This needs kicker like Rite of Replication, or it would need some form of "X" to go wild.
But oh well, its decent enough to play it, but its not really enough over the top to make me happy (and 6 mana spells are overall too expensive, would be way cooler to make this cheaper with "choose one" and more expensive to get its effect multiple times as an X , but oh well, yea).
Its pretty well chosen as a promo in that we can't draw more from this card than we already knew- the new create template, indian/multicultural setting, artifacts/thopter theme and set symbol and doesn't reveal anything about the plot or new mechanics. I agree with aliasbot that the rarity symbol is too involved, that won't look good even in paper without the low resolution / angle. They could have done a better job symbol-wise. Cardwise its one of those "We want you to play this on a kitchen table but priced it out of competitive" promos and doesn't do anything remarkably new. Its the acceptable kind of boring
Launch promos tend to suck tremendously, but I actually like this one. At the very least it should be a fun card for a few artifact-based edh decks. Then again, this card could be completely useless and I'd still be hyped to get the first kaladesh card. Pax can't come soon enough, bring all the artifact love!
I'm SO SICK of the "too strong for Standard" argument. It's the new "Dies to removal". We can have a two mana 4/4 with a zillion abilities, but we can't just have Accumulated Knowledge. Makes sense.
Another jank blue overcosted rare. Complete garbage, unplayable in any serious constructed deck. Much better alternatives in casual. Awful. Get serious about blue cards already, Wizards. Get your act together.
Card looks good and fun for EDH. In other formats clones aren't likely to see play so I don't think a 6-mana card will, but let's see what comes out with Kaladesh.
Rules question. Do you have to use the choices in the order they are bulleted? Or can you make a token of a creature and then make another creature out of it since it is now an artifact?
This is what gatherer says for when you choose more than one mode:
As the spell resolves, follow the instructions of the modes you chose in the order they are printed on the card.
I'm just pumped that we have a new setting to play around with. Between BFZ being lame as hell and SOI being so soon after the first one, Kaladesh can't come soon enough! Also, Origins doesn't count so don't jump up my butt about it.
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Alongside that rule, all targets for a spell must be chosen at the time of casting. If you don't control any artifacts as you cast Saheeli's Artistry, you can't choose the first mode.
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
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You don't call "dying to removal" if the removal is more expensive in resources than the creature. If you have to spend BG (Abrupt Decay), or W + basic land (PtE) to remove a 1G, that is not "dying to removal". Strictly speaking Goyf dies to removal, but actually your removal is dying to Goyf.
Alongside that rule, all targets for a spell must be chosen at the time of casting. If you don't control any artifacts as you cast Saheeli's Artistry, you can't choose the first mode.
not as relevant as the card can copy opponent's creatures/artifacts as it does not specifically specify you control.
In what universe? If you build a deck like that, and ever draw that hand, I will personally come to wherever you live, perform complicated acts of awestruck ********, then disembowel myself to escape the world that allowed something like this to occur and validate you.
Rules question. Do you have to use the choices in the order they are bulleted? Or can you make a token of a creature and then make another creature out of it since it is now an artifact?
I believe you can choose the effects in any order. However, as they are part of the same spell, the tokens will not be created until the spell resolves so you can't target a token also being created with the same copy of Saheeli's Artistry because it does not yet exist.
That being said, I'm not a judge, so if I am wrong I stand to be corrected.
Pretty much right, but I want to point out that for any modal spell that lets you pick more than one option, you perform the actions in the order listed. So you'll always make a copy of the artifact first, then the creature. Except for a few corner cases, that won't ever matter, but its how it goes (the example I can think of off the top of my head is that if you make a copy of an artifact doubling season, it'll affect how many tokens the second ability will make). But your reasoning for why you can't target the token you'll be making is spot on, even if it was made first.
An often relevant example that I like to use is that you can't use Kolaghan's Command to pseudo-Unsummon your x/2 creature or artifact creature via the graveyard. That would obviously break the color pie.
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Stay reasonable, be mindful of your expectations and don't feed the trolls.
The operative word to me is 'wants'. Saheeli brings out the form the metal wants to take. Her knowing the metal's 'destined' form is more about her helping the metal attain that form.
Shape Anew's formation of the targeted artifact may be decided by itself, but in practice the result is known by the person who builds the deck to take advantage of it.
Just like Polymorph decks predictably turn tokens into fatties, the same 'guided destiny' can be done for Shape Anew with artifact tokens and artifact fatties.
You don't call "dying to removal" if the removal is more expensive in resources than the creature. If you have to spend BG (Abrupt Decay), or W + basic land (PtE) to remove a 1G, that is not "dying to removal". Strictly speaking Goyf dies to removal, but actually your removal is dying to Goyf.
But then it's not what the metal wants be anymore, but what you want the metal to be ;). Besides, I don't think flavor should be determined by one specific type of deck build, which exploits a loophole.
I think you might be missing the point here on a technicality. It would be impossible to know "what the metal wants to be" unless a being was able to communicate with it. This is saying that saheeli can. The fact that "you" as the player chooses has no actual bearing, because we as beings who cannot communicate with metal, are forced to take saheeli's word for it that this shape we chose is also the shape the metal wanted. You see, this can't possibly be a flavor fail, as it can't be proven or even argued that the metal doesn't get to choose because we do, because the only character who would know either way is saheeli, and she is the one saying the quote. It does however, definitely tell us that she can communicate with the metal, which is a flavor home run
I like it. Will most likely be useless in standard but a fun card for my Lazav "I'm gonna play your decks, k guys?" deck.
Useless? There's always something to copy. Or do you only play counterburn mirror matches?
Lovely card nonetheless. Especially in EDH (not because of the cost, but the usefulness). I love clones and clone effects, so this'll be a nice addition.
Quick, someone do the number crunch! I must know how many artifacts there are!
I'm definitely no number-crunching expert, and I'm probably doing this wrong, but a quick and dirty review of the last large artifact heavy set with mythics was Scars of Mirrodin. The first "S" card in that is Scrapdiver Serpent @ 41/249. Stretching that to 264 = 43; "Saheeli" would come before "Scrap" and should be < 43, so this downward shift implies less artifacts than Som? Perhaps colored artifacts?
Calling it now, it's because first 10-20 cards will be colorless Eldrazi.
Well tickle me. I was sure that Saheeli was going to be WU and be part of the Consul rather than being an artificer. This card makes me join the masses that think she will be a UR artificer type.
But oh well, its decent enough to play it, but its not really enough over the top to make me happy (and 6 mana spells are overall too expensive, would be way cooler to make this cheaper with "choose one" and more expensive to get its effect multiple times as an X , but oh well, yea).
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KilroyCrucius was here.This is what gatherer says for when you choose more than one mode:
As the spell resolves, follow the instructions of the modes you chose in the order they are printed on the card.
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
You're forcing the token to be something of your own choice, there's no real sense the artifact is 'becoming what it wants to be.'
That flavor text should be on an effect like Shape Anew instead. Pretty card, looks fun, but the flavor fail irks me.
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not as relevant as the card can copy opponent's creatures/artifacts as it does not specifically specify you control.
Please!
If Saheeli is white/blue, it makes sense.
"I know what the metal wants to be. Because I decide what he wants".
Stay reasonable, be mindful of your expectations and don't feed the trolls.
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It was already spoiled a month ago (the "create" wording) with Rise from the Tides promo
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If it weren't six to cast, I'd jam it to double clone Master of Etherium.
This is the first I've heard of it too.
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Shape Anew's formation of the targeted artifact may be decided by itself, but in practice the result is known by the person who builds the deck to take advantage of it.
Just like Polymorph decks predictably turn tokens into fatties, the same 'guided destiny' can be done for Shape Anew with artifact tokens and artifact fatties.
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Can you imagen using this on
Wurmcoil engine you can do both options with it.
Maybe even triple if it's your Wurmcoil.
I think you might be missing the point here on a technicality. It would be impossible to know "what the metal wants to be" unless a being was able to communicate with it. This is saying that saheeli can. The fact that "you" as the player chooses has no actual bearing, because we as beings who cannot communicate with metal, are forced to take saheeli's word for it that this shape we chose is also the shape the metal wanted. You see, this can't possibly be a flavor fail, as it can't be proven or even argued that the metal doesn't get to choose because we do, because the only character who would know either way is saheeli, and she is the one saying the quote. It does however, definitely tell us that she can communicate with the metal, which is a flavor home run
Useless? There's always something to copy. Or do you only play counterburn mirror matches?
Lovely card nonetheless. Especially in EDH (not because of the cost, but the usefulness). I love clones and clone effects, so this'll be a nice addition.
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Calling it now, it's because first 10-20 cards will be colorless Eldrazi.
That's not any different than Oona, Queen of the Fae being in control of The Great Aurora. BTW that role was later given to Maralen of the Mornsong - another non-green creature.