That goes to show you how one man's perception can differ from another. So you are saying you'd pay 200 for four, sleeve them, and feel confident enough in your investment and financial safety to take those cards and probably a couple hundred mores worth to modern night at an lgs?
Considering I play with my Fetches, Shocks, Snaps, Cryptics, and assorted other former Tier 1 URx staples....yes?
I mean, people do play with these cards you know? It's just money, if you're scared you'll be on the street if you buy a play set, you should probably do something more mature with your funds.
This is probably a subject for another thread, but I've explained a long time ago my reasons for not carrying around highly expensive magic cards. It has nothing to do with "being put on the street because of being poor". It has to do with financial security of a card game with little to no way of recovering or identifying stolen property. I've had things stolen that were far more traceable than an MTG deck and never heard word from the police on recovering the stolen items, such as a first gen 3ds that actually had my name engraved. Magic cards have no identifying features. If someone were to run in at you with a mask and gloves, smack you to the wall and run off with your deck into the night you have a very low chance of ever getting your property back even if that guy was the stupidest thief on earth. That and you are taking it to a high risk location with people coming from out of town you know nothing about when you are engaging in competitive play. So unless someone is really trying to aim for a GP or high level tournament, getting a deck full of 50+ dollar cards is a steep investment with low return and high risk. It's not even comparable to buying professional equipment for sports like hockey because at least those you can put identifying marks on and they are bulky as heck, and even other collectable items like collectors edition video games such as the world of warcraft legion box set is not as high risk as it doesn't usually leave your personal property.
These are the aspects that people on this forum fall deaf to. They don't realize that when you buy into a game that you take frequently to a public place it entails far more risk financially than other forms of games and having "staples" priced at 50 usd or more given those risks definitely does warrant placing them into the firmly collectable cards that someone should keep locked in a safe place and use proxies in the live version.
Tying this into MM2017, that is one good thing about this set: It drives the prices down on the rares and mythics printed in it so that cards that are high risk due to inflated value become less of a problem to play.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Well, you are right, it is probably (it is) off topic, but I'm Canadian, have exactly ZERO fear of getting mugged for some cards, and would hardly weep if such a thing was even remotely possible in my city.
Perhaps invest in some Muay Thai training, though the monthly fee would cost several Nobles.
More off topic, but I've had my car broken into a few times. I've lost a host of CDs and some rare tapes, a bit of money in tools, a first gen Ipod Classic. Each time I had MTG cards that weren't touched. Once I had my 1K plus modern deck in the car. It was moved, but not taken. While more people know about MTG and know that some cards hold value, it's hard to pawn MTG, so most of the people that would rob you don't want MTG. I feel more comfortable carrying my MTG decks around at GPs than a few hundred in my wallet. While MTG is fairly liquid inside it's own community, and becoming more so as the game grows, most people still just see cardboard with no value outside of "Nerds". It's the same way with D&D books. I have a friend with a near complete D&D 3.5 library who had his house broken into. They didn't touch the stuff even though the value of the collection far out strips the value of what was taken. The issue is it's hard to move. Most people who would rob want things that are quick flips, as they are usually in need of fast cash. Be it for drugs, alcohol, gambling debts, it doesn't matter. They don't have the time to find a shop willing to take the cards, let alone ebay and TCGplayer. The people that will steal your cards are people at your LGS, or in other words, other MTG players, not the guy on the street corner looking for a fix.
As for MM17, what do people think of all the conspiracy theories floating around on youtube right now? I find it interesting that Wizards has cultivated this right after reducing it's Modern event support.
Also IIRC, no way to hate on 4 colour decks, no Tectonic Edge, no shuffle hate, nothing. Same problem as with the lacking graveyard hate that was definitely part of what got Emrakul banned.
That's very true, we've usually had some way to tackle fetches or other threats in some way. This goes back to the lack of removal/counterspells for so long, up until Aether Revolt, although there could definitely be more of them as of right now so we don't have another banning like we did recently, at least for some time.
The card I'm hoping gets a reprint is Archangel of Thune more so than fetchlands, which I hope don't get reprinted here but in a main set. If they are including Innistrad and RtR than they may go with an angel vs demon theme (we got Griselbrand already confirmed so it seems likely). That also means possibly lots of human support as well in the form of Champion of the Parish and Ranger of Eos. Also, I think they may be going for shards colors given Stoic Angel being in the set. That means things like Noble Hierarch as well.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
As for MM17, what do people think of all the conspiracy theories floating around on youtube right now? I find it interesting that Wizards has cultivated this right after reducing it's Modern event support.
Just that, they're conspiracy theories. Drama and controversy make for the best click-bait; we're living in an age of [mis]information and youtubers are some of the worst culprits. That's not to disparage content creators as a whole, but it's so easy to connect the dots and perpetuate a narrative that simply doesn't exist. WoTC puts out a statement that basically says standard has been taking a backseat to modern, so they're doubling down on the promotion of standard and cutting modern support. Naturally, that must mean modern is dying on its death bed and WoTC is lurking in the shadows, ready to smother it with a pillow. How did I arrive at this conclusion? Well, you just need to keep digging and the truth will eventually reveal itself...
Cutting modern support: This is obviously a subtle homage to another conspiracy. Modern buildings have supports. Those supports are mostly made out of steel. Everybody knows jet fuel can't melt Darksteel beams, so how does WoTC plan to cut those supports? With something that's been right in front of you the whole time: MM17. M is the 13th letter in the alphabet, so M + M = 26 and 26 -17 = 9. What's the standard width of a pillow? 11". What's MaRo's sleep number setting? 11. That's right, add it all up and you get 9/11.
Now I'm just asking questions, but I think we all know what's going on here...
All they have to do to cut modern support is to stop supporting official tournament play. If they do that then the format turns into what legacy is eventually because the only people supporting modern would be third party. Also, just because this could be the final modern masters does not mean they are going to stop printing historic cards. The question is more so how they will go about doing it. Right now Magic is going through change just like Pokemon is in how print runs are handled. We live in an age where reprinting is becoming more and more a constant, and if hasbro's influence grows in Wizards of the Coast we are probably looking at reprintings of entire past blocks eventually.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
modern lives on in commander , which is what the majority of active parties are playing currently.it's casual but allows you to draw from a huge card pool much like modern. this is probably one of the chief reasons popularity is as high as it is. "modern" isn't a reference to the format but rather the card itself. it is a reference to the card layout and the current history of the new cards.
magic, in there 2013 statement showed rough estimates that revealed atleast 3/4 of their fan base play at home casually, while only 1/4 play at stores and tournaments.
this set will have a great draft environment no doubt about it, but once the dust settles after drafting, those very same players go to work brewing some strange new commander deck to use these cards. This will be the sole deciding factor on which magic chooses the cards for the set, and if they have room they might just throw something in there for the modern format.
magic knows what sells cards, it's commander not modern format.
so far all 3 cards interest me, I'm a new post m15 player and excited to get my hands on domri and the angel. return value worries me little, I'm not trying to be an investor and break even on the box, I wanna crack interesting and exciting cards that I can build and play with, so far I'm happy with what I see.
You think it's possible we get Tron? Would like to see modern framed black bordered Tron. Would also be a good place for an Ancient Stirrings reprint. Definitely needs it at its price.
Since the Modern Masters series is a draftable set, I can't see a reprint of the Urza's lands at common because is to powerfull.
Furthermore, if they reprinted them at uncommon, they would be a dead card in draft and anger anyone who opens them.
source (mm15 but same reasons for mm17) : https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/2oqsoz/cmv_urzatron_wont_be_in_mm2015_because_it_is/
I reckon a colorless commander deck isn't too far out, now that Wastes are a thing. Such a deck should have the Urzalands in new frames, but supply would be slim due to the singleton format.
You think it's possible we get Tron? Would like to see modern framed black bordered Tron. Would also be a good place for an Ancient Stirrings reprint. Definitely needs it at its price.
Since the Modern Masters series is a draftable set, I can't see a reprint of the Urza's lands at common because is to powerfull.
Furthermore, if they reprinted them at uncommon, they would be a dead card in draft and anger anyone who opens them.
source (mm15 but same reasons for mm17) : https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/2oqsoz/cmv_urzatron_wont_be_in_mm2015_because_it_is/
How would Tron would be "too powerful" at common in a set that features high profile reprints, powerful cards, and downshifts in rarity, sometimes all the way down from rare? Not only you would need to manage to draft at least one of each, but to actually draw and play all of them and also draft and draw your payoff big spells.
You think it's possible we get Tron? Would like to see modern framed black bordered Tron. Would also be a good place for an Ancient Stirrings reprint. Definitely needs it at its price.
Since the Modern Masters series is a draftable set, I can't see a reprint of the Urza's lands at common because is to powerfull.
Furthermore, if they reprinted them at uncommon, they would be a dead card in draft and anger anyone who opens them.
source (mm15 but same reasons for mm17) : https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/2oqsoz/cmv_urzatron_wont_be_in_mm2015_because_it_is/
How would Tron would be "too powerful" at common in a set that features high profile reprints, powerful cards, and downshifts in rarity, sometimes all the way down from rare? Not only you would need to manage to draft at least one of each, but to actually draw and play all of them and also draft and draw your payoff big spells.
Do that many people honestly draft these Masters sets? It seems like very few do for a variety of reasons, but the biggest reason being price point and availability. My LGS has a pretty strong player base for being in suburban-ish Ohio; we actually had two Legacy FNMS fire these last two weeks and that's been pretty exciting. However, I still had a tough time drafting EM & MM15 because some folks just thought the markup was absurd. I suppose that an increased print run could very well change that, but as of now that's still hearsay. WoTC/Hasbro always leaves a bad taste in my mouth when they cite limited as a reason why something was/was not included in a specialty set; it just seems like a very convenient excuse. With that being said, I'd love to see new tron lands.
You think it's possible we get Tron? Would like to see modern framed black bordered Tron. Would also be a good place for an Ancient Stirrings reprint. Definitely needs it at its price.
Since the Modern Masters series is a draftable set, I can't see a reprint of the Urza's lands at common because is to powerfull.
Furthermore, if they reprinted them at uncommon, they would be a dead card in draft and anger anyone who opens them.
source (mm15 but same reasons for mm17) : https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/2oqsoz/cmv_urzatron_wont_be_in_mm2015_because_it_is/
How would Tron would be "too powerful" at common in a set that features high profile reprints, powerful cards, and downshifts in rarity, sometimes all the way down from rare? Not only you would need to manage to draft at least one of each, but to actually draw and play all of them and also draft and draw your payoff big spells.
Do that many people honestly draft these Masters sets? It seems like very few do for a variety of reasons, but the biggest reason being price point and availability. My LGS has a pretty strong player base for being in suburban-ish Ohio; we actually had two Legacy FNMS fire these last two weeks and that's been pretty exciting. However, I still had a tough time drafting EM & MM15 because some folks just thought the markup was absurd. I suppose that an increased print run could very well change that, but as of now that's still hearsay. WoTC/Hasbro always leaves a bad taste in my mouth when they cite limited as a reason why something was/was not included in a specialty set; it just seems like a very convenient excuse. With that being said, I'd love to see new tron lands.
WOTC designed these sets specifically to be drafted and designed them with the main emphasis on drafting. The previous sets were drafted when the supply was there to do so. My LGS still has MM2013 packs but at $30/pack now... I doubt anyone would draft it there. IF the run is 5x MM2015 as expected, we will likely see significant drafting
You think it's possible we get Tron? Would like to see modern framed black bordered Tron. Would also be a good place for an Ancient Stirrings reprint. Definitely needs it at its price.
Since the Modern Masters series is a draftable set, I can't see a reprint of the Urza's lands at common because is to powerfull.
Furthermore, if they reprinted them at uncommon, they would be a dead card in draft and anger anyone who opens them.
source (mm15 but same reasons for mm17) : https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/2oqsoz/cmv_urzatron_wont_be_in_mm2015_because_it_is/
How would Tron would be "too powerful" at common in a set that features high profile reprints, powerful cards, and downshifts in rarity, sometimes all the way down from rare? Not only you would need to manage to draft at least one of each, but to actually draw and play all of them and also draft and draw your payoff big spells.
There is an easy solution to that.
Mine and power-plant printed at common and tower printed at uncommon.
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I'm hopeful. I think we are all overly critical of Wizards, I've got a ton of reprints from the 2 Modern Masters or Commander releases, they have a decent idea of what they are doing.
If we get a bunch if Inn/RTR cards in the set neither of which are even that old, it will be a good set.
Snaps, Lily, Grisel, Breach, Goryos, Goblin Guide, just speculation on that. But there is a good core there for some fun.
I'm hopeful. I think we are all overly critical of Wizards, I've got a ton of reprints from the 2 Modern Masters or Commander releases, they have a decent idea of what they are doing.
If we get a bunch if Inn/RTR cards in the set neither of which are even that old, it will be a good set.
Snaps, Lily, Grisel, Breach, Goryos, Goblin Guide, just speculation on that. But there is a good core there for some fun.
MM15 had 26 tournament playable cards between rares and mythics.
MM13 had 34 tournament playable cards between rares and mythics.
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I'm hopeful. I think we are all overly critical of Wizards, I've got a ton of reprints from the 2 Modern Masters or Commander releases, they have a decent idea of what they are doing.
If we get a bunch if Inn/RTR cards in the set neither of which are even that old, it will be a good set.
Snaps, Lily, Grisel, Breach, Goryos, Goblin Guide, just speculation on that. But there is a good core there for some fun.
MM15 had 26 tournament playable cards between rares and mythics. out of 229 for a 26% playable and the rest not playable in the constructed format
MM13 had 34 tournament playable cards between rares and mythics.
Actually MM13 had 60 playable cards total seen in modern main deck and sideboard out of 229 for a 26% playable and the rest not playable in the constructed format
MM15 had a grand total of 40 total playable cards seen in modern main and sideboard out of 249 for a 16% playable and the rest not playable in the constructed format
Well, on the subject of whether to buy modern masters 2017 sealed: if someone intends to draft now is a good time to buy because the cost is low and it will have good cards. If someone plays constructed don't buy sealed. We don't know the card distribution of constructed playable cards and if it turns into modern masters 2015 the sequel there will be a lot of chaff. I know this is common knowledge to constructed players, but with sealed product being deflated in cost I'm figuring someone out there will make the mistake.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Yeah the low price on TCG player right now is $182.70 for a booster box of modern masters 2017 or $7.61 a pack. If you actually want to buy it now would probably be the time to buy a sealed box for drafting. Don't buy it to open for value you won't get your money back. I suggest not buying it at all because it's a waste of money but that is up to you the consumer. You could do a normal standard draft with prizes for $4 a pack, or draft with friends for $2.50 a pack any standard set.
Just to give an example of how much money you are instantly losing by buying this product. In order to not lose a lot of money some people on ebay are pre-selling opened booster packs for drafting. Were they take out the good $$$ rares and replace them with bad rares. So you would still get to draft the set but all of your rares will be junk. $79.95 MM17 booster box repack pre-sale going on right now. A sealed Aether Revolt - Booster Box can be purchased for $90.
That and its better to just get singles and not to mention due to magic no longer doing pro tour modern.
All of the $50(+) cards may end up going down to the 17(+) (except for one with limited printings. Likesomecards
I'm also suspicious of the print run because wizards hasn't said anything about the set being wpn only and the distributors are openly allowing non-wpn locations to get allocations. Those two facts give support to the rumor of a large print run.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
I'd be interesting to see what effect a big box store getting an allocation would be. It could be like the Commander products where they get cleaned out for being the lowest price, while the rest of the market stays high (think Mind Seize and Breed Lethality). Or it could force the price to remain low until the stock runs out. It's closely tied to print run, but even then I don't think people will be quick to forget the second wave of Eternal Masters. If we do see a low print run, I think many will shy away expecting the second wave hit. The box prices will be interesting to watch as time goes on, especially if the set has any real value.
You think it's possible we get Tron? Would like to see modern framed black bordered Tron. Would also be a good place for an Ancient Stirrings reprint. Definitely needs it at its price.
Since the Modern Masters series is a draftable set, I can't see a reprint of the Urza's lands at common because is to powerfull.
Furthermore, if they reprinted them at uncommon, they would be a dead card in draft and anger anyone who opens them.
source (mm15 but same reasons for mm17) : https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/2oqsoz/cmv_urzatron_wont_be_in_mm2015_because_it_is/
How would Tron would be "too powerful" at common in a set that features high profile reprints, powerful cards, and downshifts in rarity, sometimes all the way down from rare? Not only you would need to manage to draft at least one of each, but to actually draw and play all of them and also draft and draw your payoff big spells.
There is an easy solution to that.
Mine and power-plant printed at common and tower printed at uncommon.
While a good an elegant solution, all of them could easily still be common. Like I said, you have to actually draft them and then play them and your big payoff card before you're actually dead at the hands of individually good and efficient cards, or otherwise they're basically Wastes.
This is probably a subject for another thread, but I've explained a long time ago my reasons for not carrying around highly expensive magic cards. It has nothing to do with "being put on the street because of being poor". It has to do with financial security of a card game with little to no way of recovering or identifying stolen property. I've had things stolen that were far more traceable than an MTG deck and never heard word from the police on recovering the stolen items, such as a first gen 3ds that actually had my name engraved. Magic cards have no identifying features. If someone were to run in at you with a mask and gloves, smack you to the wall and run off with your deck into the night you have a very low chance of ever getting your property back even if that guy was the stupidest thief on earth. That and you are taking it to a high risk location with people coming from out of town you know nothing about when you are engaging in competitive play. So unless someone is really trying to aim for a GP or high level tournament, getting a deck full of 50+ dollar cards is a steep investment with low return and high risk. It's not even comparable to buying professional equipment for sports like hockey because at least those you can put identifying marks on and they are bulky as heck, and even other collectable items like collectors edition video games such as the world of warcraft legion box set is not as high risk as it doesn't usually leave your personal property.
These are the aspects that people on this forum fall deaf to. They don't realize that when you buy into a game that you take frequently to a public place it entails far more risk financially than other forms of games and having "staples" priced at 50 usd or more given those risks definitely does warrant placing them into the firmly collectable cards that someone should keep locked in a safe place and use proxies in the live version.
Tying this into MM2017, that is one good thing about this set: It drives the prices down on the rares and mythics printed in it so that cards that are high risk due to inflated value become less of a problem to play.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
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As for MM17, what do people think of all the conspiracy theories floating around on youtube right now? I find it interesting that Wizards has cultivated this right after reducing it's Modern event support.
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That's very true, we've usually had some way to tackle fetches or other threats in some way. This goes back to the lack of removal/counterspells for so long, up until Aether Revolt, although there could definitely be more of them as of right now so we don't have another banning like we did recently, at least for some time.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Just that, they're conspiracy theories. Drama and controversy make for the best click-bait; we're living in an age of [mis]information and youtubers are some of the worst culprits. That's not to disparage content creators as a whole, but it's so easy to connect the dots and perpetuate a narrative that simply doesn't exist. WoTC puts out a statement that basically says standard has been taking a backseat to modern, so they're doubling down on the promotion of standard and cutting modern support. Naturally, that must mean modern is dying on its death bed and WoTC is lurking in the shadows, ready to smother it with a pillow. How did I arrive at this conclusion? Well, you just need to keep digging and the truth will eventually reveal itself...
Cutting modern support: This is obviously a subtle homage to another conspiracy. Modern buildings have supports. Those supports are mostly made out of steel. Everybody knows jet fuel can't melt Darksteel beams, so how does WoTC plan to cut those supports? With something that's been right in front of you the whole time: MM17. M is the 13th letter in the alphabet, so M + M = 26 and 26 -17 = 9. What's the standard width of a pillow? 11". What's MaRo's sleep number setting? 11. That's right, add it all up and you get 9/11.
Now I'm just asking questions, but I think we all know what's going on here...
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
magic, in there 2013 statement showed rough estimates that revealed atleast 3/4 of their fan base play at home casually, while only 1/4 play at stores and tournaments.
this set will have a great draft environment no doubt about it, but once the dust settles after drafting, those very same players go to work brewing some strange new commander deck to use these cards. This will be the sole deciding factor on which magic chooses the cards for the set, and if they have room they might just throw something in there for the modern format.
magic knows what sells cards, it's commander not modern format.
so far all 3 cards interest me, I'm a new post m15 player and excited to get my hands on domri and the angel. return value worries me little, I'm not trying to be an investor and break even on the box, I wanna crack interesting and exciting cards that I can build and play with, so far I'm happy with what I see.
Since the Modern Masters series is a draftable set, I can't see a reprint of the Urza's lands at common because is to powerfull.
Furthermore, if they reprinted them at uncommon, they would be a dead card in draft and anger anyone who opens them.
source (mm15 but same reasons for mm17) : https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/2oqsoz/cmv_urzatron_wont_be_in_mm2015_because_it_is/
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How would Tron would be "too powerful" at common in a set that features high profile reprints, powerful cards, and downshifts in rarity, sometimes all the way down from rare? Not only you would need to manage to draft at least one of each, but to actually draw and play all of them and also draft and draw your payoff big spells.
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Do that many people honestly draft these Masters sets? It seems like very few do for a variety of reasons, but the biggest reason being price point and availability. My LGS has a pretty strong player base for being in suburban-ish Ohio; we actually had two Legacy FNMS fire these last two weeks and that's been pretty exciting. However, I still had a tough time drafting EM & MM15 because some folks just thought the markup was absurd. I suppose that an increased print run could very well change that, but as of now that's still hearsay. WoTC/Hasbro always leaves a bad taste in my mouth when they cite limited as a reason why something was/was not included in a specialty set; it just seems like a very convenient excuse. With that being said, I'd love to see new tron lands.
Link to Discord server where anybody from MTGS can keep up with thread topics while everything is being sorted out with the new site.
WOTC designed these sets specifically to be drafted and designed them with the main emphasis on drafting. The previous sets were drafted when the supply was there to do so. My LGS still has MM2013 packs but at $30/pack now... I doubt anyone would draft it there. IF the run is 5x MM2015 as expected, we will likely see significant drafting
There is an easy solution to that.
Mine and power-plant printed at common and tower printed at uncommon.
pucatrade
big receipts
alpha mox emerald
beta time walk
4 goyfs received
3 liliana of the veil
4 karn liberated
3 force of will
4 grove of the burnwillows
snapcaster mage
3 horizon canopy
2 full art damnation
If we get a bunch if Inn/RTR cards in the set neither of which are even that old, it will be a good set.
Snaps, Lily, Grisel, Breach, Goryos, Goblin Guide, just speculation on that. But there is a good core there for some fun.
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MM15 had 26 tournament playable cards between rares and mythics.
MM13 had 34 tournament playable cards between rares and mythics.
Some amount of them were less played like scion of oona and mirran crusader.
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Actually MM13 had 60 playable cards total seen in modern main deck and sideboard out of 229 for a 26% playable and the rest not playable in the constructed format
MM15 had a grand total of 40 total playable cards seen in modern main and sideboard out of 249 for a 16% playable and the rest not playable in the constructed format
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
That and its better to just get singles and not to mention due to magic no longer doing pro tour modern.
All of the $50(+) cards may end up going down to the 17(+) (except for one with limited printings. Like some cards
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
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While a good an elegant solution, all of them could easily still be common. Like I said, you have to actually draft them and then play them and your big payoff card before you're actually dead at the hands of individually good and efficient cards, or otherwise they're basically Wastes.
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