Over on the "Diabolic Tutor reprint?" thread, there's also mention of the possibility of a card named "Deadlock Trap" (based on filenames of images on the Mothership).
Well, MaRo mentioned that the top four Planeswalkers in Shadows block were Jace (the face of SOI), Liliana (the face of EMN), Nahiri (the main antagonist), Sorin, then Tamiyo and Arlinn. So it feels like it's possible for the Planeswalker decks in the second set to pull from a previous set's Planeswalkers.
I'm not sure I understand the relevance here. Just because they were the most important (is that what you mean by 'top'?) to the block and they were the ones that maybe would most likely get decks - don't you think they might have reordered them? Given the amount of cards that nahiri appears on in the 2nd set, it almost feels like she should have been in the 2nd set. I think the decks would have been Jace & Sorin in SOI and Nahiri and Liliana in EMN (with Nahiri also appearing in EMN)
Also, while I was wrong about Nissa getting a card in Kaladesh - I still feel like Gideon will get a card in the 2nd set. I think Tezzeret actually being on Kaladesh trumps Vraska 'maybe - possibly' being on Ravnica. Vraska isn't the only gorgon, after all. I still feel like Nissa's going to call Gideon in for the 2nd set (and maybe Jace if he can sneak away from his aide lady)
That said - that hypothesis requires that one of the planeswalkers being tri-coloured. Tezzeret and Dovin Ban are the only two whose colours are unknown in this scenario - and the most likely tri-colour for either of them is Esper. I doubt they'd do either Dovin WU/UB and Tezzeret WUB OR Dovin WUB and Tezzeret UB in the same set. I guess the only way Gideon makes sense is Dovin being U and Tezzeret being WUB - which seems a stretch.
Okay - I guess my theory about Gideon being in Kaladesh no longer makes logical sense
I still don't think they'd make a set with only one planeswalker.
We might get Gideon this block, it just means that next block has two walkers without an impact on color parity (and thus we need an extra walker influencing color parity now). This is due to the fact that we know one major player next block is in three colors (Nicky B), but given we're seeing him again, we could have two walkers that don't influence parity (Ugin).
Which would mean that a potential line-up of walkers was: W: Gideon U: Saheeli (R) B: Tezzeret (U) R: Chandra G: Nissa
EXTRA: Dovin (WU)
But it would mean next set isn't designed to support three color decks (Nicky B around but not supported by standard) and has two walkers out of five not impacting color parity (Dragon on Dragon action). Plus a certain spoiler from the story art thread being given a card in the next block (in his GW color, to balance Nicky's UBR) would probably take the W spot I had saved for Gideon.
But it would mean next set isn't designed to support three color decks (Nicky B around but not supported by standard) and has two walkers out of five not impacting color parity (Dragon on Dragon action). Plus a certain spoiler from the story art thread being given a card in the next block (in his GW color, to balance Nicky's UBR) would probably take the W spot I had saved for Gideon.
By "Dragon on Dragon" I presume you mean Ugin? I didn't play Tarkir or the first Zendikar and I didn't follow the story of BFZ so I know very little about the character. Is it possible he's in Amonkhet?
There's a part of me that doesn't think it's likely that we'll get 3 gatewatch members in one block (especially not the exact same three we got in BFZ block) - but I've been suspecting Gideon in Kaladesh since just after Eldritch Moon started spoiling (wow - take that out of context for someone who doesn't know the game!) and I guess I'm stubborn.
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But it would mean next set isn't designed to support three color decks (Nicky B around but not supported by standard) and has two walkers out of five not impacting color parity (Dragon on Dragon action). Plus a certain spoiler from the story art thread being given a card in the next block (in his GW color, to balance Nicky's UBR) would probably take the W spot I had saved for Gideon.
By "Dragon on Dragon" I presume you mean Ugin? I didn't play Tarkir or the first Zendikar and I didn't follow the story of BFZ so I know very little about the character. Is it possible he's in Amonkhet?
There's a part of me that doesn't think it's likely that we'll get 3 gatewatch members in one block (especially not the exact same three we got in BFZ block) - but I've been suspecting Gideon in Kaladesh since just after Eldritch Moon started spoiling (wow - take that out of context for someone who doesn't know the game!) and I guess I'm stubborn.
The plot for Fate Reforged was Sarkhan going back in time and stopping Ugin from being killed, Ugin's death was an elaborate trap set-up by Nicol Bolas. Because Nicol Bolas hates competition, you know, the idea that anyone in the multiverse could stop his wacky schemes.
So yeah, the Spirit Dragon and the last Elder Dragon have a past, and issues with each other. The pair being in the same plotline makes a level of sense that would only be denied by how color parity gets screwed up. I'm not saying Gideon will happen in Aether Revolt, I'm saying it's still on the table as an option based on what we know about characters who have plot together. Nicol Bolas and Ugin have a past, Nicol Bolas also has a past with Ajani. So there are some moving parts to work out that could still be in play.
When will we get remaining/totals for each color/rarity?
We won't truly know that until the whole set is revealed. With every spoiler we can get a better idea, mainly of the rares and mythics, but won't really know for certain. It's all educated guessing. I think we are missing three Mythics (Dovin, Combustible Gearhulk, and what will likely be a B or Bx Mythic) and no idea on rares
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I don't see them doing it, it would probably warp standard, not to mention it greatly benefits blue without a balance in the other 4 colors.
241 could be a W/X/Y/Z artifact too, it is not confirmed to be a land. I just had to place it somewhere, and I see the odds of it being an Aether-something land as higher than an artifact at that part of the alphabet.
Now watch as WotC blows all of that up in my face!
Does anyone else think it was a mistake to make terror of the fairgrounds and territorial gorger so similar? I can eaily imagine getting them confused at a glance, but they have very different effects and impact a game/draft differently.
Or is it just me?
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if we would get a GW planeswalker in amonkhet to balance out Bolas then i have a feeling it would be non other than the original white planeswalker Ajani (i'm still a little salty that ******* gideon got the white planeswalker slot instead of ajani because he was the original planeswalker for white.....ajani and garruck got cheated because gideon and nissa just happened to be around.....and because garruck is kinda stuck being psycho) but anyway ajani is already a viable enemy and threat to Bolas and cat people are a legitimate thing in egypt mythology so he could show up and kick some bol-ass
Regarding some of the current speculations in the list ....
I believe that Voltaic Key might actually be a possibility. Curiosity got the better of me, so I did a Gatherer search, and Pyromancer's Goggles was the only card in Standard I found that would be massively broken, and that rotates out. It might, however, be too good to give the Gearhulks pay-per-vigilance, maybe?
I find Mutavault extremely unlikely, however. Don`t you remember how format warping it was last time around?
Am I reading that right in that there no room in the lands for either Terramorphic Expanse or Evolving Wilds. Will they print a third version so Commander decks can run three copies?
Am I reading that right in that there no room in the lands for either Terramorphic Expanse or Evolving Wilds. Will they print a third version so Commander decks can run three copies?
I was actually thinking this too.
Also, Tezzeret does not fit into the multicolored anymore.
Am I reading that right in that there no room in the lands for either Terramorphic Expanse or Evolving Wilds. Will they print a third version so Commander decks can run three copies?
I was actually thinking this too.
Also, Tezzeret does not fit into the multicolored anymore.
Sure he does. 180-182 all fit Head Judge Tezzeret.
Am I reading that right in that there no room in the lands for either Terramorphic Expanse or Evolving Wilds. Will they print a third version so Commander decks can run three copies?
I was actually thinking this too.
Also, Tezzeret does not fit into the multicolored anymore.
Sure he does. 180-182 all fit Head Judge Tezzeret.
Planeswalker names always start with the first name, so his card would be Tezzeret, Head Judge (or something along those lines)
Kiran will not be at spot 118, if Wizards decides to some how bring him back from the dead.
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Am I reading that right in that there no room in the lands for either Terramorphic Expanse or Evolving Wilds. Will they print a third version so Commander decks can run three copies?
I was actually thinking this too.
Also, Tezzeret does not fit into the multicolored anymore.
Sure he does. 180-182 all fit Head Judge Tezzeret.
Planeswalker names always start with the first name, so his card would be Tezzeret, Head Judge (or something along those lines)
Kiran will not be at spot 118, if Wizards decides to some how bring him back from the dead.
Besides which, there way no way we'll see 5 planeswalkers in one set - and we're clearly getting Dovin in this one because his art appears on the packs. I'm a little shocked that people thought we would get Tezzeret in the first set. He's clearly going to be in the 2nd set even before you crunch numbers - if he appears at all (Planeswalkers being on a plane doesn't mean they get a card - he might be a tie-in to Amonkhet and he'll get a card then)
'K' comes after 'I' - so if he is alive (which I doubt) he's be at 120. However if he is alive I'd expect him to be some 'great reveal' for the 2nd set. We don't know for sure that he died - he collapsed with his intestines hanging out but in a world of magical wondrous artifacts they may have healed him in some way for questioning (I strongly doubt this - I'm just noting that it's a possibility. We don't know 100% certain he's dead.)
Im wondering if number 65 monoblue is a tezzerrett related spell. Im thinking it might be because we are probably not likely to see tezz in this set, especially as a monoblue walker and if i recall correctly there is a card called "tezzerrets ____". I could be wrong though.
Edit: its in the suprise chandra form someone said the art was for tezzerrets ambition.
So here is where we sit after week one of spoilers. Please note that these numbers include only cards we have seen with one exception: I am including Combustible Gearhulk because we know it will be a mono red mythic. I am not including Dovin as we do not know his color id yet. Multi color cards will be broken down into their color components so that we can see what colors are represented where, mainly for theorizing the remaining mythics and rares.
Dovin (or Tez, but I think it'll be Dovin) will be our final mythic in the set, giving blue a total of 5 mythics. From that I can assume Revolt will have 1-2 blue mythics in it, for balance (Tez and one other, probably)
There are 24 missing rares from the set. I think we will see two more enemy color legends (leaving BG out), some form of sweeper (likely in white, an artifact version of Planar Outburst), and I have no idea about the rest
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I know Dovin Baan should have blue in its cost(considering what we know about him) but would it be farfetched to believe he is going to be mono - white?
I'm basing this solely on the speculation of him representing the consuls of Kaladesh which could all easily be white aligned antagonists of the block. Maybe he is as 'pure' as they get, making him mono white. Also, regarding color distribution within the block we already have 2 blue walkers (saheeli and tezzeret) and no white planeswalker. Also, 5 mythics with blue in their cost is maybe too much for a set?
I know they don't follow any rules when it comes to planeswalkers but they definitely tried to find at least one for each color every block since SOM block which did not have a green planeswalker.
I'd go for him being either Mono W or UW.
making Dovin without U in his color id would break from Wizards history with the Vedalken tribe, namely that all Vedalkens printed thus far have had U in their color id. Also, the Consulate is WU aligned, if I'm not mistaken, making him WU or U would make the most sense
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5-7 gold cards left to be revealed, it looks like. No GW uncommon just yet, nor WB, BG, RW, or GU so there are those.
Perhaps the art used for Himmat Neela is the GW uncommon?
Which would mean that a potential line-up of walkers was:
W: Gideon
U: Saheeli (R)
B: Tezzeret (U)
R: Chandra
G: Nissa
EXTRA: Dovin (WU)
But it would mean next set isn't designed to support three color decks (Nicky B around but not supported by standard) and has two walkers out of five not impacting color parity (Dragon on Dragon action). Plus a certain spoiler from the story art thread being given a card in the next block (in his GW color, to balance Nicky's UBR) would probably take the W spot I had saved for Gideon.
This was from the possible Diabolic Tutor reprint thread, I found a few other possible names. Could be handy for the crunch list.
And it feels so weird quoting myself.
Added. Thinking Cathartic Reunion is red and Deadlock Trap is an artifact.
By "Dragon on Dragon" I presume you mean Ugin? I didn't play Tarkir or the first Zendikar and I didn't follow the story of BFZ so I know very little about the character. Is it possible he's in Amonkhet?
There's a part of me that doesn't think it's likely that we'll get 3 gatewatch members in one block (especially not the exact same three we got in BFZ block) - but I've been suspecting Gideon in Kaladesh since just after Eldritch Moon started spoiling (wow - take that out of context for someone who doesn't know the game!) and I guess I'm stubborn.
So yeah, the Spirit Dragon and the last Elder Dragon have a past, and issues with each other. The pair being in the same plotline makes a level of sense that would only be denied by how color parity gets screwed up. I'm not saying Gideon will happen in Aether Revolt, I'm saying it's still on the table as an option based on what we know about characters who have plot together. Nicol Bolas and Ugin have a past, Nicol Bolas also has a past with Ajani. So there are some moving parts to work out that could still be in play.
In Standard? Not happening.
I hope we can get something like Forked Bolt.
We won't truly know that until the whole set is revealed. With every spoiler we can get a better idea, mainly of the rares and mythics, but won't really know for certain. It's all educated guessing. I think we are missing three Mythics (Dovin, Combustible Gearhulk, and what will likely be a B or Bx Mythic) and no idea on rares
Standard - Some kind of control
Modern - UB Mill (casual)
EDH - Meren's Grave Shenanigans
I don't see them doing it, it would probably warp standard, not to mention it greatly benefits blue without a balance in the other 4 colors.
241 could be a W/X/Y/Z artifact too, it is not confirmed to be a land. I just had to place it somewhere, and I see the odds of it being an Aether-something land as higher than an artifact at that part of the alphabet.
Now watch as WotC blows all of that up in my face!
Or is it just me?
I invision a future where one is not mighty when he can silence a crowd with brutality,
but when he leaves them speechless with wisdom.
I believe that Voltaic Key might actually be a possibility. Curiosity got the better of me, so I did a Gatherer search, and Pyromancer's Goggles was the only card in Standard I found that would be massively broken, and that rotates out. It might, however, be too good to give the Gearhulks pay-per-vigilance, maybe?
I find Mutavault extremely unlikely, however. Don`t you remember how format warping it was last time around?
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I was actually thinking this too.
Also, Tezzeret does not fit into the multicolored anymore.
Planeswalker names always start with the first name, so his card would be Tezzeret, Head Judge (or something along those lines)
Kiran will not be at spot 118, if Wizards decides to some how bring him back from the dead.
Standard - Some kind of control
Modern - UB Mill (casual)
EDH - Meren's Grave Shenanigans
Besides which, there way no way we'll see 5 planeswalkers in one set - and we're clearly getting Dovin in this one because his art appears on the packs. I'm a little shocked that people thought we would get Tezzeret in the first set. He's clearly going to be in the 2nd set even before you crunch numbers - if he appears at all (Planeswalkers being on a plane doesn't mean they get a card - he might be a tie-in to Amonkhet and he'll get a card then)
'K' comes after 'I' - so if he is alive (which I doubt) he's be at 120. However if he is alive I'd expect him to be some 'great reveal' for the 2nd set. We don't know for sure that he died - he collapsed with his intestines hanging out but in a world of magical wondrous artifacts they may have healed him in some way for questioning (I strongly doubt this - I'm just noting that it's a possibility. We don't know 100% certain he's dead.)
Edit: its in the suprise chandra form someone said the art was for tezzerrets ambition.
Mythic: 14/15 (W: 2 U: 4 B: 2 R: 3 G: 3 C: 2)
Rare: 29/53 (W: 4 U: 2 B: 4 R: 6 G: 5 C: 10)
Uncommon: 27/80 (W: 3 U: 3 B: 5 R: 7 G: 5 C: 7)
Common: 25/101 (W: 6 U: 3 B: 4 R: 3 G: 2 C: 7)
Dovin (or Tez, but I think it'll be Dovin) will be our final mythic in the set, giving blue a total of 5 mythics. From that I can assume Revolt will have 1-2 blue mythics in it, for balance (Tez and one other, probably)
There are 24 missing rares from the set. I think we will see two more enemy color legends (leaving BG out), some form of sweeper (likely in white, an artifact version of Planar Outburst), and I have no idea about the rest
Standard - Some kind of control
Modern - UB Mill (casual)
EDH - Meren's Grave Shenanigans
making Dovin without U in his color id would break from Wizards history with the Vedalken tribe, namely that all Vedalkens printed thus far have had U in their color id. Also, the Consulate is WU aligned, if I'm not mistaken, making him WU or U would make the most sense
Standard - Some kind of control
Modern - UB Mill (casual)
EDH - Meren's Grave Shenanigans
Standard - Some kind of control
Modern - UB Mill (casual)
EDH - Meren's Grave Shenanigans
10 - Inspired Charge
71 - Aetherborn Marauder
91 - Maulfist Squad
128 - Ruinous Gremlin
129 - Salivating Gremlins
179 - Dovin Baan
190 - Whirler Virtuoso
199 - Bomat Courier
231 - Scrapheap Scrounger
Perhaps the art used for Himmat Neela is the GW uncommon?
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