For those complaining about this card's rarity shift: It always should have been rare. It is better than Thoughtseize. The fact that one mana hard discard was at uncommon is just more proof that Rise of the Eldrazi's development was terrible.
So yeah, run a full four IoK in either Legacy or Modern and see what happens when you can't snag that relevant 4+CMC card because "IoK is better and I don't need no Thoughtseize"
There's a reason why Seize was 50-60$ before reprint and IoK has never gone past 30$
Yes, there are cards you can't grab. But in a format with Lightning Bolt being the best card, and fetchlands/ shocks being so prevalent, paying 5 life on turn 1 to make them discard is not exactly the best thing in the world either. Why do you think an uncommon like IoK is worth so much to begin with?
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They got the black blades right, but aren't faceplates a symbol of Ulamog's brood?
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
PSA to everyone who keeps forgetting about the Reserved List:
You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
Guys it's Conspiracy. Rares here are unlikely to hold their value no matter what. Stifle was a $25 card when the original Conspiracy released. Now it's $5. Calling it a cash grab over and over again doesn't make it true. Inquisition is a much needed reprint in a large print run set that is going to be opened heavily for drafting. That's the opposite of a cash grab. If Conspiracy 2 is anything like Conspiracy in regards to its reprints, WotC can "cash grab" me all day and I'll pay for it, because this is significantly better than the actual cash grab Masters sets.
THIS. I don't see any good reason to move this to from uncommon, but at least it's being printed in a print to demand set (that doesn't cost thrice as much as their other pieces of cardboard).
Guys it's Conspiracy. Rares here are unlikely to hold their value no matter what. Stifle was a $25 card when the original Conspiracy released. Now it's $5. Calling it a cash grab over and over again doesn't make it true. Inquisition is a much needed reprint in a large print run set that is going to be opened heavily for drafting. That's the opposite of a cash grab. If Conspiracy 2 is anything like Conspiracy in regards to its reprints, WotC can "cash grab" me all day and I'll pay for it, because this is significantly better than the actual cash grab Masters sets.
THIS. I don't see any good reason to move this to uncommon, but at least it's being printed in a print to demand set (that doesn't cost thrice as much as their other pieces of cardboard).
Stifle was only played in Legacy, which doesn't have the same impact as Modern. It was used by a few decks and came from an old set, before Magic gained today's demand, hence the price.
And once again it's not going to be open that much as it's a supplemental set, outside of the Standard/Modern inclusion schedule. Most LGS will do a release event and that's it, only the most hardcore players will continue drafting it again and again. As a rare, it won't be opened that much and will be in higher demand compared to the rest of the chaff, so it's unlikely to bring prices down.
And yes, it's a cash grab, because it doesn't fit at all the world's flavor, and could have had a functional reprint instead.
In fact, thinking of it, replacing core sets by supplemental sets outside of the regular Standard (and hence) schedule is the biggest scam Wizards produced in recent times. Because Core sets were still on schedule, and were the perfect place for such reprints.
I don't honestly know what message this is trying to portray. Because, I mean, either way you just lost money so of course you're going to be mad. You're upset even though you're losing slightly less? That what you're getting at?
If it was reprinted at uncommon, I would have lost even more money. And yet I wish it was, because I'd much rather more people have access to the card at a reasonable price than lose more value on the cards I purchased?
.....remember that we had the same things at the first conspiracy? (card from outside the plane, rarity shifts, cash grab...)
So you admit that there was and since it is "the same things", as you said, that means it could easily be true here.
Yes, it COULD, but i'm not talking about possibilities. It could be, it couldn't be, neither you or me know the real answer.
The speculation is another subforum.
My only complaint is that this doesn't work flavor wise. But I guess Phage the untouchable didn't either in the original conspiracy.
This being a rare in conspiracy, which is not a limited print run and is even being sold in box stores, will put much more copies of this card on the market than it being an uncommon in a masters set. This will help the price more than eternal masters would've. Should this have been in Oath of the Gatewatch? I would've liked it to be, but they were dedicated to making all of the eldrazi spells have devoid. So it didn't fit. I also don't want to see a lot of these cluttering my draft field because a targeted discard spell in a multiplayer format is just bad. This card may end up being the forced pick in the draft if its price tanks enough.
Can't wait for everyone's rarity shift complaints when damnation finally gets a reprint at mythic.
Complaining that a reprint doesn't fit Conspiracy's flavor is like complaining that a reprint in 7th doesn't fit in with the whole Northern/Southern Paladins versus Eastern/Western Paladins narrative the set had going. It's embarrassing, ignorant, and it misses the point.
Yeah, this is a cash-grab, but no more so than reprinting it as a rare in any other set. It's certainly less of a cashgrab than if they'd put it in Modern/Eternal Masters, where it costs a bajillion dollars per booster.
Complaining that a reprint doesn't fit Conspiracy's flavor is like complaining that a reprint in 7th doesn't fit in with the whole Northern/Southern Paladins versus Eastern/Western Paladins narrative the set had going. It's embarrassing, ignorant, and it misses the point.
Yeah, this is a cash-grab, but no more so than reprinting it as a rare in any other set. It's certainly less of a cashgrab than if they'd put it in Modern/Eternal Masters, where it costs a bajillion dollars per booster.
And this is what bothers me. They build up a plane, care to make stories, then come with out-of-place Phyrexian and Eldrazi things just because. Again, it's like putting Batman and Mickey into Popeye stories because people love Batman, Mickey and Popeye.
You bring the example of 7th, which had a very light story background that could accommodate a lot of reprints, which isn't the case here. I don't really see what's embarrassing and ignorant here, unless you can't stand the argument.
Complaining that a reprint doesn't fit Conspiracy's flavor is like complaining that a reprint in 7th doesn't fit in with the whole Northern/Southern Paladins versus Eastern/Western Paladins narrative the set had going. It's embarrassing, ignorant, and it misses the point.
Yeah, this is a cash-grab, but no more so than reprinting it as a rare in any other set. It's certainly less of a cashgrab than if they'd put it in Modern/Eternal Masters, where it costs a bajillion dollars per booster.
And this is what bothers me. They build up a plane, care to make stories, then come with out-of-place Phyrexian and Eldrazi things just because.
They don't really give Fiora the same story and worldbuilding treatment as Standard sets and planes, though. I don't know why you think that they do, honestly.
Again, it's like putting Batman and Mickey into Popeye stories because people love Batman, Mickey and Popeye.
Its more like Putting Batman and Superman into a Green Lantern story because people love Batman, Superman, and Green Lantern. I think a story like this can do its IP justice. Its Leagues different than mixing characters that aren't similar, like in your point strawman.
You bring the example of 7th, which had a very light story background that could accommodate a lot of reprints, which isn't the case here.
How is it not the case here? We get a light story, with room for reprints. It is exactly as you described.
I don't really see what's embarrassing and ignorant here, unless you can't stand the argument.
I can't stand your argument for the same reasons I find it ignorant, and for the same reasons that you should be embarrassed to present it.
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I don't really see what's embarrassing and ignorant here, unless you can't stand the argument.
I can't stand your argument for the same reasons I find it ignorant, and for the same reasons that you should be embarrassed to present it.
Turns out I'm not, and I don't care about being right or wrong about a card game, I just give my opinion whether it's liked or not. Also, on his blog, Maro agrees this is a flavor fail that was required to put such cards in the set. Good day.
I don't honestly know what message this is trying to portray. Because, I mean, either way you just lost money so of course you're going to be mad. You're upset even though you're losing slightly less? That what you're getting at?
If it was reprinted at uncommon, I would have lost even more money. And yet I wish it was, because I'd much rather more people have access to the card at a reasonable price than lose more value on the cards I purchased?
I don't really see what's embarrassing and ignorant here, unless you can't stand the argument.
I can't stand your argument for the same reasons I find it ignorant, and for the same reasons that you should be embarrassed to present it.
Turns out I'm not, and I don't care about being right or wrong about a card game, I just give my opinion whether it's liked or not. Also, on his blog, Maro agrees this is a flavor fail that was required to put such cards in the set. Good day.
The reprints are off world, it's very clear what world it is happening on (Vampires with hooks on their body is particular to only one plane we know of), and if the original set was deemed to have strong flavor despite the abundance of off-world reprints, this one'll probably be fine too.
Oh, sorry, brainfart. I was looking at it on Gatherer and thought it was a different expansion symbol. They're starting to look alike now.
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Card advantage is not the same thing as card draw. Something for 2B cannot be strictly worse than something for BBB or 3BB. If you're taking out Swords to Plowshares for Plummet, you're a fool. Stop doing these things!
May be a rarity upshift but at least these packs are going to be cheap and I kinda like the art
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SonofaBith - Wizards was so excited about making the packaging for Modern Masters 2 recyclable, they decided to make most of the rares and all but 1 of the UC's recycle-bin ready too. Convenient!
What the **** is it with this absolutely disgusting rarity creep in magic? One thing I loved about the game was that good utility cards could be found at common and uncommon as well. Inquisition is a powerful discard spell, sure, but unlike thoughtseize it has a limitation. That aside, it definintely doesn't break limited in half, so why is this card a rare? Ah, right, because wizards would receive a never ending flood of hatemail and postings from shops and collectors who just lost... actually LOST money on their cardboard investment.
As opposed to hatemail from the entitled who didn't get what they want?
entitled as in myself? Is it really necessary that even the simplest of uncommons cost, like, 15 bucks or more? I just want magic to be a little cheaper and henceforth more accessible and interesting to more players. This is exactly like yugioh, where constructed chase cards are blatantly pushed at the highest rarities. Going by that logic, lightning bolt and mana leak should be at least rare too, they are very powerful in draft, but oops, they don't command a certain price, so they don't need to be rarity bumped.
I don't feel the need to write hatemail or something like that to wizards, they wouldn't care anyway. I'm just concerned about the game and want it to be somewhat affordable. Someone also said that we should be actually thankful, yes thankful, that wizards graces us with overdue reprints of good cards, which I consider a laughable statement. Wizards should be actually thankful to have customers that suck up basically everything the company throws at them.
You heard me right, entitled, as in you and people like you. WOTC is a business, not a charity. You are priced out of formats? Tough, don't play those formats, you aren't obligated to play them. And while you may not post hatemail, there have been others with similar feelings on the matter absolutely spamming hatemail.
What's with everyone hating on Wizards for upping the rarity? The Modern decks IoK goes in cost like 2 grand anyway, it's not like the minor difference the rarity shift makes is gonna stop anyone from buying it. It's a little more of an issue for Commander, but realistically it being a Conspiracy rare instead of a Conspiracy uncommon is only going to make a difference of a couple dollars at most, and it'll be significantly lower than before. Just be thankful it got a reprint.
You heard me right, entitled, as in you and people like you. WOTC is a business, not a charity. You are priced out of formats? Tough, don't play those formats, you aren't obligated to play them. And while you may not post hatemail, there have been others with similar feelings on the matter absolutely spamming hatemail.
You understand how ridiculous this line of thinking is though, right? "If you can't afford it it's not for you," is how Vintage and Legacy ended up being hilariously underplayed formats to the point of functional extinction. So when people ask for reprints of format staples, each of which easily costs the equivalent of literally hours of work for some people, they're not being "entitled". They're expressing demand for a product which is not being met by current supply. WotC can ignore it if they like, but in the long run it ends up being detrimental to the health of the game if they do.
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Yes, there are cards you can't grab. But in a format with Lightning Bolt being the best card, and fetchlands/ shocks being so prevalent, paying 5 life on turn 1 to make them discard is not exactly the best thing in the world either. Why do you think an uncommon like IoK is worth so much to begin with?
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
THIS. I don't see any good reason to move this
tofrom uncommon, but at least it's being printed in a print to demand set (that doesn't cost thrice as much as their other pieces of cardboard).EDIT: That should read "from uncommon"
UR Blue-Red Control
Modern:
UBR Grixis Control
UWR Jeskai Control
Stifle was only played in Legacy, which doesn't have the same impact as Modern. It was used by a few decks and came from an old set, before Magic gained today's demand, hence the price.
And once again it's not going to be open that much as it's a supplemental set, outside of the Standard/Modern inclusion schedule. Most LGS will do a release event and that's it, only the most hardcore players will continue drafting it again and again. As a rare, it won't be opened that much and will be in higher demand compared to the rest of the chaff, so it's unlikely to bring prices down.
And yes, it's a cash grab, because it doesn't fit at all the world's flavor, and could have had a functional reprint instead.
In fact, thinking of it, replacing core sets by supplemental sets outside of the regular Standard (and hence) schedule is the biggest scam Wizards produced in recent times. Because Core sets were still on schedule, and were the perfect place for such reprints.
If it was reprinted at uncommon, I would have lost even more money. And yet I wish it was, because I'd much rather more people have access to the card at a reasonable price than lose more value on the cards I purchased?
The speculation is another subforum.
So it'd be fine to have cards from Lorwyn and Kamigawa with original flavor text and plane-specific art in the upcoming Kaladesh set then?
This being a rare in conspiracy, which is not a limited print run and is even being sold in box stores, will put much more copies of this card on the market than it being an uncommon in a masters set. This will help the price more than eternal masters would've. Should this have been in Oath of the Gatewatch? I would've liked it to be, but they were dedicated to making all of the eldrazi spells have devoid. So it didn't fit. I also don't want to see a lot of these cluttering my draft field because a targeted discard spell in a multiplayer format is just bad. This card may end up being the forced pick in the draft if its price tanks enough.
Can't wait for everyone's rarity shift complaints when damnation finally gets a reprint at mythic.
Complaining that a reprint doesn't fit Conspiracy's flavor is like complaining that a reprint in 7th doesn't fit in with the whole Northern/Southern Paladins versus Eastern/Western Paladins narrative the set had going. It's embarrassing, ignorant, and it misses the point.
Yeah, this is a cash-grab, but no more so than reprinting it as a rare in any other set. It's certainly less of a cashgrab than if they'd put it in Modern/Eternal Masters, where it costs a bajillion dollars per booster.
And this is what bothers me. They build up a plane, care to make stories, then come with out-of-place Phyrexian and Eldrazi things just because. Again, it's like putting Batman and Mickey into Popeye stories because people love Batman, Mickey and Popeye.
You bring the example of 7th, which had a very light story background that could accommodate a lot of reprints, which isn't the case here. I don't really see what's embarrassing and ignorant here, unless you can't stand the argument.
They don't really give Fiora the same story and worldbuilding treatment as Standard sets and planes, though. I don't know why you think that they do, honestly.
Its more like Putting Batman and Superman into a Green Lantern story because people love Batman, Superman, and Green Lantern. I think a story like this can do its IP justice. Its Leagues different than mixing characters that aren't similar, like in your
pointstrawman.How is it not the case here? We get a light story, with room for reprints. It is exactly as you described.
I can't stand your argument for the same reasons I find it ignorant, and for the same reasons that you should be embarrassed to present it.
Turns out I'm not, and I don't care about being right or wrong about a card game, I just give my opinion whether it's liked or not. Also, on his blog, Maro agrees this is a flavor fail that was required to put such cards in the set. Good day.
If you're gonna quote Monty Python at least say it how they did.
"NO ONE expects the Kozilek Inquisition!!!" (there's no "ever", especially with emphasis)
Thank you for clarifying.
The reprints are off world, it's very clear what world it is happening on (Vampires with hooks on their body is particular to only one plane we know of), and if the original set was deemed to have strong flavor despite the abundance of off-world reprints, this one'll probably be fine too.
On phasing:
No worries. And yeah, unfortunately it's getting harder and harder to make simple images that can't be confused for each other as set icons.
GW Rhys the Redeemed EDH
RUGAnimar, Soul of Elements EDH
WBRAlesha, Who Smiles at Death EDH
You heard me right, entitled, as in you and people like you. WOTC is a business, not a charity. You are priced out of formats? Tough, don't play those formats, you aren't obligated to play them. And while you may not post hatemail, there have been others with similar feelings on the matter absolutely spamming hatemail.