People are seriously underestimating this card before playtesting it. What about Reanimator? Gives them an early game body (weakness) while filtering and dumping out unwanted cards or targets for reanimation? Nevermind it fits into Standard as a solid 2 drop. The Delirium piece and the fact it could realistically be a 4/4 trampler on turn 3 are icing on the cake.
I don't see why people are downing this card so hard. It's an early drop that if it gets answered in modern so what.
Late game a traverse the ulvenwald into this guy once you have delirium up for 3 total mana is freaking brutal. Fetch my 4/4 trampling CA engine, with mana up to answer your crap. The first one might die to bolt, there's a strong chance the rest won't with proper deck construction in GBx decks.
I agree with the sentiment that this is the chase mythic of the set. It's overly splashy.
Personally not a fan of the artwork, although while I'm making blues clues references for clues, I'll call this guy Steve and make obligatory handy dandy notebook jokes because why not.
Wow, just read the first page and as is too often the case, I can't believe my eyes.
The card is great, pile great abilities on top of each other for the low costs of 2... and it's garbage? It beats, it filters your deck, it fills your GY, which is great in GB, it tramples, it pumps itself with synergy with his abilities...
Wake up folks, this is a force to rekon with. It's the replacement (or additional) sylvan advocate and might be good enough to be goyf 5-8 in modern. (though I honestly doubt it due to its color requirements...)
Edit: I see it's not only page 1... geee people, this is not a better goyf, it's a goyf complement. It even feeds and setup goyf, while preparing your next draw step.
It's surprising to people who don't regularly play the format, but delirium is not that easy to turn on in most decks. Especially top-tier decks. The vast majority of 4/5 Gofys get there off a card type in an opposing graveyard, not four types in your own bin. Basically all top-tier decks which consistently use the graveyard only reliably fill it with three card types. See Grixis, which can pretty frequently get a land and instant there but will struggle to get both the creature and sorcery on top.
This relegates delirium to the lower tier decks, frequently tempo, that use a combination of weird cards to fulfill delirium. This means decks that use Seal of Fire, Tarfire, Mishra's Bauble, and others. Can the higher-tier decks use these cards too? Certainly, and they have in the past. But a) it's uncommon (e.g. most Jund decks don't use Seal or Tarfire) and b) even when they do run the cards, it's typically as a 1-2 inclusion at most.
Could new delirium cards see Modern play? It's definitely possible and you'd need to test to know for sure. But if they do see play, it won't be because delirium has suddenly become easy to attain in Modern. It would be because the creature is good enough to include with or without delirium, or gives such an overwhelming payoff that you have to build your deck around cards that don't really have top-tier application.
This card is really strong and it will be a important piece in a future delirium G/B deck if such a thing exists. That said, I don't see the need to make it mythic. It is not that much better/different than rakshasa deathdealer (early drop with late game impact). Every deck that plays this creature will need 4 copies of it, so the price will become unreasonable very quickly.
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I like this, and while I`m not completely convinced, I`m going to test it in modern. The filtering ability is very powerful. It`s a drawless ponder that lets you remove cards from the top. That`s insane. The delirium +2/+2 is just an added bonus, the real power is in the pseudo card advantage it brings if it goes unchecked. And if it dies to removal, well... it`s a two mana creature. I think I can live with that.
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Wow, just read the first page and as is too often the case, I can't believe my eyes.
The card is great, pile great abilities on top of each other for the low costs of 2... and it's garbage? It beats, it filters your deck, it fills your GY, which is great in GB, it tramples, it pumps itself with synergy with his abilities...
Wake up folks, this is a force to rekon with. It's the replacement (or additional) sylvan advocate and might be good enough to be goyf 5-8 in modern. (though I honestly doubt it due to its color requirements...)
I think they wanted something strictly better than goyf because 'this is mythic and not rare'.
Pretty good card, but not really mythic feeling by any means.
what do you want it to be a 2 man 7/7 trample to be mythic, its a 2 mana 4/4 with trample that filters the top 3 cards of your deck (ideally, however not very hard to make happen) I'd say this card is very mythic, just because its not a walker doesn't mean it isn't a mythic.
mythic shouldn't mean crazy efficient, should mean crazy big or crazy complex or crazy important to the story.
a 2 mana 7/7 trample that's called "Little Puppy" and has the art with a poodle lying down in a sofa shouldn't be mythic, might even be common as there's absolutely nothing special about it, except it's completely broken and shouldn't ever see print at any rarity.
rarity is not about efficiency, or at least, should not be.
Cards like Worst Fears, even if it's really bad from efficiency standpoint is a proper mythic. Lotus Cobra, in the other hand is an utility card probably most suited to be an uncommon that weirdly enough got printed at mythic.
you realize mythic rarity is also a way to make sure that a card doesnt just brake limited right?
sure.
but a ton of chase mythics are not that good in limited, nor are big or weird or complex enough.
they're mythic just to sell packs.
just like this Grim Flayer, or Lotus Cobra or Voice of Resurgence
sure it's good on limited, it's also good on constructed and on kitchen tables, and everywhere else.
but even at uncommon, it wouldn't break limited.
make it rare and everyone is happy.
card will be crazy expensive because everyone will want a playset and it's a mythic.
also, I really think that they should stop taking all the power away from commons...
I mean, Lightning Bolt was a common once and there was no issues with it.
today, commons are mainly limited fodder...
if you look through all the decks that do fine in tournaments, they'll have almost no commons at all...
this is weird.
I completely disagree with this policy of printing some bad cards that are bad for the sake of making other cards look good in comparison.
I don't understant why they print unplayable jank...
stuff that's not good for constructed, not good for limited, not interesting enough for kitchen table, not telling a story, etc.
there are plenty of those every set.
I can get behind your statement that common needs more power, and that cobra and voice to break limited, but this is just amazing in limited. however your argument is for sure a solid one.
At2 mana I doubt its even possible to be win more. It's just good.
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the problem with mythics in this set particularly is not that they're better rares, they're even probably the worst mythics in any set I remember in average.
It's surprising to people who don't regularly play the format, but delirium is not that easy to turn on in most decks. Especially top-tier decks. The vast majority of 4/5 Gofys get there off a card type in an opposing graveyard, not four types in your own bin. Basically all top-tier decks which consistently use the graveyard only reliably fill it with three card types. See Grixis, which can pretty frequently get a land and instant there but will struggle to get both the creature and sorcery on top.
This relegates delirium to the lower tier decks, frequently tempo, that use a combination of weird cards to fulfill delirium. This means decks that use Seal of Fire, Tarfire, Mishra's Bauble, and others. Can the higher-tier decks use these cards too? Certainly, and they have in the past. But a) it's uncommon (e.g. most Jund decks don't use Seal or Tarfire) and b) even when they do run the cards, it's typically as a 1-2 inclusion at most.
Could new delirium cards see Modern play? It's definitely possible and you'd need to test to know for sure. But if they do see play, it won't be because delirium has suddenly become easy to attain in Modern. It would be because the creature is good enough to include with or without delirium, or gives such an overwhelming payoff that you have to build your deck around cards that don't really have top-tier application.
As a grixis delver player, can confirm. Instant land and sorcery are quite easy(I generally only keep hands with serum visions in them) but pitching a creature in the yard is hard minus a lucky thought scour or like, a turn 1 bolt on my delver. Granted, my deck only plays 12 creatures, but a lot of top tier decks play path.
I do think this guy could see play somewhere in modern, and I KNOW he'll see play in standard(even if it's just as Advocates 5-8 in GBx)
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It's surprising to people who don't regularly play the format, but delirium is not that easy to turn on in most decks. Especially top-tier decks. The vast majority of 4/5 Gofys get there off a card type in an opposing graveyard, not four types in your own bin. Basically all top-tier decks which consistently use the graveyard only reliably fill it with three card types. See Grixis, which can pretty frequently get a land and instant there but will struggle to get both the creature and sorcery on top.
This relegates delirium to the lower tier decks, frequently tempo, that use a combination of weird cards to fulfill delirium. This means decks that use Seal of Fire, Tarfire, Mishra's Bauble, and others. Can the higher-tier decks use these cards too? Certainly, and they have in the past. But a) it's uncommon (e.g. most Jund decks don't use Seal or Tarfire) and b) even when they do run the cards, it's typically as a 1-2 inclusion at most.
Could new delirium cards see Modern play? It's definitely possible and you'd need to test to know for sure. But if they do see play, it won't be because delirium has suddenly become easy to attain in Modern. It would be because the creature is good enough to include with or without delirium, or gives such an overwhelming payoff that you have to build your deck around cards that don't really have top-tier application.
As a grixis delver player, can confirm. Instant land and sorcery are quite easy(I generally only keep hands with serum visions in them) but pitching a creature in the yard is hard minus a lucky thought scour or like, a turn 1 bolt on my delver. Granted, my deck only plays 12 creatures, but a lot of top tier decks play path.
I do think this guy could see play somewhere in modern, and I KNOW he'll see play in standard(even if it's just as Advocates 5-8 in GBx)
The GBx modern decks run an incredible amount of removal so getting him to connect shouldn't be much of a problem, and if you can connect with him or discard a creature to liliana, or liliana dies.........
When talking about how easy or not it is to turn on delirium in modern, I think we should differentiate between how early regular decks get delirium, and how easy it is for dedicated delirium decks to turn it on early. Seen that Temur Traverse deck that plays a lot of fetches, Bauble and Probe? Turning on delirium before turn 2/3 is easy if you build your deck that way. HOWEVER, modern Jund (for example) does NOT reliably reach delirium naturally for the first 3-4-5 turns of the game. We do not get to jam this in some existing deck and play it as a 4/4 on turn two.
However, I think people so far are too caught up with the delirium ability. That just helps it scale into the late game. The main product here is a bear that filters your draws very well upon connection. Try to disregard the "delirium: +2/+2" paragraph and evaluate the rest as a card. It's a two drop that must be dealt with. That's always good.
Modern playable? Don't know. But the potential is to big to write off as unplayable. I do not, however, think that it will live up to the Voice comparison, not even close.
I appreciate the effort but there has to be a medium as to where you can say a card is good, like really solid and not consider it hype either. Is it goyf? No it's not. Is it a shoe in to a modern or beyond deck? No. But for what it does at what it costs, you're crazy not want to try it out. Delirium is doable in modern fairly easily, it just hasn't really been worth it yet. What this guy does though, particularly in GBx is kinda scary. He can fix draws, fix Bob, enable delirium, grow goyf and be an evasive threat by itself. For two mana. Think about that.
Now that is not to say it also has weaknesses. It dies to almost everything upon being played early. You have to untap with him to get value. And he does cost two colors, which, while fairly minor, is still a weakness.
Over all, the biggest issue I see with him is what has to come out of GBx.
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We are inches away from mythics being strictly better rares.
This set is awful on every level. The flavor sucks, the rarity distribution sucks, and the cards aren't even slightly interesting.
the problem with mythics in this set particularly is not that they're better rares, they're even probably the worst mythics in any set I remember in average.
but then, there's a couple that will cost small fortunes such as this one
mythics should be either all tournament staples or all just timmy or jhonny weird and stupid cards.
so they'd have consistent prices.
they do both and transform our packs to a lottery ticket.
Worst statement on mythics EVER. Not all mythics are intended for constructed.
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Late game a traverse the ulvenwald into this guy once you have delirium up for 3 total mana is freaking brutal. Fetch my 4/4 trampling CA engine, with mana up to answer your crap. The first one might die to bolt, there's a strong chance the rest won't with proper deck construction in GBx decks.
I agree with the sentiment that this is the chase mythic of the set. It's overly splashy.
Personally not a fan of the artwork, although while I'm making blues clues references for clues, I'll call this guy Steve and make obligatory handy dandy notebook jokes because why not.
Last set, people were giving out that award to Relentless Dead.
The card is great, pile great abilities on top of each other for the low costs of 2... and it's garbage? It beats, it filters your deck, it fills your GY, which is great in GB, it tramples, it pumps itself with synergy with his abilities...
Wake up folks, this is a force to rekon with. It's the replacement (or additional) sylvan advocate and might be good enough to be goyf 5-8 in modern. (though I honestly doubt it due to its color requirements...)
Edit: I see it's not only page 1... geee people, this is not a better goyf, it's a goyf complement. It even feeds and setup goyf, while preparing your next draw step.
It's surprising to people who don't regularly play the format, but delirium is not that easy to turn on in most decks. Especially top-tier decks. The vast majority of 4/5 Gofys get there off a card type in an opposing graveyard, not four types in your own bin. Basically all top-tier decks which consistently use the graveyard only reliably fill it with three card types. See Grixis, which can pretty frequently get a land and instant there but will struggle to get both the creature and sorcery on top.
This relegates delirium to the lower tier decks, frequently tempo, that use a combination of weird cards to fulfill delirium. This means decks that use Seal of Fire, Tarfire, Mishra's Bauble, and others. Can the higher-tier decks use these cards too? Certainly, and they have in the past. But a) it's uncommon (e.g. most Jund decks don't use Seal or Tarfire) and b) even when they do run the cards, it's typically as a 1-2 inclusion at most.
Could new delirium cards see Modern play? It's definitely possible and you'd need to test to know for sure. But if they do see play, it won't be because delirium has suddenly become easy to attain in Modern. It would be because the creature is good enough to include with or without delirium, or gives such an overwhelming payoff that you have to build your deck around cards that don't really have top-tier application.
Stop printing 2 drop mythics.
They never feel mythic.
Also this is a fine card that will probably find a good home, but he's a rare.
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I think they wanted something strictly better than goyf because 'this is mythic and not rare'.
I can get behind your statement that common needs more power, and that cobra and voice to break limited, but this is just amazing in limited. however your argument is for sure a solid one.
Between this and the zombie spoiled last night, I can see why they felt the need to print Incendiary Flow.
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I advocate for the elimination of the combo archetype in Modern. I believe it is degenerate and unfun by its very nature and will always limit design space and cause unnecessary bans.
90% of red mythics would like a word with you.
As a grixis delver player, can confirm. Instant land and sorcery are quite easy(I generally only keep hands with serum visions in them) but pitching a creature in the yard is hard minus a lucky thought scour or like, a turn 1 bolt on my delver. Granted, my deck only plays 12 creatures, but a lot of top tier decks play path.
I do think this guy could see play somewhere in modern, and I KNOW he'll see play in standard(even if it's just as Advocates 5-8 in GBx)
Meh
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Also meh
That aside, I definitely want this guy for my Jarad EDH deck.
The GBx modern decks run an incredible amount of removal so getting him to connect shouldn't be much of a problem, and if you can connect with him or discard a creature to liliana, or liliana dies.........
However, I think people so far are too caught up with the delirium ability. That just helps it scale into the late game. The main product here is a bear that filters your draws very well upon connection. Try to disregard the "delirium: +2/+2" paragraph and evaluate the rest as a card. It's a two drop that must be dealt with. That's always good.
Modern playable? Don't know. But the potential is to big to write off as unplayable. I do not, however, think that it will live up to the Voice comparison, not even close.
Stay reasonable, be mindful of your expectations and don't feed the trolls.
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Now that is not to say it also has weaknesses. It dies to almost everything upon being played early. You have to untap with him to get value. And he does cost two colors, which, while fairly minor, is still a weakness.
Over all, the biggest issue I see with him is what has to come out of GBx.
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UW Tempo Geist
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GBW Ghave
BRU Thrax
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I advocate for the elimination of the combo archetype in Modern. I believe it is degenerate and unfun by its very nature and will always limit design space and cause unnecessary bans.
Worst statement on mythics EVER. Not all mythics are intended for constructed.
I see WotC isn't even trying to hide their favoritism now!
The only thing surprising here is how this isn't Legendary.
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
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Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
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WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW