No matter if this card is gimmicky or not.
The fact that there IS a 2 card "I-win" combo in standard, in the same colours no less, is something to take serious.
Last time that happened, was when splinter twin was legal in standard.
I am at least certain that most pro's will have a look if it can be broken before the PT starts.
problem is that Spliter Twin is an alright card when it doesn't win on the spot.
this and Triskaidekaphobia are not.
you'll be running a 2 card "I win" combo composed by 2 cards that do almost nothing outside of being part of such combo.
I doubt that this deck will be big enough to actually be relevant.
No matter if this card is gimmicky or not.
The fact that there IS a 2 card "I-win" combo in standard, in the same colours no less, is something to take serious.
Last time that happened, was when splinter twin was legal in standard.
I am at least certain that most pro's will have a look if it can be broken before the PT starts.
problem is that Spliter Twin is an alright card when it doesn't win on the spot.
this and Triskaidekaphobia are not.
you'll be running a 2 card "I win" combo composed by 2 cards that do almost nothing outside of being part of such combo.
I doubt that this deck will be big enough to actually be relevant.
I tend to agree with you apart from saying the tree does almost nothing. It is an amazing blocker and you can splash green to make it a 4 mana 13/13 possibly bigger with AF. Im not saying its for sure a thing, I'm just saying it defiantly has possibilities.
My Doran EDH really wants this card. It's not hard to get around the defender restriction - but also as a rattle snake its a nice addition. This isn't really a big enough threat to be an auto nuke. If you do it to a player who's about to take a lot of damage, and then can attack with it as unblockable to another player you could knock two people out of the game which is something I don't get to do often with Doran. I already run Warmonger's Chariot, Wakestone Gargoyle, and Assault Formation so its not hard to get this guy swinging.
No matter if this card is gimmicky or not.
The fact that there IS a 2 card "I-win" combo in standard, in the same colours no less, is something to take serious.
Last time that happened, was when splinter twin was legal in standard.
I am at least certain that most pro's will have a look if it can be broken before the PT starts.
problem is that Spliter Twin is an alright card when it doesn't win on the spot.
this and Triskaidekaphobia are not.
you'll be running a 2 card "I win" combo composed by 2 cards that do almost nothing outside of being part of such combo.
I doubt that this deck will be big enough to actually be relevant.
I tend to agree with you apart from saying the tree does almost nothing. It is an amazing blocker and you can splash green to make it a 4 mana 13/13 possibly bigger with AF. Im not saying its for sure a thing, I'm just saying it defiantly has possibilities.
nothing with 0 power is an amazing blocker.
specially for 4 mana.
It's a decent blocker, sure. but I'd say a random 1/1 deathtouch is a better blocker than this.
It's worth noting that in combination with tainted remedy and your opponent being at less than 13 (or whatever toughness you have it at) is considered life gain and thus, and instant kill.
It's worth noting that in combination with tainted remedy and your opponent being at less than 13 (or whatever toughness you have it at) is considered life gain and thus, and instant kill.
@Xcric: Like all the others have already said, you seem to be talking about competitive EDH. That's not what the majority of Commander players play. Most people play EDH as a fun format, so keep that in mind.
Incidentally, a 4cc creature that basically says "T: Target opponent loses 27 life." is worth running, period. It's also extremely unfun, though, and I personally won't be playing it out of principle. No one wants to die to such cheap cards.
But this is perfect for dealing with the "gain all the life" decks. Some dude got to like 500 life. Can you just imagine a 0/500 tree?
No matter if this card is gimmicky or not.
The fact that there IS a 2 card "I-win" combo in standard, in the same colours no less, is something to take serious.
Last time that happened, was when splinter twin was legal in standard.
I am at least certain that most pro's will have a look if it can be broken before the PT starts.
problem is that Spliter Twin is an alright card when it doesn't win on the spot.
this and Triskaidekaphobia are not.
you'll be running a 2 card "I win" combo composed by 2 cards that do almost nothing outside of being part of such combo.
I doubt that this deck will be big enough to actually be relevant.
I tend to agree with you apart from saying the tree does almost nothing. It is an amazing blocker and you can splash green to make it a 4 mana 13/13 possibly bigger with AF. Im not saying its for sure a thing, I'm just saying it defiantly has possibilities.
nothing with 0 power is an amazing blocker.
specially for 4 mana.
it can block every creature ever ( not literally ) and with assault formation it assigns combat damage based on toughness, id say that is better then a random 1/1 with deathtouch, especially considering it has another very relevant ability.
It's a decent blocker, sure. but I'd say a random 1/1 deathtouch is a better blocker than this.
No matter if this card is gimmicky or not.
The fact that there IS a 2 card "I-win" combo in standard, in the same colours no less, is something to take serious.
Last time that happened, was when splinter twin was legal in standard.
I am at least certain that most pro's will have a look if it can be broken before the PT starts.
problem is that Spliter Twin is an alright card when it doesn't win on the spot.
this and Triskaidekaphobia are not.
you'll be running a 2 card "I win" combo composed by 2 cards that do almost nothing outside of being part of such combo.
I doubt that this deck will be big enough to actually be relevant.
I tend to agree with you apart from saying the tree does almost nothing. It is an amazing blocker and you can splash green to make it a 4 mana 13/13 possibly bigger with AF. Im not saying its for sure a thing, I'm just saying it defiantly has possibilities.
nothing with 0 power is an amazing blocker.
specially for 4 mana.
it can block every creature ever ( not literally ) and with assault formation it assigns combat damage based on toughness, id say that is better then a random 1/1 with deathtouch, especially considering it has another very relevant ability.
It's a decent blocker, sure. but I'd say a random 1/1 deathtouch is a better blocker than this.
if you start adding other cards to the mix, sure this might become a lot better than a random 1/1 with deathtouch.
in magic, nothing is ever the best thing in all situations...
the 1/1 deathtouch dude might just make an entire horde of creatures to hold back for a turn or two while anything with 0 power won't do it.
sure with assault formation the tree would be a better blocker than a random 1/1 deathtouch, no question about that.
give the 1/1 deathtouch first strike and it becomes a better blocker again in a vacuum.
having other abilites that don't help with blocking is not relevant to say a card is an awesome blocker or not.
a 0/1 creature for B with "0: everyone else playing magic in the same room as you loses the game" is an insanely powerful card, but a very bad blocker.
problem is that Spliter Twin is an alright card when it doesn't win on the spot.
this and Triskaidekaphobia are not.
you'll be running a 2 card "I win" combo composed by 2 cards that do almost nothing outside of being part of such combo.
I doubt that this deck will be big enough to actually be relevant.
I tend to agree with you apart from saying the tree does almost nothing. It is an amazing blocker and you can splash green to make it a 4 mana 13/13 possibly bigger with AF. Im not saying its for sure a thing, I'm just saying it defiantly has possibilities.
nothing with 0 power is an amazing blocker.
specially for 4 mana.
it can block every creature ever ( not literally ) and with assault formation it assigns combat damage based on toughness, id say that is better then a random 1/1 with deathtouch, especially considering it has another very relevant ability.
It's a decent blocker, sure. but I'd say a random 1/1 deathtouch is a better blocker than this.
if you start adding other cards to the mix, sure this might become a lot better than a random 1/1 with deathtouch.
in magic, nothing is ever the best thing in all situations...
the 1/1 deathtouch dude might just make an entire horde of creatures to hold back for a turn or two while anything with 0 power won't do it.
sure with assault formation the tree would be a better blocker than a random 1/1 deathtouch, no question about that.
give the 1/1 deathtouch first strike and it becomes a better blocker again in a vacuum.
having other abilites that don't help with blocking is not relevant to say a card is an awesome blocker or not.
a 0/1 creature for B with "0: everyone else playing magic in the same room as you loses the game" is an insanely powerful card, but a very bad blocker.
Its a great blocker because it can block anything and also have an effect on the game in non combat, focusing strictly on my blocking comment is you just nitpicking. All I am getting at is that this card does have the potential to see some play. Do I think its an amazing card all around...no, however it can be very good in the right deck.
It's worth noting that in combination with tainted remedy and your opponent being at less than 13 (or whatever toughness you have it at) is considered life gain and thus, and instant kill.
Even if you aren't using Triskaidekaphobia in your deck this will cause your opponent to think that you are. More people are going to to try and build that deck than will admit it publicly, I suspect. I am going to try simply because I think it would be hilarious. Incidentally, with a Deathcap Cultivator or Leaf Gilder on turn 2 you can set up the instant-lose condition as early as before your draw step on turn 5.
That doesn't work the way you think it does. The Tree would die from having 0 toughness as a state-based effect and then the exchange effect would fizzle because you can't do a half exchange.
As far as I know there's no way to keep a creature on the battlefield with 0 toughness, unfortunately.
That doesn't work the way you think it does. The Tree would die from having 0 toughness as a state-based effect and then the exchange effect would fizzle because you can't do a half exchange.
As far as I know there's no way to keep a creature on the battlefield with 0 toughness, unfortunately.
The only way I know of is to glue it to the table.
Exchange? So in EDH, this could make someones life 13 and become a 0/40?
Yep. It still counts as losing (or gaining) life, per the rules, though. Basically it's like Tree of Redemption but for opponents.
This also means that its current toughness becomes your current life and your current life becomes its current toughness (which is then modified by any existing effects which increase its toughness, in accordance with the layers system).
So yes, you could have a lot of fun playing this with something like (I don't know) Dead Weight or, well, Turn to Frog.
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No matter if this card is gimmicky or not.
The fact that there IS a 2 card "I-win" combo in standard, in the same colours no less, is something to take serious.
Last time that happened, was when splinter twin was legal in standard.
I am at least certain that most pro's will have a look if it can be broken before the PT starts.
What combo? There is no combo with this card, unless you mean a very impossible to achieve combo.
problem is that Spliter Twin is an alright card when it doesn't win on the spot.
this and Triskaidekaphobia are not.
you'll be running a 2 card "I win" combo composed by 2 cards that do almost nothing outside of being part of such combo.
I doubt that this deck will be big enough to actually be relevant.
I tend to agree with you apart from saying the tree does almost nothing. It is an amazing blocker and you can splash green to make it a 4 mana 13/13 possibly bigger with AF. Im not saying its for sure a thing, I'm just saying it defiantly has possibilities.
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Turns out it might work pretty well in his deck as well. Activate the tree then sac it to Ayli. Opponent is at 13 and he just gained 40 (or more)
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nothing with 0 power is an amazing blocker.
specially for 4 mana.
It's a decent blocker, sure. but I'd say a random 1/1 deathtouch is a better blocker than this.
it's not instant kill...
for example, if you have 10 life, I have Tree of Perdition with 13 toughness and Tainted Remedy
I activate the tree, I'll end up with a 0/10 tree and you'll end up with 7 life.
Then thank them with a Diamond Valley.
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if you start adding other cards to the mix, sure this might become a lot better than a random 1/1 with deathtouch.
in magic, nothing is ever the best thing in all situations...
Even shock might be better than lightning bolt if your opponent controls a Meddling Mage naming Lightning Bolt...
the 1/1 deathtouch dude might just make an entire horde of creatures to hold back for a turn or two while anything with 0 power won't do it.
sure with assault formation the tree would be a better blocker than a random 1/1 deathtouch, no question about that.
give the 1/1 deathtouch first strike and it becomes a better blocker again in a vacuum.
having other abilites that don't help with blocking is not relevant to say a card is an awesome blocker or not.
a 0/1 creature for B with "0: everyone else playing magic in the same room as you loses the game" is an insanely powerful card, but a very bad blocker.
Its a great blocker because it can block anything and also have an effect on the game in non combat, focusing strictly on my blocking comment is you just nitpicking. All I am getting at is that this card does have the potential to see some play. Do I think its an amazing card all around...no, however it can be very good in the right deck.
That's right
The opponment needs 6 life for the kill.
Nope, apparently not.
I just want to do funny things with Tree of Redemption and Tree of Perdition and some creature that can gain both abilities.
Reduce in Stature, perhaps? Foul Renewal? Profaner of the Dead?
That doesn't work the way you think it does. The Tree would die from having 0 toughness as a state-based effect and then the exchange effect would fizzle because you can't do a half exchange.
As far as I know there's no way to keep a creature on the battlefield with 0 toughness, unfortunately.
The only way I know of is to glue it to the table.
Part of me wants them to keep going so I can pick up a playset for cheap.
Yep. It still counts as losing (or gaining) life, per the rules, though. Basically it's like Tree of Redemption but for opponents.
This also means that its current toughness becomes your current life and your current life becomes its current toughness (which is then modified by any existing effects which increase its toughness, in accordance with the layers system).
So yes, you could have a lot of fun playing this with something like (I don't know) Dead Weight or, well, Turn to Frog.
On phasing:
What combo? There is no combo with this card, unless you mean a very impossible to achieve combo.
You won't have to worry about this card being cheap.