Seriously, Ghostly Prison is an awesome reprint at uncommon. It really seems like a lot of people are judging Conspiracy 2 as though it were Modern or Eternal Masters. Guess what? Wizards is going to print the s**t out of this set and it's going to be the price of an normal Standard set for at least two years. Even the Mythics are going to tank in price eventually. Yes, a lot of the foils are going to be bananas expensive, but that's the point of foils, isn't it? And you don't need them to play the card.
I'm actually shocked at the level of value that Wizards dumped into this set, and people still have the gall to complain about it.
Seriously, Ghostly Prison is an awesome reprint at uncommon. It really seems like a lot of people are judging Conspiracy 2 as though it were Modern or Eternal Masters. Guess what? Wizards is going to print the s**t out of this set and it's going to be the price of an normal Standard set for at least two years. Even the Mythics are going to tank in price eventually. Yes, a lot of the foils are going to be bananas expensive, but that's the point of foils, isn't it? And you don't need them to play the card.
I'm actually shocked at the level of value that Wizards dumped into this set, and people still have the gall to complain about it.
I completely agree. Not really sure why so many people are moaning about reprints. They added beast within! They added Serum Visions! They added IoK!
What else could you really ask for?
Also, amazing rare and mythics plus great new powerful cards for so many formats. This set is a homerun.
I honestly wish they would ditch EMA, MMA $10 packs, $50 drafts and continue more sets in this vein.
I'm really glad that WotC printed CNS2. I thought CNS1 was the best supplemental set they did in a long, long time and I was sad when they kept pumping out Masters sets instead of more Conspiracy-like sets. Hopefully this set sells extremely well and it proves that these are the kind of sets people want. I know I'd much rather pay $15 to play a sweet draft format and get a bunch of just generally sweet cards than pay $40 playing the Force of Will lottery.
I'm really glad that WotC printed CNS2. I thought CNS1 was the best supplemental set they did in a long, long time and I was sad when they kept pumping out Masters sets instead of more Conspiracy-like sets. Hopefully this set sells extremely well and it proves that these are the kind of sets people want. I know I'd much rather pay $15 to play a sweet draft format and get a bunch of just generally sweet cards than pay $40 playing the Force of Will lottery.
TBH, the release of this set so soon after EMA is a bit baffling.
It's possible they're doing some sort of profitability comparison,
and if so, EMA is in for a rough time.
This set looks like both better value for what you pay,
as well as a more fun drafting experience.
It should do quite well, which will hopefully inspire more "unlimited" reprint sets.
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Seriously, Ghostly Prison is an awesome reprint at uncommon. It really seems like a lot of people are judging Conspiracy 2 as though it were Modern or Eternal Masters. Guess what? Wizards is going to print the s**t out of this set and it's going to be the price of an normal Standard set for at least two years. Even the Mythics are going to tank in price eventually. Yes, a lot of the foils are going to be bananas expensive, but that's the point of foils, isn't it? And you don't need them to play the card.
I'm actually shocked at the level of value that Wizards dumped into this set, and people still have the gall to complain about it.
I completely agree. Not really sure why so many people are moaning about reprints. They added beast within! They added Serum Visions! They added IoK!
What else could you really ask for?
Also, amazing rare and mythics plus great new powerful cards for so many formats. This set is a homerun.
I honestly wish they would ditch EMA, MMA $10 packs, $50 drafts and continue more sets in this vein.
I agree as well with you guys
As a matter of fact, conspiracy booster packs they can be found in target/wal-mart so that's how many they print of this set.
I'm all set to get burgeoning for my elemental edh deck once it drops enough.n(ps my first ever edh deck by the way.)
And same can be said about horn of greed for a eldrazi deck
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
My only gripe with the set is where are the construct that affect draft? They were and continue to be awesome drafting. That said, the rest of the set far far exceeded my expectations.
They moved them to have colours because the draft matters cards were too OP. It was discussed in an article which I cannot be bothered to find, they said they wanted to force people to think strategically about the conspiracies/draft cards because the right strategy in CNS was to just slam them early.
Is it just me or did Conspiracy 1 have better, more fun conspiracies? I remember going conspiracies and as mono artifact as I could in the first Conspiracy but here most of the conspiracies feel very build around, where if you don't pick it up early and know that is what you are building they are going to be useless.
Also can anyone else get the conspiracies to show up on the gatherer?
EDIT: Post above me addressed this
"they said they wanted to force people to think strategically about the conspiracies/draft cards because the right strategy in CNS was to just slam them early. "
I'd rather face off against the original conspiracies too.
The only one I want to play out of the new ones is "Emissary's Ploy" and that only works if I get it within my first 5-ish picks.
The fact is that the original conspiracies were very generic therefore very usable...and very abusable. The new ones require more thinking, more deckbuilding around, and are generally weaker.
T1: Mountain, Cinder Wall, tutor up four more, tap Wall for mana, Cinder Wall, Cinder Wall, Cinder Wall, Cinder Wall, go. My turn ended with one mountain and five Walls, one of them untapped. Next turn I usually dropped Vent Sentinel, or whatever that cost up to six mana.
This kind of play would be not possible here, the new conspiracies are not so game-warping an offer just modest bonuses or advantages.
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65 new cards all told in conspiracy 1, 80 new cards here. 210 total in CNS, 221 here, so thats 31% new first time round 36% now.
Thanks for some hard numbers. Honestly couldn't remember how much of the original was new vs old, certainly felt like more just thinking about it, but doesn't seem to be the case afterall.
Still wish there were more new cards in these sets than old, I like Paliano as a setting, and it'd be nice to see more new ideas and mechanics getting used.
The only "miss" of this set is Inquisition at rare - and even then just because it makes no sense in a set designed to be played in 4 player multiplayer games and the average CMC of the "good" cards takes most of them out of Inquisition range. It could easily have been an uncommon.
If the problem is it being bad in the draft format, it ought to be rare. At uncommon, you'd see it more often. It was just added to make the card more accessible, most certainly. And since this isn't a limited print run set, the price will still go down. This is not one of the rarity upshifts people should get upset about.
The only "miss" of this set is Inquisition at rare - and even then just because it makes no sense in a set designed to be played in 4 player multiplayer games and the average CMC of the "good" cards takes most of them out of Inquisition range. It could easily have been an uncommon.
If the problem is it being bad in the draft format, it ought to be rare. At uncommon, you'd see it more often. It was just added to make the card more accessible, most certainly. And since this isn't a limited print run set, the price will still go down. This is not one of the rarity upshifts people should get upset about.
So is a rare because is bad in the format? That doesn't make sense.
It makes perfect sense to me. You could argue that it shouldn't be in the set at all if it's bad in the draft format, but since for whatever reason they decided this was the place they wanted to reprint the card, putting it at rare means that it appears less often in packs - if it was uncommon people would just see an unplayable uncommon all the time. Sure, I guess players will be upset if they're looking for a limited bomb at Rare and see Inquisition and be disappointed, but aren't most P1P1 cards in limited formats uncommon anyway? There's no set that devotes all its rare slots to draft bombs.
The problem with defining this format by what is "fun" is that everyone seems to define fun as what they don't lose to. If you keep losing to easily answered cards, that means you should improve your deck. If you don't want to improve your deck, then you should come to peace with the idea that you are going to lose because you chose to not interact with better strategies.
The problem with defining this format by what is "fun" is that everyone seems to define fun as what they don't lose to. If you keep losing to easily answered cards, that means you should improve your deck. If you don't want to improve your deck, then you should come to peace with the idea that you are going to lose because you chose to not interact with better strategies.
I don't know but out of the three draft packs I bought (9 packs), only non-draft non-conspiracy card that I pulled that was worth anything was a serum visions. My rares were bad monarch matters cards. The conspiracies geez, got 6 of the same common and only one uncommon plus two other commons. The packs also seemed unfriendly for drafting. I was severely disappointed. Let's not go crazy with comparisons of being better than a masters set. Most cards go to the trash when draft is over and you would really have to hit the lottery if you buy it for value.
I don't know but out of the three draft packs I bought (9 packs), only non-draft non-conspiracy card that I pulled that was worth anything was a serum visions. My rares were bad monarch matters cards. The conspiracies geez, got 6 of the same common and only one uncommon plus two other commons. The packs also seemed unfriendly for drafting. I was severely disappointed. Let's not go crazy with comparisons of being better than a masters set. Most cards go to the trash when draft is over and you would really have to hit the lottery if you buy it for value.
woow only 9 packs.That really is good representation of the set.
Also why is it unfriendly to draft it?
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I'm actually shocked at the level of value that Wizards dumped into this set, and people still have the gall to complain about it.
I completely agree. Not really sure why so many people are moaning about reprints. They added beast within! They added Serum Visions! They added IoK!
What else could you really ask for?
Also, amazing rare and mythics plus great new powerful cards for so many formats. This set is a homerun.
I honestly wish they would ditch EMA, MMA $10 packs, $50 drafts and continue more sets in this vein.
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TBH, the release of this set so soon after EMA is a bit baffling.
It's possible they're doing some sort of profitability comparison,
and if so, EMA is in for a rough time.
This set looks like both better value for what you pay,
as well as a more fun drafting experience.
It should do quite well, which will hopefully inspire more "unlimited" reprint sets.
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
I agree as well with you guys
As a matter of fact, conspiracy booster packs they can be found in target/wal-mart so that's how many they print of this set.
I'm all set to get burgeoning for my elemental edh deck once it drops enough.n(ps my first ever edh deck by the way.)
And same can be said about horn of greed for a eldrazi deck
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Standard: Jeskai Tempo
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EDH: Ghave, Token Master
But is Avatar of Woe really a more disappointing pull than, say, Undergrowth Champion?
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
65 new cards all told in conspiracy 1, 80 new cards here. 210 total in CNS, 221 here, so thats 31% new first time round 36% now.
They moved them to have colours because the draft matters cards were too OP. It was discussed in an article which I cannot be bothered to find, they said they wanted to force people to think strategically about the conspiracies/draft cards because the right strategy in CNS was to just slam them early.
Also can anyone else get the conspiracies to show up on the gatherer?
EDIT: Post above me addressed this
"they said they wanted to force people to think strategically about the conspiracies/draft cards because the right strategy in CNS was to just slam them early. "
I'd rather face off against the original conspiracies too.
The only one I want to play out of the new ones is "Emissary's Ploy" and that only works if I get it within my first 5-ish picks.
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1) Complaining about new sets
2) Complaining about people who complain about people complaining about new sets
I have nothing to complain about with this new set.
The fact is that the original conspiracies were very generic therefore very usable...and very abusable. The new ones require more thinking, more deckbuilding around, and are generally weaker.
I remember one crazy draft, when I had Immediate Action, Secrets of Paradise and Secret Summoning all set to Cinder Wall, that I played five of. If I drew one mountain and one Wall in the opening hand, it usually went:
T1: Mountain, Cinder Wall, tutor up four more, tap Wall for mana, Cinder Wall, Cinder Wall, Cinder Wall, Cinder Wall, go. My turn ended with one mountain and five Walls, one of them untapped. Next turn I usually dropped Vent Sentinel, or whatever that cost up to six mana.
This kind of play would be not possible here, the new conspiracies are not so game-warping an offer just modest bonuses or advantages.
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Thanks for some hard numbers. Honestly couldn't remember how much of the original was new vs old, certainly felt like more just thinking about it, but doesn't seem to be the case afterall.
Still wish there were more new cards in these sets than old, I like Paliano as a setting, and it'd be nice to see more new ideas and mechanics getting used.
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If the problem is it being bad in the draft format, it ought to be rare. At uncommon, you'd see it more often. It was just added to make the card more accessible, most certainly. And since this isn't a limited print run set, the price will still go down. This is not one of the rarity upshifts people should get upset about.
Draft my Peasant Cube.
So is a rare because is bad in the format? That doesn't make sense.
Draft my Peasant Cube.
It was release promo. No promo was announced this time.
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They *touted* it?
All I can see is this quote in the mechanics article:
Emphasis mine.
First of all, it is about as "new" as first vs. double strike. It is basically a hidden agenda for two cards.
Second, like EMN and meld, they were absolutely honest in this very article how many cards we can expect with it ;-)
I do not think it is objectively the best in a long time, but it is certainly good.
And who cares about Kaladesh? By my estimation, after next weekend and PAX, everybody ;-)
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Well now I just feel silly. I don't remember seeing that emphasized bit in the mechanics article.
woow only 9 packs.That really is good representation of the set.
Also why is it unfriendly to draft it?