As someone who doesn't own planes chase or know much about it other then my edh friends saying they never want to play it, what's the justification on the price tag exactly? Are there over 500 cards? Are they made of something special? Is this on some special mahogany wood board game?
The price tag is the one thing I find (somewhat) unjustified here. It is too restrictive on players, especially those who play solely casual games. $150 is too high for a beginning purchase into this variant...
The logistics for your consideration, however, are as follows (presumably):
86 oversized Plane and Phenomena cards (think the size of 2 standard untapped magic cards next to each other)
4 decks from the Planechase 2012 release (240 cards total, standard size)
And I'd assume 4 planar dice as well
This, older and promo planes notwithstanding, would total around $120. Add to this the 40 planes from the 2009 release as well as Tazeem (the release promo) the 4 promos from the WPN promotion, and Stairs to Infinity (pretty sure that's what the 2012 release promo was called?), and you do have a product worth at least $150.
However, as I mentioned, this is too restrictive for newer players. Playgroups should be on this like flies on filth, but only if 4 players are all up for shelling out nearly $40 apiece to each own one of the 2012 decks and share the planes, phenoms, and possibly the dice if there aren't actually 4 included.
I mean, the 2012 decks weren't bad, but they weren't particularly notable either save for the newer cards that came in the release.
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As a slight aside, Keramory, Planechase is REALLY fun. it adds a layer of complexity and randomness to the games it's in, and while occasionally it may break things, it also makes things interesting. At the least, it's vastly more fun than Archenemy, where you have to figure out logistical things before you even figure out who the big bad is going to be (considering that the normal rulings on Archenemy stats is a bit too skewed in one way or another, it's a bit of a nightmare to get working), but with Archenemy it improves on that aspect too!
I would suggest you try it and see for yourself. If you aren't a fan, then maybe this isn't the release for you. But if you do like it, disregard what your playgroup thinks and get some of that going (perhaps with other people additionally - we often have more than one playgroup, I find)!
Hold the fudge up- These don't even have all of the planechase decks in there? I was not thrilled even when I thought it was all of them. It would actually be killer value if it had all the decks. This ain't no anthology though...
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I've already commented on this thread that I have never played Planechase but want to, and I tolerate the $150 price tag. I was nervous about the oversized cards being unsleeved but Ultrapro has a cheap product available (whew)
It is ******* hysterical to me that all the replies in this thread are *****ing about the price. Do you know what this stuff goes for? A set of just the 40 planes from 2012 routinely sells for $80 on ebay. Add the 4 decks from 2012 and it's over $200. The set of JUST the 86 planes is $175 and out of stock on SCG with no copies having been sold on ebay in the past several months, meaning they are genuinely hard to find.
Maybe we can do what, like 3 minutes of research before automatically complaining about everything?
What does the secondary market have anything to do with making this product $50 more than it really should be? That's the same line of thinking that gives us $10 packs. An anthology is a collection of past releases, so why does this only include one year of decks? The only anthology part of this is the planechase cards themselves, and even then they could have released it separately. The 4 decks would only run $120 normally (when they were released), so why is the other 40 plane cards you would get from 2009 and the few promos suddenly worth another $30 when that was the cost of one the decks normally. For what we are getting this should be no more than $100. It doesn't make sense to make this that expensive. At $150 having all 8 decks and all planes would have been perfect, especially since the last anthology we got 8 decks for $100 the only new thing is a deck of ~80 oversized planes cards. Not to mention getting some more reprints out there of the cards from PC 2009.
I'm having a hard time understanding why they stopped short of making this a perfect product. Including all 80+6 plane cards is fantastic. The bonus material is welcome. But why include just 4 of the decks?.. and why the 2012 decks? Failing to see the logic with that decision.
That being said, I will pick this up and be happy with it, but man, it could have been perfect!
My main problem with it is... I find the decks so utterly boring. If I could get just the 86 Planes in a handy bundle for a reasonable price I would buy this in a heartbeat.
Night of the Ninja is the only one I am even remotely interested in... And they are the reason for a price inflation...
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My main problem with it is... I find the decks so utterly boring. If I could get just the 86 Planes in a handy bundle for a reasonable price I would buy this in a heartbeat.
I concur - $100 for the set of 86 planes seems like the right price point to get people interested. I have a friend who moved to another state, and she LOVED playing Planechase. I want to get this for her, but at $150 it's a bit out of my budget.
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As someone who missed both releases of planechase I'm probably going to get this. I just hope that the deck boxes are actually useable rather than the laughably thin cardboard ones included in the Duel Decks Anthology release. I ripped about half of the deck boxes included in the Duel Decks release when opening them for the first time to remove the decks inside.
Here is the way I look at he pricing of this. Inevitably the cost of products like commander decks and such have gone up in the last 4-5 years, so instead of costing the original $20 per deck, they would likely cost $25 if printed new now (I'll use the $5 increase in the cost of commander decks in the same amount of time as reference for this.) So, with that in mind, we look at what we get. We have the full 4 decks/planes/phenomenon from the 2012 planechase release, which at what would likely be the current cost of such a product would be $100 for the deck set at msrp. From there you also not only have the 40 planechase planes from the 2009 planechase set, but you also have all 6 promo planes (including the very popular and from what I can gather, more rare, Tazeem plane card.) I would say fair value on solely the planes from such product releases (as they were the main point of the product releases in the first place) would be at least 1/2 of the adjusted msrp as mentioned above. So that would cover at least the additional $50 being asked for this product putting the fair msrp of this product at $150, which is what they are charging.
So looking from the perspective of fair MSRP value, I will say the $150 price is right in line with what I certainly feel would logically look at as being fair for this product. (And that's ignoring the fact that the current secondary market value for all of what comes in this together is at least $250....) So yeah, I don't see a problem with them choosing $150 as the price for the product.
That said however, I can see how $150 would be a bit much for most people to drop on such a product all at once, but this is also a product that is not going to appeal to everyone as well, and with it being a limited release, I imagine there will be plenty enough people who would want it and who would find the msrp of $150 as being reasonable that they shouldn't really be sitting around in shops for terribly long after release, especially with Christmas coming soon after, and hey, there you go, makes a phenomenal Christmas Gift (also likely a part of the timing of the release and into the consideration of the demand pool for the product, etc at the $150 msrp price.
$150 is much for 2/3rds of a product though. $100 and its fine ish, $100 with all the decks and it sells out.
EDIT: There aren't any zombies in Planechase 2012. lol. Tokens then, I guess?
Took a look and this would give us the 3/3 green boar token and eldrazi spawn tokens with the <> mana symbol. Which weren't obtainable before this, so I guess that's something. Now if only we could get a 0/1 red kobold token and the 2/2 colorless Assembly Worker token, or practically all of the missed tokens from Commander 2013.
It is ******* hysterical to me that all the replies in this thread are *****ing about the price. Do you know what this stuff goes for? A set of just the 40 planes from 2012 routinely sells for $80 on ebay. Add the 4 decks from 2012 and it's over $200. The set of JUST the 86 planes is $175 and out of stock on SCG with no copies having been sold on ebay in the past several months, meaning they are genuinely hard to find.
Maybe we can do what, like 3 minutes of research before automatically complaining about everything?
Aftermarket value should not influence MSRP on new product.
It is ******* hysterical to me that all the replies in this thread are *****ing about the price. Do you know what this stuff goes for? A set of just the 40 planes from 2012 routinely sells for $80 on ebay. Add the 4 decks from 2012 and it's over $200. The set of JUST the 86 planes is $175 and out of stock on SCG with no copies having been sold on ebay in the past several months, meaning they are genuinely hard to find.
Maybe we can do what, like 3 minutes of research before automatically complaining about everything?
an inflated secondary market price for an out-of-print product doesn't (and never should) mean a brand new reprint of said product is marked up to a similarly inflated amount.
that's simply not how it works. Wizards does not directly engage with, nor price their products according to the secondary market. the fact that you find this hysterical is a bit weird.
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I agree with Jeebus, that being said I don't think his argument is that aftermarket prices justify the 150.00 price tag more than he is saying that the time and effort put into getting a hold of all the plane chase cards, including promos, would not be as convenient or as successful as one might think. While this product wraps it all up in a nice bundle. I for one will be getting it and I still have all of my 2012 plane chase stuff, but I missed out on 2009. Just my two cents.
It is ******* hysterical to me that all the replies in this thread are *****ing about the price. Do you know what this stuff goes for? A set of just the 40 planes from 2012 routinely sells for $80 on ebay. Add the 4 decks from 2012 and it's over $200. The set of JUST the 86 planes is $175 and out of stock on SCG with no copies having been sold on ebay in the past several months, meaning they are genuinely hard to find.
Maybe we can do what, like 3 minutes of research before automatically complaining about everything?
an inflated secondary market price for an out-of-print product doesn't (and never should) mean a brand new reprint of said product is marked up to a similarly inflated amount.
that's simply not how it works. Wizards does not directly engage with, nor price their products according to the secondary market. the fact that you find this hysterical is a bit weird.
Sure, and that's why Wizards are printing Eternal Master and Modern Master in unlimited quantities.
The card price in the secondary market does impacts how wizards deal with them to a certain extent.
It is ******* hysterical to me that all the replies in this thread are *****ing about the price. Do you know what this stuff goes for? A set of just the 40 planes from 2012 routinely sells for $80 on ebay. Add the 4 decks from 2012 and it's over $200. The set of JUST the 86 planes is $175 and out of stock on SCG with no copies having been sold on ebay in the past several months, meaning they are genuinely hard to find.
Maybe we can do what, like 3 minutes of research before automatically complaining about everything?
an inflated secondary market price for an out-of-print product doesn't (and never should) mean a brand new reprint of said product is marked up to a similarly inflated amount.
that's simply not how it works. Wizards does not directly engage with, nor price their products according to the secondary market. the fact that you find this hysterical is a bit weird.
Sure, and that's why Wizards are printing Eternal Master and Modern Master in unlimited quantities.
The card price in the secondary market does impacts how wizards deal with them to a certain extent.
i would hope that we'd all recognise that their policy on limited print runs for reprints/anthologies is more of a general blanket policy, due to the collectible nature of the game, and not wanting to erode people's trust or investment (mostly emotional but also financial) in the brand. it's also reflective of the niche audience that a subsidiary product like this commands. it's not the mainstream, it's for a particular player. limited print runs here make sense. their price tag however seems a bit overcooked, from my perspective, and regardless of how others may express their feelings on the matter, it's obvious that other people feel the same way.
specific card prices, like card-for-card $ value has nothing to do with the retail price of this product, or any other boxed product, for that matter. Modern Masters, for instance, wasn't bumped up a couple of dollars-per-booster just because of a card like 'goyf being reprinted. rather, they used the desirability of the card to gain consumer interest, and had decided on a price using more concrete market research. goyf may have helped to sell packs, but he didn't dictate the price of those packs.
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Cards like goyf allows them to set a higher MSRP in the first place. In that way, he DOES dictate the price of those packs. It's the same here. But since planechase guarantees you every single plane card in existence instead of randomizing, it is set higher. If Wizards print 2 random plane per pack the MSRP will also be a lot lower.
If you feel that the price is too high, then this product doesn't aim at you.I myself buy the planechase only for the plane. The deck itself is virtually worthless (except the 2012 one which contains new card, and they do include those here). I pay $160 for 80 plane and need to hunt down the other 6 myself, adding to the cost. $150 is a fine deal, and if I don't own planechase already I'll probably pay for it.
Cards like goyf allows them to set a higher MSRP in the first place. In that way, he DOES dictate the price of those packs. It's the same here. But since planechase guarantees you every single plane card in existence instead of randomizing, it is set higher. If Wizards print 2 random plane per pack the MSRP will also be a lot lower.
If you feel that the price is too high, then this product doesn't aim at you.I myself buy the planechase only for the plane. The deck itself is virtually worthless (except the 2012 one which contains new card, and they do include those here). I pay $160 for 80 plane and need to hunt down the other 6 myself, adding to the cost. $150 is a fine deal, and if I don't own planechase already I'll probably pay for it.
Except they gave us 480 cards with DD Anthology and that only cost $100 when here we are getting 326 and somehow it adds up to an extra $50. Even given the planes and their semi rarity, the format isn't all that popular so why make it more expensive when this could mean getting more people into this format and making future installments? For what we are getting there is no excuse for $150.
We are getting about 35% to 40% less than the last Anthology and yet it costs 50% more. How does that make sense? This is the same thing with MM2 compared to MM1 and how they charged more for MM2 even though it was far worse, in almost every way, than its predecessor.
Cards like goyf allows them to set a higher MSRP in the first place. In that way, he DOES dictate the price of those packs. It's the same here. But since planechase guarantees you every single plane card in existence instead of randomizing, it is set higher. If Wizards print 2 random plane per pack the MSRP will also be a lot lower.
If you feel that the price is too high, then this product doesn't aim at you.I myself buy the planechase only for the plane. The deck itself is virtually worthless (except the 2012 one which contains new card, and they do include those here). I pay $160 for 80 plane and need to hunt down the other 6 myself, adding to the cost. $150 is a fine deal, and if I don't own planechase already I'll probably pay for it.
Except they gave us 480 cards with DD Anthology and that only cost $100 when here we are getting 326 and somehow it adds up to an extra $50. Even given the planes and their semi rarity, the format isn't all that popular so why make it more expensive when this could mean getting more people into this format and making future installments? For what we are getting there is no excuse for $150.
We are getting about 35% to 40% less than the last Anthology and yet it costs 50% more. How does that make sense? This is the same thing with MM2 compared to MM1 and how they charged more for MM2 even though it was far worse, in almost every way, than its predecessor.
The number of total cards is irrelevant. The cards you get matter. Plane chase cards are expensive, therefore this set costs more. It's that simple. Don't like it? Don't buy it. There are plenty of people like me that have wanted Plane cards and will gladly pay to get all in one place while also getting other cards. This is a deal to me. It has been said over and over on this forum, not every set is for every person.
The price tag is the one thing I find (somewhat) unjustified here. It is too restrictive on players, especially those who play solely casual games. $150 is too high for a beginning purchase into this variant...
The logistics for your consideration, however, are as follows (presumably):
86 oversized Plane and Phenomena cards (think the size of 2 standard untapped magic cards next to each other)
4 decks from the Planechase 2012 release (240 cards total, standard size)
And I'd assume 4 planar dice as well
This, older and promo planes notwithstanding, would total around $120. Add to this the 40 planes from the 2009 release as well as Tazeem (the release promo) the 4 promos from the WPN promotion, and Stairs to Infinity (pretty sure that's what the 2012 release promo was called?), and you do have a product worth at least $150.
However, as I mentioned, this is too restrictive for newer players. Playgroups should be on this like flies on filth, but only if 4 players are all up for shelling out nearly $40 apiece to each own one of the 2012 decks and share the planes, phenoms, and possibly the dice if there aren't actually 4 included.
I mean, the 2012 decks weren't bad, but they weren't particularly notable either save for the newer cards that came in the release.
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As a slight aside, Keramory, Planechase is REALLY fun. it adds a layer of complexity and randomness to the games it's in, and while occasionally it may break things, it also makes things interesting. At the least, it's vastly more fun than Archenemy, where you have to figure out logistical things before you even figure out who the big bad is going to be (considering that the normal rulings on Archenemy stats is a bit too skewed in one way or another, it's a bit of a nightmare to get working), but with Archenemy it improves on that aspect too!
I would suggest you try it and see for yourself. If you aren't a fan, then maybe this isn't the release for you. But if you do like it, disregard what your playgroup thinks and get some of that going (perhaps with other people additionally - we often have more than one playgroup, I find)!
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I bought both the original set and the 2012 set, but lost a few Planar cards and never got the promos where I live.
Would be nice to get a new set, but I don't play paper anymore.
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What does the secondary market have anything to do with making this product $50 more than it really should be? That's the same line of thinking that gives us $10 packs. An anthology is a collection of past releases, so why does this only include one year of decks? The only anthology part of this is the planechase cards themselves, and even then they could have released it separately. The 4 decks would only run $120 normally (when they were released), so why is the other 40 plane cards you would get from 2009 and the few promos suddenly worth another $30 when that was the cost of one the decks normally. For what we are getting this should be no more than $100. It doesn't make sense to make this that expensive. At $150 having all 8 decks and all planes would have been perfect, especially since the last anthology we got 8 decks for $100 the only new thing is a deck of ~80 oversized planes cards. Not to mention getting some more reprints out there of the cards from PC 2009.
That being said, I will pick this up and be happy with it, but man, it could have been perfect!
Night of the Ninja is the only one I am even remotely interested in... And they are the reason for a price inflation...
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I concur - $100 for the set of 86 planes seems like the right price point to get people interested. I have a friend who moved to another state, and she LOVED playing Planechase. I want to get this for her, but at $150 it's a bit out of my budget.
$150 is much for 2/3rds of a product though. $100 and its fine ish, $100 with all the decks and it sells out.
EDIT: There aren't any zombies in Planechase 2012. lol. Tokens then, I guess?
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So looking from the perspective of fair MSRP value, I will say the $150 price is right in line with what I certainly feel would logically look at as being fair for this product. (And that's ignoring the fact that the current secondary market value for all of what comes in this together is at least $250....) So yeah, I don't see a problem with them choosing $150 as the price for the product.
That said however, I can see how $150 would be a bit much for most people to drop on such a product all at once, but this is also a product that is not going to appeal to everyone as well, and with it being a limited release, I imagine there will be plenty enough people who would want it and who would find the msrp of $150 as being reasonable that they shouldn't really be sitting around in shops for terribly long after release, especially with Christmas coming soon after, and hey, there you go, makes a phenomenal Christmas Gift (also likely a part of the timing of the release and into the consideration of the demand pool for the product, etc at the $150 msrp price.
Just some things to keep in mind anyway.
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Took a look and this would give us the 3/3 green boar token and eldrazi spawn tokens with the <> mana symbol. Which weren't obtainable before this, so I guess that's something. Now if only we could get a 0/1 red kobold token and the 2/2 colorless Assembly Worker token, or practically all of the missed tokens from Commander 2013.
Aftermarket value should not influence MSRP on new product.
an inflated secondary market price for an out-of-print product doesn't (and never should) mean a brand new reprint of said product is marked up to a similarly inflated amount.
that's simply not how it works. Wizards does not directly engage with, nor price their products according to the secondary market. the fact that you find this hysterical is a bit weird.
Sure, and that's why Wizards are printing Eternal Master and Modern Master in unlimited quantities.
The card price in the secondary market does impacts how wizards deal with them to a certain extent.
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i would hope that we'd all recognise that their policy on limited print runs for reprints/anthologies is more of a general blanket policy, due to the collectible nature of the game, and not wanting to erode people's trust or investment (mostly emotional but also financial) in the brand. it's also reflective of the niche audience that a subsidiary product like this commands. it's not the mainstream, it's for a particular player. limited print runs here make sense. their price tag however seems a bit overcooked, from my perspective, and regardless of how others may express their feelings on the matter, it's obvious that other people feel the same way.
specific card prices, like card-for-card $ value has nothing to do with the retail price of this product, or any other boxed product, for that matter. Modern Masters, for instance, wasn't bumped up a couple of dollars-per-booster just because of a card like 'goyf being reprinted. rather, they used the desirability of the card to gain consumer interest, and had decided on a price using more concrete market research. goyf may have helped to sell packs, but he didn't dictate the price of those packs.
If you feel that the price is too high, then this product doesn't aim at you.I myself buy the planechase only for the plane. The deck itself is virtually worthless (except the 2012 one which contains new card, and they do include those here). I pay $160 for 80 plane and need to hunt down the other 6 myself, adding to the cost. $150 is a fine deal, and if I don't own planechase already I'll probably pay for it.
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Except they gave us 480 cards with DD Anthology and that only cost $100 when here we are getting 326 and somehow it adds up to an extra $50. Even given the planes and their semi rarity, the format isn't all that popular so why make it more expensive when this could mean getting more people into this format and making future installments? For what we are getting there is no excuse for $150.
We are getting about 35% to 40% less than the last Anthology and yet it costs 50% more. How does that make sense? This is the same thing with MM2 compared to MM1 and how they charged more for MM2 even though it was far worse, in almost every way, than its predecessor.
The number of total cards is irrelevant. The cards you get matter. Plane chase cards are expensive, therefore this set costs more. It's that simple. Don't like it? Don't buy it. There are plenty of people like me that have wanted Plane cards and will gladly pay to get all in one place while also getting other cards. This is a deal to me. It has been said over and over on this forum, not every set is for every person.
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