For the first time in a long time if not ever I'm completely rebuked by the flavor of a set. For body horror, we had New Phyrexia, thank you. Innistrad a a cool gloomy, gothic vibe they completely smashed with that The Blob/The Thing freak show and these "Unglued reprezentz" assemble cards. Also we're just out of BFZ/OGW they come back again with Eldrazi Swarm vs. The Gatewatch Friendship thing.
Can't wait for a Kaladesh totally not full of Eldrazi Contraption Horrors. Or maybe they'll save that for Scars over Kaladesh Battle for Shadows or Something.
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And the fishman triggers off colorless creatures in the graveyard. It might not be "filled" with Eldrazi, but this is looking a lot like "Battle for Zendistrad" would have been a more appropriate name....
I like Eldrazi fine, but it's really starting to dilute what was supposed to be a return to one of the best blocks they've ever printed. The original Innistrad block was fantastic...why water it down? Just stick with what made it great in the first place. Sigh....
I think that until we see a common 1 or 2 drop single-face eldrazi creature, we don't need to panic on if the set will be filled to the gills with Eldrazi. It seems the DFC Eldrazi are all coming with a transform trigger that needs work, so you won't see the backside too often. And the Melds are even hoopier.
Anyone else think it's possible Maro's twisting the truth like usual, and while it is technically true that the set isn't filled with Eldrazi, it's only because it's filled with non-Eldrazi that turn into Eldrazi?
Then why do we have a creature (Grizzled Angler) that flips when you get colorless creatures into your graveyard? The ones that are only colorless on the backside don't count there, so there are going to be at least a few straight-up colorless creatures, or else why print the Angler? That's the most troubling sign yet, in my mind.
There's probably 20 eldrazi at most. There's unlikely to be more than 20 dfc (half of which will probably be werewolves since that's the only way we get werewolves) and there's 12-13 colorless cards, some of which will be noncreature. Since there's no devoid and all eldrazi are colorless now, that should be it. That would put the eldrazi percentage in Eldrich Moon way down at about 10%
Then why do we have a creature (Grizzled Angler) that flips when you get colorless creatures into your graveyard? The ones that are only colorless on the backside don't count there, so there are going to be at least a few straight-up colorless creatures, or else why print the Angler? That's the most troubling sign yet, in my mind.
An assumption based on the knowledge it was a Meld card initially (that was written in the preview article)...
Well, it was originally designed as a Meld card, so technically the check for the meld was "If you control a specific colorless creature". When the card got turned into a regular transform card, the specific was dropped, but since it had the "spirit" of meld, that would almost demand "sacrifice a colorless creature you control" for it to look like one. But that text alone would most likely just make the card bad, so they cut the slack and just directly checked the graveyard for it, with a mill effect flavored as "fishing".
In a way they want the "two-for-one" of the "meld" spirit design, but sacrificing a creature would be too blatant a "two-for-one" disadvantage, so they skipped it and went straight to a graveyard check as an impromptu measure. Not the best solution (like you stated it has its awkward non-interaction with the colorless flips), but I guess it was the simplest one.
Grizzled Angler looks for colorless creatures as a way to make it an easier transform trigger than specifically saying colorless Eldrazi.
Consider the context of the current sets:
Origins has at least one high-profile colorless creature in Hangarback Walker that wants to be in the 'yard.
BFZ Block: High-profile colorless creatures galore in the Eldrazi and Hedron Crawler.
Kaladesh Block: An Artifact heavy world sure to give us more colorless creatures.
This is why it would just reference just colorless creature than a stricter colorless Eldrazi requirement.
Anyone else think it's possible Maro's twisting the truth like usual, and while it is technically true that the set isn't filled with Eldrazi, it's only because it's filled with non-Eldrazi that turn into Eldrazi?
I think that's exactly what it is, but I didn't really feel like saying it in a thread where everyone just wants to complain about Eldrazi.
There's probably 20 eldrazi at most. There's unlikely to be more than 20 dfc (half of which will probably be werewolves since that's the only way we get werewolves) and there's 12-13 colorless cards, some of which will be noncreature. Since there's no devoid and all eldrazi are colorless now, that should be it. That would put the eldrazi percentage in Eldrich Moon way down at about 10%
Well, there's exactly 12 colorless cards (Wretched Gryff is 12 while Blessed Alliance is 13), but a "colorless creature" can be also artifact creature and those are in the block.
Then why do we have a creature (Grizzled Angler) that flips when you get colorless creatures into your graveyard? The ones that are only colorless on the backside don't count there, so there are going to be at least a few straight-up colorless creatures, or else why print the Angler? That's the most troubling sign yet, in my mind.
Note: Colorless creature. This includes artifact creatures such as Wicker Witch.
Of course, assuming there are 12/20 dfc being werewolves, that would mean we have all the eldrazi dfc. Since the meld cards are only an eldrazi card on the back, that would make 5 eldrazi effectively and if there are 8 colorless eldrazi creatures, that would make 13 eldrazi creatures and 13 colorless cards to go with Hanweir attacking for 13 and Emrakul being 13/13 for 13.
With only 12 "true Eldrazi", even if /every single DFC/ in the set transformed into an Eldrazi, they still wouldn't make up even a 25% of the set. The promise still holds.
I'm calling it right now- worst rare in the set. Even good limited players will find better bombs at common and uncommon no sweat. Worst. Episode. Ever.
I really do predict this to be our worst rare in set award winner. I'd be happier opening a jar of eyeballs, so I think anything worse is highly unlikely. This card wont just have zero constructed potential, but not be significantly better than a mass of ghouls in a draft.
Even if the backside of many cards is an Eldrazi, is that inherently bad? I like the colorless frame, the artwork looks nothing like those from BFZ block and the Eldrazi here do not look much alike in silhoute or mechanics.
It would take more than that to get me to run Wicker Witch, even in Limited.
It was simply an example. Harvest Hand, Thraben Gargoyle, and Wild-Field Scarecrow are all infinitely more playable artifact creatures that can help flip this guy, but they're also uncommons. And then, of course, there's Wretched Griff, which is a respectable, if a bit uninspiring, cantrip flier in this guy's colors. I don't think he's going to be as difficult to flip as people are expecting.
Anyone else think it's possible Maro's twisting the truth like usual, and while it is technically true that the set isn't filled with Eldrazi, it's only because it's filled with non-Eldrazi that turn into Eldrazi?
Did Maro actually say the set isn't filled with eldrazi, or did he say something else that got interpreted as such?
I mean, the phrase "filled with eldrazi" is already so vague it means basically nothing, but I don't think he even said it.
Anyone else think it's possible Maro's twisting the truth like usual, and while it is technically true that the set isn't filled with Eldrazi, it's only because it's filled with non-Eldrazi that turn into Eldrazi?
Did Maro actually say the set isn't filled with eldrazi, or did he say something else that got interpreted as such?
I mean, the phrase "filled with eldrazi" is already so vague it means basically nothing, but I don't think he even said it.
He said that Eldritch Moon was more about Emrakul's effect on Innistrad than it was about Eldrazi. So, in a way, yes, it being filled with Eldrazi doesn't have much to do with the original quote. However, the set certainly seems like it's about Eldrazi, even if they're coming in a different form, so it still comes across like a misleading answer, as Emrukul's effect appears to just be Eldrazi.
Anyone else think it's possible Maro's twisting the truth like usual, and while it is technically true that the set isn't filled with Eldrazi, it's only because it's filled with non-Eldrazi that turn into Eldrazi?
Did Maro actually say the set isn't filled with eldrazi, or did he say something else that got interpreted as such?
I mean, the phrase "filled with eldrazi" is already so vague it means basically nothing, but I don't think he even said it.
He said that Eldritch Moon was more about Emrakul's effect on Innistrad than it was about Eldrazi. So, in a way, yes, it being filled with Eldrazi doesn't have much to do with the original quote. However, the set certainly seems like it's about Eldrazi, even if they're coming in a different form, so it still comes across like a misleading answer, as Emrukul's effect appears to just be Eldrazi.
Certainly one of the big effects Emrakul has is transforming things into Eldrazi. Given how often I've heard that Emrakul warps biology and minds, this is not terribly surprising. What other effects would you expect to see in the 90% of the set we haven't seen?
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We just got 2 more right now
A eldrazi horse and a eldrazi fish.
And as for another piece of proof he was full of it.
Not to mention we still have 10 colorless cards in the 1 between 12 area of numbers
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I like Eldrazi fine, but it's really starting to dilute what was supposed to be a return to one of the best blocks they've ever printed. The original Innistrad block was fantastic...why water it down? Just stick with what made it great in the first place. Sigh....
Im all the way with you
A lot of cards so far are very playable.
I mean we just got a sorcery version of accumulated knowledge
And plus I'm a eldrazi fan even though there not pure breed eldrazis in this set.
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An assumption based on the knowledge it was a Meld card initially (that was written in the preview article)...
Well, it was originally designed as a Meld card, so technically the check for the meld was "If you control a specific colorless creature". When the card got turned into a regular transform card, the specific was dropped, but since it had the "spirit" of meld, that would almost demand "sacrifice a colorless creature you control" for it to look like one. But that text alone would most likely just make the card bad, so they cut the slack and just directly checked the graveyard for it, with a mill effect flavored as "fishing".
In a way they want the "two-for-one" of the "meld" spirit design, but sacrificing a creature would be too blatant a "two-for-one" disadvantage, so they skipped it and went straight to a graveyard check as an impromptu measure. Not the best solution (like you stated it has its awkward non-interaction with the colorless flips), but I guess it was the simplest one.
Consider the context of the current sets:
Origins has at least one high-profile colorless creature in Hangarback Walker that wants to be in the 'yard.
BFZ Block: High-profile colorless creatures galore in the Eldrazi and Hedron Crawler.
Kaladesh Block: An Artifact heavy world sure to give us more colorless creatures.
This is why it would just reference just colorless creature than a stricter colorless Eldrazi requirement.
I think that's exactly what it is, but I didn't really feel like saying it in a thread where everyone just wants to complain about Eldrazi.
Well, there's exactly 12 colorless cards (Wretched Gryff is 12 while Blessed Alliance is 13), but a "colorless creature" can be also artifact creature and those are in the block.
Note: Colorless creature. This includes artifact creatures such as Wicker Witch.
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It was simply an example. Harvest Hand, Thraben Gargoyle, and Wild-Field Scarecrow are all infinitely more playable artifact creatures that can help flip this guy, but they're also uncommons. And then, of course, there's Wretched Griff, which is a respectable, if a bit uninspiring, cantrip flier in this guy's colors. I don't think he's going to be as difficult to flip as people are expecting.
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Did Maro actually say the set isn't filled with eldrazi, or did he say something else that got interpreted as such?
I mean, the phrase "filled with eldrazi" is already so vague it means basically nothing, but I don't think he even said it.
He said that Eldritch Moon was more about Emrakul's effect on Innistrad than it was about Eldrazi. So, in a way, yes, it being filled with Eldrazi doesn't have much to do with the original quote. However, the set certainly seems like it's about Eldrazi, even if they're coming in a different form, so it still comes across like a misleading answer, as Emrukul's effect appears to just be Eldrazi.
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WDarien, King of KjeldorW - WYomiji, Who Bars the WayW - UIxidor, Reality SculptorU
BPhage the UntouchableB - BShirei,
Shadowborn Ap-Shizo's CaretakerB - RZirilan of the ClawR(W/U)Noyan Dar, Roil Shaper(W/U) - (2/G)Phelddagrif Politics(W/U) - (U/B)Mishra, Artificer Prodigy(U/R) - Karona, God of Voltron
Certainly one of the big effects Emrakul has is transforming things into Eldrazi. Given how often I've heard that Emrakul warps biology and minds, this is not terribly surprising. What other effects would you expect to see in the 90% of the set we haven't seen?