YGO isn't cheaper. Investments in YGO are catastrophic. As someone who played it for 12 years and started getting back into it casually lately (I quit when Trishula was banned, had played since LOB before that), I assure you it's the most tenuous investment. Just the other day the game was turned on its head with this new Link nonsense. You'd commend them for slowing down the power creep and floodgate but anyone with as much experience with Konami as I knows they'll cash cow it soon enough. It's a shame, YGO has potential to be great, and in many ways is until Konami gets absurd again.
MTG is the best CCG out there, but I do agree there is room for improvement.
I mean, you either have a game where cards hold no value like YGO or hold too much like in MTG, I prefer the latter, and I think YGO could take a page out of that book. Lately though, I will admit YGO has shown considerable improvement. MTG is delivering Egypt World so they're always giving players what they want and are invested in our demands, so I don't feel MTG is worthy of complaint ATM.
Can I go slightly off-topic for a moment? I've always wondered, does the design and structure of YGH allow for oddball formats like commander, pauper, mini-masters, etc?
The issue at hand is the support of the trinity: distributors, the lgs, and the players.
The reason things have fallen apart lately is that wizards over printed certain products and under printed others in a completely unpredictable fashion.
What does this mean? That wizards didn't know what players wanted out of magic. This hurts your lgs that needs to sell products with a good margin and leaves distributors with surplus stock that ends up having to go somewhere or languish in a warehouse.
With mm2017 Rumored to have 5x the print run of mm2015 let's hope they didn't fill the set with undesirables.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
YGO isn't cheaper. Investments in YGO are catastrophic. As someone who played it for 12 years and started getting back into it casually lately (I quit when Trishula was banned, had played since LOB before that), I assure you it's the most tenuous investment. Just the other day the game was turned on its head with this new Link nonsense. You'd commend them for slowing down the power creep and floodgate but anyone with as much experience with Konami as I knows they'll cash cow it soon enough. It's a shame, YGO has potential to be great, and in many ways is until Konami gets absurd again.
MTG is the best CCG out there, but I do agree there is room for improvement.
I mean, you either have a game where cards hold no value like YGO or hold too much like in MTG, I prefer the latter, and I think YGO could take a page out of that book. Lately though, I will admit YGO has shown considerable improvement. MTG is delivering Egypt World so they're always giving players what they want and are invested in our demands, so I don't feel MTG is worthy of complaint ATM.
Can I go slightly off-topic for a moment? I've always wondered, does the design and structure of YGH allow for oddball formats like commander, pauper, mini-masters, etc?
Yes and no. YGO has casual decks and the ability to be played as tag duels (similar to 2HG), Deck Master (similar to Commander) and even just casual one on one with some decks being capable, but more dialed back either by design, the ban list or by changing times and trends in play.
The problem with YGO is Konami and the player base have limited it to a very narrow, linear competitive environment that stifles out casual play entirely. Konami shoehorns players into this treadmill format with power creep and the ban list as an insidious form of set rotation (you must buy and play the newest cards to win, or if you hope have more than two turns. At times, you'll lose before you even begin your first turn with some of these new decks). Then the players foster this abuse by being exclusively Spikes and net-decking the top builds from world championships which consist of the absolute newest cards (because Konami) and play those at locals, stifling out anything that isn't the newest, most brutal, tournament winning deck. So everyone ends up playing the same small pool of cards dictated to them by Konami and by championship tournaments. You ask a YGO player to have a casual game, or to even have a game at all (even if you ARE using a competitive deck) that doesn't involve prizes or a tournament, even on a locals level, and they'll decline because if there's no incentive for them to Spike the hell out of you with the nastiest combos Konami's cash cow management of the game allows for, playing just isn't deemed worth it.
Really it's a very malignant game in part because of Konami, but in a larger part because of the player base which caters to that. Recently Konami released some respectably strong, but not power creeped Dark Magician (a fan favorite) support. But do you think you could play that deck at your locals, despite it being a rather strong deck as well as thematic and admired? No. Not because it's awful design or because no one loves Dark Magician (the contrary) - it's because you'll be facing 4-6 rounds of replicas of the world champion's deck composed of Konami's newest power creeped cards before the ban list hits them to inspire those Spikes to buy the next set of the same thing. Good luck having a first turn.
So if you see fetchs in MM17 that would be a good indication that fetchs are never coming back to standard.
How do you figure that?
I thought his point was fairly easy to see. Reprinting the enemy fetches in a standard set would not only be the best way to bring down their price, but would also be a great way to get more people cracking packs and playing standard, which is another of Wizards' goals. If despite that, they still chose to print them in MM2017 over a standard set, that would suggest that they don't think fetches should be standard legal. P.s. YNWA!
The issue at hand is the support of the trinity: distributors, the lgs, and the players.
The reason things have fallen apart lately is that wizards over printed certain products and under printed others in a completely unpredictable fashion.
What does this mean? That wizards didn't know what players wanted out of magic. This hurts your lgs that needs to sell products with a good margin and leaves distributors with surplus stock that ends up having to go somewhere or languish in a warehouse.
With mm2017 Rumored to have 5x the print run of mm2015 let's hope they didn't fill the set with undesirables.
got a link to this info that explains current print information of sets? or is this speculation ?
Normal, Normal Rare, Rare, Super Rare, Holofoil Rare, Ultra Rare, Ultimate Rare, Secret Rare, Ultra Secret Rare, Secret Ultra Rare, Prismatic Secret Rare, Holographic/Ghost Rare, Parallel Rare, Normal Parallel Rare/Parallel Common, Super Parallel Rare, Ultra Parallel Rare, Duel Terminal Normal Parallel Rare/Duel Terminal Parallel Common, Duel Terminal Rare Parallel Rare, Duel Terminal Super Parallel Rae, Duel Terminal Ultra Parallel Rare, Duel Terminal Secret Parallel Rare, and Gold Rare.
I would not be surprised if Yu-Gi-Oh was the highest selling card game. I don't know that it's necessarily a healthy kind of selling though.
Also worth noting: Magic Online is number 5 and the only title in that list that isn't also on Mobile.
Magic isn't making the same as Hearthstone, but digital only profits are easily going to exceed profits on a product that is producing both physical and digital merchandise.
So if you see fetchs in MM17 that would be a good indication that fetchs are never coming back to standard.
How do you figure that?
Reprinting the enemy fetches in a standard set would not only be the best way to bring down their price, but would also be a great way to get more people cracking packs and playing standard, which is another of Wizards' goals. If despite that, they still chose to print them in MM2017 over a standard set, that would suggest that they don't think fetches should be standard legal. P.s. YNWA!
I agree with your first point. I fail to see, though, how printing fetches in MM17 would preclude Wizards from ever printing them again in a standard set or that they don't think they should be standard legal ever again. (This game has had a 25 year lifespan—a lot can still happen.)
here's a report wizards put put in 2013 looking over 2012 numbers. these are probably small now compared to recent expansion. pg 15 has the spreadsheet. is there anything for yu gi oh or pokemon?
also another statement from another 2013 article
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Wizards of the Coast is a subsidiary of games giant Hasbro. Gaming, specifically, contributed some 32% of its parent's fiscal 2013 net sales. The US and Canada, where Wizards of the Coast primarily sells its products, accounted for 48% of Hasbro's sales during the reporting period.
I would not be surprised if Yu-Gi-Oh was the highest selling card game. I don't know that it's necessarily a healthy kind of selling though.
I don't think YGO is outselling MTG. I say this as a fan of both (it's Konami's management of YGO, specifically, that I resent). MTG drafts its sets and has many formats. That said, YGO's business model is very myopic (at least until recently, but this improvement could very well be short lived or outright in vain with the way the game design suddenly capsized with Links) so it isn't a healthy kind of selling at all. YGO has been dwindling as far as I can tell, at least in my area. YCS Seattle recently had one of the worst attendance rates ever at ~800 players. Some suspect it's because Seattle was too remote for most YGO players who are East Coast or California. Atlanta is the next YCS so attendance there should gauge the health of the present game better.
Regardless, I don't expect YGO to be outselling MTG, not even in its prime. Certainly not in my area, where 50-100 people show up for pre-releases and 20 on Sundays, where YGO pre-releases average 12-20 at best.
there's several ways to gauge the PAPER card business
1. direct sales : straight from the source to retailer, purchases directly from the company. sales and revenue generated from tournaments and other play that go directly to the head company.
2. secondary sale : buying and selling of purchased items from and to online sources and store fronts.
financial from what I can tell wotc makes atleast 350+ of revenue directly. it would be nearly impossible to quantify online and retail revenues from the secondary market unless you could realistically take a cross section of reported incomes to the government of a hand full of stores and account for other sales biases.
all this in consideration I figure magic as a game with both revenues parsed together would be well over 400 mill in sales even exceeding 500. other things to consider is foreign exchange rates that devalue some of the revenue. I'd assume thsee number are much greater than that of yugioh, and Pokemon may be a bit closer. this is only taking in account the popularity and sales of the paper cards.
wotc has to pander to 2 separate markets, grade school kids who pick it up and play on their parents dollars, and adults in their 20-30 (this is a huge generalization but sums up the groups fairly well). arguably both groups dollars are valued the same and wotc has to balance their product between being affordable but also generating a revenue. using these variables, the company seems to be making correct decision allowing the company to continuously make profits year over year for atleast the last 5 years.
In Montreal, YGO is dead. My LGS sold all their cards to another LGS because they were just sitting there. But it's mainly the fault of the judges at pro events, they use to steal cards from players and then DQ them because their decks weren't carrying a legal amount of cards. Everyone got pissed, quit YGO and switched to MTG.
One thing YGO will always have above MTG to me, is the foiling. Secret rare, ultimate rare and ghost rare foiling is amazing and would look insane on MTG cards.
One thing YGO will always have above MTG to me, is the foiling. Secret rare, ultimate rare and ghost rare foiling is amazing and would look insane on MTG cards.
How about platinum rare? So much foil you will get a headache if you don't use matte sleeves.
Sure, there is a chance of spending $4 on a booster and getting the Mythic Rare $30 super card. There is also a chance of surviving putting your tongue in a light socket.
In Montreal, YGO is dead. My LGS sold all their cards to another LGS because they were just sitting there. But it's mainly the fault of the judges at pro events, they use to steal cards from players and then DQ them because their decks weren't carrying a legal amount of cards. Everyone got pissed, quit YGO and switched to MTG.
One thing YGO will always have above MTG to me, is the foiling. Secret rare, ultimate rare and ghost rare foiling is amazing and would look insane on MTG cards.
Secret Rare in YGO is by far the best (and my favorite) rarity, foiling and card appearance of any game. I have an Ice Barrier (casual) and Nekroz deck and the secrets are just. Those icy blue schemes with the sweeping veil of the secret rarity. It's like icy diamonds. I hate ultimate and Ghost is pretty neat but discontinued I believe? A lot of foiling in YGO can be gaudy though, like those horrendous Silver foils and Gold rares look awful.
To be fair YGO's artwork is rather simple to it relies more on foiling. MTG's art is so intricate that I prefer it non-foil to appreciate it.
Yep. Sounds like something YGO players would do btw. I'm telling you if it isn't Konami that's out to get that game, it's the players even more so. Still, I do admire its potential and the archetype decks I have in it. When I play it with friends I enjoy it very much. My issue is the pacing and lack of a casual environment.
One thing YGO will always have above MTG to me, is the foiling. Secret rare, ultimate rare and ghost rare foiling is amazing and would look insane on MTG cards.
How about platinum rare? So much foil you will get a headache if you don't use matte sleeves.
HAHA! thats true. But that's why i hate MTGs foiling. I wish it was only the picture that was foiled
One thing YGO will always have above MTG to me, is the foiling. Secret rare, ultimate rare and ghost rare foiling is amazing and would look insane on MTG cards.
How about platinum rare? So much foil you will get a headache if you don't use matte sleeves.
HAHA! thats true. But that's why i hate MTGs foiling. I wish it was only the picture that was foiled
While I don't dislike a foiled border, the artwork "enhancement" is definitely my favorite aspect of foiling.
I'm not a fan of pre-Modern foils for that reason.
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Bruna, Light of Alabaster
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The issue at hand is the support of the trinity: distributors, the lgs, and the players.
The reason things have fallen apart lately is that wizards over printed certain products and under printed others in a completely unpredictable fashion.
What does this mean? That wizards didn't know what players wanted out of magic. This hurts your lgs that needs to sell products with a good margin and leaves distributors with surplus stock that ends up having to go somewhere or languish in a warehouse.
With mm2017 Rumored to have 5x the print run of mm2015 let's hope they didn't fill the set with undesirables.
got a link to this info that explains current print information of sets? or is this speculation ?
It was either Rudy or Desolator Magic that mentioned it in one of his videos. Along with the fact non-wpn locations are getting allocations you've got plenty of support for the print run being pretty substantial. I don't really believe the rumor myself at it being 5x because MM2015 had a pretty good print run already, but I don't think it's too hard to believe they did a substantial print run of the set given what they did with eternal masters.
So long story short, yes I think it is speculation though I'm not having much luck finding the source.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
I'm floored that people here think fetches will be reprinted in MM17.
I've come to expect it. Since Khans, there are always folks who'll tell ya that enemy fetches will be in the next set guaranteed...along with Damnation.
I thought his point was fairly easy to see. Reprinting the enemy fetches in a standard set would not only be the best way to bring down their price, but would also be a great way to get more people cracking packs and playing standard, which is another of Wizards' goals. If despite that, they still chose to print them in MM2017 over a standard set, that would suggest that they don't think fetches should be standard legal. P.s. YNWA!
While fetches in Standard would be quite welcome, for a few reasons, and you are right that it would help Standard sell far better, unfortunately it goes against Wizards current "no decent reprints in Standard" thing that they have going on right now.
I thought his point was fairly easy to see. Reprinting the enemy fetches in a standard set would not only be the best way to bring down their price, but would also be a great way to get more people cracking packs and playing standard, which is another of Wizards' goals. If despite that, they still chose to print them in MM2017 over a standard set, that would suggest that they don't think fetches should be standard legal. P.s. YNWA!
While fetches in Standard would be quite welcome, for a few reasons, and you are right that it would help Standard sell far better, unfortunately it goes against Wizards current "no decent reprints in Standard" thing that they have going on right now.
Can you blame them? Thoughtseize made standard actively worse. Khans fetches made standard actively worse.
Standard just doesn't have the power level to drop big bombs into it and expect it to be balanced.
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You don't call "dying to removal" if the removal is more expensive in resources than the creature. If you have to spend BG (Abrupt Decay), or W + basic land (PtE) to remove a 1G, that is not "dying to removal". Strictly speaking Goyf dies to removal, but actually your removal is dying to Goyf.
I would not be surprised if Yu-Gi-Oh was the highest selling card game. I don't know that it's necessarily a healthy kind of selling though.
I don't think YGO is outselling MTG. I say this as a fan of both (it's Konami's management of YGO, specifically, that I resent). MTG drafts its sets and has many formats. That said, YGO's business model is very myopic (at least until recently, but this improvement could very well be short lived or outright in vain with the way the game design suddenly capsized with Links) so it isn't a healthy kind of selling at all. YGO has been dwindling as far as I can tell, at least in my area. YCS Seattle recently had one of the worst attendance rates ever at ~800 players. Some suspect it's because Seattle was too remote for most YGO players who are East Coast or California. Atlanta is the next YCS so attendance there should gauge the health of the present game better.
Regardless, I don't expect YGO to be outselling MTG, not even in its prime. Certainly not in my area, where 50-100 people show up for pre-releases and 20 on Sundays, where YGO pre-releases average 12-20 at best.
The thing is, the players on here can learn a lot from YGO's decline.
What is the number one factor killing YGO? The fact that the new cards every set are leagues better than the cards released the set before.
The extreme power creep (and subsequent bannings) is exactly why having the power go up every set is a horrible idea. We get a lot of people on this site complaining about the power of sets being too low. I'd rather the set power go up and down rather than up constantly. Otherwise, you get the expensive nightmare that is YGO right now.
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You don't call "dying to removal" if the removal is more expensive in resources than the creature. If you have to spend BG (Abrupt Decay), or W + basic land (PtE) to remove a 1G, that is not "dying to removal". Strictly speaking Goyf dies to removal, but actually your removal is dying to Goyf.
I thought his point was fairly easy to see. Reprinting the enemy fetches in a standard set would not only be the best way to bring down their price, but would also be a great way to get more people cracking packs and playing standard, which is another of Wizards' goals. If despite that, they still chose to print them in MM2017 over a standard set, that would suggest that they don't think fetches should be standard legal. P.s. YNWA!
While fetches in Standard would be quite welcome, for a few reasons, and you are right that it would help Standard sell far better, unfortunately it goes against Wizards current "no decent reprints in Standard" thing that they have going on right now.
Can you blame them? Thoughtseize made standard actively worse. Khans fetches made standard actively worse.
Standard just doesn't have the power level to drop big bombs into it and expect it to be balanced.
The enviroment made them better tough. Thoughtseize was same time as mono bacl devotion and khan fetches were at the same time as fetchabel duals. In a proper enviroment they woudn't be opressive.
I thought his point was fairly easy to see. Reprinting the enemy fetches in a standard set would not only be the best way to bring down their price, but would also be a great way to get more people cracking packs and playing standard, which is another of Wizards' goals. If despite that, they still chose to print them in MM2017 over a standard set, that would suggest that they don't think fetches should be standard legal. P.s. YNWA!
While fetches in Standard would be quite welcome, for a few reasons, and you are right that it would help Standard sell far better, unfortunately it goes against Wizards current "no decent reprints in Standard" thing that they have going on right now.
Can you blame them? Thoughtseize made standard actively worse. Khans fetches made standard actively worse.
Standard just doesn't have the power level to drop big bombs into it and expect it to be balanced.
Fetches didn't make Standard worse, it was the combination of fetches and BFZ lands. Remember years before that how they themselves said fetches+shocks were too strong? Then years later they completely forget the very thing they wanted to avoid? That's WotC's fault for doing something that they said shouldn't be done, not fetches.
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Can I go slightly off-topic for a moment? I've always wondered, does the design and structure of YGH allow for oddball formats like commander, pauper, mini-masters, etc?
The reason things have fallen apart lately is that wizards over printed certain products and under printed others in a completely unpredictable fashion.
What does this mean? That wizards didn't know what players wanted out of magic. This hurts your lgs that needs to sell products with a good margin and leaves distributors with surplus stock that ends up having to go somewhere or languish in a warehouse.
With mm2017 Rumored to have 5x the print run of mm2015 let's hope they didn't fill the set with undesirables.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
The problem with YGO is Konami and the player base have limited it to a very narrow, linear competitive environment that stifles out casual play entirely. Konami shoehorns players into this treadmill format with power creep and the ban list as an insidious form of set rotation (you must buy and play the newest cards to win, or if you hope have more than two turns. At times, you'll lose before you even begin your first turn with some of these new decks). Then the players foster this abuse by being exclusively Spikes and net-decking the top builds from world championships which consist of the absolute newest cards (because Konami) and play those at locals, stifling out anything that isn't the newest, most brutal, tournament winning deck. So everyone ends up playing the same small pool of cards dictated to them by Konami and by championship tournaments. You ask a YGO player to have a casual game, or to even have a game at all (even if you ARE using a competitive deck) that doesn't involve prizes or a tournament, even on a locals level, and they'll decline because if there's no incentive for them to Spike the hell out of you with the nastiest combos Konami's cash cow management of the game allows for, playing just isn't deemed worth it.
Really it's a very malignant game in part because of Konami, but in a larger part because of the player base which caters to that. Recently Konami released some respectably strong, but not power creeped Dark Magician (a fan favorite) support. But do you think you could play that deck at your locals, despite it being a rather strong deck as well as thematic and admired? No. Not because it's awful design or because no one loves Dark Magician (the contrary) - it's because you'll be facing 4-6 rounds of replicas of the world champion's deck composed of Konami's newest power creeped cards before the ban list hits them to inspire those Spikes to buy the next set of the same thing. Good luck having a first turn.
|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
I thought his point was fairly easy to see. Reprinting the enemy fetches in a standard set would not only be the best way to bring down their price, but would also be a great way to get more people cracking packs and playing standard, which is another of Wizards' goals. If despite that, they still chose to print them in MM2017 over a standard set, that would suggest that they don't think fetches should be standard legal. P.s. YNWA!
got a link to this info that explains current print information of sets? or is this speculation ?
Normal, Normal Rare, Rare, Super Rare, Holofoil Rare, Ultra Rare, Ultimate Rare, Secret Rare, Ultra Secret Rare, Secret Ultra Rare, Prismatic Secret Rare, Holographic/Ghost Rare, Parallel Rare, Normal Parallel Rare/Parallel Common, Super Parallel Rare, Ultra Parallel Rare, Duel Terminal Normal Parallel Rare/Duel Terminal Parallel Common, Duel Terminal Rare Parallel Rare, Duel Terminal Super Parallel Rae, Duel Terminal Ultra Parallel Rare, Duel Terminal Secret Parallel Rare, and Gold Rare.
I would not be surprised if Yu-Gi-Oh was the highest selling card game. I don't know that it's necessarily a healthy kind of selling though.
Also worth noting: Magic Online is number 5 and the only title in that list that isn't also on Mobile.
Magic isn't making the same as Hearthstone, but digital only profits are easily going to exceed profits on a product that is producing both physical and digital merchandise.
I agree with your first point. I fail to see, though, how printing fetches in MM17 would preclude Wizards from ever printing them again in a standard set or that they don't think they should be standard legal ever again. (This game has had a 25 year lifespan—a lot can still happen.)
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Fetch's are like an investment Wizards can cash in at any time. 'Do we want to spike the sales on this set?' 'Yes' 'Ok, reprint the fetch lands'
Its as simple as that. Thats why I doubt they come in a premium release like Masters, they offer too much 'lets sell standard' potential.
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here's a report wizards put put in 2013 looking over 2012 numbers. these are probably small now compared to recent expansion. pg 15 has the spreadsheet. is there anything for yu gi oh or pokemon?
also another statement from another 2013 article
Operations
Wizards of the Coast is a subsidiary of games giant Hasbro. Gaming, specifically, contributed some 32% of its parent's fiscal 2013 net sales. The US and Canada, where Wizards of the Coast primarily sells its products, accounted for 48% of Hasbro's sales during the reporting period.
Regardless, I don't expect YGO to be outselling MTG, not even in its prime. Certainly not in my area, where 50-100 people show up for pre-releases and 20 on Sundays, where YGO pre-releases average 12-20 at best.
|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
1. direct sales : straight from the source to retailer, purchases directly from the company. sales and revenue generated from tournaments and other play that go directly to the head company.
2. secondary sale : buying and selling of purchased items from and to online sources and store fronts.
financial from what I can tell wotc makes atleast 350+ of revenue directly. it would be nearly impossible to quantify online and retail revenues from the secondary market unless you could realistically take a cross section of reported incomes to the government of a hand full of stores and account for other sales biases.
all this in consideration I figure magic as a game with both revenues parsed together would be well over 400 mill in sales even exceeding 500. other things to consider is foreign exchange rates that devalue some of the revenue. I'd assume thsee number are much greater than that of yugioh, and Pokemon may be a bit closer. this is only taking in account the popularity and sales of the paper cards.
wotc has to pander to 2 separate markets, grade school kids who pick it up and play on their parents dollars, and adults in their 20-30 (this is a huge generalization but sums up the groups fairly well). arguably both groups dollars are valued the same and wotc has to balance their product between being affordable but also generating a revenue. using these variables, the company seems to be making correct decision allowing the company to continuously make profits year over year for atleast the last 5 years.
One thing YGO will always have above MTG to me, is the foiling. Secret rare, ultimate rare and ghost rare foiling is amazing and would look insane on MTG cards.
How about platinum rare? So much foil you will get a headache if you don't use matte sleeves.
To be fair YGO's artwork is rather simple to it relies more on foiling. MTG's art is so intricate that I prefer it non-foil to appreciate it.
Yep. Sounds like something YGO players would do btw. I'm telling you if it isn't Konami that's out to get that game, it's the players even more so. Still, I do admire its potential and the archetype decks I have in it. When I play it with friends I enjoy it very much. My issue is the pacing and lack of a casual environment.
|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
HAHA! thats true. But that's why i hate MTGs foiling. I wish it was only the picture that was foiled
While I don't dislike a foiled border, the artwork "enhancement" is definitely my favorite aspect of foiling.
I'm not a fan of pre-Modern foils for that reason.
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
It was either Rudy or Desolator Magic that mentioned it in one of his videos. Along with the fact non-wpn locations are getting allocations you've got plenty of support for the print run being pretty substantial. I don't really believe the rumor myself at it being 5x because MM2015 had a pretty good print run already, but I don't think it's too hard to believe they did a substantial print run of the set given what they did with eternal masters.
So long story short, yes I think it is speculation though I'm not having much luck finding the source.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
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3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
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I've come to expect it. Since Khans, there are always folks who'll tell ya that enemy fetches will be in the next set guaranteed...along with Damnation.
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While fetches in Standard would be quite welcome, for a few reasons, and you are right that it would help Standard sell far better, unfortunately it goes against Wizards current "no decent reprints in Standard" thing that they have going on right now.
Can you blame them? Thoughtseize made standard actively worse. Khans fetches made standard actively worse.
Standard just doesn't have the power level to drop big bombs into it and expect it to be balanced.
"I hope to have such a death... lying in triumph atop the broken bodies of those who slew me..."
The thing is, the players on here can learn a lot from YGO's decline.
What is the number one factor killing YGO? The fact that the new cards every set are leagues better than the cards released the set before.
The extreme power creep (and subsequent bannings) is exactly why having the power go up every set is a horrible idea. We get a lot of people on this site complaining about the power of sets being too low. I'd rather the set power go up and down rather than up constantly. Otherwise, you get the expensive nightmare that is YGO right now.
"I hope to have such a death... lying in triumph atop the broken bodies of those who slew me..."
The enviroment made them better tough. Thoughtseize was same time as mono bacl devotion and khan fetches were at the same time as fetchabel duals. In a proper enviroment they woudn't be opressive.
Fetches didn't make Standard worse, it was the combination of fetches and BFZ lands. Remember years before that how they themselves said fetches+shocks were too strong? Then years later they completely forget the very thing they wanted to avoid? That's WotC's fault for doing something that they said shouldn't be done, not fetches.