She is incredibly powerful. If she was modern legal she might have helped esper control decks (instead of the jeskai nahiri ones that we have right now). Unfortunately, for as powerful as she is, vintage and legacy are a very very very high bar and I don't think she hits the bar. The fact that her -2 is double advantage for you is pretty insane, considering she can go -2/-2/0 and repeat.
More like -2, gets bolted after your opponent discards something to reanimate.
Was there a different PW spoiled first I didn't see?
I believe it refers to the first thread about Kaya, which had content problems (off-topic posts, racism, sexism, trolling, flaming, etc.). I am renaming the thread to make it clearer.
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Anyway, card looks neat! What cool design! I have a feeling it'll play better than one may think at first glance. The 0 ability can have a lot of applications, obviously starting with resetting her loyalty, but paving the way for an attack or getting more ETB value out of your own creatures. Cool stuff. Probably not going to break any eternal formats or anything, but it seems like a lot of fun.
Kaya's got some pretty sweet style too. She seems like a rad character, and I dig her jacket. Oh no! I'm off-topic! Next come riots, panic in the streets! lol...
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It's weird, I know that most PWs would still be playable even without their ult, but a PW not having an ult makes her feel not-planeswalkerey somehow. As she stands she's sorta like a less severe Demonic Pact, with weaker effects, but once the time is up, you only lose 2 life instead of the game.
Talk only about the card, everything else is off topic
Why is this even necessary?
Anyway, card looks neat! What cool design! I have a feeling it'll play better than one may think at first glance. The 0 ability can have a lot of applications, obviously starting with resetting her loyalty, but paving the way for an attack or getting more ETB value out of your own creatures. Cool stuff. Probably not going to break any eternal formats or anything, but it seems like a lot of fun.
Kaya's got some pretty sweet style too. She seems like a rad character, and I dig her jacket. Oh no! I'm off-topic! Next come riots, panic in the streets! lol...
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Oh yeah, you blink her or a creature to keep her from being attack and accomplish..what? Like you play her, blink a creature, lose 2 life, then that creature comes back your next turn and you either have to blink it again to protect her again or use a different ability and completely defeat the purpose of having blinked the creature in the first place? Or you blink her, and then blink her again and do nothing but lose life with her over and over.
Are you a little grumpy today?
First, she's white, ...which upset you... but makes her best friends with containment priest.
Second, she can blink tokens.
Third, she keeps the creature gone for a LONG time, so GREAT for politics. Imagine the good will I'd generate blinking a
Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur or Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger FOR EVERYONE.
Hmm, she's really interesting. She replaces herself immediately with -2 as well as taking a card away from your opponent, then can do it again next turn? She seems pretty good to me.
Kaya is amazing. I love the fact that she blinks herself (called it) or anything else. The amount of manipulation of the game state that you can pull off with her 0 alone is great.
-1 is meh. I wish they would stop putting this effect on nearly every B/W card and try some new things but hey, it's alright I guess.
That -2. "Hold on a sec, let me just gain a bunch of card advantage and then reset myself(and simultaneously protect myself) and do it all again." Assuming multiplayer, of course.
This is the kind of planeswalker I like to see. Interesting. Impactful. Self sufficient and fun to play around with.
Well this cements it. In both character and card, Kaya's a new fave of mine.
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Ohhhh I like when they do experimental walkers like this. Not the most powerful but I like the idea of a walker who blinks herself for a "+1" ability. Lower her down to 1 or 2 loyalty blink her and repeat.
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So in the previous thread there was a lot of 'her design isn't flashy.' Which... works, because her effects aren't flashy, she's a flat out utility walker. I kinda wish her -1 was a little more... useful, but it's fine, it's a nice way to shore up your own life and if you run lifegain matters she triggers your Oloro or what have you.
Her zero either protects her, resets her, or removes that thing on the board you haven't drawn the right killspell for.
Her -1 shores your life total up a bit, makes everyone bleed a little, nothing too fancy, but it does something.
Her -2 does more work, cantrips off her drop, and is probably the biggest draw to play her.
She isn't a huge threat, but she does enough to get things moving.
She was much better when I misread her 0 ability as being similar to Obzedat, Ghost Council.
Then I reread it. She's ok. A slight cut above the wet fart that Magic design has become. Doesn't slot in to anything I play, and sure as hell doesn't inspire me to build something new.
Not quite sure why the 0 ability needed the life loss. I would think having to wait until your next upkeep to get the card back (so you can't keep chaining her abilities) would be drawback enough.
Not going infinite all on its own is generally not considered a real drawback for a card.
I suspect this little lady will fuel a small price increase in Containment Priest, given how powerful both cards are on their own and how Vindicatalisious they are together. I'll gladly pay 2 life rather than 3 mana to Displacer to nuke things from orbit.
There's a definite political balance to playing Kaya in multiplayer - how to maintain enough good will with other players through the targeted use of her 0 for them to let her live or even protect her as she produces repeatable card advantage with her -2, or gradually pull ahead in the life race with her -1 (probably says something about my playgroup that they'd probably take greater offense to the life loss than having to discard cards, but it's a thing).
Very fitting for a planeswalker in a Conspiracy set - in general, she's more geared toward multiplayer than Dack was. Which makes her right up my alley. Or it would, if it wasn't for the fact that, inexplicably, both of my decks running both Black and White (B/W Khans Warriors, Mardu Allies) are board-flood weenie aggro decks that care more about "how fast can I kill everyone?" than any sort of deal-making. I'll find a place for her somewhere if I pull her, though. She's a sweet card.
(She kind of reminds me of a design I made for a Vraska card - it could either immediately ultimate, or perform "services" that tick her down in the same vein as Sarkhan the Mad. She's a mercenary, and she'll execute whatever assignments you can afford to give her before she goes on her merry way. Kaya has a similar vibe, though with the added flavor of being able to "pay" to re-up her "contract" if you can keep affording the life payment.)
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More like -2, gets bolted after your opponent discards something to reanimate.
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Unless Brago is a token!
I believe it refers to the first thread about Kaya, which had content problems (off-topic posts, racism, sexism, trolling, flaming, etc.). I am renaming the thread to make it clearer.
EDIT: Also, to be very clear and to echo Marquisd's post on the first page, any posts that have similar problems in this thread will be warned/infracted accordingly. The same goes for discussing those previous problems: STAY ON THE TOPIC OF KAYA AS A CARD. If you have questions, contact a Rumor Mill mod.
Why is this even necessary?
Anyway, card looks neat! What cool design! I have a feeling it'll play better than one may think at first glance. The 0 ability can have a lot of applications, obviously starting with resetting her loyalty, but paving the way for an attack or getting more ETB value out of your own creatures. Cool stuff. Probably not going to break any eternal formats or anything, but it seems like a lot of fun.
Kaya's got some pretty sweet style too. She seems like a rad character, and I dig her jacket. Oh no! I'm off-topic! Next come riots, panic in the streets! lol...
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It's weird, I know that most PWs would still be playable even without their ult, but a PW not having an ult makes her feel not-planeswalkerey somehow. As she stands she's sorta like a less severe Demonic Pact, with weaker effects, but once the time is up, you only lose 2 life instead of the game.
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WBC Eldrazi & Taxes CBW
UR Keep on Cantripin' (UR Phoenix) RU
WU Surprise! It's not UW Control! (UW Midrange) UW
BG The Rock, Straight BG
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RBW Mardu Pyromancer BWR
RG Rabble! Rabble! (GR Blood Moon Aggro) GR
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Are you a little grumpy today?
First, she's white, ...which upset you... but makes her best friends with containment priest.
Second, she can blink tokens.
Third, she keeps the creature gone for a LONG time, so GREAT for politics. Imagine the good will I'd generate blinking a
Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur or Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger FOR EVERYONE.
-1 is meh. I wish they would stop putting this effect on nearly every B/W card and try some new things but hey, it's alright I guess.
That -2. "Hold on a sec, let me just gain a bunch of card advantage and then reset myself(and simultaneously protect myself) and do it all again." Assuming multiplayer, of course.
This is the kind of planeswalker I like to see. Interesting. Impactful. Self sufficient and fun to play around with.
Well this cements it. In both character and card, Kaya's a new fave of mine.
-Chandra Nalaar
Haha, that's a good point. Repeatable blink effects like her's do work well with all of the Eldrazi processors.
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Her zero either protects her, resets her, or removes that thing on the board you haven't drawn the right killspell for.
Her -1 shores your life total up a bit, makes everyone bleed a little, nothing too fancy, but it does something.
Her -2 does more work, cantrips off her drop, and is probably the biggest draw to play her.
She isn't a huge threat, but she does enough to get things moving.
Then I reread it. She's ok. A slight cut above the wet fart that Magic design has become. Doesn't slot in to anything I play, and sure as hell doesn't inspire me to build something new.
She looks cool in a generic fantasy kind of way.
Not going infinite all on its own is generally not considered a real drawback for a card.
Clearly, you're not a Johnny. Are you the wet blanket behind the instant errata to Marath, Will of the Wild, too?
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Very fitting for a planeswalker in a Conspiracy set - in general, she's more geared toward multiplayer than Dack was. Which makes her right up my alley. Or it would, if it wasn't for the fact that, inexplicably, both of my decks running both Black and White (B/W Khans Warriors, Mardu Allies) are board-flood weenie aggro decks that care more about "how fast can I kill everyone?" than any sort of deal-making. I'll find a place for her somewhere if I pull her, though. She's a sweet card.
(She kind of reminds me of a design I made for a Vraska card - it could either immediately ultimate, or perform "services" that tick her down in the same vein as Sarkhan the Mad. She's a mercenary, and she'll execute whatever assignments you can afford to give her before she goes on her merry way. Kaya has a similar vibe, though with the added flavor of being able to "pay" to re-up her "contract" if you can keep affording the life payment.)
The bad, not good for anything else.
Average value on resale not good.
Selling some cards I don't want.
Generally less than tcg mid.
Nekusar can't play her. Color identity.
Gideon Jura? The concept of an ult-less PW has existed for a long while. Gideon has more recently returned to an ultless form as well.