$20-$30 Is generous. Maybe in the $60-$80 range. Remember that there are multiple Mythics so you won't necessarily open a Berserk in your pack, and people won't trade them easily and so on. Mana Crypt didn't go down because of EMA, for example.
Because EMA had a more limited print run while been more expensive so people are mostly hoarding them instead of opening it
$20-$30 Is generous. Maybe in the $60-$80 range. Remember that there are multiple Mythics so you won't necessarily open a Berserk in your pack, and people won't trade them easily and so on. Mana Crypt didn't go down because of EMA, for example.
Because EMA had a more limteid print run while been mroe expensivee so people are msotly hoarding them instead of opening it
Yep. I wouldn't be surprised if this plummets now.
I live how the Conspiracy sets are making the Masters sets look even worse.
I agree $20-$30 is generous, but in the opposite direction...I'd be surprised if they stuck that high.
RedGauntlet is correct; you cannot compare EMA/MMA mythics to Conspiracy mythics, Conspiracy is not a limited set and is not hoarded for its value for this reason.
Here is some interesting info about the print runs of older sets, since Wizards released print run info up to Fallen Empires:
Just to put into perspective how very few of them are out there in comparison the current player base. Even at a mythic this will shave a significant amount of value off of the card.
Conspiracy 1 had great value, but CNS2 totally puts it to shame!
Is this the best EV for any normally-priced pack?
(I know we need the whole set to know full EV,
but surely it's already very high even if everything else is Terastodon?)
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LMAO we get a handful of decent reprints and people are calling Conspiracy 2 better than Eternal Masters already? That's ridiculous. Eternal Masters had tons of great reprints and buying packs for $10 was worth it. I'm not going to list everything, but on eBay/Facebook groups, you can get Karakas for $45, Force of Will for $85, etc. Not to mention the other much needed reprints like Wasteland at rare and a ton of good commons and uncommons. Nimble Mongoose was a $3 uncommon before it got reprinted. Sure EMA didn't have everything, but what do you expect? They have to put some chaff in it, otherwise it would be impossible to find like the first Modern Masters set was.
I don't know why anyone else is saying it's price won't come down.
Because supply/demand curves can be tricky.
The knowledge that the supply of Berserks has increased may also increase the number of people actively trying to get them which will push the price back up, though perhaps not quite as high as it once was.
I don't know guys, why all the hate for EMA ? I LOVED the set. As a Legacy player, do you realize how many cards I got that I hoped for ??
Pyro/Hydroblast, Mongoose, Cabal Therapy, Animate Dead, Mother of Runes, Enlighted and Vampuric Turor (the later for my only EDH deck), Karakas, a Force of Will with reasonable art, Wasteland with cool art, Shardless Agent, Sylvan Library, Toxic Deluge, Gamble, Jace, Entomb, Hymn of Tourach, Sinkhole, Innocent Blood, Chain Lightning, Price of Progress, Sneak Attack, Green Suns Zenith, Natural Order ...
If I had the money I would have been literally able to buy beautiful new bordered cards for 1000's of dollars for all my legacy needs (minus Duals, screw you, reserved list ! ). I have since spent maybe 700$ ond EMA cards.
That set was insane !
But to stay at least a little bit on topic: Love the Berserk reprint nonetheless
I'm not going to guess a number, but the price on this will be a lot lower than the currently available Berserks are now. A lot. Its price is high not so much because of high demand as because of low supply. Sure, this is mythic, but it's not a limited set, so there will be a lot of them out there. How high can demand for new copies really be, when it's basically only played in Legacy Infect and Tropics are in the hundreds?
I don't know why anyone else is saying it's price won't come down.
Because supply/demand curves can be tricky.
The knowledge that the supply of Berserks has increased may also increase the number of people actively trying to get them which will push the price back up, though perhaps not quite as high as it once was.
Eh... not so much. In a limited set like the masters ones, sure, but conspiracy is printed to demand. Even at mythic, there will be plenty of them. The first few weeks it will likely fluctuate a lot but I expect it to settle significantly lower than where it was yesterday.
All that talk about price and nobody comments on the playability
I just realized that playing this on an opponent's creature while attacking other opponent results in a load of damage to the second one, or lesser load of damage + a dead blocker, and a dead attacker for the other player.
Yeah,I know,whoever drafts this will put it immediately in a sleeve,a deckbox and a safe
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Nice reprint. Actually deserves to be Mythic for just how stupidly good this card is in Limited, especially multiplayer limited. I can't believe they did this! I was already planning on getting a box just to draft, now I might pick up a second. This set already looks much better for getting reprints into circulation than EMA, and it has some interesting new cards for Cube and EDH as well. This might be my favorite set of the last several years, at least tied with KTK.
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Cards are not money, investments, or a retirement fund, and should never have been treated as such.
Wizards made a mistake caving to speculators once, and we still pay for that mistake 2 decades later.
"Entitled:" the entire ad hominem fallacy condensed into a single word. It doesn't strengthen your argument to attack motivations, it just makes you look like you don't understand the argument.
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I think this is great, though I would have liked to see it reprinted at it's original rarity, or at least no higher than rare. I for one welcome any price drop on the ABU versions, though probably won't drop much for AB, maybe for U .
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I'm gonna draft the ever living ***** out of this set. I'm not even that mad about the rarity bump.
On a related note, is this the largest, or tied for the largest rarity bump in a booster product?
Force of Will recieved the same level of bump. Unless we count From the Vault which has done the same to 27 other Uncommons and 9 Commons, though of the commons only 3 of them should be that common.
I don't know guys, why all the hate for EMA ? I LOVED the set.
Because it barely bettered the Masters product line.
-The price stayed the same, an annoying $10, if you were lucky to find it at that price.
-The print run was closer to MM1 than MM2. There was no reason to have the print run be smaller than MM2. A larger print run, around MM2's, would have helped keep the set not only more accessible, but at the price they were intending to sell it at.
-The really bad choices for some reprints, like the Hondens and Coliseum champions are two cycles that didn't need to be anywhere near this.
+Now I can give credit where credit is due, this set had better reprints MM2. It wasn't as good as MM1, but they definitely tried, unfortunately....
-Plenty of the reprints were bumped up one or two rarities, under the guise of Limited, when many were clearly because of price. More often than not a reprint was bumped up because these cards are too close the Reserved List and they didn't want to anger anyone.Force of Will, Karakas, and Natural Order are not mythic in limited. Natural Order can only really get 3 or 4 big creatures, and one you have to cast to get the full effect which hurts it even more, unless you want a specific elf for some reason. This goes even further to Rares with things like Shardless Agent, which is somehow better(?) than Bloodbraid Elf, an uncommon. This is probably EMA's biggest problem. Sure we got great reprints, but many were soured by the fact that Wizards was obviously making them harder to get because they don't want their prices going down, which only added to it with the low print run.
-In addition to that certain cards that kept their rarity really should've gone down. Things like Giant Solifuge, Control Magic, Diminishing Returns, Pyrokinesis, and Unexpectedly Absent for example, among some others too.
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Because EMA had a more limited print run while been more expensive so people are mostly hoarding them instead of opening it
Yep. I wouldn't be surprised if this plummets now.
I live how the Conspiracy sets are making the Masters sets look even worse.
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What?
Generals meant to be drafted first in a single pack of 6 cards.
And here is the actual cube, meant to be drafted in 4 regular sized packs. (60 card decks)
RedGauntlet is correct; you cannot compare EMA/MMA mythics to Conspiracy mythics, Conspiracy is not a limited set and is not hoarded for its value for this reason.
Here is some interesting info about the print runs of older sets, since Wizards released print run info up to Fallen Empires:
http://www.usc.edu/dept/Deckmasters/archive/mtg/printrun.txt
Just to put into perspective how very few of them are out there in comparison the current player base. Even at a mythic this will shave a significant amount of value off of the card.
Conspiracy 1 had great value, but CNS2 totally puts it to shame!
Is this the best EV for any normally-priced pack?
(I know we need the whole set to know full EV,
but surely it's already very high even if everything else is Terastodon?)
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
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Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
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Because supply/demand curves can be tricky.
The knowledge that the supply of Berserks has increased may also increase the number of people actively trying to get them which will push the price back up, though perhaps not quite as high as it once was.
Pyro/Hydroblast, Mongoose, Cabal Therapy, Animate Dead, Mother of Runes, Enlighted and Vampuric Turor (the later for my only EDH deck), Karakas, a Force of Will with reasonable art, Wasteland with cool art, Shardless Agent, Sylvan Library, Toxic Deluge, Gamble, Jace, Entomb, Hymn of Tourach, Sinkhole, Innocent Blood, Chain Lightning, Price of Progress, Sneak Attack, Green Suns Zenith, Natural Order ...
If I had the money I would have been literally able to buy beautiful new bordered cards for 1000's of dollars for all my legacy needs (minus Duals, screw you, reserved list ! ). I have since spent maybe 700$ ond EMA cards.
That set was insane !
But to stay at least a little bit on topic: Love the Berserk reprint nonetheless
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EMA had sweet reprints. This has a sweet reprint and awesome new cards. Win, win.
Conspiracy is also cheaper and not limtied(the biggeast issue of EMA)
Stay reasonable, be mindful of your expectations and don't feed the trolls.
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Eh... not so much. In a limited set like the masters ones, sure, but conspiracy is printed to demand. Even at mythic, there will be plenty of them. The first few weeks it will likely fluctuate a lot but I expect it to settle significantly lower than where it was yesterday.
Foils, though. That's gonna be some money.
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I just realized that playing this on an opponent's creature while attacking other opponent results in a load of damage to the second one, or lesser load of damage + a dead blocker, and a dead attacker for the other player.
Yeah,I know,whoever drafts this will put it immediately in a sleeve,a deckbox and a safe
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Cards are not money, investments, or a retirement fund, and should never have been treated as such.
Wizards made a mistake caving to speculators once, and we still pay for that mistake 2 decades later.
"Entitled:" the entire ad hominem fallacy condensed into a single word. It doesn't strengthen your argument to attack motivations, it just makes you look like you don't understand the argument.
Needed 3 more. Will get these for less than I expected
Feel free to tell me yours!
Uncommon.
Well, it *was*.
Drafting Beta must've been fun.
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
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On a related note, is this the largest, or tied for the largest rarity bump in a booster product?
I am told drafting did not occur almost all in the first few years.
What is the over under on this? ~100?
Selling some cards I don't want.
Generally less than tcg mid.
Because it barely bettered the Masters product line.
-The price stayed the same, an annoying $10, if you were lucky to find it at that price.
-The print run was closer to MM1 than MM2. There was no reason to have the print run be smaller than MM2. A larger print run, around MM2's, would have helped keep the set not only more accessible, but at the price they were intending to sell it at.
-The really bad choices for some reprints, like the Hondens and Coliseum champions are two cycles that didn't need to be anywhere near this.
+Now I can give credit where credit is due, this set had better reprints MM2. It wasn't as good as MM1, but they definitely tried, unfortunately....
-Plenty of the reprints were bumped up one or two rarities, under the guise of Limited, when many were clearly because of price. More often than not a reprint was bumped up because these cards are too close the Reserved List and they didn't want to anger anyone.Force of Will, Karakas, and Natural Order are not mythic in limited. Natural Order can only really get 3 or 4 big creatures, and one you have to cast to get the full effect which hurts it even more, unless you want a specific elf for some reason. This goes even further to Rares with things like Shardless Agent, which is somehow better(?) than Bloodbraid Elf, an uncommon. This is probably EMA's biggest problem. Sure we got great reprints, but many were soured by the fact that Wizards was obviously making them harder to get because they don't want their prices going down, which only added to it with the low print run.
-In addition to that certain cards that kept their rarity really should've gone down. Things like Giant Solifuge, Control Magic, Diminishing Returns, Pyrokinesis, and Unexpectedly Absent for example, among some others too.