I find so absurd all the complain about it, "cash grab" "out of flavor".
Man people memory here is so SHORT to not remember that we had the same things at the first conspiracy? (card from outside the plane, rarity shifts, cash grab...)
Really guys, take the common sense out of the closet before posting ¬¬
Just because it's obvious that there is going to be a bad rarity shift due to money doesn't take away from people rightly calling it a cash grab.
What card(s) got upshifted in rarity that is clearly based on secondary market price in the first Conspiracy?
You have no evidence that the shift was because 'secondary market value', it just your opinion (or should I say conspiracy thories?)
Anyway, there were cards that were upshifted rarity, what you belive to be the reason for those upshifts is irrelevant, it's your opinion, not the facts.
Those are the facts:
- Conspiracy had out-of-plane cards.
- Conspiracy had 'cash grab' cards.
- Conspiracy had upshift rarity cards.
Also people complaing about "cash grab"... WoTC is a company moved by it's profit, they don't make cards for philanthropy. WoTC will plant cash grabs whenever they can, they just do it in small dosis so they can alwasy keep going with that.
I find so absurd all the complain about it, "cash grab" "out of flavor".
Man people memory here is so SHORT to not remember that we had the same things at the first conspiracy? (card from outside the plane, rarity shifts, cash grab...)
Really guys, take the common sense out of the closet before posting ¬¬
It's still a cash grab. Much like how Pernicious Deed got bumped up to Mythic. Then again I can somewhat understand that card for Limited since having a mega wrath ready on the trigger is pretty powerful, especially in a multiplayer draft format. But IoK as a rare? You kidding me bro? Of course people will get mad. At least this has some value. I remember the nonsense of Domestication going from uncommon to rare just for limited sakes.
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To the people that say that a card needs to be a higher rarity because of Limited... I hate you guys so much. I present to you with this.
It's still a cash grab. Much like how Pernicious Deed got bumped up to Mythic. Then again I can somewhat understand that card for Limited since having a mega wrath ready on the trigger is pretty powerful, especially in a multiplayer draft format. But IoK as a rare? You kidding me bro? Of course people will get mad. At least this has some value. I remember the nonsense of Domestication going from uncommon to rare just for limited sakes.
Also people complaing about "cash grab"... WoTC is a company moved by it's profit, they don't make cards for philanthropy. WoTC will plant cash grabs whenever they can, they just do it in small dosis so they can alwasy keep going with that.
Yeah and us customers are responsible for their profits and we have the right to point out irregularities like these. Not going to stay silent and accept crap like this
I'd have to question the intelligence of anyone calling this a cash grab. Everything Wizards does is a cash grab. They're a business. They want our money, and most of the time they earn it soundly. I mean really, what a stupid thing to say. What should they do, put out more Homelands quality sets so they can't be accused of wanting our money? Stop being obtuse.
this UNCOMMON needed a reprint. badly. its price was absurdly high for a modern uncommon.
it did not need to be rarity shifted. it has almost zero impact in limited, even more so in a limited multiplayer environment.
What the **** is it with this absolutely disgusting rarity creep in magic? One thing I loved about the game was that good utility cards could be found at common and uncommon as well. Inquisition is a powerful discard spell, sure, but unlike thoughtseize it has a limitation. That aside, it definintely doesn't break limited in half, so why is this card a rare? Ah, right, because wizards would receive a never ending flood of hatemail and postings from shops and collectors who just lost... actually LOST money on their cardboard investment.
As opposed to hatemail from the entitled who didn't get what they want?
Guys it's Conspiracy. Rares here are unlikely to hold their value no matter what. Stifle was a $25 card when the original Conspiracy released. Now it's $5. Calling it a cash grab over and over again doesn't make it true. Inquisition is a much needed reprint in a large print run set that is going to be opened heavily for drafting. That's the opposite of a cash grab. If Conspiracy 2 is anything like Conspiracy in regards to its reprints, WotC can "cash grab" me all day and I'll pay for it, because this is significantly better than the actual cash grab Masters sets.
They don't want the card in standard, so it was either a rare in a Conspiracy set or an Uncommon in a Masters set, in order to protect the secondary market. It's good to see reprints, and I hope they do more.
So they miss like 10 chances to print IoK in MM2, Eternal Masters, Return to Zendikar and Innistrad. Instead, they create a flavor suicide and put it in a Conspiracy 2, then up its rarity. Classic Wizards.
Or... Or... what if they didn't commit flavor suicide? We're in a set called Conspiracy after all. We don't know if planar sized infernos that destroy corporeal forms are actually fatal to Eldrazi. Maybe this is foreshadowing.
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That would be because Hunger of the Howlpack was printed in Innistrad (specifically Dark Ascension) first, and was not a Fiora original. All of the original cards were Fiora themed, with the reprints getting new art that showed other planes, sometimes new art showing things in new planes than the previous reprinting.
There being only one set does not precedence make, but it can be assumed that the same rule will apply.
As for this card...*shrug.* I won't object to it, because I don't really want it in draft, so the rarity is fine, and Conspiracy isn't a limited print run (and will be in big box stores this time) so it's a better place to print it than just about any other supplemental set.
I just bought a playset last week, and I'm still upset that this is a rare.
I don't honestly know what message this is trying to portray. Because, I mean, either way you just lost money so of course you're going to be mad. You're upset even though you're losing slightly less? That what you're getting at?
It's still a cash grab. Much like how Pernicious Deed got bumped up to Mythic. Then again I can somewhat understand that card for Limited since having a mega wrath ready on the trigger is pretty powerful, especially in a multiplayer draft format.
The only reason Pernicious Deed wasn't a mythic before was because mythic rarity didn't exist yet. Seriously, look at the list of Apocalypse rares sometime; there are maybe threeothercards that would have a better case for mythic than Deed, and none come close to its combination of raw power and storyline relevance.
On topic: surprised to see it here, a little disappointed it's at rare, but not too broken up about it. Conspiracy 2: Marchesa Boogaloo being a regular printing means that there should be more of these available with it printed at rare than there are Cabal Therapy at uncommon from EMA. There should be a point where you can get a playset for under $25 in a couple months. I'm willing to bet the majority of people *****ing about this being a "cash grab" are the same people who, a la crossfit practitioners, militant vegans, and anti-vaxxers, can't wait to tell you how they NEVER EVER EVER buy any sealed product.
I'm disappointed, but not surprised. With both WotC and the "Cash Grab" complaints actually.
I didn't really want to say this, but all these complaints annoyed me that I just have to state it - MTG is a cash grab for WotC in the first place and the only true "entitled entity" in this game is WotC. The game relies on quantity of customers, so the volume of complaints mean nothing if it doesn't translate to equal volume of money turned away from them, unless said volume comes from "quality consumers" they themselves approved (basically the pros) and even that only usually applies to the tournament scene, not the manufacturing.
Still going to be disappointed to see this as a rare in my pack (if I draft/open any), but they're entitled to perform the rarity bump and honestly, even if I didn't touch a single Conspiracy 2 pack, it's not going to change their mind. That being said, this isn't a Masters set and if Conspiracy 1 is any indicator, the market is going to be flooded with these boosters at MSRP and Inqusition is on its way down to pack prices (if it hadn't already, I don't check the market too frequently now).
People are more upset with the silver symbol turning gold than the real impact it will have on anything (draft, prices...) People would be happier to sse this as an uncommon on a master's set rather than rare in conspiracy.
Looking how the price of expensive uncommons (like path to exile) nearly didn't move when released on a masters set, and how expensive rares (such as exploration, stifle and misdirection) tanked when released on conspiracy, it's not far fetched to belive that being rare on conspiracy will put more copies on the market than being uncommon on a master set. But since people care more about the expansion symbol color, they would be happier to see this as an uncommon on a master set.
"But they could make it uncommon and reduce the price even more", Wizards is here for business, not for charity. If a card has both the price and power level of a rare, why can't wizard print it as a rare? It's ridiculous that some people even feel "betrayed" when we all know that rarity shifts can happen for various reason.
In 2013 they reprinted Tarmogoyf as mythic, and since that point it's been crystal clear that high secondary market prices triggers rarity upshifts. That's three years ago, I can't believe people are still getting surprised and upset by this.
Either way, this will lower the price significantly, just not crash it completely. You will get an affordable playset in a month. Am I weird if my main gripe with the rarity upshift is the holostamp?
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Stay reasonable, be mindful of your expectations and don't feed the trolls.
I love it how when things don't get reprinted and people are mad, and then when they get reprinted, people are still mad and call it a moneygrab.
Anyway, it's an amazing reprint, which gives me hope that this set will have more quality reprints to offers, just like its predecessor.
Of course it's a money grab. We're just out of 2 blocks that spam us with Eldrazi, and they reprint one of the most sought-after eldrazi cards in a supplemental product completely unrelated to these blocks.
Well, IoK was in the pipeline for the BFZ block, but it was removed for developmental concerns. It also didn't fit the theme of "Eldrazi are exiling everything", meaning it would have stuck out like a sore thumb.
"Developmental issues" has become the new excuse for things like this. Liliana of the Veil wasn't also in SOI or EMN because of "developmental issues", still failing to prove she "warped" (another buzzword for not reprinting things) Standard the time she was in (hint: she didn't). Doesn't mean her latest incarnation isn't cool though. "Developmental concerns" didn't see things like the quasi latest mono-decks Standard of the last couple of years though (Coco, devotion, Rally, Caw Blade, ...). So I don't even see how they come up with such an easy excuse.
Also Kozilek doesn't even exile things. Ingest and process were Ulamog's things. So even that argument didn't stand up. IoK wouldn't have been out of place in Oath.
When you read past the polish and corporate PR they put up each time about how careful they are with powerful reprints, you just see they're very well aware of the secondary market prices, the demand, and will always use cheap tricks like rarity bumps in supplemental sets to put them in. So they can, in addition, easily claim that the latest Commander Conspiracy Masters was a huge success.
If tomorrow Storm Crow becomes a Modern staple of T1 decks, you'll see how suddenly cautious they'll become with reprints, in order to not "warp Standard", and will find a home for it in Conspiracy XYZ.
What the **** is it with this absolutely disgusting rarity creep in magic? One thing I loved about the game was that good utility cards could be found at common and uncommon as well. Inquisition is a powerful discard spell, sure, but unlike thoughtseize it has a limitation. That aside, it definintely doesn't break limited in half, so why is this card a rare? Ah, right, because wizards would receive a never ending flood of hatemail and postings from shops and collectors who just lost... actually LOST money on their cardboard investment.
As opposed to hatemail from the entitled who didn't get what they want?
entitled as in myself? Is it really necessary that even the simplest of uncommons cost, like, 15 bucks or more? I just want magic to be a little cheaper and henceforth more accessible and interesting to more players. This is exactly like yugioh, where constructed chase cards are blatantly pushed at the highest rarities. Going by that logic, lightning bolt and mana leak should be at least rare too, they are very powerful in draft, but oops, they don't command a certain price, so they don't need to be rarity bumped.
I don't feel the need to write hatemail or something like that to wizards, they wouldn't care anyway. I'm just concerned about the game and want it to be somewhat affordable. Someone also said that we should be actually thankful, yes thankful, that wizards graces us with overdue reprints of good cards, which I consider a laughable statement. Wizards should be actually thankful to have customers that suck up basically everything the company throws at them.
I'm SO SICK of the "too strong for Standard" argument. It's the new "Dies to removal". We can have a two mana 4/4 with a zillion abilities, but we can't just have Accumulated Knowledge. Makes sense.
Also Kozilek doesn't even exile things. Ingest and process were Ulamog's things. So even that argument didn't stand up. IoK wouldn't have been out of place in Oath.
Kozilek's brood also exiled things. Ingest/Process were exclusively Ulamog, but exiling in general waspartofKozilek'swheelhouse.
Also, Inquisition doesn't have devoid.
And they probably still would have bumped the rarity anyway...
Just because it's obvious that there is going to be a bad rarity shift due to money doesn't take away from people rightly calling it a cash grab.
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Anyway, there were cards that were upshifted rarity, what you belive to be the reason for those upshifts is irrelevant, it's your opinion, not the facts.
Those are the facts:
- Conspiracy had out-of-plane cards.
- Conspiracy had 'cash grab' cards.
- Conspiracy had upshift rarity cards.
Also people complaing about "cash grab"... WoTC is a company moved by it's profit, they don't make cards for philanthropy. WoTC will plant cash grabs whenever they can, they just do it in small dosis so they can alwasy keep going with that.
It's still a cash grab. Much like how Pernicious Deed got bumped up to Mythic. Then again I can somewhat understand that card for Limited since having a mega wrath ready on the trigger is pretty powerful, especially in a multiplayer draft format. But IoK as a rare? You kidding me bro? Of course people will get mad. At least this has some value. I remember the nonsense of Domestication going from uncommon to rare just for limited sakes.
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this UNCOMMON needed a reprint. badly. its price was absurdly high for a modern uncommon.
it did not need to be rarity shifted. it has almost zero impact in limited, even more so in a limited multiplayer environment.
bumping it up to rare is a blatant cash grab.
As opposed to hatemail from the entitled who didn't get what they want?
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That would be because Hunger of the Howlpack was printed in Innistrad (specifically Dark Ascension) first, and was not a Fiora original. All of the original cards were Fiora themed, with the reprints getting new art that showed other planes, sometimes new art showing things in new planes than the previous reprinting.
There being only one set does not precedence make, but it can be assumed that the same rule will apply.
As for this card...*shrug.* I won't object to it, because I don't really want it in draft, so the rarity is fine, and Conspiracy isn't a limited print run (and will be in big box stores this time) so it's a better place to print it than just about any other supplemental set.
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I don't honestly know what message this is trying to portray. Because, I mean, either way you just lost money so of course you're going to be mad. You're upset even though you're losing slightly less? That what you're getting at?
The only reason Pernicious Deed wasn't a mythic before was because mythic rarity didn't exist yet. Seriously, look at the list of Apocalypse rares sometime; there are maybe three other cards that would have a better case for mythic than Deed, and none come close to its combination of raw power and storyline relevance.
On topic: surprised to see it here, a little disappointed it's at rare, but not too broken up about it. Conspiracy 2: Marchesa Boogaloo being a regular printing means that there should be more of these available with it printed at rare than there are Cabal Therapy at uncommon from EMA. There should be a point where you can get a playset for under $25 in a couple months. I'm willing to bet the majority of people *****ing about this being a "cash grab" are the same people who, a la crossfit practitioners, militant vegans, and anti-vaxxers, can't wait to tell you how they NEVER EVER EVER buy any sealed product.
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I didn't really want to say this, but all these complaints annoyed me that I just have to state it - MTG is a cash grab for WotC in the first place and the only true "entitled entity" in this game is WotC. The game relies on quantity of customers, so the volume of complaints mean nothing if it doesn't translate to equal volume of money turned away from them, unless said volume comes from "quality consumers" they themselves approved (basically the pros) and even that only usually applies to the tournament scene, not the manufacturing.
Still going to be disappointed to see this as a rare in my pack (if I draft/open any), but they're entitled to perform the rarity bump and honestly, even if I didn't touch a single Conspiracy 2 pack, it's not going to change their mind. That being said, this isn't a Masters set and if Conspiracy 1 is any indicator, the market is going to be flooded with these boosters at MSRP and Inqusition is on its way down to pack prices (if it hadn't already, I don't check the market too frequently now).
Looking how the price of expensive uncommons (like path to exile) nearly didn't move when released on a masters set, and how expensive rares (such as exploration, stifle and misdirection) tanked when released on conspiracy, it's not far fetched to belive that being rare on conspiracy will put more copies on the market than being uncommon on a master set. But since people care more about the expansion symbol color, they would be happier to see this as an uncommon on a master set.
"But they could make it uncommon and reduce the price even more", Wizards is here for business, not for charity. If a card has both the price and power level of a rare, why can't wizard print it as a rare? It's ridiculous that some people even feel "betrayed" when we all know that rarity shifts can happen for various reason.
Either way, this will lower the price significantly, just not crash it completely. You will get an affordable playset in a month. Am I weird if my main gripe with the rarity upshift is the holostamp?
Stay reasonable, be mindful of your expectations and don't feed the trolls.
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Wizards don't reprint IoK in BFZ, players complain.
Wizards don't reprint IoK in OGW, players complain.
Wizards don't reprint IoK in SOI, players complain.
Wizards don't reprint IoK in EMA, players complain.
Wizards don't reprint IoK in EMN, players complain.
Wizards reprint IoK in CN2, players complain.
Result, players always complain.
Damned if they do, damned if they don't.
But you said yourself in your previous post that the previous Conspiracy had cards that were...
So you admit that there was and since it is "the same things", as you said, that means it could easily be true here.
"Developmental issues" has become the new excuse for things like this. Liliana of the Veil wasn't also in SOI or EMN because of "developmental issues", still failing to prove she "warped" (another buzzword for not reprinting things) Standard the time she was in (hint: she didn't). Doesn't mean her latest incarnation isn't cool though. "Developmental concerns" didn't see things like the quasi latest mono-decks Standard of the last couple of years though (Coco, devotion, Rally, Caw Blade, ...). So I don't even see how they come up with such an easy excuse.
Also Kozilek doesn't even exile things. Ingest and process were Ulamog's things. So even that argument didn't stand up. IoK wouldn't have been out of place in Oath.
When you read past the polish and corporate PR they put up each time about how careful they are with powerful reprints, you just see they're very well aware of the secondary market prices, the demand, and will always use cheap tricks like rarity bumps in supplemental sets to put them in. So they can, in addition, easily claim that the latest Commander Conspiracy Masters was a huge success.
If tomorrow Storm Crow becomes a Modern staple of T1 decks, you'll see how suddenly cautious they'll become with reprints, in order to not "warp Standard", and will find a home for it in Conspiracy XYZ.
entitled as in myself? Is it really necessary that even the simplest of uncommons cost, like, 15 bucks or more? I just want magic to be a little cheaper and henceforth more accessible and interesting to more players. This is exactly like yugioh, where constructed chase cards are blatantly pushed at the highest rarities. Going by that logic, lightning bolt and mana leak should be at least rare too, they are very powerful in draft, but oops, they don't command a certain price, so they don't need to be rarity bumped.
I don't feel the need to write hatemail or something like that to wizards, they wouldn't care anyway. I'm just concerned about the game and want it to be somewhat affordable. Someone also said that we should be actually thankful, yes thankful, that wizards graces us with overdue reprints of good cards, which I consider a laughable statement. Wizards should be actually thankful to have customers that suck up basically everything the company throws at them.
Also, Inquisition doesn't have devoid.
And they probably still would have bumped the rarity anyway...