So it turns out that the Hybrid cards are NOT all enemy-color pair cards. This certainly throws the assumptions off a bit as to what the last two hybrid cards might be; I had Boros Reckoner penciled in at 213.
It'll definitely be interesting where the rest of the pieces fall into the number crunch. I don't expect (hope I'm wrong) anymore big name cards at rare so I'm hoping to see more uncommons and commons. I think we'll see berserk as a green mythic and stoneforge mystic as the other white. the question is what is the last mythic? I'm pulling for it to be rishadan port.
They've already spoiled 12 of the 15 mythics; the remaining three are the one white and two green mythics they haven't spoiled, so unless it's at rare Rishadan Port will not be in this set.
So it turns out that the Hybrid cards are NOT all enemy-color pair cards. This certainly throws the assumptions off a bit as to what the last two hybrid cards might be; I had Boros Reckoner penciled in at 213.
It'll definitely be interesting where the rest of the pieces fall into the number crunch. I don't expect (hope I'm wrong) anymore big name cards at rare so I'm hoping to see more uncommons and commons. I think we'll see berserk as a green mythic and stoneforge mystic as the other white. the question is what is the last mythic? I'm pulling for it to be rishadan port.
They've already spoiled 12 of the 15 mythics; the remaining three are the one white and two green mythics they haven't spoiled, so unless it's at rare Rishadan Port will not be in this set.
yeah just saw that well now that Natural Order is in its either gonna be Oath of Druids\Berserk and (I hope) Stoneforge Mystic so Caw Blade can be a limited thing however unlikely that is. anyhow what are other good options at white beside Stoneforge Mystic at this point??
You forgot Mind's Eye, Mask of Memory, and Memnarch; any of those would potentially be better than most if not all of the cards you listed (and in the case of the last two, limited bombs in any other format).
I'm also going to go ahead and call card #180 as Rancor.
You forgot Mind's Eye, Mask of Memory, and Memnarch; any of those would potentially be better than most if not all of the cards you listed (and in the case of the last two, limited bombs in any other format).
I'm also going to go ahead and call card #180 as Rancor.
You're right, I shouldn't have discounted Mind's Eye for its modern frame, especially since this is a Commander-oriented product.
Rancor does seem awfully likely with the WG enchantment theme. No Quirion Ranger, then.
You forgot Mind's Eye, Mask of Memory, and Memnarch; any of those would potentially be better than most if not all of the cards you listed (and in the case of the last two, limited bombs in any other format).
I'm also going to go ahead and call card #180 as Rancor.
You're right, I shouldn't have discounted Mind's Eye for its modern frame, especially since this is a Commander-oriented product.
Rancor does seem awfully likely with the WG enchantment theme. No Quirion Ranger, then.
I just don't see them putting both Wirewood Symbiote and Quirion Ranger in the same set; also, the Elves archetype is black-green, so the Ranger is a less synergistic inclusion than it would be in a mono-green archetype.
Perhaps I shouldn't have been so unequivocal though; any of the following could potentially be logical inclusions depending on how you look at it, with varying levels of likelihood, of course:
Oath of Druids (doubt it since Natural Order has a similar effect and is already in the set) Oracle of Mul Daya (EDH playable but not much else; also relatively modern) Priest of Titania (ELVES! Not sure how I overlooked this, although I'm not sure if this would be nearly as applicable in limited since the archetype doesn't seem to be 'elf combo') Quirion Dryad (Unlikely, but would nonetheless play well with what I'm assuming are going to be a lot of cheap instants/sorceries in both blue and red) Reverent Silence (Already a couple of free spells in Daze and Force of Will; this format is going to need enchantment hate--especially since we know one of the archetypes is going to be "enchantments") Roar of the Wurm (actually, would not be a bad include in a threshold/flashback deck) Sakura-Tribe Elder (see above; also, this is just speculation, but I could see red-green being a ramp-style aggro deck so this would fit into that as well) Seedborn Muse (flat out busted and a reprint wouldn't hurt considering how expensive this is for a card that has been printed three times and only sees play in EDH) Silhana Ledgewalker (if the enchantment strategy is a 'voltron' type strategy, this slots in as a great base creature; also, it's an elf) Skyshroud Claim (not likely, but an EDH staple) Spike Feeder and Spike Weaver (again, not likely, but awesome cards in their own right)
Not only that, but I'd lay money on it being the DD:SvC / FtV20 art. First time Impulse would ever be available as a pack foil (it's only ever had FtV and FNM Promo copies).
#193 should be the last green card as we need a slot for worldly tutor to complete the mirage tutor cycle
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The most interesting question to me is- is there another mythic land? If so, based on the crunch, could it be anything other than Port? Outside chance Cabal Coffers could be mythic.
And we would like to follow Ancient Tomb and see if that ever gets squeezed out.
Karakas-Misha's is closed. Squeezed out: Minamo School at Water's Edge, Lavaclaw Reaches, Khalni Garden, Kor Haven, Mikokoro Center of the Sea, Miren the Moaning Well (related cycles?) anything else good?
The most interesting question to me is- is there another mythic land? If so, based on the crunch, could it be anything other than Port? Outside chance Cabal Coffers could be mythic.
And we would like to follow Ancient Tomb and see if that ever gets squeezed out.
Karakas-Misha's is closed. Squeezed out: Minamo School at Water's Edge, Lavaclaw Reaches, Khalni Garden, Kor Haven, Mikokoro Center of the Sea, Miren the Moaning Well (related cycles?) anything else good?
The most interesting question to me is- is there another mythic land? If so, based on the crunch, could it be anything other than Port?
It's already been revealed that there are going to be 15 mythics in this set; so far all but two have been revealed, and only one each of the white and green mythics have been revealed. Unless Rishadan Port is a rare, it's not in Eternal Masters. I don't see how they could print it as anything but a mythic; otherwise it's basically showing up in every other draft, and nobody likes getting Stone Rained every turn.
#193 should be the last green card as we need a slot for worldly tutor to complete the mirage tutor cycle
Mirage et al, but yes, I want to second this. Perhaps even Worldly Tutor in italics as it seems likely.
Well, they could fool us all and print Sylvan Tutor instead.
But I'd have thought we'd have seen Personal Tutor as well if they were heading down that route.
And then they'd have probably worn it for not reprinting Grim Tutor / Imperial Seal... slippery slope there...
There's one thing that has really been bugging me about "the crunch", and it's that there's obviously an uneven distribution of mono-colored cards in this set.
For instance--and this is assuming that #78 Animate Dead is the first black card, which is not an unfair assumption--there are only 77 slots for blue and white combined, meaning that one color (I'm going to go ahead and guess white for the sake of argument because nothing after Wrath of God is remotely worthy of being in this set, but then again who knows) is getting 38 cards while the other is getting 39. Do you think that Wizards is offsetting this the way one would build a "cube"--i.e. by including cards in the land/artifact slots that only work with that color?
The most glaring example of this I can think of is Wirewood Lodge, which I am CONVINCED is going to be the 249th card in this set because of the "elves" archetype. Even assuming that only white or blue loses one card, that puts green's last card at 194. Could it be possible that some of the following are in the set--Cephalid Coliseum, Vedalken Shackles, Barbarian Ring, or Cabal Coffers--and that they count as cards of their respective colors for this purpose (i.e. Wirewood Symbiote at 192 is actually the last mono-colored card in the set--the only things I see that come after that would be worth printing would be Woodfall Primus,Wren's Run Vanquisher, Yavimaya Elder and Xantid Swarm, and none of those really NEED to be in this set)?
Independent of that, do you think any of the cards I listed above--i.e. Coffers, Coliseum--might make their way into the set anyway?
The most interesting question to me is- is there another mythic land? If so, based on the crunch, could it be anything other than Port?
It's already been revealed that there are going to be 15 mythics in this set; so far all but two have been revealed, and only one each of the white and green mythics have been revealed. Unless Rishadan Port is a rare, it's not in Eternal Masters. I don't see how they could print it as anything but a mythic; otherwise it's basically showing up in every other draft, and nobody likes getting Stone Rained every turn.
Could Land Tax be a rare, or based on the limited format, would it have to be mythic?
It was at rare in Masters Edition 3 online.
And if they print it with that Judge Promo art, I think I might explode.
I'd prefer if they left it out entirely, but if they do print it hopefully it's just at standard rare; Balance was already kind of a dud include at mythic for white, but then again white just doesn't seem to have many big, splashy spells that aren't simple board wipes like the other 4 colors seem to.
The biggest issue for me is that Land Tax has absolutely ZERO application in limited--it's really disappointing to open in draft because you're then faced with the choice of value drafting it first pick or passing it to take a card that you can actually use. I think I'd maybe rather see a creature like Stoneforge Mystic, Baneslayer Angel or Linvala, Keeper of Silence in that last mythic slot.
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They've already spoiled 12 of the 15 mythics; the remaining three are the one white and two green mythics they haven't spoiled, so unless it's at rare Rishadan Port will not be in this set.
yeah just saw that well now that Natural Order is in its either gonna be Oath of Druids\Berserk and (I hope) Stoneforge Mystic so Caw Blade can be a limited thing however unlikely that is. anyhow what are other good options at white beside Stoneforge Mystic at this point??
Edit: ...And space for TWO such cards!
You forgot Mind's Eye, Mask of Memory, and Memnarch; any of those would potentially be better than most if not all of the cards you listed (and in the case of the last two, limited bombs in any other format).
I'm also going to go ahead and call card #180 as Rancor.
Rancor does seem awfully likely with the WG enchantment theme. No Quirion Ranger, then.
I just don't see them putting both Wirewood Symbiote and Quirion Ranger in the same set; also, the Elves archetype is black-green, so the Ranger is a less synergistic inclusion than it would be in a mono-green archetype.
Perhaps I shouldn't have been so unequivocal though; any of the following could potentially be logical inclusions depending on how you look at it, with varying levels of likelihood, of course:
Oath of Druids (doubt it since Natural Order has a similar effect and is already in the set)
Oracle of Mul Daya (EDH playable but not much else; also relatively modern)
Priest of Titania (ELVES! Not sure how I overlooked this, although I'm not sure if this would be nearly as applicable in limited since the archetype doesn't seem to be 'elf combo')
Quirion Dryad (Unlikely, but would nonetheless play well with what I'm assuming are going to be a lot of cheap instants/sorceries in both blue and red)
Reverent Silence (Already a couple of free spells in Daze and Force of Will; this format is going to need enchantment hate--especially since we know one of the archetypes is going to be "enchantments")
Roar of the Wurm (actually, would not be a bad include in a threshold/flashback deck)
Sakura-Tribe Elder (see above; also, this is just speculation, but I could see red-green being a ramp-style aggro deck so this would fit into that as well)
Seedborn Muse (flat out busted and a reprint wouldn't hurt considering how expensive this is for a card that has been printed three times and only sees play in EDH)
Silhana Ledgewalker (if the enchantment strategy is a 'voltron' type strategy, this slots in as a great base creature; also, it's an elf)
Skyshroud Claim (not likely, but an EDH staple)
Spike Feeder and Spike Weaver (again, not likely, but awesome cards in their own right)
I could also see the other green mythic being something less emphatic than Berserk; if I had to guess I'd go with Avenger of Zendikar, Cratherhoof Behemoth, or another big, splashy green creature that doesn't necessarily have a ton of financial value; there are already several massive money mythics between Force of Will, Jace, the Mind Sculptor, Karakas and Mana Crypt as well as some mid-level mythics like Vampiric Tutor, Sneak Attack, Dack Fayden, and Natural Order... pretty much the only "bad" mythics thus far are Balance and Worldgorger Dragon, and to a lesser extent Chrome Mox and Necropotence.
Not only that, but I'd lay money on it being the DD:SvC / FtV20 art. First time Impulse would ever be available as a pack foil (it's only ever had FtV and FNM Promo copies).
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And we would like to follow Ancient Tomb and see if that ever gets squeezed out.
Karakas-Misha's is closed. Squeezed out: Minamo School at Water's Edge, Lavaclaw Reaches, Khalni Garden, Kor Haven, Mikokoro Center of the Sea, Miren the Moaning Well (related cycles?) anything else good?
Mirage et al, but yes, I want to second this. Perhaps even Worldly Tutor in italics as it seems likely.
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It's already been revealed that there are going to be 15 mythics in this set; so far all but two have been revealed, and only one each of the white and green mythics have been revealed. Unless Rishadan Port is a rare, it's not in Eternal Masters. I don't see how they could print it as anything but a mythic; otherwise it's basically showing up in every other draft, and nobody likes getting Stone Rained every turn.
Well, they could fool us all and print Sylvan Tutor instead.
But I'd have thought we'd have seen Personal Tutor as well if they were heading down that route.
And then they'd have probably worn it for not reprinting Grim Tutor / Imperial Seal... slippery slope there...
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For instance--and this is assuming that #78 Animate Dead is the first black card, which is not an unfair assumption--there are only 77 slots for blue and white combined, meaning that one color (I'm going to go ahead and guess white for the sake of argument because nothing after Wrath of God is remotely worthy of being in this set, but then again who knows) is getting 38 cards while the other is getting 39. Do you think that Wizards is offsetting this the way one would build a "cube"--i.e. by including cards in the land/artifact slots that only work with that color?
The most glaring example of this I can think of is Wirewood Lodge, which I am CONVINCED is going to be the 249th card in this set because of the "elves" archetype. Even assuming that only white or blue loses one card, that puts green's last card at 194. Could it be possible that some of the following are in the set--Cephalid Coliseum, Vedalken Shackles, Barbarian Ring, or Cabal Coffers--and that they count as cards of their respective colors for this purpose (i.e. Wirewood Symbiote at 192 is actually the last mono-colored card in the set--the only things I see that come after that would be worth printing would be Woodfall Primus,Wren's Run Vanquisher, Yavimaya Elder and Xantid Swarm, and none of those really NEED to be in this set)?
Independent of that, do you think any of the cards I listed above--i.e. Coffers, Coliseum--might make their way into the set anyway?
It was at rare in Masters Edition 3 online.
And if they print it with that Judge Promo art, I think I might explode.
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Literally one of the first threads on the first page after the stickied threads.
I'd prefer if they left it out entirely, but if they do print it hopefully it's just at standard rare; Balance was already kind of a dud include at mythic for white, but then again white just doesn't seem to have many big, splashy spells that aren't simple board wipes like the other 4 colors seem to.
The biggest issue for me is that Land Tax has absolutely ZERO application in limited--it's really disappointing to open in draft because you're then faced with the choice of value drafting it first pick or passing it to take a card that you can actually use. I think I'd maybe rather see a creature like Stoneforge Mystic, Baneslayer Angel or Linvala, Keeper of Silence in that last mythic slot.
Cavern Harpy is part of a tier 2-3 Legacy deck that actually see's play. Alluren. So I fully expect cavern Harpy to be in this set.