzo, Dungeon Warden
R Feldon of the Third Path
... and my eyes crossed over Gilded Drake...
... and it broke my mind a little...
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OK, well you would need the other angel, but it's still have winning
It doesn't matter that fragmentize is a Sorcery. The only reason Panharmonicon might have been playable to begin with is that the other player basically had to give up their turn when all their removal is CMC 3+. Now that they have a CMC 1 removal they can remove panharmonicon and still do stuff on their turn.
I'm really hoping we get more good etb effects in AEther Revolt to bring this card out to shine.
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I wouldn't say that's a whole turn of nothing. I'd say it's a turn of setting up your next turn(s) where you are going to do crazy stuff that is more than going to make up for a single turn of "doing nothing".
It's all good, that's what I expected. It's cute, though.... the swap you wanted, followed by a second completely political swap if you so choose.
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Yeah I guess I worded it rather poorly. I'm currently playing a standard Panharmonicon deck and it's definitely a strong card. It's just more of a gamble to play it because if they have anything to destroy it, or a more advanced board state than you, your turn four Panharmonicon can feel like a turn of nothing.
If, however, you successfully follow it up with a turn five Cloud chaser, it's a whole different story.
I'm really excited to see what etb/flicker effects are in the next set. I'm really hoping for a UW legend that can flicker things for an activated ability. I'd like to see Panharmonicon become a top tier standard deck because it's a really fun and crazy card; and I feel like we've been fighting planeswalker midrange for too long. Standard needs a change up!
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Someone figured out *something*, as the card is now worth 3x what it preordered for.
I don't know what, though- I went through all the Standard decks and found nothing.
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
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WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
There is a colossus deck running around that uses Panharmonicon. LSV did a video of it. While I'm not sure it's the best thing out there, it certainly looks like a fun deck:
http://www.channelfireball.com/videos/channel-lsv-standard-colossus-affinity/
There are some other threads in the Market Street Cafe that state that anything SaffronOlive of MTGGoldfish.com promotes spikes in price. I think he did one for Panharmonicon.
Also, that card just has casual fun deck written all over it.
Commander is a Casual format. It is also the only format I play (well, I play Limited a lot too.) I love having "stupid bull***** that needs to be banned" out in Bombnath.