I'm still not a fan. I dislike cards that reference others by name and the execution isn't elegant enough for me to make an exception. I hope there are players who get a kick out of it.
Umm..why? That's a uh..strange thing to dislike.
I find it to be a blunt way of making cards interact. There's no process of discovering "oh cool these work well together" which I find to be fun and which I think its beneficial to new players. It is also inherently parasitic, preventing any interesting new interactions from happening in the future.
In what universe? If you build a deck like that, and ever draw that hand, I will personally come to wherever you live, perform complicated acts of awestruck ********, then disembowel myself to escape the world that allowed something like this to occur and validate you.
Noooooooooo, my beautiful Gisela! I will never forget you.
That being said, eh sure I'll give 'em a shot. Gisela is at least still a good card even if that bastard Emrakul tentacle-raped her innocence and beauty leaving her a twisted broken shell. I've always been a sucker for lifelink.
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IF you guys seriously look at the new Gisela and deem her unplayable in limited simply because you don't have Bruna...are you reading another card or are you just bad at evaluating them? Heck, new Bruna is playable in limited by herself.
Did anyone actually say that, or are you just inventing a straw man? I haven't seen any negative comments about Gisela other than "modern decks just bolt her." The only way she might be anything but a windmill slam bomb is if tons of the common/uncommon flyers in the set have 5 toughness, which is highly unlikely.
Noooooooooo, my beautiful Gisela! I will never forget you.
That being said, eh sure I'll give 'em a shot. Gisela is at least still a good card even if that bastard Emrakul tentacle-raped her innocence and beauty leaving her a twisted broken shell. I've always been a sucker for lifelink.
Thanks for that, that mental image just made Brisela even MORE nightmare-inducing. That said, Kaalia likes all these new angel friends....
Well... I'm legitimately terrified of that angle holly hell o.o
I don't know, I think it's acute one.
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To me, emerge is only going to be as good as the creatures it's printed on. It CAN be powerful in theory, but until I see it on some busted creature thats reliably going to come down early, i'm not too concerned. Now, if I see any effect that grants other creatures emerge, then it's time to run and hide.
Cool mechanic but I'm still not a fan. I dislike cards that reference others by name and the execution isn't elegant enough for me to make an exception. I hope there are players who get a kick out of it.
I understand. Yugioh had some of the worst excuses of such cards, creating so many replica of cards referencing different names/types. I feel that Magic only occasionally uses such mechanics, so it's not as abused as in Yugioh.
The only thing that'll ever bother me about the DFC design is that they blatantly show the P/T of the back face on the front face, that takes the surprise value for like 80%.
If this set is about Emrkaul's influence on the plane, how is this story getting resolved? There is no set after this. We're not seriously leaving Innistrad in this state?
The only thing that'll ever bother me about the DFC design is that they blatantly show the P/T of the back face on the front face, that takes the surprise value for like 80%.
It is ruled that the opponent can look at the back of a DFC at anytime....
To me, these cards stand out pretty strong:
Gisela: Strong enough on her own to be a staple in Standard. Not sure about formats with Lightning Bolt.
Long Road Home: This is either temporary removal for when you need to swing for lethal damage, or it is removal protection with an upside, at a relatively cheap cost. I think this should see a lot of play.
Gnarlwood Dryad: This is mini-tarmogoyf. I actually think this could have some decent Legacy/Vintage applications, being a potential T1 3/3 deathtouch in Vintage, if not easily turning into that before you attack on T2 in Legacy. Glad it's not a rare, still might be fairly pricey as an uncommon ($2-3) as cards like Monastery Swiftspear still are even after rotation. Foils are probably going to be high.
The only thing that'll ever bother me about the DFC design is that they blatantly show the P/T of the back face on the front face, that takes the surprise value for like 80%.
What surprise? Your opponent can just ask to see the backside when you play it anyways.
To me, these cards stand out pretty strong:
Gisela: Strong enough on her own to be a staple in Standard. Not sure about formats with Lightning Bolt.
Long Road Home: This is either temporary removal for when you need to swing for lethal damage, or it is removal protection with an upside, at a relatively cheap cost. I think this should see a lot of play.
Gnarlwood Dryad: This is mini-tarmogoyf. I actually think this could have some decent Legacy/Vintage applications, being a potential T1 3/3 deathtouch in Vintage, if not easily turning into that before you attack on T2 in Legacy. Glad it's not a rare, still might be fairly pricey as an uncommon ($2-3) as cards like Monastery Swiftspear still are even after rotation. Foils are probably going to be high.
Agree on Gisela, though the fact that she is legendary may limit the number of copies in a deck. I also don't think she is maindeck material in most decks, since he just has good stats overall. Maybe 1~2 copies maindeck will be tested, but I see her coming more from the sideboard against aggro decks.
Disagree on the assessment of long road home. This is not like Valorous Stance that will be able to remove a creature from the board. It is just too situational to be an effective card. Probably decent in limited.
Disagree on the assessment of Gnarlwood Dryad. What makes mongoose great is that it has shroud besides the capacity to turn into a big beater. This creature, even when delirium is active, dies to lightning bolt (and pretty much everything else). I can see it being tested in eternal formats because the deathtouch grants her some early value, but I don't think it would replace the mongoose. It certainly has standard potential if there is such a thing as a delirium aggro deck viable after rotation, which would probably be BG in colors (with her, sinister concoction and other stuff).
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Let me get this right, so far we have seen a crappy red card, a pair of meh black cards and multiple white cards that will be easily playable in mini Baneslayer angel and the model card. Seems fair. Red and blue need something wizards!
Both Hanweir cards are pretty good for Purphoros EDH, which is great as you can actually transform if you want or not, rather than being forced to with some of these Melds.
The only thing that'll ever bother me about the DFC design is that they blatantly show the P/T of the back face on the front face, that takes the surprise value for like 80%.
What surprise? Your opponent can just ask to see the backside when you play it anyways.
Which was also a bad choice. I mean, I get it, informed players are already going to know the ass just from the front but still...
Why is it a bad choice? You are able to see any creature that's on the battlefield and that means the backs of DFC's as well. Otherwise it wouldn't be fair to not know what a creature could flip into.
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Love the flavor and the new meld mechanic, umm, the white cards looks awesome, I umm...sweet yeah. Can we see a Non white bomb?
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I find it to be a blunt way of making cards interact. There's no process of discovering "oh cool these work well together" which I find to be fun and which I think its beneficial to new players. It is also inherently parasitic, preventing any interesting new interactions from happening in the future.
I guess 3 is a good test to see if it's legit or not
So the one from earlier
The rats
And the mutated Legnedary Angel (by the way for EDH I would make Bruna the leader so you can bring back the one that transforms it to the 9/10)
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That being said, eh sure I'll give 'em a shot. Gisela is at least still a good card even if that bastard Emrakul tentacle-raped her innocence and beauty leaving her a twisted broken shell. I've always been a sucker for lifelink.
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Did anyone actually say that, or are you just inventing a straw man? I haven't seen any negative comments about Gisela other than "modern decks just bolt her." The only way she might be anything but a windmill slam bomb is if tons of the common/uncommon flyers in the set have 5 toughness, which is highly unlikely.
Thanks for that, that mental image just made Brisela even MORE nightmare-inducing. That said, Kaalia likes all these new angel friends....
I don't know, I think it's acute one.
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To me, emerge is only going to be as good as the creatures it's printed on. It CAN be powerful in theory, but until I see it on some busted creature thats reliably going to come down early, i'm not too concerned. Now, if I see any effect that grants other creatures emerge, then it's time to run and hide.
I don't blame ya it's a slightly better version of westvale
I understand. Yugioh had some of the worst excuses of such cards, creating so many replica of cards referencing different names/types. I feel that Magic only occasionally uses such mechanics, so it's not as abused as in Yugioh.
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It is ruled that the opponent can look at the back of a DFC at anytime....
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Gisela: Strong enough on her own to be a staple in Standard. Not sure about formats with Lightning Bolt.
Long Road Home: This is either temporary removal for when you need to swing for lethal damage, or it is removal protection with an upside, at a relatively cheap cost. I think this should see a lot of play.
Gnarlwood Dryad: This is mini-tarmogoyf. I actually think this could have some decent Legacy/Vintage applications, being a potential T1 3/3 deathtouch in Vintage, if not easily turning into that before you attack on T2 in Legacy. Glad it's not a rare, still might be fairly pricey as an uncommon ($2-3) as cards like Monastery Swiftspear still are even after rotation. Foils are probably going to be high.
What surprise? Your opponent can just ask to see the backside when you play it anyways.
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Disagree on the assessment of long road home. This is not like Valorous Stance that will be able to remove a creature from the board. It is just too situational to be an effective card. Probably decent in limited.
Disagree on the assessment of Gnarlwood Dryad. What makes mongoose great is that it has shroud besides the capacity to turn into a big beater. This creature, even when delirium is active, dies to lightning bolt (and pretty much everything else). I can see it being tested in eternal formats because the deathtouch grants her some early value, but I don't think it would replace the mongoose. It certainly has standard potential if there is such a thing as a delirium aggro deck viable after rotation, which would probably be BG in colors (with her, sinister concoction and other stuff).
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Why is it a bad choice? You are able to see any creature that's on the battlefield and that means the backs of DFC's as well. Otherwise it wouldn't be fair to not know what a creature could flip into.