I dislike the rate at which we are getting spoilers... I mean, they could even show me some commons and uncommons that aren't story related so they don't spoil anything for the flavor of the set. Stop making me wait an entire day to look at three cards.
I dislike the rate at which we are getting spoilers... I mean, they could even show me some commons and uncommons that aren't story related so they don't spoil anything for the flavor of the set. Stop making me wait an entire day to look at three cards.
We already have over 60 cards within 8 days, that's not a bad rate at all. In addition, it's a holiday today so...
Give it 4 days and you'll have the set anyway.
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My Commander decks:
Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
That -2/-1 is actually pretty annoying because it lasts 2 turn cycles. -2 is just okay. I'm going to guess most people, including myself, are underestimating her. Heck, I remember some heated debate about LotV. Let's see what she can do.
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My favorite flavor text: Time of Heroes
Feel free to tell me yours!
Really disappointed in Liliana. She's fine overall but I was hoping for a token generating Liliana for Commander.
She does generate tokens, just a bit slow.
She looks alright in control shells though, kinda like Jace, Telepath Unbound. Or they can just be on board together and slow big guys down.
On her face, she does create tokens. However, she will never reach that ultimate in commander (unless you already have complete control of the board and then I'd rather have any number of cards to finish the game). Its too slow.
She'll likely be fine as a bit player in standard. She might find a home in a midrange deck running heavy black. Her +1 is undoubtedly powerful for dealing with weenie-aggro creatures. She costs 3 mana, a sweet spot for walkers, and her -2 will be great in attrition-based grindy midrange mirror matches.
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EDH UBRJeleva, Nephalia's Scourge BWTeysa,Orzhov Scion GWKarametra, God of Harvests UW Dragonlord Ojutai R Daretti, Scrap Savant
I'm not sure yet about the power level but on both cards Lil looks absolutely fantastic.
No more eye candy or plastic looks, a real ancient sorceress bearings.
New Lili seems sweet. +1 decent defense, might kill things occasionally. -2 is good advantage but doesn't really advance the graveyard for relentless dead or diregraf colossus unless you flip 2 zombies or choose not to grab a creature.
People are severely undervaluing this Lilly. played on turn three her plus is great follow it up with a removal spell and she is just sitting there picking off small creatures and basically making sure you keep your best creature.
It's a shame intimidate is no longer a thing. Lifebane Zombie in standard would be pretty good right now without being too oppressive since it doesn't hit Nissa or Gideon.
Her +1 is really relevant in any meta. In a Standard dominated by Reflector Mages, Sylvan Advocates, and Gideon tokens its even more applicable than it usually would be.
The -2 is, literally, CA. Its hard to ask for more than that.
Ultimate is ultimate. Its fine.
I strongly encourage anyone being overly critical of Lilly's current iteration to go back and re-read the threads on LotV, Domri Rade, and Nissa. Then ask yourself if you *really* wanna be 'that guy.'
Sounds like people have hard-to-meet expectation for a 3 CMC planeswalker. She has loyalty equal to her CMC. She can kill stuff while ticking up. Comparing it to one the strongest, cheap, PW is unfair. Not every card can be a LotV. Plus, an inordinate number of value creatures in modern have 1 toughness (confidant, snapcaster, pyromancer...). She's very, very fine. Obvious money card of the set.
I really like this Lili, although I agree they played it a little safe with her -2. I can't see her replacing LotV in Modern, obviously, but I'm not too disappointed.
This card is a very solid value planeswalker, and people are definitely underestimating it. A 3 mana planeswalker is always worth looking at, and this one protects herself and has a way to generate CA, so it also meets the bare minimum requirements for a 4 mana planeswalker to see tournament play, let alone a 3 mana one.
The important thing about this Liliana is that she's going to be more like Nissa, Voice of Zendikar--powerful, but only in an archetype that wants her. You can't just throw this Liliana into a control deck and expect results. She wants to be in a deck that's all about the graveyard and using it as a resource, so that her -2 gets to work double duty. If she's contributing to your Delirium strategy, she gets even more value, along with just in general providing a strong rate of recursion for your creatures, making it easier for you to grind out a game.
The fact that her +1 is like Jace, Architect of Thought's cannot be understated, that will very likely shut down a possible attacker for a turn, and give you more time to set up. It also sometimes can just kill something, which is very nice.
Her ultimate isn't very good, but any deck interested in running Liliana is just going to be using her -2 as much as humanly possible anyways so I don't think that's even a consideration.
She's not a goodstuff planeswalker you can just throw into any deck and see results, but she does provide a specific strategy with a strong reason to play that strategy, and she'll do work in the upcoming standard format. And I'd much rather Wizards keep printing cards like this instead of mindless value machines like our good friend Gideon, Ally of Zendikar.
Both of these cards are spectacular. I anticipate that if she is played a lot, that declaration in stone and such will see more copies in the main to prevent gy shenanigans.
I like her. I'll likely be using the +1 on her most of the time (flavor win... she turns the 3/2 eldrazi back to meager 1/1s again) and the -2 if I need to get something juicy out of the GY. Ult is key, except to go over the top in limited. Good overall... IMO.
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Dunes of Zairo
SHANDALAR
Innistrad - The Darkest Night
~THE RAVNICAN CONSORTIUM~
A Community Set
Commander: Allies & Adversaries
But yes. Oath of Lili into Gideon is quite the curve.
UR Melek, Izzet ParagonUR, B Shirei, Shizo's CaretakerB, R Jaya Ballard, Task MageR,RW Tajic, Blade of the LegionRW, UB Lazav, Dimir MastermindUB, UB Circu, Dimir LobotomistUB, RWU Zedruu the GreatheartedRWU, GUBThe MimeoplasmGUB, UGExperiment Kraj UG, WDarien, King of KjeldorW, BMarrow-GnawerB, WBGKarador, Ghost ChieftainWBG, UTeferi, Temporal ArchmageU, GWUDerevi, Empyrial TacticianGWU, RDaretti, Scrap SavantR, UTalrand, Sky SummonerU, GEzuri, Renegade LeaderG, WUBRGReaper KingWUBRG, RGXenagos, God of RevelsRG, CKozilek, Butcher of TruthC, WUBRGGeneral TazriWUBRG, GTitania, Protector of ArgothG
We already have over 60 cards within 8 days, that's not a bad rate at all. In addition, it's a holiday today so...
Give it 4 days and you'll have the set anyway.
Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
Feel free to tell me yours!
On her face, she does create tokens. However, she will never reach that ultimate in commander (unless you already have complete control of the board and then I'd rather have any number of cards to finish the game). Its too slow.
She'll likely be fine as a bit player in standard. She might find a home in a midrange deck running heavy black. Her +1 is undoubtedly powerful for dealing with weenie-aggro creatures. She costs 3 mana, a sweet spot for walkers, and her -2 will be great in attrition-based grindy midrange mirror matches.
UBRJeleva, Nephalia's Scourge
BWTeysa,Orzhov Scion
GWKarametra, God of Harvests
UW Dragonlord Ojutai
R Daretti, Scrap Savant
Modern
GB Tron
UW UW Control
I'm not sure yet about the power level but on both cards Lil looks absolutely fantastic.
No more eye candy or plastic looks, a real ancient sorceress bearings.
That looks quite a bit better than I expected.
The -2 is, literally, CA. Its hard to ask for more than that.
Ultimate is ultimate. Its fine.
I strongly encourage anyone being overly critical of Lilly's current iteration to go back and re-read the threads on LotV, Domri Rade, and Nissa. Then ask yourself if you *really* wanna be 'that guy.'
Choose one of these judge of creation:
Make Strionic Resonator shine!
You can not grasp the true form of Ashiok's attack!
The important thing about this Liliana is that she's going to be more like Nissa, Voice of Zendikar--powerful, but only in an archetype that wants her. You can't just throw this Liliana into a control deck and expect results. She wants to be in a deck that's all about the graveyard and using it as a resource, so that her -2 gets to work double duty. If she's contributing to your Delirium strategy, she gets even more value, along with just in general providing a strong rate of recursion for your creatures, making it easier for you to grind out a game.
The fact that her +1 is like Jace, Architect of Thought's cannot be understated, that will very likely shut down a possible attacker for a turn, and give you more time to set up. It also sometimes can just kill something, which is very nice.
Her ultimate isn't very good, but any deck interested in running Liliana is just going to be using her -2 as much as humanly possible anyways so I don't think that's even a consideration.
She's not a goodstuff planeswalker you can just throw into any deck and see results, but she does provide a specific strategy with a strong reason to play that strategy, and she'll do work in the upcoming standard format. And I'd much rather Wizards keep printing cards like this instead of mindless value machines like our good friend Gideon, Ally of Zendikar.
Modern - Cheeri0s (building), Belcher (building), Lantern (building), UW Control (building)
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