Runes' Mom has got it going on. She's all I want and I've waited for so long....
She was recently reprinted in the Elspeth vs Kiora duel deck. You waited a year or so? O.o
He was referencing a song. "Stacy's Mom." Perhaps you've heard it.
Also, rarity upshifts are predominating this set. Like, why is Shardless Agent at rare and Bloodbraid Elf still at uncommon? Is it to minimize the chances of living the dream by cascading them into each other? Is BBE's presence the reason Shardless has to be rare? Boo to these upgrades, especially Worldgorger Dragon. I get that it's mythic to reduce the chances of the Animate Dead combo, but they could just as well left it out.
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They can't keep getting away with it. They've basically bumped the chase commons to uncommon and the chase uncommons to rare. With Eternal format staples being such diverse in rarity they had the opportunity to crash the price of some commons and uncommons hard and minimize the feelbad when you open junk rares. by spreading the value through the rarities. Instead it seems they had their Standard cash cow design mentality at full power: make the set as top heavy as possible, now with 10$ packs edition
You can't be serious. If you wanted a set that all of the value was in one rarity that would be Modern Masters 2015. From everything I've seen, they've got quality cards at ALL rarities - even common! MM15 had, what, Remand at uncommon? Just from what we've seen there are SEVERAL more popular uncommons here. If anything, I think Wizards has done a FANTASTIC job of spreading out values at all rarities.
Runes' Mom has got it going on. She's all I want and I've waited for so long....
She was recently reprinted in the Elspeth vs Kiora duel deck. You waited a year or so? O.o
He was referencing a song. "Stacy's Mom." Perhaps you've heard it.
Nope. Always feel dumb when I miss a reference though.
It happens. It's a good song though, if you like well-written pop-rock. I'm a big Fountains of Wayne fan.
Piggybacking off the discussion about rarity upshifts, I stand by my dissatisfaction with them in this set. I do agree, though, with the notion that Wizards has done an admirable job (from what I've seen anyway), of spreading value across rarities, as well as choosing some pretty spicy stuff to reprint. I don't like the upshifts, but it's nowhere near as bad as to derail my enjoyment of this set.
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They can't keep getting away with it. They've basically bumped the chase commons to uncommon and the chase uncommons to rare. With Eternal format staples being such diverse in rarity they had the opportunity to crash the price of some commons and uncommons hard and minimize the feelbad when you open junk rares. by spreading the value through the rarities. Instead it seems they had their Standard cash cow design mentality at full power: make the set as top heavy as possible, now with 10$ packs edition
You can't be serious. If you wanted a set that all of the value was in one rarity that would be Modern Masters 2015. From everything I've seen, they've got quality cards at ALL rarities - even common! MM15 had, what, Remand at uncommon? Just from what we've seen there are SEVERAL more popular uncommons here. If anything, I think Wizards has done a FANTASTIC job of spreading out values at all rarities.
MM15 had Remand, Dismember, Lightning Bolt (A $3 card right now), and the Bouncelands (Which were creeping up to over $1 before the reprinting, and some even more) uncommons. Cranial Plating, Expedition Map, Mana Leak, and Electrolyze also were fine reprints, and were still sticky to find (Even though they weren't expensive). They at least saw play. After that? Stone nothing.
By comparison, Eternal Masters gives us(So far):
Brainstorm, Counterspell, Daze, Pyroblast, Animate Dead, Hymn to Tourach, Innocent Blood, Cabal Therapy) Chain Lightning, Price of Progress, Gaea's Blessing, Nimble Mongoose, Wirewood Symbiote, Bloodbraid Elf, Swords to Plowshares, Ashnod's Altar and Mishra's Factory. Equally, both Firebolt and Ancestral Mask are good reprints for MTGO (Where their prices were absurdly high).
These are going by cards which were $1 or more at time of reprinting. As of right now, without knowing *anything* about the rest of the set, there are just as many cards at C/U for EM as there were for MM15 that are $1 or more.
For rares, MM15 had only 18 non-bulk rares at time of printing ($4+), and a good most of those were still not very sought after. As of right now, I count 22 rares known that are above bulk status ($4+). MM15, as everyone knows, was far better for Mythics, with almost a full boat of non-bulk mythics (14 out of 15). So far, only a single bulk-status mythic is in Eternal Masters (Balance). As far as *complete* bulk (Sub $1), MM15 had at least 30 complete bulk rares at time of printing. We can't say for certain for EM yet.
If nothing at all of note gets printed from here on out, this is where we'll be left:
1. One extra C/U than MM15 of note being printed in paper.
2. *Three* more C/U being printed in MTGO of relevance.
3. At least four more non-bulk rares, possibly more.
4. A similar mythic spread.
So, without anything else changing, you are slightly better off to get a card of note coming from EMA than from MM15. With nearly 200 cards *still* to be spoiled, I would be very surprised if this number doesn't increase by some amount. To be frank, value is spread to some extent more evenly here than in MM15. How much remains to be seen.
They can't keep getting away with it. They've basically bumped the chase commons to uncommon and the chase uncommons to rare. With Eternal format staples being such diverse in rarity they had the opportunity to crash the price of some commons and uncommons hard and minimize the feelbad when you open junk rares. by spreading the value through the rarities. Instead it seems they had their Standard cash cow design mentality at full power: make the set as top heavy as possible, now with 10$ packs edition
You can't be serious. If you wanted a set that all of the value was in one rarity that would be Modern Masters 2015. From everything I've seen, they've got quality cards at ALL rarities - even common! MM15 had, what, Remand at uncommon? Just from what we've seen there are SEVERAL more popular uncommons here. If anything, I think Wizards has done a FANTASTIC job of spreading out values at all rarities.
MM15 had Remand, Dismember, Lightning Bolt (A $3 card right now), and the Bouncelands (Which were creeping up to over $1 before the reprinting, and some even more) uncommons. Cranial Plating, Expedition Map, Mana Leak, and Electrolyze also were fine reprints, and were still sticky to find (Even though they weren't expensive). They at least saw play. After that? Stone nothing.
By comparison, Eternal Masters gives us(So far):
Brainstorm, Counterspell, Daze, Pyroblast, Animate Dead, Hymn to Tourach, Innocent Blood, Cabal Therapy) Chain Lightning, Price of Progress, Gaea's Blessing, Nimble Mongoose, Wirewood Symbiote, Bloodbraid Elf, Swords to Plowshares, Ashnod's Altar and Mishra's Factory. Equally, both Firebolt and Ancestral Mask are good reprints for MTGO (Where their prices were absurdly high).
These are going by cards which were $1 or more at time of reprinting. As of right now, without knowing *anything* about the rest of the set, there are just as many cards at C/U for EM as there were for MM15 that are $1 or more.
For rares, MM15 had only 18 non-bulk rares at time of printing ($4+), and a good most of those were still not very sought after. As of right now, I count 22 rares known that are above bulk status ($4+). MM15, as everyone knows, was far better for Mythics, with almost a full boat of non-bulk mythics (14 out of 15). So far, only a single bulk-status mythic is in Eternal Masters (Balance). As far as *complete* bulk (Sub $1), MM15 had at least 30 complete bulk rares at time of printing. We can't say for certain for EM yet.
If nothing at all of note gets printed from here on out, this is where we'll be left:
1. One extra C/U than MM15 of note being printed in paper.
2. *Three* more C/U being printed in MTGO of relevance.
3. At least four more non-bulk rares, possibly more.
4. A similar mythic spread.
So, without anything else changing, you are slightly better off to get a card of note coming from EMA than from MM15. With nearly 200 cards *still* to be spoiled, I would be very surprised if this number doesn't increase by some amount. To be frank, value is spread to some extent more evenly here than in MM15. How much remains to be seen.
My apologies if I wasn't clear in my response. This is exactly what I should have said. Thank you for putting it far more eloquently.
To be fair, Balance is only "Bulk" because the demand is low. It's only legal in Cube and Restricted in Vintage. A majority of Magic players have no use for a card that is not legal in Standard, Modern, EDH or Legacy.
To be fair, Balance is only "Bulk" because the demand is low. It's only legal in Cube and Restricted in Vintage. A majority of Magic players have no use for a card that is not legal in Standard, Modern, EDH or Legacy.
I was only going off of prices currently, nothing else. And you are correct; Balance is pretty much desired as a single copy by pretty much anybody who wants it. That said, it'll be nice to get what is ostensibly the best art for the card for pretty cheap (And not having to get a crappy FTV foil). I'll be curious to see where the foil prices go. Given that it's regular foiling, I imagine it'll be pretty spendy (At or around the current Judge foil is my thinking).
It's a very mythic feeling card, and the less I ahve to worry about it in draft the better.
Either you are planning to play limited in this set, in which case you probably don't want to play against the 2-3 mother of runes deck, or you're not playing limited, in which case who cares? The cards they reprint will be easier to get ahold of, the ones they aren't, won't. Rather than being annoyed about the lower-value rares, shouldn't you get annoyed about the lack of whatever card you WANT to get reprinted? I mean, if you just want to build X deck with X card that costs too much, it wouldn't matter if they reprinted library of alexandria instead, if it's not in your deck then it's equally irrelevant whether it's a valuable card that you don't need, or a low-value card that you don't need.
I suppose the third option is that you're the kind of idiot who will just buy packs of EMA to crack hoping for value, in which case, seriously? Either buy singles for constructed or play limited, but don't whine about how you can't make money off the secondary market. Magic doesn't exist for you to make money at, unless you're a store. And I doubt many of the whiners in this thread are stores.
only a single bulk-status mythic is in Eternal Masters (Balance).
I would consider Worldgorger Dragon a bulk mythic and Necropotence and Enchantress are pretty meh as you relying on you mythics to make the value back not just break even on the cost of a pack.
Personally I prefer most of my value to be in the cards I open at least one of every pack, not the cards that show up every 1 in 8 packs. But that's just me.
OK that's it. I bought a box. Couldn't even buy it from my default provider, because they sold out today (I had the shop open in a fan), so I had to chase something down and bought it from some obscure shop in Italy.
I'm calling it right now- worst rare in the set. Even good limited players will find better bombs at common and uncommon no sweat. Worst. Episode. Ever.
I really do predict this to be our worst rare in set award winner. I'd be happier opening a jar of eyeballs, so I think anything worse is highly unlikely. This card wont just have zero constructed potential, but not be significantly better than a mass of ghouls in a draft.
Being rare unfortunately makes sense. If you got a hold of two of these somehow it would have been terror. Even just one is incredibly annoying. While the rarity bump is still stupid as hell, considering she just saw reprint not that long ago, but for limited it does make sense, which is bull*****.
She was recently reprinted in the Elspeth vs Kiora duel deck. You waited a year or so? O.o
He was referencing a song. "Stacy's Mom." Perhaps you've heard it.
Also, rarity upshifts are predominating this set. Like, why is Shardless Agent at rare and Bloodbraid Elf still at uncommon? Is it to minimize the chances of living the dream by cascading them into each other? Is BBE's presence the reason Shardless has to be rare? Boo to these upgrades, especially Worldgorger Dragon. I get that it's mythic to reduce the chances of the Animate Dead combo, but they could just as well left it out.
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You can't be serious. If you wanted a set that all of the value was in one rarity that would be Modern Masters 2015. From everything I've seen, they've got quality cards at ALL rarities - even common! MM15 had, what, Remand at uncommon? Just from what we've seen there are SEVERAL more popular uncommons here. If anything, I think Wizards has done a FANTASTIC job of spreading out values at all rarities.
Nope. Always feel dumb when I miss a reference though.
It happens. It's a good song though, if you like well-written pop-rock. I'm a big Fountains of Wayne fan.
Piggybacking off the discussion about rarity upshifts, I stand by my dissatisfaction with them in this set. I do agree, though, with the notion that Wizards has done an admirable job (from what I've seen anyway), of spreading value across rarities, as well as choosing some pretty spicy stuff to reprint. I don't like the upshifts, but it's nowhere near as bad as to derail my enjoyment of this set.
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MM15 had Remand, Dismember, Lightning Bolt (A $3 card right now), and the Bouncelands (Which were creeping up to over $1 before the reprinting, and some even more) uncommons. Cranial Plating, Expedition Map, Mana Leak, and Electrolyze also were fine reprints, and were still sticky to find (Even though they weren't expensive). They at least saw play. After that? Stone nothing.
By comparison, Eternal Masters gives us(So far):
Brainstorm, Counterspell, Daze, Pyroblast, Animate Dead, Hymn to Tourach, Innocent Blood, Cabal Therapy) Chain Lightning, Price of Progress, Gaea's Blessing, Nimble Mongoose, Wirewood Symbiote, Bloodbraid Elf, Swords to Plowshares, Ashnod's Altar and Mishra's Factory. Equally, both Firebolt and Ancestral Mask are good reprints for MTGO (Where their prices were absurdly high).
These are going by cards which were $1 or more at time of reprinting. As of right now, without knowing *anything* about the rest of the set, there are just as many cards at C/U for EM as there were for MM15 that are $1 or more.
For rares, MM15 had only 18 non-bulk rares at time of printing ($4+), and a good most of those were still not very sought after. As of right now, I count 22 rares known that are above bulk status ($4+). MM15, as everyone knows, was far better for Mythics, with almost a full boat of non-bulk mythics (14 out of 15). So far, only a single bulk-status mythic is in Eternal Masters (Balance). As far as *complete* bulk (Sub $1), MM15 had at least 30 complete bulk rares at time of printing. We can't say for certain for EM yet.
If nothing at all of note gets printed from here on out, this is where we'll be left:
1. One extra C/U than MM15 of note being printed in paper.
2. *Three* more C/U being printed in MTGO of relevance.
3. At least four more non-bulk rares, possibly more.
4. A similar mythic spread.
So, without anything else changing, you are slightly better off to get a card of note coming from EMA than from MM15. With nearly 200 cards *still* to be spoiled, I would be very surprised if this number doesn't increase by some amount. To be frank, value is spread to some extent more evenly here than in MM15. How much remains to be seen.
My apologies if I wasn't clear in my response. This is exactly what I should have said. Thank you for putting it far more eloquently.
I was only going off of prices currently, nothing else. And you are correct; Balance is pretty much desired as a single copy by pretty much anybody who wants it. That said, it'll be nice to get what is ostensibly the best art for the card for pretty cheap (And not having to get a crappy FTV foil). I'll be curious to see where the foil prices go. Given that it's regular foiling, I imagine it'll be pretty spendy (At or around the current Judge foil is my thinking).
It's a very mythic feeling card, and the less I ahve to worry about it in draft the better.
Either you are planning to play limited in this set, in which case you probably don't want to play against the 2-3 mother of runes deck, or you're not playing limited, in which case who cares? The cards they reprint will be easier to get ahold of, the ones they aren't, won't. Rather than being annoyed about the lower-value rares, shouldn't you get annoyed about the lack of whatever card you WANT to get reprinted? I mean, if you just want to build X deck with X card that costs too much, it wouldn't matter if they reprinted library of alexandria instead, if it's not in your deck then it's equally irrelevant whether it's a valuable card that you don't need, or a low-value card that you don't need.
I suppose the third option is that you're the kind of idiot who will just buy packs of EMA to crack hoping for value, in which case, seriously? Either buy singles for constructed or play limited, but don't whine about how you can't make money off the secondary market. Magic doesn't exist for you to make money at, unless you're a store. And I doubt many of the whiners in this thread are stores.
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Personally I prefer most of my value to be in the cards I open at least one of every pack, not the cards that show up every 1 in 8 packs. But that's just me.
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M10 was a dark time for us all... well, some of us. Okay, mostly just me. I had terrible pulls from it.
And I'm surprised by it's inclusion, as it's been reprinted multiple times recently in commander decks and she's not exactly hard to come by anymore.
ALRIGHT ALRIGHT I'LL BUY A BOOSTER BOX.
DANG, IT'S SOLD OUT WHERE I LIVE.
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ORDER A BOX FROM AN OBSCURE ITALIAN STORE.
This was the spoiler that broke the camel's back Or whatever the correct metaphor is. I don't care. Any mythic of these would be amazing.