Anyone else think in addition to the Modern Masters print of enemy colored Fetches, they will once again be printed in Amonkhet?
Probably not as there will still be fetchable duals from Battle for Zendikar block in standard as Amonketh is released.
Amonkhet would have been in development when it was still 18 month rotations, so this could cause a bit of weird design interactions they didn't plan for.
I'd like to see either temples or filter lands back, or cool legendary lands
Ah okay. I see what you are getting at now. Can't say I'm looking forward to another temple land "comes into play tapped" type of cycle, but given what you just posted that seems pretty likely.
I feel like the allied lands are a little weak this standard and was hoping we'd see a better cycle come amonket.
Maybe they'll just print new Temples,
with land types like they always should have had
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Ah okay. I see what you are getting at now. Can't say I'm looking forward to another temple land "comes into play tapped" type of cycle, but given what you just posted that seems pretty likely.
I feel like the allied lands are a little weak this standard and was hoping we'd see a better cycle come amonket.
Maybe they'll just print new Temples,
with land types like they always should have had
If they have basic land types I would not want to be the groundskeeper for the temple that is both an Island and a Swamp.
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Ah okay. I see what you are getting at now. Can't say I'm looking forward to another temple land "comes into play tapped" type of cycle, but given what you just posted that seems pretty likely.
I feel like the allied lands are a little weak this standard and was hoping we'd see a better cycle come amonket.
Maybe they'll just print new Temples,
with land types like they always should have had
This is a hope but maybe finish the battle land cycle from bfz then we will offical have a budget shock/duel land cycle.
Ah okay. I see what you are getting at now. Can't say I'm looking forward to another temple land "comes into play tapped" type of cycle, but given what you just posted that seems pretty likely.
I feel like the allied lands are a little weak this standard and was hoping we'd see a better cycle come amonket.
Maybe they'll just print new Temples,
with land types like they always should have had
This is a hope but maybe finish the battle land cycle from bfz then we will offical have a budget shock/duel land cycle.
I'd only ever want to finish them in getting them out of the way. Otherwise, they're kinda trash. I know why they exist, but they feel like such a waste outside of Standard.
i would like to test the G/B battle lands instead of blooming marsh for my modern elf deck to see wich one is the best because i only need black for shaman of the pack
i could even play both lands as a 4 of or a mix of the two.
also cinder glade ahs proven is worth in titanshift so they are not bad lands they just need the right home.
edit: if we are lucky we might get the nimbus maze cycle since they are kinda slow and fast lands
Honestly, I find myself wishing a Shockland I was fetching in my Modern deck were a Battle land more and more. That two life is super relevant in a lot of games, and most decks should be running a healthy number of basics in case Blood Moon rears its ugly head, so it should come into play untapped in a lot of situations.
I suppose aggro decks need their duals to come into play untapped ASAP, though
You don't call "dying to removal" if the removal is more expensive in resources than the creature. If you have to spend BG (Abrupt Decay), or W + basic land (PtE) to remove a 1G, that is not "dying to removal". Strictly speaking Goyf dies to removal, but actually your removal is dying to Goyf.
Holy ***** that is pretty brilliant. I bet they will do exactly this. OF COURSE they have temples on Amonkhet.
Not sure I see the need for new ones though. Could they not just reprint the Theros ones and give them new plane-centric art?
Technically, from a flavor standpoint, the temples are all actual, unique locations on Theros, rather than just being descriptive names of locations. For example, in Godsend, Xenagos visited the Temple of Malice to make his pact with the minotaurs to invade Akros. I also believe that several other temples are mentioned as unique place names throughout the story, such as the Temple of Enlightenment (where Daxos was raised), and the Temple of Mystery (where Kruphix resides most of the time).
That doesn't rule out the possibility of new temples for Amonkhet, especially if the gods are three-colored as some are speculating, Since the tri-lands ETB tapped at uncommon normally, maybe there could be some small upside (like Scry 1) for them to be bumped up to rare?
Technically, from a flavor standpoint, the temples are all actual, unique locations on Theros, rather than just being descriptive names of locations. For example, in Godsend, Xenagos visited the Temple of Malice to make his pact with the minotaurs to invade Akros. I also believe that several other temples are mentioned as unique place names throughout the story, such as the Temple of Enlightenment (where Daxos was raised), and the Temple of Mystery (where Kruphix resides most of the time).
That doesn't rule out the possibility of new temples for Amonkhet, especially if the gods are three-colored as some are speculating, Since the tri-lands ETB tapped at uncommon normally, maybe there could be some small upside (like Scry 1) for them to be bumped up to rare?
However. The largest amount of players won't know. And the names are generic enough that they could fit most planes.
Technically, from a flavor standpoint, the temples are all actual, unique locations on Theros, rather than just being descriptive names of locations. For example, in Godsend, Xenagos visited the Temple of Malice to make his pact with the minotaurs to invade Akros. I also believe that several other temples are mentioned as unique place names throughout the story, such as the Temple of Enlightenment (where Daxos was raised), and the Temple of Mystery (where Kruphix resides most of the time).
That doesn't rule out the possibility of new temples for Amonkhet, especially if the gods are three-colored as some are speculating, Since the tri-lands ETB tapped at uncommon normally, maybe there could be some small upside (like Scry 1) for them to be bumped up to rare?
However. The largest amount of players won't know. And the names are generic enough that they could fit most planes.
This. Yes, Theros may have a Temple of Malice but what is stopping other planes with a worship based system from having one? We won't be seeing the current ally fastlands outside of a New Phyrexan set in standard unless they get new names, as those are very plan specific. If you notice, most lands that produce multiple colors are moving towards more generic names so that they have an easier possibility of being in a new set.
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^ I agree with all of this,
but I want to add that I find it a bit odd
that development intentionally gives them plane-agnostic names,
but then story goes in and makes them almost Legendary,
not to mention more plane-specific.
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I would love to see monuments/wonders. Maybe 1 mana artifacts that require X number of build counters to gain a really strong effect. And the way to get build counters is "Tap an untapped creature you control and pay 1: Place a build counter on ~". A cycle of these could be sweet.
IIRC, they gave the Theros temples generic names specifically so they could be reprinted later on a different plane. And while these temples are mentioned specifically in the story, none of them are legendary, so judging by that there are already multiple Temple of Malices across the land of Theros anyway. So why not other planes? With blocks moved to the 2 set paradigm, I could see us only getting half of the temples though (likely ally).
I don't think they'll reprint them though. The standard sets now don't seem to reprint cards very often. They save reprints for supplemental products now.
Technically, from a flavor standpoint, the temples are all actual, unique locations on Theros, rather than just being descriptive names of locations. For example, in Godsend, Xenagos visited the Temple of Malice to make his pact with the minotaurs to invade Akros. I also believe that several other temples are mentioned as unique place names throughout the story, such as the Temple of Enlightenment (where Daxos was raised), and the Temple of Mystery (where Kruphix resides most of the time).
That doesn't rule out the possibility of new temples for Amonkhet, especially if the gods are three-colored as some are speculating, Since the tri-lands ETB tapped at uncommon normally, maybe there could be some small upside (like Scry 1) for them to be bumped up to rare?
However. The largest amount of players won't know. And the names are generic enough that they could fit most planes.
This. Yes, Theros may have a Temple of Malice but what is stopping other planes with a worship based system from having one? We won't be seeing the current ally fastlands outside of a New Phyrexan set in standard unless they get new names, as those are very plan specific. If you notice, most lands that produce multiple colors are moving towards more generic names so that they have an easier possibility of being in a new set.
I don't know why people always say this. We will see the ally fastlands outside Phyrexian territory. Yeah they are a little oddball but don't have to be literal in a new setting. It's not like they are called Eye of Ugin. They are good lands for standard, they won't make functional duplicates, and there is limited design space in lands.
I don't know why people always say this. We will see the ally fastlands outside Phyrexian territory. Yeah they are a little oddball but don't have to be literal in a new setting. It's not like they are called Eye of Ugin. They are good lands for standard, they won't make functional duplicates, and there is limited design space in lands.
It's true you can have them in another set without needing new ones, but that would be rather difficult and might require another metal-esque plain to make it work.
-Blackcleave Cliffs and Darkslick Shores are two that can be used without much of a problem.
-Razorverge Thicket poses a small problem, but can probably be thorns rather than blade like grass. Copperline Gorge is about as hard to put somewhere, it could be like a giant copper mine rather than a gorge just made of it.
-Seachrome Coast poses much bigger issues of getting reprinted. It shows that the water is literally a type of metal (and if I'm correct the ocean is chrome or mercury on Mirrodin).
They could be finagled to work, but it would be a tad difficult to do so. Best bets we have for seeing them is the next Conspiracy or Modern Masters.
Erik Lauer had wanted to make a dual-land cycle with scry for a while, so when development added scry to Theros (this was before scry became evergreen), Erik realized he finally had his chance. The lands in this cycle are basically tap lands with the added bonus that you get to scry 1. The ten-card cycle was a bit quirky in that it was put out slowly during the course of the whole Theros block, with five lands in Theros, three in Born of the Gods, and two in Journey into Nyx. The cycle was given a temple creative to match the scry flavor. This cycle has yet to be reprinted, but with scry now evergreen, I think its chance{s} are high.
Emphasis mine.
(Putting on my tinfoil hat a bit: the Temples aren't the only duals in the article to have their lack of reprinting mentioned, but the others are all much more agnostic about that fact - just "they have yet to be reprinted," and maybe reasoning as to why not, and that's all. Granted, that difference might just be because of the changes to scry's status being relevant to the Temples' reprintability, but "chances are high" is significantly more positive language than MaRo usually gives when discussing reprints. So my suspicion is that they're already in at least a design file for a set in the pipeline...and they already made plenty of sense on Amonkhet - full cycle of "slow" duals, religious flavoring - so putting them there, specifically, feels likely to me. But then again, I thought the Temples were the most likely duals for Amonkhet before I read that article.)
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Didn't WOTC state that Amonkhet had changed when the rotation got re-jigged?
Highly suggest that would be mana base tweaking ie removal of fetches or duals. WOTC know how much a stable base is in standard, but between the BFZ lands and the new fast lands there likely wouldn't be many basic art played if they printed more duals.
Didn't WOTC state that Amonkhet had changed when the rotation got re-jigged?
Highly suggest that would be mana base tweaking ie removal of fetches or duals. WOTC know how much a stable base is in standard, but between the BFZ lands and the new fast lands there likely wouldn't be many basic art played if they printed more duals.
Temples wouldn't work well with the current Standard manabases - everything coming into play tapped would mean only the slowest decks would run all-dual bases IMO, and slow decks aren't exactly shredding the meta right now...
Didn't WOTC state that Amonkhet had changed when the rotation got re-jigged?
Highly suggest that would be mana base tweaking ie removal of fetches or duals. WOTC know how much a stable base is in standard, but between the BFZ lands and the new fast lands there likely wouldn't be many basic art played if they printed more duals.
Temples wouldn't work well with the current Standard manabases - everything coming into play tapped would mean only the slowest decks would run all-dual bases IMO, and slow decks aren't exactly shredding the meta right now...
We have the fastlands though. They have an ETB tapped part, but one that hits slower decks more, not fast ones. The shadowlands are also good in early game when you have a full hand.
This considered, I could see the temples being in Amonkhet. It would promote slower decks than if they printed something like the painlands, but surely not obscenely so. And we have very little idea how slow the meta will be after Amonkhet's release, especially with the potential for bans (e.g. Felidar Guardian) before then.
So we got a rehash of The Dark with Innistrad, an Antiquities rehash with Kaladesh, and now an Arabian Nights rehash with Amonkhet? Cool! But after that, there's no more OG nostalgia to exploit, right? Unless they print Magic: Random Pile of Garbage with a Few Insane Cards as an alpha redux.
You forgot Khans was rehashed Kimigawa instead of doing Japan they did China
You forgot Khans was rehashed Kimigawa instead of doing Japan they did China
Khans actually re-hashed Legends with multicolor theme and new Elder Dragons (and a fair deal of legendaries related to them by a color-scheme). They missed the Wall theme though.
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Did Wizards officially state the
The Dark -> Innistrad
Khans of Tarkir -> Legends/Kamigawa
Antiques -> Kaladesh
to be true? Or is it a fan based theory?
I'm pretty sure it is the latter. Aside from the most superficial similarities these sets have nothing to do with each other. Innistrad has nothing to do with The Dark (if anything it reminds me somewhat of Ulgrotha, but that's neither here nor there). Kamigawa is a japanese inspired plane, which has nothing to do with Tarkir, which is inspired by several continental asian cultures (Temur -> Siberia, Mardu -> Mongolia etc.). Kaladesh is a aetherpunk world with indian "texture", it has about as much to do with Antiques as with Mirrodin (namely all of them have an artifact focus). And suggesting that Amonkhet is a carbon copy of Arabian Nights is laughable, those aren't even similar source materials.
And Khans wasmogolian themed, not chinese
Imo it wasn't even close to Kamigawa 2.0.
The Mongolians did invade China.
The Mongol Empire under Genghis Khan started the conquest with small-scale raids into Western Xia in 1205 and 1207. By 1279, the Mongol leader Kublai Khan had established the Yuan dynasty in China and crushed the last Song resistance, which marked the onset of all of China under the Mongol Yuan rule.
Amonkhet would have been in development when it was still 18 month rotations, so this could cause a bit of weird design interactions they didn't plan for.
I'd like to see either temples or filter lands back, or cool legendary lands
Maybe they'll just print new Temples,
with land types like they always should have had
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If they have basic land types I would not want to be the groundskeeper for the temple that is both an Island and a Swamp.
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This is a hope but maybe finish the battle land cycle from bfz then we will offical have a budget shock/duel land cycle.
I'd only ever want to finish them in getting them out of the way. Otherwise, they're kinda trash. I know why they exist, but they feel like such a waste outside of Standard.
i could even play both lands as a 4 of or a mix of the two.
also cinder glade ahs proven is worth in titanshift so they are not bad lands they just need the right home.
edit: if we are lucky we might get the nimbus maze cycle since they are kinda slow and fast lands
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I suppose aggro decks need their duals to come into play untapped ASAP, though
More than happy to see another cycle with basic land types.
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Holy ***** that is pretty brilliant. I bet they will do exactly this. OF COURSE they have temples on Amonkhet.
Not sure I see the need for new ones though. Could they not just reprint the Theros ones and give them new plane-centric art?
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Technically, from a flavor standpoint, the temples are all actual, unique locations on Theros, rather than just being descriptive names of locations. For example, in Godsend, Xenagos visited the Temple of Malice to make his pact with the minotaurs to invade Akros. I also believe that several other temples are mentioned as unique place names throughout the story, such as the Temple of Enlightenment (where Daxos was raised), and the Temple of Mystery (where Kruphix resides most of the time).
That doesn't rule out the possibility of new temples for Amonkhet, especially if the gods are three-colored as some are speculating, Since the tri-lands ETB tapped at uncommon normally, maybe there could be some small upside (like Scry 1) for them to be bumped up to rare?
However. The largest amount of players won't know. And the names are generic enough that they could fit most planes.
This. Yes, Theros may have a Temple of Malice but what is stopping other planes with a worship based system from having one? We won't be seeing the current ally fastlands outside of a New Phyrexan set in standard unless they get new names, as those are very plan specific. If you notice, most lands that produce multiple colors are moving towards more generic names so that they have an easier possibility of being in a new set.
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but I want to add that I find it a bit odd
that development intentionally gives them plane-agnostic names,
but then story goes in and makes them almost Legendary,
not to mention more plane-specific.
They probably shouldn't be doing that.
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Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
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Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
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I don't think they'll reprint them though. The standard sets now don't seem to reprint cards very often. They save reprints for supplemental products now.
I don't know why people always say this. We will see the ally fastlands outside Phyrexian territory. Yeah they are a little oddball but don't have to be literal in a new setting. It's not like they are called Eye of Ugin. They are good lands for standard, they won't make functional duplicates, and there is limited design space in lands.
It's true you can have them in another set without needing new ones, but that would be rather difficult and might require another metal-esque plain to make it work.
-Blackcleave Cliffs and Darkslick Shores are two that can be used without much of a problem.
-Razorverge Thicket poses a small problem, but can probably be thorns rather than blade like grass. Copperline Gorge is about as hard to put somewhere, it could be like a giant copper mine rather than a gorge just made of it.
-Seachrome Coast poses much bigger issues of getting reprinted. It shows that the water is literally a type of metal (and if I'm correct the ocean is chrome or mercury on Mirrodin).
They could be finagled to work, but it would be a tad difficult to do so. Best bets we have for seeing them is the next Conspiracy or Modern Masters.
Emphasis mine.
(Putting on my tinfoil hat a bit: the Temples aren't the only duals in the article to have their lack of reprinting mentioned, but the others are all much more agnostic about that fact - just "they have yet to be reprinted," and maybe reasoning as to why not, and that's all. Granted, that difference might just be because of the changes to scry's status being relevant to the Temples' reprintability, but "chances are high" is significantly more positive language than MaRo usually gives when discussing reprints. So my suspicion is that they're already in at least a design file for a set in the pipeline...and they already made plenty of sense on Amonkhet - full cycle of "slow" duals, religious flavoring - so putting them there, specifically, feels likely to me. But then again, I thought the Temples were the most likely duals for Amonkhet before I read that article.)
Highly suggest that would be mana base tweaking ie removal of fetches or duals. WOTC know how much a stable base is in standard, but between the BFZ lands and the new fast lands there likely wouldn't be many basic art played if they printed more duals.
Temples wouldn't work well with the current Standard manabases - everything coming into play tapped would mean only the slowest decks would run all-dual bases IMO, and slow decks aren't exactly shredding the meta right now...
We have the fastlands though. They have an ETB tapped part, but one that hits slower decks more, not fast ones. The shadowlands are also good in early game when you have a full hand.
This considered, I could see the temples being in Amonkhet. It would promote slower decks than if they printed something like the painlands, but surely not obscenely so. And we have very little idea how slow the meta will be after Amonkhet's release, especially with the potential for bans (e.g. Felidar Guardian) before then.
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You forgot Khans was rehashed Kimigawa instead of doing Japan they did China
Khans actually re-hashed Legends with multicolor theme and new Elder Dragons (and a fair deal of legendaries related to them by a color-scheme). They missed the Wall theme though.
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I'm pretty sure it is the latter. Aside from the most superficial similarities these sets have nothing to do with each other. Innistrad has nothing to do with The Dark (if anything it reminds me somewhat of Ulgrotha, but that's neither here nor there). Kamigawa is a japanese inspired plane, which has nothing to do with Tarkir, which is inspired by several continental asian cultures (Temur -> Siberia, Mardu -> Mongolia etc.). Kaladesh is a aetherpunk world with indian "texture", it has about as much to do with Antiques as with Mirrodin (namely all of them have an artifact focus). And suggesting that Amonkhet is a carbon copy of Arabian Nights is laughable, those aren't even similar source materials.
The Mongolians did invade China.
The Mongol Empire under Genghis Khan started the conquest with small-scale raids into Western Xia in 1205 and 1207. By 1279, the Mongol leader Kublai Khan had established the Yuan dynasty in China and crushed the last Song resistance, which marked the onset of all of China under the Mongol Yuan rule.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasion_of_China