Snapcaster and Liliana seem the most obvious lock, as they can't print Tarmogoyf for a third time and expect it to bring in buyers, and Abrupt Decay should be expected with the specific mention of Return to Ravnica. It could also suggest another printing of the 10 Shocklands, but I suspect that they'll keep those in their pocket for the inevitable 3rd trip to Ravnica.
i would buy it for tarmo, i only have 2 of them and dont wanna pay 150 for a piece of paper, i got one back in the future sight days and one in the first modern master set, my box of modern master 2 never made it to my door, so yeah id consider buying one if tarmo is in and if he is out i probably wont buy one.
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I don't think we'll see the shocklands, despite being from Ravnica, 10 rare slots in a masters set is a lot. They're probably more suited for Return to Return to Ravnica.
I'm all for that earlier March 17th date. Bring it on. I wish they'd do MM every year prices keep creeping up as supply dwindles.
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I said for WotC, these sets are always a success. I doubt a distributor or store would say no if WotC offered to sell them a case of any modern masters or eternal masters type set. If they sit on store shelves, why would WotC care as they've already profited off it. As for the product lingering on store shelves, if a store is successful it does not care about that as the price will gradually go up over time and inevitably sell. Stores can also discount stuff if they really wanted to move it or offer it up as a prize in a tournament that people will happily pay entry fee for. You can ALWAYS move a box of any product in MTG, as someone out there is willing to buy it on the internet as well since there are sold listings for eternal masters and MMA 2015 today, yesterday, and pretty much every day. So don't give me "oh product is sitting unsold" as an excuse when there are people willing to pay for boxes in the market.
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Surprised noone threw out the typical "Damnation reprint!".
I would bet money that Damnation will be printed in Hour of Devastation. It seems like a thematic win, especially with Gods around.....
Not a chance Damantion will see standard printing again IMO. WotC does not want 4 mana unconditional sweepers, which I think is a good thing. Maybe another Languish type card(or Crux of Fate)
I just hope they don't garbage up the set by printing chaff at uncommon/common like in MM2 or putting in incredibly *****ty widely available dual lands like in EMA.
Not happy I was hoping they would finally print this sort of set as unlimited print run without the "premium" card in every pack and cost $3.99 a booster.
Its like they have replaced core sets (where they used to do reprints) with MM and jacked the price up
I can't wait to draft a new modern masters format to be honest. Say what you want about the expected value I've always had a blast drafting these sets. MM1 I drafted a handful of times and played Affinity and Storm. MM2 I drafted a decent amount and was quite fond of building a U/G Thrumming Bird deck, I got pretty good at it at GP Vegas and made out like a bandit. I'm sure MM3 will be just as fun. Anyway not sure why you would bother cracking these packs outside of draft either. You were always better off buying the handful of singles you need instead of cracking a box for a hodgepodge of stuff you don't. Most magic financial speculators said that from the beginning. The $10 price range was actually partly to deter this and to deter inexperienced players from getting in over there skill level.
Side note, I'm sure Wizards took the overwhelming amount of complaints from the value mongers after MM2 into consideration when designing MM3. Should be somewhere closer to the value in MM1 this time around. Just hope it doesn't make the draft worse as a result though.
It might end up biting wizards in the ass in the future because consumer demand is what ultimately affects all this. If too much product that retailers purchase as inventory remains unsold for too long a period, it makes them wary of loading up on future similar products. Retailers purchase the masters set due to hype. If a trend emerges(which already appears to be on its way starting with mm15 and continuing with EMA) that the masters reprints constantly remains on shelves unsold, then thatll affect how much retailers may want to purchase for future masters sets because unused products pose an inventory cost and opportunity cost for other products not being displayed. Either wizards actions in that situation would be thst they 1) end up discontinuing the masters product line or 2) they lower msrp or 3) decide to include more and better reprints to affect demand.
I doubt you studied under accounting but the conocept of inventory cost and opportunity costs for display is a very real factor that any successful retailer considers.
It might end up biting wizards in the ass in the future because consumer demand is what ultimately affects all this. If too much product that retailers purchase as inventory remains unsold for too long a period, it makes them wary of loading up on future similar products. Retailers purchase the masters set due to hype. If a trend emerges(which already appears to be on its way starting with mm15 and continuing with EMA) that the masters reprints constantly remains on shelves unsold, then thatll affect how much retailers may want to purchase for future masters sets because unused products pose an inventory cost and opportunity cost for other products not being displayed. Either wizards actions in that situation would be thst they 1) end up discontinuing the masters product line or 2) they lower msrp or 3) decide to include more and better reprints to affect demand.
I doubt you studied under accounting but the conocept of inventory cost and opportunity costs for display is a very real factor that any successful retailer considers.
This. I actually think it`s reasonable to expect MM17 to be a decent if not huge improvement from MM15 for these reasons, and the fact that MM15 was so poorly received. They are still struggling to balance it out and get it right, and they probably will get better at it for each attempt. A middle point between MM15`s availabilty and MM1`s value would be great.
I also think that they might (and should) skip Tarmogoyf this time. It still needs to be cheaper, yes, but the guy just sucks so much value out of the rest of the set. Chase mythics will probably be LotV and Snapcaster Mage as two of the most valuable cards, maybe supplemented by Damnation, Noble Hierarch and Voice as rares, which leaves more value to be distributed in the rest of the set. I guess the problem with these sets is that when they have added the couple of cards we feel that they must add, the EV is already getting high and they need to skimp on the rest of the set.
Just give us some value in the uncommon/common slots too this time for crying out loud, and make the non-great rares less abysmal.
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Surprised noone threw out the typical "Damnation reprint!".
I would bet money that Damnation will be printed in Hour of Devastation. It seems like a thematic win, especially with Gods around.....
Not a chance Damantion will see standard printing again IMO. WotC does not want 4 mana unconditional sweepers, which I think is a good thing. Maybe another Languish type card(or Crux of Fate)
I think the bigger strike against Damnation being reprinted in a Standard-legal set is the "can't be regenerated" clause since Wiz isn't supporting that mechanic anymore.
Damnation has a higher chance of being reprinted in a supplementary set than a normal Standard set. As for fetches, don't dream. Fetches sell an entire block. Plus, it's crucial to land fixing (yes it's considered a dual). They won't be so stupid to sell it in a supplementary set. Be glad coz if they didn't, the lands would be more expensive.
I'm expecting a change of art in Snapcaster (maybe promo art) as well as a bump in rarity. Not because I want it, but because Wizards will exploit this.
Having said that, they do need to bring a little confidence into the public. There's a need to be more aggressive reprinting of chase cards.
Except like I said any box of magic can be sold on ebay at virtually any time. If the retailer is making poor business decisions that's their problem. MMA 2015 may be *****ty, but look it still sells for $250 a box on ebay right now. I'm well aware of the concept of inventory having studied economics and working at an LGS personally. If the master sets don't sell well one time let's say for WotC. That is the easiest problem in the world to fix. They simply juice up the next master set to the point that consumers can't resist buying the set as much as possible and retailers can't get enough. Just think of how crazy people would go for a set loaded with staples where every mythic slot goes to something akin to tarmogoyf, snapcaster, clique, damnation, and over half the rares are staples that people have been begging to be reprinted. Retailers couldn't get enough product for such a set if they tried.
As for WotC, I doubt they even care if they have to print less of a given set because that means they can use the printers for other sets as they are working their printers super hard, which is a nice problem to have when it comes to their cardboard crack.
Damnation reprint is not happening in standard. That has been obvious for a long time, yet wishes > logic apparently. Could happen here though.
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Except like I said any box of magic can be sold on ebay at virtually any time. If the retailer is making poor business decisions that's their problem. MMA 2015 may be *****ty, but look it still sells for $250 a box on ebay right now. I'm well aware of the concept of inventory having studied economics and working at an LGS personally. If the master sets don't sell well one time let's say for WotC. That is the easiest problem in the world to fix. They simply juice up the next master set to the point that consumers can't resist buying the set as much as possible and retailers can't get enough. Just think of how crazy people would go for a set loaded with staples where every mythic slot goes to something akin to tarmogoyf, snapcaster, clique, damnation, and over half the rares are staples that people have been begging to be reprinted. Retailers couldn't get enough product for such a set if they tried.
As for WotC, I doubt they even care if they have to print less of a given set because that means they can use the printers for other sets as they are working their printers super hard, which is a nice problem to have when it comes to their cardboard crack.
Damnation reprint is not happening in standard. That has been obvious
Just because a retailer can list their unsold, overpriced masters products online doesnt mean it will actually sold. Ive seen the same eternal masters boxes available for 238 plus free amazon prime shipping online for the past month, and it still hasnt sold. That means the demand isnt there because the product isnt worth the msrp.
Yes I already stated that wizards could simply increase the value of the cards in the set to move the packs. However, thr issue is thry havent and it shows in how much unsold ema and mm2015 products are still everywhere at msrp. Mm1 sold that well not because it was a masters set. It sold that well ecause the ev of the contents for a box is literally the EV of EMA AND mm2015 combined still.
Also lmao i doubt u even passed economics. Its a good thing if they ave to print less? That means their ROI on the cost of R&D is far lower. Research is a sunk cost. They less they sell and print the higer their marginal costs become. Did you get your econ degree from clown college?
Damnation has a higher chance of being reprinted in a supplementary set than a normal Standard set. As for fetches, don't dream. Fetches sell an entire block. Plus, it's crucial to land fixing (yes it's considered a dual). They won't be so stupid to sell it in a supplementary set. Be glad coz if they didn't, the lands would be more expensive.
I'm expecting a change of art in Snapcaster (maybe promo art) as well as a bump in rarity. Not because I want it, but because Wizards will exploit this.
Having said that, they do need to bring a little confidence into the public. There's a need to be more aggressive reprinting of chase cards.
I'd put money on the Zen fetches being in the 2017 standard set. The battlelands from BFZ will have rotated out, and the names even fit the plane.
Personally hoping they reprint Snapcaster at rare, it would stay relatively high like Noble Hierarch.
Naw. That happened to mm1 because of how much value there was. A pack of mm1 has an EV higher than ema and mm2015 combined still (http://mtg.dawnglare.com/?p=sets). A msrp of 7 would prob be fine for mm15 and ema considering how much trash are in both, while mm1 should deffo have an msrp of 10+ considering how relatively few jank rares there were comparatively. (It also helps that mm1 used a better foiling process than what mm2015 used.)
Wizards could easily increase the value of thr contents by 10-20% from ema or mm15 and it still wouldnt be sold for above msrp. As is, they are left with a bad over priced product without a clear goal.
Just because a retailer can list their unsold, overpriced masters products online doesnt mean it will actually sold. Ive seen the same eternal masters boxes available for 238 plus free amazon prime shipping online for the past month, and it still hasnt sold. That means the demand isnt there because the product isnt worth the msrp.
Yes I already stated that wizards could simply increase the value of the cards in the set to move the packs. However, thr issue is thry havent and it shows in how much unsold ema and mm2015 products are still everywhere at msrp. Mm1 sold that well not because it was a masters set. It sold that well ecause the ev of the contents for a box is literally the EV of EMA AND mm2015 combined still.
Also lmao i doubt u even passed economics. Its a good thing if they ave to print less? That means their ROI on the cost of R&D is far lower. Research is a sunk cost. They less they sell and print the higer their marginal costs become. Did you get your econ degree from clown college?
If they increase the value it will not be seen at MRSP and people will complain about it. No matter how Wizards will go on with Master sets: People will complain. One way or the other.
My only complaint is that it is nearly impossible to get where I live (Gothenburg, Sweden, a city with 800k residents), heck, I'd accept being able to get any of the "masters" sets from any of the dozen or so online Swedish retailers, but that is just not happening, and it is friggin' annoying. (And no, I can't just get it from an international retailer as the freight costs puts it outside of my economic capabilities.)
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It's about time for the reserved list to die, for the sake of Vintage and Legacy (And Commander).
Just because a retailer can list their unsold, overpriced masters products online doesnt mean it will actually sold. Ive seen the same eternal masters boxes available for 238 plus free amazon prime shipping online for the past month, and it still hasnt sold. That means the demand isnt there because the product isnt worth the msrp.
Yes I already stated that wizards could simply increase the value of the cards in the set to move the packs. However, thr issue is thry havent and it shows in how much unsold ema and mm2015 products are still everywhere at msrp. Mm1 sold that well not because it was a masters set. It sold that well ecause the ev of the contents for a box is literally the EV of EMA AND mm2015 combined still.
Also lmao i doubt u even passed economics. Its a good thing if they ave to print less? That means their ROI on the cost of R&D is far lower. Research is a sunk cost. They less they sell and print the higer their marginal costs become. Did you get your econ degree from clown college?
If they increase the value it will not be seen at MRSP and people will complain about it. No matter how Wizards will go on with Master sets: People will complain. One way or the other.
My only complaint is that it is nearly impossible to get where I live (Gothenburg, Sweden, a city with 800k residents), heck, I'd accept being able to get any of the "masters" sets from any of the dozen or so online Swedish retailers, but that is just not happening, and it is friggin' annoying. (And no, I can't just get it from an international retailer as the freight costs puts it outside of my economic capabilities.)
All wizards has to do is make masters editions available at any retail store. Then you will be able to pay for your $10 pack anywhere. Then you can print cards at any rarity you want to. Cards like Æther Vial or Sensei's Divining Top could be uncommon. They could actually do it right now still just putting them in LGS's they just lie to us all of the time and make up reasons why they can't upset the balance. If they find out anything when they reprint things. The balance is off because they aren't reprinting enough cards. Karakas went from $150 to $50 because it's not really worth the $150. It just had never been printed in over 20 years.
If masters editions are really rewards to LGS's to make some extra cash then they should be more packed with value like modern masters 1. So what if the msrp is $10. Then your lgs charges $20 a booster pack. Would you really care if the potential cards in the pack were good enough at uncommon rarity to warrant the price of the booster pack? I know plenty of people who wouldn't. You can have at uncommon Aether Vial, Aven Mindcensor,Beast Within, Beseech the Queen, Boros Charm, Choke,Chromatic Star, Counterbalance, Cursecatcher, Dryad Arbor, Eternal Witness and many more cards that are uncommons in modern that are priced high. It's super easy to value pack a masters set. Wizards just needs to reprint more cards more often. They currently have the reprint speed set way too low.
It's so easy to make a all reprint magic set. All you have to do is put 100% value cards at rare and mythic. Pick out the rares and mythics to put into booster pacts if by far the stupidly easily. Do a price search you now have 68 rares to shove into $10 booster packs that are worth opening. Then you can proceed to put whatever else you want in commons and uncommons. Since most of the time draft functions completely based off of those cards.
This is the eternal masters break down.
101 commons, 80 uncommons, 53 rares, 15 mythic rare
I guarantee that there is some price limit on the maximum amount of reprint value set designers are allowed to but into products these days. It's just not publicly put out there. At this point I'm open to the full on Yu-gi-oh / pokemon test for magic the gathering. Put the reprint level on full till for a year and see if the game survives. If it does it's worth keeping around. If not I'm sure we all have other hobbies.
That was not what I was complaining about at all. My complaint was about availability in Scandinavia (Sweden in particular) which is non-existent. It is poor marketing on their part to hype a set up and then make it unavailable in a market. It would be like them hyping up a set filled with power cards, but only printing enough for one booster box and making that box available only in a shop in friggin Timbuktu.
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There's nothing mythic about Snapcaster Mage. It's just a very good card.
There's nothing mythic about Tarmogoyf either, and yet it is. We saw plenty of cards in EMA be bumped up in rarity only because of price and Snapcaster fits that. I can only hope Snapcaster isn't mythic, but it seems so much better to expect the worst case scenario than hope for the best.
What? No. You guys have misunderstood Mythic rarity.
A mythic rare is a rare with a mythic feeling. And what is a mythic feeling? Think huge Dragons, Planeswalkers, legendary creatures, cards that do something never seen before.
Snapcaster Mage falls out of all the above chategories. Snapcaster is a really good card that does something we've seen many times before and thus it was not mythic when it was printed. Tarmogoyf never had a chance to be mythic, because it was printed in Time Spiral block and mythic rare was introduced in Shards of Alara. Tarmogoyf does something no other card has done before and as such CAN be justified as a mythic although it isn't shiny or cool at all.
Vengevine and Voice of Resurgence was also somewhat of a stretch but they did something completely unique.
What you have to understand is that power level is also a factor. Not only that, but in reprint sets like MM, scarcity and price are also factors. If a card is close to $100 for example, or hasn't been reprinted in a set in years, they're likely to put it at mythic for a number of reasons, like turning it into a chase card and increasing circulation without actually bringing the price down very much.
i would buy it for tarmo, i only have 2 of them and dont wanna pay 150 for a piece of paper, i got one back in the future sight days and one in the first modern master set, my box of modern master 2 never made it to my door, so yeah id consider buying one if tarmo is in and if he is out i probably wont buy one.
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I like that list, maybe Chord of Calling and dreadbore at rare as well?
Maybe Path to exile, terminate, lightning helix and boros charm as value uncommons?
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Not a chance Damantion will see standard printing again IMO. WotC does not want 4 mana unconditional sweepers, which I think is a good thing. Maybe another Languish type card(or Crux of Fate)
And watch them reprint snapcaster Mage for mythic and I feel they'll reprint Tarmogoyf again and get it to $100 from the current $125
Its like they have replaced core sets (where they used to do reprints) with MM and jacked the price up
Side note, I'm sure Wizards took the overwhelming amount of complaints from the value mongers after MM2 into consideration when designing MM3. Should be somewhere closer to the value in MM1 this time around. Just hope it doesn't make the draft worse as a result though.
I doubt you studied under accounting but the conocept of inventory cost and opportunity costs for display is a very real factor that any successful retailer considers.
I also think that they might (and should) skip Tarmogoyf this time. It still needs to be cheaper, yes, but the guy just sucks so much value out of the rest of the set. Chase mythics will probably be LotV and Snapcaster Mage as two of the most valuable cards, maybe supplemented by Damnation, Noble Hierarch and Voice as rares, which leaves more value to be distributed in the rest of the set. I guess the problem with these sets is that when they have added the couple of cards we feel that they must add, the EV is already getting high and they need to skimp on the rest of the set.
Just give us some value in the uncommon/common slots too this time for crying out loud, and make the non-great rares less abysmal.
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I think the bigger strike against Damnation being reprinted in a Standard-legal set is the "can't be regenerated" clause since Wiz isn't supporting that mechanic anymore.
I'm expecting a change of art in Snapcaster (maybe promo art) as well as a bump in rarity. Not because I want it, but because Wizards will exploit this.
Having said that, they do need to bring a little confidence into the public. There's a need to be more aggressive reprinting of chase cards.
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Damnation reprint is not happening in standard. That has been obvious for a long time, yet wishes > logic apparently. Could happen here though.
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Just because a retailer can list their unsold, overpriced masters products online doesnt mean it will actually sold. Ive seen the same eternal masters boxes available for 238 plus free amazon prime shipping online for the past month, and it still hasnt sold. That means the demand isnt there because the product isnt worth the msrp.
Yes I already stated that wizards could simply increase the value of the cards in the set to move the packs. However, thr issue is thry havent and it shows in how much unsold ema and mm2015 products are still everywhere at msrp. Mm1 sold that well not because it was a masters set. It sold that well ecause the ev of the contents for a box is literally the EV of EMA AND mm2015 combined still.
Also lmao i doubt u even passed economics. Its a good thing if they ave to print less? That means their ROI on the cost of R&D is far lower. Research is a sunk cost. They less they sell and print the higer their marginal costs become. Did you get your econ degree from clown college?
I'd put money on the Zen fetches being in the 2017 standard set. The battlelands from BFZ will have rotated out, and the names even fit the plane.
Personally hoping they reprint Snapcaster at rare, it would stay relatively high like Noble Hierarch.
Wizards could easily increase the value of thr contents by 10-20% from ema or mm15 and it still wouldnt be sold for above msrp. As is, they are left with a bad over priced product without a clear goal.
My only complaint is that it is nearly impossible to get where I live (Gothenburg, Sweden, a city with 800k residents), heck, I'd accept being able to get any of the "masters" sets from any of the dozen or so online Swedish retailers, but that is just not happening, and it is friggin' annoying. (And no, I can't just get it from an international retailer as the freight costs puts it outside of my economic capabilities.)
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That was not what I was complaining about at all. My complaint was about availability in Scandinavia (Sweden in particular) which is non-existent. It is poor marketing on their part to hype a set up and then make it unavailable in a market. It would be like them hyping up a set filled with power cards, but only printing enough for one booster box and making that box available only in a shop in friggin Timbuktu.
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There's nothing mythic about Tarmogoyf either, and yet it is. We saw plenty of cards in EMA be bumped up in rarity only because of price and Snapcaster fits that. I can only hope Snapcaster isn't mythic, but it seems so much better to expect the worst case scenario than hope for the best.
This, please. I'm tired of having to play timeshifted or whitebordered cards in Modern because they haven't been properly reprinted.
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I am waiting for this for many years. This is the only missing piece for my Modern Merfolk deck...
Anything, but nothing at the moment...
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