God, I love those beautiful collage-like images she does. It's too bad Treachery is on the RL. It's hard to see myself playing Control Magic over it unless it's for budget reasons. Beautiful card and not a bad one, but another to put on the list of cards you don't want to open in a $10 pack. Wish they would have saved this for the next Commander precon or something.
I can't believe they had the balls to do this in $10 packs.
I can. They did it in MM1 and MM2. Still don't understand why Wizards thinks they have to make these sets super short print run and only sold at card shops. :/
Artwork is cool if any 'rares' are worse than this I prob not buy very much in fear of getting multiple bad rares. That's what happened when MM2 came out and I went to buy packs
This say reprint twice within a small period of time, not sure why this was put in here at all. Making it rare, although a tad necessary in limited, is just nuts in a set like this. Hopefully there aren't many more of these less than $1 rares, because we've gotten two of them today and Worldgorger Dragon might as well be less than $1 as a mythic.
If this set would simply be a "normal" price pack it would be totally fine.
As it is, we get a ton of "rares" (and mythics) that are worth allmost nothing, and that will just make the product much less fitting for the 10$ price tag.
Thats a real problem, as it totally says this product is NOT worth its 10$ packs and its quite a rip off so far.
Cards are totally cool, a lot of the new artwork is great, but its really not 10$ per pack, not even a little bit ...
If this set would simply be a "normal" price pack it would be totally fine.
As it is, we get a ton of "rares" (and mythics) that are worth allmost nothing, and that will just make the product much less fitting for the 10$ price tag.
Thats a real problem, as it totally says this product is NOT worth its 10$ packs and its quite a rip off so far.
Cards are totally cool, a lot of the new artwork is great, but its really not 10$ per pack, not even a little bit ...
Right now it is looking better than MM2, but this set needs to be careful before it becomes another MM2. If the rares keep being just as bad this set would have been better having $7 boosters rather than $10 ones.
Of course the set will have bulk rares. If every rare is 10+ dollar, the store will never sell you the booster at this price (they will make more money by opening it themselves then selling you the singles).
If every rare of the set is 10+ dollar, you will have to pay 20+$ for the booster and rage when you open a 10$ rare
Even if I would be disappointed to open this over a wasteland, the card is still playable in casual or EDH decks, has great art and will be great to open in limited!
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I can't believe they had the balls to do this in $10 packs.
I can. They did it in MM1 and MM2. Still don't understand why Wizards thinks they have to make these sets super short print run and only sold at card shops. :/
Which 50 cent uncommon had MM1 and MM2 upgraded to rare?
Of course the set will have bulk rares. If every rare is 10+ dollar, the store will never sell you the booster at this price (they will make more money by opening it themselves then selling you the singles).
If every rare of the set is 10+ dollar, you will have to pay 20+$ for the booster and rage when you open a 10$ rare
Even if I would be disappointed to open this over a wasteland, the card is still playable in casual or EDH decks, has great art and will be great to open in limited!
While it is true to get $10 in every rare slot, there really isn't a reason to put cards that are 50 cents when there are plenty of $3-$6 ones that we won't mind seeing. Goblin Charbelcher is only about $4 and no one was upset seeing it.
This card is by no means worthless. Firstly, it is a cube staple, and many people will be happy to get a sweet version with Terese Nielson art. Secondly, this will be the first time this card is printed in foil, which will make a lot of cube owners happy.
Sure, value wise it sucks to get this at rare, but there are people who want this card, unlike Enrek Sahr, Long Forgotten Gohei etc.
If this set would simply be a "normal" price pack it would be totally fine.
As it is, we get a ton of "rares" (and mythics) that are worth allmost nothing, and that will just make the product much less fitting for the 10$ price tag.
Thats a real problem, as it totally says this product is NOT worth its 10$ packs and its quite a rip off so far.
Cards are totally cool, a lot of the new artwork is great, but its really not 10$ per pack, not even a little bit ...
Right now it is looking better than MM2, but this set needs to be careful before it becomes another MM2. If the rares keep being just as bad this set would have been better having $7 boosters rather than $10 ones.
3 out of the 9 rares spoiled so far are bad moneywise (Goblin Charbelcher, Diminishing Returns, Control Magic) with some more under 10$, but there are also Gamble, Wasteland and Sylvan Library (black-bordered!) in the rare slot. MM2 had 10.5 decent rares in 53 rare slots (the 0.5 come from Splinter Twin), so we don't need that much more good rares to be better than MM2.
Edit: Saw Entomb being spoilered! Another expensive rare pushing the numbers up.
If this set would simply be a "normal" price pack it would be totally fine.
As it is, we get a ton of "rares" (and mythics) that are worth allmost nothing, and that will just make the product much less fitting for the 10$ price tag.
Thats a real problem, as it totally says this product is NOT worth its 10$ packs and its quite a rip off so far.
Cards are totally cool, a lot of the new artwork is great, but its really not 10$ per pack, not even a little bit ...
Right now it is looking better than MM2, but this set needs to be careful before it becomes another MM2. If the rares keep being just as bad this set would have been better having $7 boosters rather than $10 ones.
3 out of the 9 rares spoiled so far are bad moneywise (Goblin Charbelcher, Diminishing Returns, Control Magic) with some more under 10$, but there are also Gamble, Wasteland and Sylvan Library (black-bordered!) in the rare slot. MM2 had 10.5 decent rares in 53 rare slots (the 0.5 come from Splinter Twin), so we don't need that much more good rares to be better than MM2.
Edit: Saw Entomb being spoilered! Another expensive rare pushing the numbers up.
For a lot of the cards the EU price is much lower than the corresponding US price.
For whatever reason that is, it makes this set much worse in EU than in US.
The super horrible rares are still worth nothing, regardless of area.
I mean, Gamble, Sylvan Library and Entomb are just a "bit" (like ~15€) above the 10€ price tag, and prices will go down with the reprints even more, so that wont help ...
For a lot of the cards the EU price is much lower than the corresponding US price.
For whatever reason that is, it makes this set much worse in EU than in US.
The super horrible rares are still worth nothing, regardless of area.
I mean, Gamble, Sylvan Library and Entomb are just a "bit" (like ~15 euros) above the 10 euros price tag, and prices will go down with the reprints even more, so that wont help ...
I know, since I live in Europe as well. But I like to see it in a different way. A booster SoI costs around 3 euros, the value coming from it is probably around 1 euro (and I think this is generous), so by the same thought a booster EMA should give realistically around 3 to 4 euros. And we seem to be currently above this number. But we will probably see more bulk rares coming over the next week, so let's wait.
I can't believe they had the balls to do this in $10 packs.
I can. They did it in MM1 and MM2. Still don't understand why Wizards thinks they have to make these sets super short print run and only sold at card shops. :/
Which 50 cent uncommon had MM1 and MM2 upgraded to rare?
That card was an absolute bomb in MM13 draft though.
I know most people on here aren't very good at Magic and shy away from Limited but it bears repeating: this set's first objective is to provide a good draft experience, that's how WotC will sell as many packs as they can.
Now granted, opening this when you have a shot at some really expensive stuff can be a bit of a let down but to act like it's WotC spitting on the players is just so over-the-top stupid.
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Yesterday was great and now we get these garbage cards today. Worldgorger Dragon, Diminishing Returns and this piece of garbage bumped up to rare to boot. It sucked pulling this card 20+ years ago when I cracked open packs of Revised and it sucks even worse today. Every rare and mythic can't be a high cost bomb but there is absolutely no need to bump up bulk uncommons to rare. Bad form Wizards.
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Yesterday was great and now we get these garbage cards today. Worldgorger Dragon, Diminishing Returns and this piece of garbage bumped up to rare to boot. It sucked pulling this card 20+ years ago when I cracked open packs of Revised and it sucks even worse today. Every rare and mythic can't be a high cost bomb but there is absolutely no need to bump up bulk uncommons to rare. Bad form Wizards.
It's necessary if they want this set to be drafted. Control Magic at uncommon would be completely busted.
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As it is, we get a ton of "rares" (and mythics) that are worth allmost nothing, and that will just make the product much less fitting for the 10$ price tag.
Thats a real problem, as it totally says this product is NOT worth its 10$ packs and its quite a rip off so far.
Cards are totally cool, a lot of the new artwork is great, but its really not 10$ per pack, not even a little bit ...
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Right now it is looking better than MM2, but this set needs to be careful before it becomes another MM2. If the rares keep being just as bad this set would have been better having $7 boosters rather than $10 ones.
If every rare of the set is 10+ dollar, you will have to pay 20+$ for the booster and rage when you open a 10$ rare
Even if I would be disappointed to open this over a wasteland, the card is still playable in casual or EDH decks, has great art and will be great to open in limited!
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While it is true to get $10 in every rare slot, there really isn't a reason to put cards that are 50 cents when there are plenty of $3-$6 ones that we won't mind seeing. Goblin Charbelcher is only about $4 and no one was upset seeing it.
Other than that, a rarity increase for Limited seems reasonable. The card is incredibly strong.
Sure, value wise it sucks to get this at rare, but there are people who want this card, unlike Enrek Sahr, Long Forgotten Gohei etc.
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3 out of the 9 rares spoiled so far are bad moneywise (Goblin Charbelcher, Diminishing Returns, Control Magic) with some more under 10$, but there are also Gamble, Wasteland and Sylvan Library (black-bordered!) in the rare slot. MM2 had 10.5 decent rares in 53 rare slots (the 0.5 come from Splinter Twin), so we don't need that much more good rares to be better than MM2.
Edit: Saw Entomb being spoilered! Another expensive rare pushing the numbers up.
For a lot of the cards the EU price is much lower than the corresponding US price.
For whatever reason that is, it makes this set much worse in EU than in US.
The super horrible rares are still worth nothing, regardless of area.
I mean, Gamble, Sylvan Library and Entomb are just a "bit" (like ~15€) above the 10€ price tag, and prices will go down with the reprints even more, so that wont help ...
Even Mana Crypt is significantly cheaper in EU , Jace, the Mind Sculptur also just hardly 60-70€.
Hopefully they throw in a Tarmogoyf just for good measure.
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I know, since I live in Europe as well. But I like to see it in a different way. A booster SoI costs around 3 euros, the value coming from it is probably around 1 euro (and I think this is generous), so by the same thought a booster EMA should give realistically around 3 to 4 euros. And we seem to be currently above this number. But we will probably see more bulk rares coming over the next week, so let's wait.
That card was an absolute bomb in MM13 draft though.
I know most people on here aren't very good at Magic and shy away from Limited but it bears repeating: this set's first objective is to provide a good draft experience, that's how WotC will sell as many packs as they can.
Now granted, opening this when you have a shot at some really expensive stuff can be a bit of a let down but to act like it's WotC spitting on the players is just so over-the-top stupid.
STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
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It's necessary if they want this set to be drafted. Control Magic at uncommon would be completely busted.
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You are right. Sadly this will be a 50 cent rare in a 10$ pack because they cant really have it an uncommon for drafting. Foils will be sweet though.
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