And that dude just wasted everyone else's time for questions.
Way to go champ.
What happened? Was he one of those guys who started with "big fan, playing since (x year)...." then goes on to list his favorite colors, commander, WoW guild, etc. And then ask what Maro's favorite plane was?
More or less, except it was more about finally seeing an India themed set and how they are approaching doing it respectfully. So basically one of those mixed with one of those diversity/PC questions.
Notice how 2 of the 3 questions that were asked were about PC stuff rather than the game itself.
Well nuts. I haven't had the ability to watch it yet, but that is a mixed bag. On the one hand, accolades are nice, and warranted, as wizards is working hard on diversity. On the other, we have VERY limited access to direct questions, and to waste them on fluff is maddening. I remember back in BFZ some dude wasted a lot of time arguing that Gideon didn't count as diverse, and they finally had to sort of...sweep him out of there to keep it moving
So based on what I have seen, but not confirmed everything
White - Dwarves
Blue - Vedalken
Green - Elves
Red - Gremlins
Black Aetherborn
and I guess Humans are mixed throughout the color pie
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We try not to touch on the politicized nonsense here and moderators do their best to keep threads on topic and well away from those fun subjects, but world building panels get their Q&A time eaten up by people asking questions about social issues instead of design or story matters, and this was no exception. Most of the question time was spend on representation of race, ethnicity, body size, I kind of tuned out but maybe someone brought up autism spectrum? I'm far more interested in how the designers created a new environment with explicit constraints in mind like "Positive upbeat atmosphere to contrast with typical grimdark fantasy- ie no necromancy- but still keep black fully fleshed out yet not cartoony like lorwyn" or how the fabric of aetherworks is woven through the architecture and lifecycles of the ecosystem to the point the cities are almost living and breathing organisms- but instead we got to listen to whether wizards were misappropriating indian culture in a set about artificers.
Because race and culture have nothing to do with world building, right?
And that dude just wasted everyone else's time for questions.
Way to go champ.
What happened? Was he one of those guys who started with "big fan, playing since (x year)...." then goes on to list his favorite colors, commander, WoW guild, etc. And then ask what Maro's favorite plane was?
We try not to touch on the politicized nonsense here and moderators do their best to keep threads on topic and well away from those fun subjects, but world building panels get their Q&A time eaten up by people asking questions about social issues instead of design or story matters, and this was no exception. Most of the question time was spend on representation of race, ethnicity, body size, I kind of tuned out but maybe someone brought up autism spectrum? I'm far more interested in how the designers created a new environment with explicit constraints in mind like "Positive upbeat atmosphere to contrast with typical grimdark fantasy- ie no necromancy- but still keep black fully fleshed out yet not cartoony like lorwyn" or how the fabric of aetherworks is woven through the architecture and lifecycles of the ecosystem to the point the cities are almost living and breathing organisms- but instead we got to listen to whether wizards were misappropriating indian culture in a set about artificers.
well at least the dwarfs didn't offend anyone... yet
Well that's frustrating as all getout. Thank you for letting me know though, should have seen that coming!
I saw that the vehicles have a new border. I wonder if this plane special will be vehicles and this is why I hope to see a vehicle in every pack replacing land.
Eldrazi had different border as well in RoE, the colorless ones. Was there one in every pack?
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And that dude just wasted everyone else's time for questions.
Way to go champ.
What happened? Was he one of those guys who started with "big fan, playing since (x year)...." then goes on to list his favorite colors, commander, WoW guild, etc. And then ask what Maro's favorite plane was?
We try not to touch on the politicized nonsense here and moderators do their best to keep threads on topic and well away from those fun subjects, but world building panels get their Q&A time eaten up by people asking questions about social issues instead of design or story matters, and this was no exception. Most of the question time was spend on representation of race, ethnicity, body size, I kind of tuned out but maybe someone brought up autism spectrum? I'm far more interested in how the designers created a new environment with explicit constraints in mind like "Positive upbeat atmosphere to contrast with typical grimdark fantasy- ie no necromancy- but still keep black fully fleshed out yet not cartoony like lorwyn" or how the fabric of aetherworks is woven through the architecture and lifecycles of the ecosystem to the point the cities are almost living and breathing organisms- but instead we got to listen to whether wizards were misappropriating indian culture in a set about artificers.
well at least the dwarfs didn't offend anyone... yet
Inclusion is totally political nonsense. I mean, imagine if people would just ask questions about what means something to them personally from a game that they love... Wait, that's what happened. Intersectionality, people. It's ok if subtext and social context flies over your head though. You're not alone. At all. And don't worry, there will be plenty of info on the elves and cards in the months to come, god forbid one dude praises Wizards for how progressive they are.
We try not to touch on the politicized nonsense here and moderators do their best to keep threads on topic and well away from those fun subjects, but world building panels get their Q&A time eaten up by people asking questions about social issues instead of design or story matters, and this was no exception. Most of the question time was spend on representation of race, ethnicity, body size, I kind of tuned out but maybe someone brought up autism spectrum? I'm far more interested in how the designers created a new environment with explicit constraints in mind like "Positive upbeat atmosphere to contrast with typical grimdark fantasy- ie no necromancy- but still keep black fully fleshed out yet not cartoony like lorwyn" or how the fabric of aetherworks is woven through the architecture and lifecycles of the ecosystem to the point the cities are almost living and breathing organisms- but instead we got to listen to whether wizards were misappropriating indian culture in a set about artificers.
Because race and culture have nothing to do with world building, right?
I think he meant that the questions were pointed as "how do you respect/appropriate (real world culture) with (fantasy world culture)" instead of disparaging that they talked about race and culture in general. I haven't seen it yet, but if someone was to spend the entire time talking about (real world) Japanese culture instead of Kamigawa culture, I'd be a little miffed too, because we have a limited time to hear the devs talk about the culture they made.
I could be wrong, not trying to start a flame war. Just prevent one!
Shawn himself just made a mistake explaining how the vehicles work, saying that you tap "one creature" not 1 power worth. I like the way it works but they need to be careful in their messaging.
Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
We try not to touch on the politicized nonsense here and moderators do their best to keep threads on topic and well away from those fun subjects, but world building panels get their Q&A time eaten up by people asking questions about social issues instead of design or story matters, and this was no exception. Most of the question time was spend on representation of race, ethnicity, body size, I kind of tuned out but maybe someone brought up autism spectrum? I'm far more interested in how the designers created a new environment with explicit constraints in mind like "Positive upbeat atmosphere to contrast with typical grimdark fantasy- ie no necromancy- but still keep black fully fleshed out yet not cartoony like lorwyn" or how the fabric of aetherworks is woven through the architecture and lifecycles of the ecosystem to the point the cities are almost living and breathing organisms- but instead we got to listen to whether wizards were misappropriating indian culture in a set about artificers.
Because race and culture have nothing to do with world building, right?
Sure it does. But nobody's complaining that Kaervak wasn't a trans-demi-otherkin on Jamuraa, were they? Mirage and Kamigawa remain two blocks where they did a good job of reflecting culture and mythology of the respective societies. Original Ravnica did a good job too.
The real issue is people trying to bring up stuff like "when are you going to do (insert less than 1% of the population) thing" and "you're culturally appropriating" when in reality Magic is a game and not real life.
They should start to get worried if the game goes downhill and not about narcissistic "it has to represent me" ideals.
Alright, let's cut it out with the whole race/gender/inclusion issue, that's a debate for the debate forum, not for here!
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My Commander decks:
Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
So wait...they didn't like the multi-creature equipment style of vehicle because of weird flavor, but we ended up with a mechanic with even weirder flavor fails?
Sure it does. But nobody's complaining that Kaervak wasn't a trans-demi-otherkin on Jamuraa, were they?
In fact no one is complaining about race and culture on Kaladesh. The only one who's complaining is you. Stop whining and get on with you life. Maybe go ***** about "teh SJWs" on Stormfront.
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It is as always...you think "wow, they made something really cool" but you end up sleeving up cards that are older and just striclty better than the new ones
Yes, that's what people are always complaining about, the cards not making older ones obsolete...
Not to mention that, sure it is 8 energy to create the token, but it is also an incredibly easy to hit energy trigger that can be used for other cards that require energy to activate.
Well nuts. I haven't had the ability to watch it yet, but that is a mixed bag. On the one hand, accolades are nice, and warranted, as wizards is working hard on diversity. On the other, we have VERY limited access to direct questions, and to waste them on fluff is maddening. I remember back in BFZ some dude wasted a lot of time arguing that Gideon didn't count as diverse, and they finally had to sort of...sweep him out of there to keep it moving
White - Dwarves
Blue - Vedalken
Green - Elves
Red - Gremlins
Black Aetherborn
and I guess Humans are mixed throughout the color pie
Tried to pull away, but now I'm Back At it
Love is Emphatic, cards need to be played
Hailing from the BA, accumulating CA"
Because race and culture have nothing to do with world building, right?
Well that's frustrating as all getout. Thank you for letting me know though, should have seen that coming!
Eldrazi had different border as well in RoE, the colorless ones. Was there one in every pack?
Let this great clan rest in peace (2001-2011)
Inclusion is totally political nonsense. I mean, imagine if people would just ask questions about what means something to them personally from a game that they love... Wait, that's what happened. Intersectionality, people. It's ok if subtext and social context flies over your head though. You're not alone. At all. And don't worry, there will be plenty of info on the elves and cards in the months to come, god forbid one dude praises Wizards for how progressive they are.
I think he meant that the questions were pointed as "how do you respect/appropriate (real world culture) with (fantasy world culture)" instead of disparaging that they talked about race and culture in general. I haven't seen it yet, but if someone was to spend the entire time talking about (real world) Japanese culture instead of Kamigawa culture, I'd be a little miffed too, because we have a limited time to hear the devs talk about the culture they made.
I could be wrong, not trying to start a flame war. Just prevent one!
More energy use
Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
Sure it does. But nobody's complaining that Kaervak wasn't a trans-demi-otherkin on Jamuraa, were they? Mirage and Kamigawa remain two blocks where they did a good job of reflecting culture and mythology of the respective societies. Original Ravnica did a good job too.
The real issue is people trying to bring up stuff like "when are you going to do (insert less than 1% of the population) thing" and "you're culturally appropriating" when in reality Magic is a game and not real life.
They should start to get worried if the game goes downhill and not about narcissistic "it has to represent me" ideals.
Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
UBBreya's Toybox (Competitive, Combo)WR
RGodzilla, King of the MonstersG
-Retired Decks-
UBLazav, Dimir Mastermind (Competitive, UB Voltron/Control)UB
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—Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver
Those are really a pain to count.
In fact no one is complaining about race and culture on Kaladesh. The only one who's complaining is you. Stop whining and get on with you life. Maybe go ***** about "teh SJWs" on Stormfront.
There are other cards that generate energy...
You can pay with any 8 energy counters. These cards are clearly balanced on the assumption that you'll have a few sources of energy in the deck.
No, you just need to get 8 energy sources.
Play land -> get an energy
Play something with that land -> get an energy
and so forth
Or, 8 dead permanents when you have Aetherworks Marvel in play
Yes, that's what people are always complaining about, the cards not making older ones obsolete...
UBBreya's Toybox (Competitive, Combo)WR
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