The thing is, primary red decks have been shat on for a long while. While He decks have popped up, often they depend on lots of G cards.
Why are you a "red player" complaining about red sucking for "a while"? It's like supporting a football club that keeps losing and gets bumped down to a lower league.
This card proves how many people are bad at evaluating cards in limited. This card can 2 for 1, if not 3 for 1 some decks. There are lots of 1/1 tokens and X/1's just at common in SoI.
The thing is, primary red decks have been shat on for a long while. While He decks have popped up, often they depend on lots of G cards.
Why are you a "red player" complaining about red sucking for "a while"? It's like supporting a football club that keeps losing and gets bumped down to a lower league.
You know I don't agree with them about Red, but your statement is... weird. People support ideas and other people regardless of popularity cause that's what it means to stick to your ideaology. I love Red, no matter how much Red loses or is bad, I will still love it. Cause it isn't Red that I love, but the idea of Red. Red is the color that says **** card advantage, **** dealing with enchantments, **** your bombs, I will just kill you before you can obtain those things. Red throws caution to the wind and goes on gut instinct. That is what people love and find attractive about Red regardless of power level.
Oh my goodness, the salt in this thread is unbelievable. Yes, clearly this will not be a constructed player. Yes, it is red. But it doesn't make sense to try to cram it into the "Selesnya OP" narrative, or the "we can't have modern's defining card in standard anymore, boohoo" narrative, because this card doesn't take up the pushed constructed burn spell slot or the cheap, simple, standard playable common burn slot.
It is a limited card, and it is a perfectly decent one. Very close in functionality to Blisterstick Shaman, which was one of the best commons in its set. Many people will have fun evaluating exactly when to pick it, and exactly how to play it, and it will have done exactly what it is supposed to do quite admirably. I understand that some people don't play limited, but they should recognize that every set is going to have 100+ cards that just aren't aimed at them, and it makes no sense to go into every single such thread and complain about that fact, especially when it is a card that has been correctly costed and will be something like a 2.0-2.5 in limited.
But look at what W got vs... well.. everyone. Red has almost complete Jank spoiled for them, and all that is left is filler. So yeah, R players are mad because we have been given complete crap. And no, this card is horrible. Sorcery speed, the token is a 1/1 vs Blistersticks 2/1, the token is in an irrelevant tribe, the token can't abuse ETB shenanigans, and just all around bad... 3 mana to do 1 damage is SUPER bad... hell, if it was instant it would be ok because you can surprise block and direct all the damage at the creature to make a sort of 3 mana bolt to it... but at sorcery, this card is crap.
And I am tired of seeing red being shat on -.-
The problem already starts with you identifying yourself as being a 'red' player instead of a magic player.
Everything from that point on means you will be biased towards every single magic card, and never will be able to evaluate a card objectively.
In fact, I am pretty certain that the card with the highest powerlevel in this set is red. Namely Bedlam Reveler.
This card has a very high likelyhood of getting banned in a format, and is incredibly pushed.
To finish this all of, even if red is underpowered compared to other colours in this block, it happens.
Powerlevels of colours always osciliate through magic history, and every single colour will get shafted now and then.
It is part of magic development.
So having a preferred color is wrong? I'm sorry but I love red.
The thing is, primary red decks have been shat on for a long while. While He decks have popped up, often they depend on lots of G cards.
It is not wrong having an affinity for a colour, but some people take it to an extreme, this causes them to emotionally look at cards. From your posts up till now it seems you are one of those.
Another example is your last sentence, RDW won the journey to Nix PT, which is 2 blocks ago.
Two blocks is not a 'long while' for magic standards, but for your feelings it surely is.
So the first white 3cmc common showed today as spoilers went up was a 1/2 that get +3+0 with delirium and when it dies gets replaced by a 3/2 eldrazi token. And people said we are too salty about this red card sucking and to stop comparing selesnya colors. People white just got a COMMON at 3cmc that is better than reds 3cmc vampire RARE! and that common survives this piece of crap card. It's official, wizards has made selesnya power creep.
Oh my goodness, the salt in this thread is unbelievable. Yes, clearly this will not be a constructed player. Yes, it is red. But it doesn't make sense to try to cram it into the "Selesnya OP" narrative, or the "we can't have modern's defining card in standard anymore, boohoo" narrative, because this card doesn't take up the pushed constructed burn spell slot or the cheap, simple, standard playable common burn slot.
It is a limited card, and it is a perfectly decent one. Very close in functionality to Blisterstick Shaman, which was one of the best commons in its set. Many people will have fun evaluating exactly when to pick it, and exactly how to play it, and it will have done exactly what it is supposed to do quite admirably. I understand that some people don't play limited, but they should recognize that every set is going to have 100+ cards that just aren't aimed at them, and it makes no sense to go into every single such thread and complain about that fact, especially when it is a card that has been correctly costed and will be something like a 2.0-2.5 in limited.
But look at what W got vs... well.. everyone. Red has almost complete Jank spoiled for them, and all that is left is filler. So yeah, R players are mad because we have been given complete crap. And no, this card is horrible. Sorcery speed, the token is a 1/1 vs Blistersticks 2/1, the token is in an irrelevant tribe, the token can't abuse ETB shenanigans, and just all around bad... 3 mana to do 1 damage is SUPER bad... hell, if it was instant it would be ok because you can surprise block and direct all the damage at the creature to make a sort of 3 mana bolt to it... but at sorcery, this card is crap.
And I am tired of seeing red being shat on -.-
The problem already starts with you identifying yourself as being a 'red' player instead of a magic player.
Everything from that point on means you will be biased towards every single magic card, and never will be able to evaluate a card objectively.
In fact, I am pretty certain that the card with the highest powerlevel in this set is red. Namely Bedlam Reveler.
This card has a very high likelyhood of getting banned in a format, and is incredibly pushed.
To finish this all of, even if red is underpowered compared to other colours in this block, it happens.
Powerlevels of colours always osciliate through magic history, and every single colour will get shafted now and then.
It is part of magic development.
So having a preferred color is wrong? I'm sorry but I love red.
The thing is, primary red decks have been shat on for a long while. While He decks have popped up, often they depend on lots of G cards.
It is not wrong having an affinity for a colour, but some people take it to an extreme, this causes them to emotionally look at cards. From your posts up till now it seems you are one of those.
Another example is your last sentence, RDW won the journey to Nix PT, which is 2 blocks ago.
Two blocks is not a 'long while' for magic standards, but for your feelings it surely is.
One red deck... in a sea of Wx decks. Sounds more like a meta deck instead of a real solid deck. Much like that random storm deck that placed first in legacy a few months ago. It placed because people were expecting to fight Delver type decks (most of the top decks were Delver variants). Back then devotion was the game.
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This card proves how many people are bad at evaluating cards in limited. This card can 2 for 1, if not 3 for 1 some decks. There are lots of 1/1 tokens and X/1's just at common in SoI.
ya but, this card is in EMN, so the limited pool will be mostly EMN not SOI. only 20 total creatures in this set have 1 toughness, some can make it higher, and 1/5 of those are rare. Plus only one of those cards cost more tham 2cmc so you are trading down. And it is sorcery speed. if you 3 for 1 anyone with this card its because they are the dumbest player to ever play limited. I'm afraid it is you sir, who is bad at evaluating cards.
This left red with a feeling of being way too sluggish which RED SHOULD NEVER BE. And this set has certainly been no help fixing that feeling. Red feels clunky and slow, and that's a direct contrast to what red represents and WHY RED PLAYERS PLAY RED.
I don't follow standard. I generally don't care about constructed. But I like red, but I hate it when Red is represented as mono-aggro is the only thing the color is capable of because I generally hate playing red that way. I want to burn creatures dead. I want to block with my first strikers for value. I want to play a primarily red control deck and the stars very rarely align to make that work. M13 limited was basically the pinnacle of red control in my experience all the pieces were there and it was perfect.
Please don't think you speak for all players when you make broad statements about people who like a particular color.
Why are you a "red player" complaining about red sucking for "a while"? It's like supporting a football club that keeps losing and gets bumped down to a lower league.
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You know I don't agree with them about Red, but your statement is... weird. People support ideas and other people regardless of popularity cause that's what it means to stick to your ideaology. I love Red, no matter how much Red loses or is bad, I will still love it. Cause it isn't Red that I love, but the idea of Red. Red is the color that says **** card advantage, **** dealing with enchantments, **** your bombs, I will just kill you before you can obtain those things. Red throws caution to the wind and goes on gut instinct. That is what people love and find attractive about Red regardless of power level.
It is not wrong having an affinity for a colour, but some people take it to an extreme, this causes them to emotionally look at cards. From your posts up till now it seems you are one of those.
Another example is your last sentence, RDW won the journey to Nix PT, which is 2 blocks ago.
Two blocks is not a 'long while' for magic standards, but for your feelings it surely is.
Here a link to the PT results:
http://www.manaleak.com/mtguk/2013/12/ptq-journey-into-nyx-top-8-decklists-from-fanboy3-manchester/
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One red deck... in a sea of Wx decks. Sounds more like a meta deck instead of a real solid deck. Much like that random storm deck that placed first in legacy a few months ago. It placed because people were expecting to fight Delver type decks (most of the top decks were Delver variants). Back then devotion was the game.
This aint your girlfriends meta! This is a man's meta! TURBO META.
ya but, this card is in EMN, so the limited pool will be mostly EMN not SOI. only 20 total creatures in this set have 1 toughness, some can make it higher, and 1/5 of those are rare. Plus only one of those cards cost more tham 2cmc so you are trading down. And it is sorcery speed. if you 3 for 1 anyone with this card its because they are the dumbest player to ever play limited. I'm afraid it is you sir, who is bad at evaluating cards.
I'm still waiting for a pump spell that spews a token out simultaneously because that will be very special.
I don't follow standard. I generally don't care about constructed. But I like red, but I hate it when Red is represented as mono-aggro is the only thing the color is capable of because I generally hate playing red that way. I want to burn creatures dead. I want to block with my first strikers for value. I want to play a primarily red control deck and the stars very rarely align to make that work. M13 limited was basically the pinnacle of red control in my experience all the pieces were there and it was perfect.
Please don't think you speak for all players when you make broad statements about people who like a particular color.
If it were my choice, I'd play Mudbutton Torchrunner and Goblin Diplomats in limited all day.
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