Hum, curious to see Tamiyo in BANT colors. She honestly looks very monobluish to me. I don't see this 'values history and wisdom' as something exclusive from green, really. If you take a look at the story 'prodigal sorcerers' (that we had back when eternal masters was being spoiled) the old sorcerer (a monoblue character) taught the new sorcerer to 'let things flow' and not just follow books and formulas. He seemed very grounded in experience.
To see now that Maro is clarifying this as developmental constrain makes me feel better though. If she had to be in 3 colors, then I agree BANT is the best fit, but she is most definitely still monoblue in my mind.
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Her +1 interacts well with Sylvan Advocates and Always Watching (not that opponents are going to attack into your Tamiyoed Vigilance dudes, but that itself is kind of a win).
At first she looked clunky, but I imagine I'll be seeing a good deal of her unless WotC gives us a sweeper that isn't embarrassing.
Hum, curious to see Tamiyo in BANT colors. She honestly looks very monobluish to me. I don't see this 'values history and wisdom' as something exclusive from green, really. If you take a look at the story 'prodigal sorcerers' (that we had back when eternal masters was being spoiled) the old sorcerer (a monoblue character) taught the new sorcerer to 'let things flow' and not just follow books and formulas. He seemed very grounded in experience.
To see now that Maro is clarifying this as developmental constrain makes me feel better though. If she had to be in 3 colors, then I agree BANT is the best fit, but she is most definitely still monoblue in my mind.
Agreed. I can buy that the values history aspect can be green, but I don't think it's necessarily green. She has always struck me as a great example of mono blue.
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She literally is bant because we have never had a bant colored planeswalker before.
She, as is, could be printed 100% monoblue with nothing changed. There is literally no green in any of her abilities. You could at least argue that her abilities work for an azorius walker if she just had to be multicolor for some reason. As far as her character goes, the only thing remotely green about her is her "hands off/let nature do its thing" approach to her research, and the only thing white about her is..she's a good guy?
As for the card itself, she's good, really good at that. She just shouldn't be a multicolored card.
As a guy who owns a copy of Tamiyo in every language, 5 foils, 2 signed copies of the card and 3 total pages,I have been a big fan of this character since her debut.
My main, most important deck to Me is a Niv Mizzet Commander deck, and I really wanted the new Tamiyo to fit there.
That said this card is so well designed, so unique and powerful that I can only be excited. They devoted a lot of story and card space to her, and we got what is probably a competitive card out of it.
While I really wanted Mono-Blue for my deck, Ban is hardly a stretch based on her actions in the story. I do mostly see her as a strict Mono Blue ki d of character, but she does study natural phenomena, and she does follow a pretty strict code of order. Not saving Jace from Avacyn when she had the chance felt more WU than U because she did t want to cracking her world devastating g Wrath effect.
So I'm pretty happy with this, even though it doesn't suit my exact purposes. Looks like I literally have Jace to blame for that. **** you, Jace.
Neat card. Refers to her previous incarnation, great art, great card.
As for colors, I kind of expected UG, but 1) we just got Kiora in BFZ and 2)she would equally make sense in UW, so they just made her WUG. I can live with that.:)
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+1: Yes, mono-Blue has done it, but so has Blue/Black,Mono-Green,, and Simic. None of those have done it without the "combat damage to a player" rider, but Briarbridge Patrol has investigate on damaging a creature, which is similar and completely in Green.
-2: Azorius. It's the guild mechanic, for crying out loud. But if you insist, Kor Hookmaster just got reprinted, and Ojutai, Soul of Winter was U/W.
-3 Yeah, this one is Blue and has never been outside of Blue.
Maybe, just maybe, everyone complaining about how all of these abilities fit into mono-Blue have a point. Not that Tamiyo should be mono-blue, but that Blue gets a bit too much diversity in its effects, and needs to have some of these abilities spread out to other colors...
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+1: Yes, mono-Blue has done it, but so has Blue/Black,Mono-Green,, and Simic. None of those have done it without the "combat damage to a player" rider, but Briarbridge Patrol has investigate on damaging a creature, which is similar and completely in Green.
-2: Azorius. It's the guild mechanic, for crying out loud. But if you insist, Kor Hookmaster just got reprinted, and Ojutai, Soul of Winter was U/W.
-3 Yeah, this one is Blue and has never been outside of Blue.
Maybe, just maybe, everyone complaining about how all of these abilities fit into mono-Blue have a point. Not that Tamiyo should be mono-blue, but that Blue gets a bit too much diversity in its effects, and needs to have some of these abilities spread out to other colors...
well, I don't think blue would be able to draw cards from damage caused by other players creatures...
taxing opponents with something when they do something that benefits them is more white than anything else in this card.
She literally is bant because we have never had a bant colored planeswalker before.
She, as is, could be printed 100% monoblue with nothing changed. There is literally no green in any of her abilities. You could at least argue that her abilities work for an azorius walker if she just had to be multicolor for some reason. As far as her character goes, the only thing remotely green about her is her "hands off/let nature do its thing" approach to her research, and the only thing white about her is..she's a good guy?
As for the card itself, she's good, really good at that. She just shouldn't be a multicolored card.
Uh..her first ability is Blue/Green, her second is Blue/White, and her ult is Blue/Green(yes I know it's practically omniscience but green has a history of "put things into play without paying their mana costs") I'd say WUG fits her like a glove.
Her personality is more green than white, but mechanically this has all three colors fairly represented.
And she's real good at 4 mana
I wasn't expecting it. It's great.
Kiora can stay UG and Jace is hogging all the blue PW design space. UW is boring and we just got Narset. So yeah 0 problems here.
If the cost stops her from being used in constructed, great! I don't want to pay $20 for individual cards.
Who else thought this was a fake?
The ability effects look crowded, colors for colors' sake just to get that radical gold templating -and MaRo has explained it was due to shoehorned development.
"But she's TOTES green, stories 'n' stuff!" "She makes Jace look Grixis by Comparison!"
So then give us a UBR Jace. That being said, if anything she made Jace look UR by comparison in the story - and even then only out of coming off autistic levels of WU.
So let's consider the green. Doesn't green abhor grotesquely supernatural abominations the likes of Emrakul? Isn't that Nissa's motivation for wanting to take out the squid? (Beyond AH! MOTHERLAND!)
She didn't bat an eye.
They even called her Tamiyo, Field Researcher to compensate. Yuck!
Field researchers get their hands dirty, Tamiyo doesn't deliver the wide-eyed naturalist personality. She's a hell of a lot more 'Observe and report.'
She's so distanced she prefers to float on the ground rather than walk on it.
Jace has at least flirted (geddit?) with black in his ethically gray mind magic enough to warrant the odd UB card.
It has been requested by fans, and it has been denied on the grounds that the character should be more defined and not shoehorned. They even avoided doing a WU Jace, the Living Guildpact.
And this goes beyond Jace, which is obviously mono Blue's (and MTG's) Pikachu. Which is cool, we're fine with that. But we've also had BG Nissa refused (back when she was Elf Hitler who was -gasp- 'dabbling in black magic,') BR Chandra, RW Gideon, and the years before finally getting a GW Ajani. (Who was a freakin' nonbo with heroic!)
And three colors for a particular expression of 'walker has been shot down by R&D, sometimes not without condescension, like some kind of ridiculous pipe dream, including Bant Elspeth and Jeskai Narset.
"You say standard needed a bant walker? Look, you got Elspeth Tirel" "A good BR alternative to the crappy Chandra Ablaze would have helped dampened the dominance of Cawblade?" "Sorry Planeswalkers are developed separately to the rest of a set. It's a story + quality assurance thing."
After being told flat-out no so many times, arguably rightfully so, we've come to appreciate it. Yeah, we all got the idea. They want to make sure every color they do use on a card is well pronounced.
That's a good thing for the sake of the characters and in the end we were happy R&D stuck to their guns about it.
But recently it looks like they've done a 180, with this Tamiyo solidifying a trend set in motion by Sarkhan Unbroken.
'Development may dump colors into supporting cast planeswalkers.'
It's like a whole backlog of marketing survey feedback had come in, someone held a presentation at WOTC offices saying 'look how many planeswalker fakes are tri-color!' and they decided to cave.
Well fine then, we gotta get with the program again.
In that case I only hope they give us a BGU Vraska.
'Course who am I kidding, they'll make her WBG, and call her Vraska, Pale Face of Death. She now turns people into ivory and just so happens to serve as the set's niche for '-1: Exile target indestructible enchantment.'
"Hey! In the story articles she mentioned something about maintaining balance!"
Could we just figure out some kind of compromise on filler planeswalkers between the crummy old story-first . . . 'Lorewalkers' and these hideously jarring . . . 'Devwalkers?'
You don't call "dying to removal" if the removal is more expensive in resources than the creature. If you have to spend BG (Abrupt Decay), or W + basic land (PtE) to remove a 1G, that is not "dying to removal". Strictly speaking Goyf dies to removal, but actually your removal is dying to Goyf.
WotC are forcing previous mono colour planeswalkers into multi colours to make room for the Gatewatch. See Ajani, Sorin, Garruk, Tamiyo etc. When Elspeth comes back I'll reckon she'll be multi colour too.
They made Sorin white/black long before the Gatewatch was a thing. Same goes for Garruk being black green if you count his double-faced card. I really doubt that Wizaards decided all the way back in 2011 that they couldn't make Garruk monogreen or Sorin monoblack because they might make a monocolored planeswalking Justice League 4 years in the future.
She may see standard play, but I'm not holding my breath. Bant decks that want a planeswalker who isn't gideon is a pretty narrow role. It is worth noting that the +1 synergizes well with silvan advocate.
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Who else thought this was a fake?
The ability effects look crowded, colors for colors' sake just to get that radical gold templating -and MaRo has explained it was due to shoehorned development.
"But she's TOTES green, stories 'n' stuff!" "She makes Jace look Grixis by Comparison!"
So then give us a UBR Jace. That being said, if anything she made Jace look UR by comparison in the story - and even then only out of coming off autistic levels of WU.
So let's consider the green. Doesn't green abhor grotesquely supernatural abominations the likes of Emrakul? Isn't that Nissa's motivation for wanting to take out the squid? (Beyond AH! MOTHERLAND!)
She didn't bat an eye.
They even called her Tamiyo, Field Researcher to compensate. Yuck!
Field researchers get their hands dirty, Tamiyo doesn't deliver the wide-eyed naturalist personality. She's a hell of a lot more 'Observe and report.'
She's so distanced she prefers to float on the ground rather than walk on it.
Jace has at least flirted (geddit?) with black in his ethically gray mind magic enough to warrant the odd UB card.
It has been requested by fans, and it has been denied on the grounds that the character should be more defined and not shoehorned. They even avoided doing a WU Jace, the Living Guildpact.
And this goes beyond Jace, which is obviously mono Blue's (and MTG's) Pikachu. Which is cool, we're fine with that. But we've also had BG Nissa refused (back when she was Elf Hitler who was -gasp- 'dabbling in black magic,') BR Chandra, RW Gideon, and the years before finally getting a GW Ajani. (Who was a freakin' nonbo with heroic!)
And three colors for a particular expression of 'walker has been shot down by R&D, sometimes not without condescension, like some kind of ridiculous pipe dream, including Bant Elspeth and Jeskai Narset.
"You say standard needed a bant walker? Look, you got Elspeth Tirel" "A good BR alternative to the crappy Chandra Ablaze would have helped dampened the dominance of Cawblade?" "Sorry Planeswalkers are developed separately to the rest of a set. It's a story + quality assurance thing."
After being told flat-out no so many times, arguably rightfully so, we've come to appreciate it. Yeah, we all got the idea. They want to make sure every color they do use on a card is well pronounced.
That's a good thing for the sake of the characters and in the end we were happy R&D stuck to their guns about it.
But recently it looks like they've done a 180, with this Tamiyo solidifying a trend set in motion by Sarkhan Unbroken.
'Development may dump colors into supporting cast planeswalkers.'
It's like a whole backlog of marketing survey feedback had come in, someone held a presentation at WOTC offices saying 'look how many planeswalker fakes are tri-color!' and they decided to cave.
Well fine then, we gotta get with the program again.
In that case I only hope they give us a BGU Vraska.
'Course who am I kidding, they'll make her WBG, and call her Vraska, Pale Face of Death. She now turns people into ivory and just so happens to serve as the set's niche for '-1: Exile target indestructible enchantment.'
"Hey! In the story articles she mentioned something about maintaining balance!"
Could we just figure out some kind of compromise on filler planeswalkers between the crummy old story-first . . . 'Lorewalkers' and these hideously jarring . . . 'Devwalkers?'
Wow, missing so many marks. First of all, they are running out of design space for single- and dual-colored planeswalkers. We've seen every color combination (you seem to forget about Ajani Vengeant), some combinations multiple times. They can't just go solo or double colored walkers forever. They are obligated to branch out and explore the unexplored design space, for obvious reasons.
If blue, green, and white are investigative colors, and Tamiyo is the most prominentinvestigator on the plane, what exactly is wrong about making her those colors? It fits like a glove. Her abilities are a combination of her inherent characteristics and her role on the plane. If Tamiyo were 2UU she'd just look like another Jace, which would have been severely pushed instead of actually interesting. This is different, and they couldn't have done a much better job IMHO.
Who else thought this was a fake?
The ability effects look crowded, colors for colors' sake just to get that radical gold templating -and MaRo has explained it was due to shoehorned development.
"But she's TOTES green, stories 'n' stuff!" "She makes Jace look Grixis by Comparison!"
So then give us a UBR Jace. That being said, if anything she made Jace look UR by comparison in the story - and even then only out of coming off autistic levels of WU.
So let's consider the green. Doesn't green abhor grotesquely supernatural abominations the likes of Emrakul? Isn't that Nissa's motivation for wanting to take out the squid? (Beyond AH! MOTHERLAND!)
She didn't bat an eye.
They even called her Tamiyo, Field Researcher to compensate. Yuck!
Field researchers get their hands dirty, Tamiyo doesn't deliver the wide-eyed naturalist personality. She's a hell of a lot more 'Observe and report.'
She's so distanced she prefers to float on the ground rather than walk on it.
Jace has at least flirted (geddit?) with black in his ethically gray mind magic enough to warrant the odd UB card.
It has been requested by fans, and it has been denied on the grounds that the character should be more defined and not shoehorned. They even avoided doing a WU Jace, the Living Guildpact.
And this goes beyond Jace, which is obviously mono Blue's (and MTG's) Pikachu. Which is cool, we're fine with that. But we've also had BG Nissa refused (back when she was Elf Hitler who was -gasp- 'dabbling in black magic,') BR Chandra, RW Gideon, and the years before finally getting a GW Ajani. (Who was a freakin' nonbo with heroic!)
And three colors for a particular expression of 'walker has been shot down by R&D, sometimes not without condescension, like some kind of ridiculous pipe dream, including Bant Elspeth and Jeskai Narset.
"You say standard needed a bant walker? Look, you got Elspeth Tirel" "A good BR alternative to the crappy Chandra Ablaze would have helped dampened the dominance of Cawblade?" "Sorry Planeswalkers are developed separately to the rest of a set. It's a story + quality assurance thing."
After being told flat-out no so many times, arguably rightfully so, we've come to appreciate it. Yeah, we all got the idea. They want to make sure every color they do use on a card is well pronounced.
That's a good thing for the sake of the characters and in the end we were happy R&D stuck to their guns about it.
But recently it looks like they've done a 180, with this Tamiyo solidifying a trend set in motion by Sarkhan Unbroken.
'Development may dump colors into supporting cast planeswalkers.'
It's like a whole backlog of marketing survey feedback had come in, someone held a presentation at WOTC offices saying 'look how many planeswalker fakes are tri-color!' and they decided to cave.
Well fine then, we gotta get with the program again.
In that case I only hope they give us a BGU Vraska.
'Course who am I kidding, they'll make her WBG, and call her Vraska, Pale Face of Death. She now turns people into ivory and just so happens to serve as the set's niche for '-1: Exile target indestructible enchantment.'
"Hey! In the story articles she mentioned something about maintaining balance!"
Could we just figure out some kind of compromise on filler planeswalkers between the crummy old story-first . . . 'Lorewalkers' and these hideously jarring . . . 'Devwalkers?'
Wow, missing so many marks. First of all, they are running out of design space for single- and dual-colored planeswalkers. We've seen every color combination (you seem to forget about Ajani Vengeant), some combinations multiple times. They can't just go solo or double colored walkers forever. They are obligated to branch out and explore the unexplored design space, for obvious reasons.
If blue, green, and white are investigative colors, and Tamiyo is the most prominentinvestigator on the plane, what exactly is wrong about making her those colors? It fits like a glove. Her abilities are a combination of her inherent characteristics and her role on the plane. If Tamiyo were 2UU she'd just look like another Jace, which would have been severely pushed instead of actually interesting. This is different, and they couldn't have done a much better job IMHO.
I mean, yeah the only thing disastrous here was that analysis. Yikes....
It's like people don't even consider what the company that creates all this stuff defines their colors as. Just "what the color is to me" bs.
And to that person that said she's white because "...she's a good guy?" Well, if you wanna be that narrow-minded and narrow down all the white-affiliated action that determines what a good guy is for that color, then yeah, as narrow as that.
That said, Tamiyo in the story is plenty blue. With green and white overlaps. Just as MaRo said for the abilities.
+1 Oh, it's just a double Curiosity. Wait, it's ANY combat damage? Damn.
-2 Oh look, Frost Breath. It's actually funny that the -2 isn't card advantage but the +1 is.
-7 Just...holy *****! I did not expect Ancestral Recall plus Omniscience. Granted, your two options to get that are Doubling Season and keeping her out for at least 3 turns (and she has a giant target on her bunny ears), but still...
Not sure why she's white.
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Four mana, I guess this means the new Liliana will be a 7 mana bloated hag.
Nahiri, Arlinn and Tamiyo are all 4, Jace is 5, and Sorin is 6. After Liliana of the Veil, I think it's pretty improbable to see her at 3 again, so I'd expect her to cost 5 or 6. Honestly, I don't feel like she's strong enough as a planeswalker to really warrant a 7 or 8 mana card. She's never cost more than 5 before.
As to Tamiyo, she seems pretty middle-of-the-road. If she's great, it's because the meta favors her. I'm glad to get a bant planeswalker, since there are so few three-color walkers right now.
Somewhat disappointed. I was really hoping Blue/White. She looks really nice, but I don't really make Bant colored decks. I am glad she has a card though. Was worried she wouldn't get one.
+1 Oh, it's just a double Curiosity. Wait, it's ANY combat damage? Damn.
-2 Oh look, Frost Breath. It's actually funny that the -2 isn't card advantage but the +1 is.
-7 Just...holy *****! I did not expect Ancestral Recall plus Omniscience. Granted, your two options to get that are Doubling Season and keeping her out for at least 3 turns (and she has a giant target on her bunny ears), but still...
Not sure why she's white.
+1 is a blue ability that overlaps with green
-2 is a blue ability that overlaps with white
-7 is very very blue. (green does get large card draw as well and plays things for "free")
In the story she has dissected a werewolf to study it, studied nature, let's things play out the way they should, has a code that she isn't willing to break even to save a life, does not use her collected knowledge of powerful stories to improve herself or use for power, is eventually going to basically save the world.
These are things that can be found in a character that is blue-green-white.
They are not exclusively blue green or white.
Blue green white is not exclusively a Bant knight.
1. WotC has repeatably ignored their own card creating rules and color pie before so that angle of her design shouldn't matter.
2. WotC only truly cares about Jace, that is why he is ham-fisted into almost EVERY block and we have more versions of him than any other walker, so because she isn't Jace they really don't need to bother with making story reasons for her to be those colors(Maro will probably throw some half-baked reason out on his twitter if fans bug him enough).
3. She was costed that way because she is pushed, her abilities are very solid(especially for current Bant controlled standard). Would you rather her be 3GU or 1WGU?
To see now that Maro is clarifying this as developmental constrain makes me feel better though. If she had to be in 3 colors, then I agree BANT is the best fit, but she is most definitely still monoblue in my mind.
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Reaper King (a horror story), Kaalia of the Vast (an origin story), Sequels for Innistrad (Alternative sequels for Inn), Grey Areas (Odric's fanfic), Royal Succession (goblins),The Tracker's Message (eldrazi on Innistrad) and Ugin and his Eye (the end of OGW).
At first she looked clunky, but I imagine I'll be seeing a good deal of her unless WotC gives us a sweeper that isn't embarrassing.
Agreed. I can buy that the values history aspect can be green, but I don't think it's necessarily green. She has always struck me as a great example of mono blue.
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She, as is, could be printed 100% monoblue with nothing changed. There is literally no green in any of her abilities. You could at least argue that her abilities work for an azorius walker if she just had to be multicolor for some reason. As far as her character goes, the only thing remotely green about her is her "hands off/let nature do its thing" approach to her research, and the only thing white about her is..she's a good guy?
As for the card itself, she's good, really good at that. She just shouldn't be a multicolored card.
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My main, most important deck to Me is a Niv Mizzet Commander deck, and I really wanted the new Tamiyo to fit there.
That said this card is so well designed, so unique and powerful that I can only be excited. They devoted a lot of story and card space to her, and we got what is probably a competitive card out of it.
While I really wanted Mono-Blue for my deck, Ban is hardly a stretch based on her actions in the story. I do mostly see her as a strict Mono Blue ki d of character, but she does study natural phenomena, and she does follow a pretty strict code of order. Not saving Jace from Avacyn when she had the chance felt more WU than U because she did t want to cracking her world devastating g Wrath effect.
So I'm pretty happy with this, even though it doesn't suit my exact purposes. Looks like I literally have Jace to blame for that. **** you, Jace.
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As for colors, I kind of expected UG, but 1) we just got Kiora in BFZ and 2)she would equally make sense in UW, so they just made her WUG. I can live with that.:)
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-2: Azorius. It's the guild mechanic, for crying out loud. But if you insist, Kor Hookmaster just got reprinted, and Ojutai, Soul of Winter was U/W.
-3 Yeah, this one is Blue and has never been outside of Blue.
Maybe, just maybe, everyone complaining about how all of these abilities fit into mono-Blue have a point. Not that Tamiyo should be mono-blue, but that Blue gets a bit too much diversity in its effects, and needs to have some of these abilities spread out to other colors...
Cards are not money, investments, or a retirement fund, and should never have been treated as such.
Wizards made a mistake caving to speculators once, and we still pay for that mistake 2 decades later.
"Entitled:" the entire ad hominem fallacy condensed into a single word. It doesn't strengthen your argument to attack motivations, it just makes you look like you don't understand the argument.
well, I don't think blue would be able to draw cards from damage caused by other players creatures...
taxing opponents with something when they do something that benefits them is more white than anything else in this card.
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Her personality is more green than white, but mechanically this has all three colors fairly represented.
And she's real good at 4 mana
I wasn't expecting it. It's great.
Kiora can stay UG and Jace is hogging all the blue PW design space. UW is boring and we just got Narset. So yeah 0 problems here.
If the cost stops her from being used in constructed, great! I don't want to pay $20 for individual cards.
Who else thought this was a fake?
The ability effects look crowded, colors for colors' sake just to get that radical gold templating -and MaRo has explained it was due to shoehorned development.
"But she's TOTES green, stories 'n' stuff!" "She makes Jace look Grixis by Comparison!"
So then give us a UBR Jace. That being said, if anything she made Jace look UR by comparison in the story - and even then only out of coming off autistic levels of WU.
So let's consider the green. Doesn't green abhor grotesquely supernatural abominations the likes of Emrakul? Isn't that Nissa's motivation for wanting to take out the squid? (Beyond AH! MOTHERLAND!)
She didn't bat an eye.
They even called her Tamiyo, Field Researcher to compensate. Yuck!
Field researchers get their hands dirty, Tamiyo doesn't deliver the wide-eyed naturalist personality. She's a hell of a lot more 'Observe and report.'
She's so distanced she prefers to float on the ground rather than walk on it.
Jace has at least flirted (geddit?) with black in his ethically gray mind magic enough to warrant the odd UB card.
It has been requested by fans, and it has been denied on the grounds that the character should be more defined and not shoehorned. They even avoided doing a WU Jace, the Living Guildpact.
And this goes beyond Jace, which is obviously mono Blue's (and MTG's) Pikachu. Which is cool, we're fine with that. But we've also had BG Nissa refused (back when she was Elf Hitler who was -gasp- 'dabbling in black magic,') BR Chandra, RW Gideon, and the years before finally getting a GW Ajani. (Who was a freakin' nonbo with heroic!)
And three colors for a particular expression of 'walker has been shot down by R&D, sometimes not without condescension, like some kind of ridiculous pipe dream, including Bant Elspeth and Jeskai Narset.
"You say standard needed a bant walker? Look, you got Elspeth Tirel" "A good BR alternative to the crappy Chandra Ablaze would have helped dampened the dominance of Cawblade?" "Sorry Planeswalkers are developed separately to the rest of a set. It's a story + quality assurance thing."
After being told flat-out no so many times, arguably rightfully so, we've come to appreciate it. Yeah, we all got the idea. They want to make sure every color they do use on a card is well pronounced.
That's a good thing for the sake of the characters and in the end we were happy R&D stuck to their guns about it.
But recently it looks like they've done a 180, with this Tamiyo solidifying a trend set in motion by Sarkhan Unbroken.
'Development may dump colors into supporting cast planeswalkers.'
It's like a whole backlog of marketing survey feedback had come in, someone held a presentation at WOTC offices saying 'look how many planeswalker fakes are tri-color!' and they decided to cave.
Well fine then, we gotta get with the program again.
In that case I only hope they give us a BGU Vraska.
"Hey! In the story articles she mentioned something about maintaining balance!"
Could we just figure out some kind of compromise on filler planeswalkers between the crummy old story-first . . . 'Lorewalkers' and these hideously jarring . . . 'Devwalkers?'
"OH GOD MY BRAIN IS EXPLOADING AT HOW BAD THE ART IS ON MY OWN CARD"
-A friend's first impression of Ancestral Recall
10/10, I tapped.
They made Sorin white/black long before the Gatewatch was a thing. Same goes for Garruk being black green if you count his double-faced card. I really doubt that Wizaards decided all the way back in 2011 that they couldn't make Garruk monogreen or Sorin monoblack because they might make a monocolored planeswalking Justice League 4 years in the future.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
Wow, missing so many marks. First of all, they are running out of design space for single- and dual-colored planeswalkers. We've seen every color combination (you seem to forget about Ajani Vengeant), some combinations multiple times. They can't just go solo or double colored walkers forever. They are obligated to branch out and explore the unexplored design space, for obvious reasons.
If blue, green, and white are investigative colors, and Tamiyo is the most prominent investigator on the plane, what exactly is wrong about making her those colors? It fits like a glove. Her abilities are a combination of her inherent characteristics and her role on the plane. If Tamiyo were 2UU she'd just look like another Jace, which would have been severely pushed instead of actually interesting. This is different, and they couldn't have done a much better job IMHO.
Wow, missing so many marks. First of all, they are running out of design space for single- and dual-colored planeswalkers. We've seen every color combination (you seem to forget about Ajani Vengeant), some combinations multiple times. They can't just go solo or double colored walkers forever. They are obligated to branch out and explore the unexplored design space, for obvious reasons.
If blue, green, and white are investigative colors, and Tamiyo is the most prominent investigator on the plane, what exactly is wrong about making her those colors? It fits like a glove. Her abilities are a combination of her inherent characteristics and her role on the plane. If Tamiyo were 2UU she'd just look like another Jace, which would have been severely pushed instead of actually interesting. This is different, and they couldn't have done a much better job IMHO.
It's like people don't even consider what the company that creates all this stuff defines their colors as. Just "what the color is to me" bs.
And to that person that said she's white because "...she's a good guy?" Well, if you wanna be that narrow-minded and narrow down all the white-affiliated action that determines what a good guy is for that color, then yeah, as narrow as that.
That said, Tamiyo in the story is plenty blue. With green and white overlaps. Just as MaRo said for the abilities.
-2 Oh look, Frost Breath. It's actually funny that the -2 isn't card advantage but the +1 is.
-7 Just...holy *****! I did not expect Ancestral Recall plus Omniscience. Granted, your two options to get that are Doubling Season and keeping her out for at least 3 turns (and she has a giant target on her bunny ears), but still...
Not sure why she's white.
On phasing:
Nahiri, Arlinn and Tamiyo are all 4, Jace is 5, and Sorin is 6. After Liliana of the Veil, I think it's pretty improbable to see her at 3 again, so I'd expect her to cost 5 or 6. Honestly, I don't feel like she's strong enough as a planeswalker to really warrant a 7 or 8 mana card. She's never cost more than 5 before.
As to Tamiyo, she seems pretty middle-of-the-road. If she's great, it's because the meta favors her. I'm glad to get a bant planeswalker, since there are so few three-color walkers right now.
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+1 is a blue ability that overlaps with green
-2 is a blue ability that overlaps with white
-7 is very very blue. (green does get large card draw as well and plays things for "free")
In the story she has dissected a werewolf to study it, studied nature, let's things play out the way they should, has a code that she isn't willing to break even to save a life, does not use her collected knowledge of powerful stories to improve herself or use for power, is eventually going to basically save the world.
These are things that can be found in a character that is blue-green-white.
They are not exclusively blue green or white.
Blue green white is not exclusively a Bant knight.
She is colored properly.
2. WotC only truly cares about Jace, that is why he is ham-fisted into almost EVERY block and we have more versions of him than any other walker, so because she isn't Jace they really don't need to bother with making story reasons for her to be those colors(Maro will probably throw some half-baked reason out on his twitter if fans bug him enough).
3. She was costed that way because she is pushed, her abilities are very solid(especially for current Bant controlled standard). Would you rather her be 3GU or 1WGU?
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